I feel social media are trying to hard to create “villains”

[Black Dagger]

I can understand people finding Ali’s behaviour questionable but I’m seeing people calling her an evil racist and then I’m also seeing so many harsh comments about Khaled as well and like… I think people are just feeling they need to have a “baddie” on the show and I’m very much a “woke snowflake” but I think any slight behaviour gets picked up on in this era.

Nobody has really been that horrendous for me on ITV.

I’d have loved to see some of these new viewers put up with proper bastards like Helen Wood (who I liked) or some of the horrendous C4 housemates who were just absolutely nasty.

I think over the 3 series we’ve had on ITV they’ve been tame in comparison.

[GlitterUK]

Racist? That is the first I have seen that word used...Where are you seeing it used?

[Black Dagger]

Racist? That is the first I have seen that word used...Where are you seeing it used?

I’ve seen so many people calling her racist on Twitter. Didn’t specifically say on just here!

[Adamw92]

Racist? That is the first I have seen that word used...Where are you seeing it used?

It’s literally been said on this forum tonight.

[GlitterUK]

Ok will have a look on there and see.

[ThomasC]

And welcome to the hateful side of social media.

People are truly rotten human beings.

Ali hasn't done anything really that bad. People forget it's an entertainment show, a pressure cooker and it's OK to not get along with someone

Glass houses and stones springs to mind

I am truly disgusted by some people, without derailing just look at Liam Payne, Caroline Flack

[GlitterUK]

It’s literally been said on this forum tonight.

I haven't seen it yet will have a look.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I'd just steer clear of X and FB if I were you

[Adamw92]

I haven't seen it yet will have a look.

Look in the episode discussion thread, can’t remember the exact page but it was in there I believe.

[Black Dagger]

I'd just steer clear of X and FB if I were you

Both are very toxic!

[GoldGlitter]

Don't use social media it's bad for your mental health. They can't stand that a gay woman is successful in life and wanna drag her down. It's ok for straight housemates to express their opinions and not be portrayed as the villain.

[Garfie]

I can understand people finding Ali’s behaviour questionable but I’m seeing people calling her an evil racist and then I’m also seeing so many harsh comments about Khaled as well and like… I think people are just feeling they need to have a “baddie” on the show and I’m very much a “woke snowflake” but I think any slight behaviour gets picked up on in this era.

Nobody has really been that horrendous for me on ITV.

I’d have loved to see some of these new viewers put up with proper bastards like Helen Wood (who I liked) or some of the horrendous C4 housemates who were just absolutely nasty.

I think over the 3 series we’ve had on ITV they’ve been tame in comparison.

I agree with you here, but I think that always happens. The audience of shows like BB can often forget to step back and observe housemates as complete, complex and flawed individuals, and instead reduce them to a number of traits.

I think both producers and the public have a tendency, and a preference, in fact, to assign ‘roles’ and labels to housemates, and then judge all future behaviour according to that label. The narrative generally then becomes quite a simplistic story of heroes and villains,

[Benjamin]

I wouldn’t say Ali is racist. I also wouldn’t say she hates men. She’s just seems to have a lot of negativity about people which she always needs to vocalise

[GlitterUK]

I don't think she is racist but she does have men issues imo.
Had a quick look on twitter also.

I agree BB like tio pick who the chosen ones are at the start and who they want to go far. They encourage the baddies also so they can build people up then chop them down the next week for entertainment purposes.

[Maru]

Feel free to skip... People do not actually believe most of what they write on social and are merely followers. Most of what gets written is for attention and to stay connected to the main thread of discussions for those sites. So if that person is not getting enough clicks or feels excluded, they shift the discussion further and further away from the edge than what they would normally believe that feeds into other missed needs. Because everyone does that at the same time in unison, it lends itself to an increasingly hostile environment in the long run and thus the edgier content begins to thrive and track more often... not making it a very fun experience overall.

Of course actual edge cases (or headcases) grab onto this and it helps them to feel validated in whatever crazy views they've always held. The ones that really understand the platforms and how they function get to capitalize and people are being manipulated constantly to accept whatever nonsense views they spew as "mainstream"... I really recommend to spend as little time scrolling such feeds (outside of curious sleuthing) if you're a generally reasonable person.

