L&L Gaslighting comment

[GlitterUK]

Interesting how quickly that word was shut down by Will on L&L.

[Adamw92]

Because it’s not gaslighting :shrug:

[Black Dagger]

Because it’s a played out ridiculous word. It’s the newest buzzword going and nobody can validate it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It is gaslighting but they know that it opens up trouble

Advertising does not look fondly on bullying coercive behaviour

I'd imagine BB will have a private word with Ali that we will not see....

[Lostie!]

That word is used almost exclusively by people who don't actually know what it means these days

[GoldHeart]

Because it’s not gaslighting :shrug:

Actually it is

[Niamh.]

It actually isn't gaslighting. Gaslighting is when a person tries to make you feel like you are going crazy for things that are actually happening but they convince you are not and your mad for thinking it. That isn't what's happening here, you could say Ali picks on Khaled and doesn't like him but she's not gaslighting him

It would be gaslighting if Ali went around and told everyone that Khaled was fake, and maybe even said to his face he was fake. Then the next day when he went to talk to her about it she denied ever saying him and told him he's mental,he must have imagined that. And she started doing that regularly

[Crimson Dynamo]

It actually isn't gaslighting. Gaslighting is when a person tries to make you feel like you are going crazy for things that are actually happening but they convince you are not and your mad for thinking it. That isn't what's happening here, you could say Ali picks on Khaled and doesn't like him but she's not gaslighting him

It is if she keeps accusing him falsely of things he has done and that is EXACTLY what she has done

more times than I can recall he is confused and looking at her with a "EH, WHAT, NO I DIDNT" look on his face


Yesterday when he quite rightly said "now can you understand how hard it was for me to make decisions as HoH? she cut him off and said "why make this about me"??

ignoring the fact she was HOH and had just made a tough decision (one that led her to tears later)

[Ammi]

It actually isn't gaslighting. Gaslighting is when a person tries to make you feel like you are going crazy for things that are actually happening but they convince you are not and your mad for thinking it. That isn't what's happening here, you could say Ali picks on Khaled and doesn't like him but she's not gaslighting him

…yeah, there’s no gas-lighting…I feel that gas-lighting has become one of those new buzz word expressions that’s just thrown out as a label…and that’s also how things begin to lose their meaning because it all becomes overused…Ali seems to have controlling aspects to her character and can try to manipulate to gain that control in situations and then close others down as a response…I mean, conversations are easy to have in exactly the way you’d like them if you’re the only one speaking, aren’t they…?…:laugh:…but it’s not gaslighting…that’s another fish entirely…

[bots]

Khaled uses well worn figures of speech, probably because english is not his first language and Ali shoots him down because he uses them where, if you are pedantic, they are not entirely accurate. That's actually what this is really all about. Ali is using his lack of grammar against him. Rather than understanding the gist of what he is getting at, she attacks him for his less than perfect english

[Crimson Dynamo]

Khaled uses well worn figures of speech, probably because english is not his first language and Ali shoots him down because he uses them where, if you are pedantic, they are not entirely accurate. That's actually what this is really all about. Ali is using his lack of grammar against him. Rather than understanding the gist of what he is getting at, she attacks him for his less than perfect english

inverted racism?

[Niamh.]

It is if she keeps accusing him falsely of things he has done and that is EXACTLY what she has done



more times than I can recall he is confused and looking at her with a "EH, WHAT, NO I DIDNT" look on his face





Yesterday when he quite rightly said "now can you understand how hard it was for me to make decisions as HoH? she cut him off and said "why make this about me"??



ignoring the fact she was HOH and had just made a tough decision (one that led her to tears later)None of that is gas lighting

[Lostie!]

None of that is gas lighting

It's a term most people only discovered a few years ago and even since then everyone just insists on applying it everywhere because it sounds smart

[Niamh.]

It's a term most people only discovered a few years ago and even since then everyone just insists on applying it everywhere because it sounds smart

Yeah, like it really mostly only applies in emotionally abusive marriages/relationships

[bots]

there is a lot of gaslighting going on in this thread :nono:

[Niamh.]

there is a lot of gaslighting going on in this thread :nono:

No there isn't, you're crazy bots :eyes:

[Adamw92]

It actually isn't gaslighting. Gaslighting is when a person tries to make you feel like you are going crazy for things that are actually happening but they convince you are not and your mad for thinking it. That isn't what's happening here, you could say Ali picks on Khaled and doesn't like him but she's not gaslighting him

It would be gaslighting if Ali went around and told everyone that Khaled was fake, and maybe even said to his face he was fake. Then the next day when he went to talk to her about it she denied ever saying him and told him he's mental,he must have imagined that. And she started doing that regularly

The voice of reason even if you aren’t a fan of her, thank you Niamh :love:

[GoldHeart]

None of that is gas lighting

She's deliberately trying to argue with him and falsely accuse him of things he hasn't done . She's very cold & manipulative. If it's not gas lighting what is it ? ?.

Her actions and behaviour is all to trigger Khaled into thinking he's the bad person. The way she's telling him not to talk to her and how they'll go their separate ways as she tells him he's performing for the cameras,whilst being very aware of the camera's herself. We can agree she's hypocritical and calculating surely ? .

[Crimson Dynamo]

there is a lot of gaslighting going on in this thread :nono:

amen bruv

[Niamh.]

She's deliberately trying to argue with him and falsely accuse him of things he hasn't done . She's very cold & manipulative. If it's not gas lighting what is it ? ?.

Her actions and behaviour is all to trigger Khaled into thinking he's the bad person. The way she's telling him not to talk to her and how they'll go their separate ways as she tells him he's performing for the cameras,whilst being very aware of the camera's herself. We can agree she's hypocritical and calculating surely ? .

I agree she's calculating and hypocritical definitely but what she's doing isn't gaslighting :laugh:

[ThomasC]

It actually isn't gaslighting. Gaslighting is when a person tries to make you feel like you are going crazy for things that are actually happening but they convince you are not and your mad for thinking it. That isn't what's happening here, you could say Ali picks on Khaled and doesn't like him but she's not gaslighting him

It would be gaslighting if Ali went around and told everyone that Khaled was fake, and maybe even said to his face he was fake. Then the next day when he went to talk to her about it she denied ever saying him and told him he's mental,he must have imagined that. And she started doing that regularly

Agreed, it's the same type of people who say she is a bully

It's not persistent, they actually made up and we saw bridges being built which were then burned when he said she was point scoring. Had he waited until next day it probably wouldn't have had same reaction

[GoldHeart]

I agree she's calculating and hypocritical definitely but what she's doing isn't gaslighting :laugh:

She has a way of turning a whole conversation into a full blown row, she's actually quite dangerous in how she conducts herself. At this rate Khaled will be some evil monster , she's already lying and putting words into his mouth...and actually mimicked him and said he went " ha ha " , he never laughed at her being HOH :shocked: . Alot of what she's doing is projection aswell ,and she needs a mirror