Algorithms are effective because they're addictive. When you have Americans trending because they're getting piss mad over something the Royals did/didn't do and non-Americans are following US elections so closely they can practically predict emerging talking points just by gut feel, it's frightening. That just shows how easy it is to manipulate people into changing their behavior and thinking by just having them follow a concept... and note whatever it is about, no matter how minor, how tiny, it somehow must connect to some much larger (translation: more relevant) puzzle that must be solved... like it's the biggest deal in that micro world...

Most every new site/forum/community that becomes stupid popular follows this lifecycle and this is why... eventually the users who fish for engagement milk the content until there's nothing to milk, then the life cycle for organic discussion suffers. It becomes a self-fulfilling process after a while... Social media is the "cure" to lack of content since it's seemingly never ending. It's actually better when a site isn't so popular anymore because it's not the most convenient feeding ground for the elusive clout and thus maintains a little bit of its original shine without being completely consumed by modern internet culture.


On topic: Ali is not a racist. There's other more prominent traits we can pick out and fuss over. This is not one of them. I think if she's off the show, she's probably not so overbearing and we see a milder side. But that is the appeal of the show, seeing these shifts in character. Some people take it way too seriously, but I doubt they mean even a small percentage of the tripe they're posting. Challenge them in person and most will crumble.

[Garfie]

And welcome to the hateful side of social media.

People are truly rotten human beings.

Ali hasn't done anything really that bad. People forget it's an entertainment show, a pressure cooker and it's OK to not get along with someone

Glass houses and stones springs to mind

I am truly disgusted by some people, without derailing just look at Liam Payne, Caroline Flack

This is true. Unfortunately, when people put themselves in a very public setting, like the BB house, in which the aim is to be more popular than others in order to win a game, they will inevitably gain both very positive and very negative feedback.

However, in this day and age, I can’t imagine that anyone who chooses to put themselves on national television isn’t aware of social media and how it operates. Sadly, it is inevitable that they will be judged, and that there will be comments out there about them that they won’t like.

The reality is that they go in with their eyes open, and must make the choice to either ignore social media, or to dismiss and disregard any hateful comments. If they don’t feel they can do that, they are probably making a bad choice in participating. I think contestants on these shows need to share the responsibility for what happens to them afterwards, as they go in knowing the risks.

[jamiewordsley]

Even the worse of the worse Helen wood didnt get this much hate. !!

[BBXX]

Yes, the hate against Ali is ridiculous. Also some of it I find rooted it homophobia, such as dismissing her sexuality and mocking her for using pronouns. It's sad really.

[Mystic Mock]

I can understand people finding Ali’s behaviour questionable but I’m seeing people calling her an evil racist and then I’m also seeing so many harsh comments about Khaled as well and like… I think people are just feeling they need to have a “baddie” on the show and I’m very much a “woke snowflake” but I think any slight behaviour gets picked up on in this era.

Nobody has really been that horrendous for me on ITV.

I’d have loved to see some of these new viewers put up with proper bastards like Helen Wood (who I liked) or some of the horrendous C4 housemates who were just absolutely nasty.

I think over the 3 series we’ve had on ITV they’ve been tame in comparison.

I agree with you Black Dagger.

Nobody in this series have been irredeemable imo.

The public always get like this though, and I know that I have very much been guilty of it myself in the past tbf.

[Mystic Mock]

And welcome to the hateful side of social media.

People are truly rotten human beings.

Ali hasn't done anything really that bad. People forget it's an entertainment show, a pressure cooker and it's OK to not get along with someone

Glass houses and stones springs to mind

I am truly disgusted by some people, without derailing just look at Liam Payne, Caroline Flack

The irony is that these people don't realize that they are just as bad (in some cases worse) than the very people that they think so lowly of.

[Cherie]

Don't use social media it's bad for your mental health. They can't stand that a gay woman is successful in life and wanna drag her down. It's ok for straight housemates to express their opinions and not be portrayed as the villain.

eh Marcello and Emma say hello

[Mystic Mock]

Yes, the hate against Ali is ridiculous. Also some of it I find rooted it homophobia, such as dismissing her sexuality and mocking her for using pronouns. It's sad really.

I have noticed some Homophobia aimed at Ali on Social Media too.

I however do also think that the use of pronouns is something that I'm personally not keen on, don't get me wrong I won't lose sleep over it, but it's just a preference for people not to put pronouns in their bio.:laugh:

[BBXX]

I have noticed some Homophobia aimed at Ali on Social Media too.

I however do also think that the use of pronouns is something that I'm personally not keen on, don't get me wrong I won't lose sleep over it, but it's just a preference for people not to put pronouns in their bio.:laugh:

I am not a pronouns in bio person either but I saw someone on here call her a nutter for it, the same person who dismissed her sexuality.

[Mystic Mock]

I am not a pronouns in bio person either but I saw someone on here call her a nutter for it, the same person who dismissed her sexuality.

Yeah that member is wrong to say that imo.

I get that they don't have to like her for putting pronouns in her bio, or controversially I will defend their right to dismiss her sexuality (although I will heavily disagree with them on this part) but they have never truly seen a nutter if they think that Ali's pronouns makes her nuts.:joker:

[Ammi]

I can understand people finding Ali’s behaviour questionable but I’m seeing people calling her an evil racist and then I’m also seeing so many harsh comments about Khaled as well and like… I think people are just feeling they need to have a “baddie” on the show and I’m very much a “woke snowflake” but I think any slight behaviour gets picked up on in this era.

Nobody has really been that horrendous for me on ITV.

I’d have loved to see some of these new viewers put up with proper bastards like Helen Wood (who I liked) or some of the horrendous C4 housemates who were just absolutely nasty.

I think over the 3 series we’ve had on ITV they’ve been tame in comparison.


…yeah, I agree about the ‘villain’ thing, how easily that can be created…and it’s kind of like a rolling stone thing, isn’t it…and the beginning of that is BB themselves because they are the masters of what’s highlighted and context can at times be quite slanted to create that hero/villain thing…obviously there has been lots of discussion points with Ali and her actions and reactions and house behaviour…and that’s what we do, that’s always been our BB…but yeah, the labelling and ‘hate’ that can be directed at someone is really not good to see…and social media adds a huge weight that we didn’t have back in the day…

[ThomasC]

Don't use social media it's bad for your mental health. They can't stand that a gay woman is successful in life and wanna drag her down. It's ok for straight housemates to express their opinions and not be portrayed as the villain.

I don't think her sexuality has much to do with it

I agree with you here, but I think that always happens. The audience of shows like BB can often forget to step back and observe housemates as complete, complex and flawed individuals, and instead reduce them to a number of traits.

I think both producers and the public have a tendency, and a preference, in fact, to assign ‘roles’ and labels to housemates, and then judge all future behaviour according to that label. The narrative generally then becomes quite a simplistic story of heroes and villains,

I wouldn’t say Ali is racist. I also wouldn’t say she hates men. She’s just seems to have a lot of negativity about people which she always needs to vocalise

Feel free to skip... People do not actually believe most of what they write on social and are merely followers. Most of what gets written is for attention and to stay connected to the main thread of discussions for those sites. So if that person is not getting enough clicks or feels excluded, they shift the discussion further and further away from the edge than what they would normally believe that feeds into other missed needs. Because everyone does that at the same time in unison, it lends itself to an increasingly hostile environment in the long run and thus the edgier content begins to thrive and track more often... not making it a very fun experience overall.

Of course actual edge cases (or headcases) grab onto this and it helps them to feel validated in whatever crazy views they've always held. The ones that really understand the platforms and how they function get to capitalize and people are being manipulated constantly to accept whatever nonsense views they spew as "mainstream"... I really recommend to spend as little time scrolling such feeds (outside of curious sleuthing) if you're a generally reasonable person.

Algorithms are effective because they're addictive. When you have Americans trending because they're getting piss mad over something the Royals did/didn't do and non-Americans are following US elections so closely they can practically predict emerging talking points just by gut feel, it's frightening. That just shows how easy it is to manipulate people into changing their behavior and thinking by just having them follow a concept... and note whatever it is about, no matter how minor, how tiny, it somehow must connect to some much larger (translation: more relevant) puzzle that must be solved... like it's the biggest deal in that micro world...

Most every new site/forum/community that becomes stupid popular follows this lifecycle and this is why... eventually the users who fish for engagement milk the content until there's nothing to milk, then the life cycle for organic discussion suffers. It becomes a self-fulfilling process after a while... Social media is the "cure" to lack of content since it's seemingly never ending. It's actually better when a site isn't so popular anymore because it's not the most convenient feeding ground for the elusive clout and thus maintains a little bit of its original shine without being completely consumed by modern internet culture.


On topic: Ali is not a racist. There's other more prominent traits we can pick out and fuss over. This is not one of them. I think if she's off the show, she's probably not so overbearing and we see a milder side. But that is the appeal of the show, seeing these shifts in character. Some people take it way too seriously, but I doubt they mean even a small percentage of the tripe they're posting. Challenge them in person and most will crumble.

Well thought out post. I agree with a lot of it

The irony is that these people don't realize that they are just as bad (in some cases worse) than the very people that they think so lowly of.

Yeah exactly, it's deflecting. We love to judge others without taking a look at ourselves first

[Zizu]

And welcome to the hateful side of social media.

People are truly rotten human beings.

Ali hasn't done anything really that bad. People forget it's an entertainment show, a pressure cooker and it's OK to not get along with someone

Glass houses and stones springs to mind

I am truly disgusted by some people, without derailing just look at Liam Payne, Caroline Flack


I’ve been so concerned with Ali’s wellbeing after the show when she’s informed of all the hate directed at her that I raised the matter on this very forum a few days ago.

I stopped watching the show after last Friday’s eviction program as I was getting stressed seeing her so ill at ease and unhappy ( hiding her true feelings) .

[Zizu]

I agree with you here, but I think that always happens. The audience of shows like BB can often forget to step back and observe housemates as complete, complex and flawed individuals, and instead reduce them to a number of traits.

I think both producers and the public have a tendency, and a preference, in fact, to assign ‘roles’ and labels to housemates, and then judge all future behaviour according to that label. The narrative generally then becomes quite a simplistic story of heroes and villains,


So true


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[Zizu]

Yes, the hate against Ali is ridiculous. Also some of it I find rooted it homophobia, such as dismissing her sexuality and mocking her for using pronouns. It's sad really.


Most of the hate can be found in this very forum although its just a handful of people who relentlessly post negative comments about her each and every post day after day


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[ThomasC]

I’ve been so concerned with Ali’s wellbeing after the show when she’s informed of all the hate directed at her that I raised the matter on this very forum a few days ago.

I stopped watching the show after last Friday’s eviction program as I was getting stressed seeing her so ill at ease and unhappy ( hiding her true feelings) .

Awh, that's a shame.

I know you have tried to support her massively, but people will be people.

I do tend to go against the grain with people, especially when there's so much hate directed towards them.

[Zizu]

Awh, that's a shame.

I know you have tried to support her massively, but people will be people.

I do tend to go against the grain with people, especially when there's so much hate directed towards them.


The best thing that could happen imho is for Ali to put her mental well-being first and walk out the back way .. it would also give the producers something to think about as they would be losing their most IMPORTANT character … and viewers

It was a poor decision to go into the house in the first place imho


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[ThomasC]

The best thing that could happen imho is for Ali to put her mental well-being first and walk out the back way .. it would also give the producers something to think about as they would be losing their most IMPORTANT character … and viewers

It was a poor decision to go into the house in the first place imho


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I don't want her to leave, but I'm probably thinking selfishly there.

The show wouldn't be half as good without her. I wonder what we would watch

[Zizu]

I don't want her to leave, but I'm probably thinking selfishly there.

The show wouldn't be half as good without her. I wonder what we would watch


It needs someone prominent to quit to remind the production team that they have a duty of care ..


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[FromBB8]

I don't want her to leave, but I'm probably thinking selfishly there.

The show wouldn't be half as good without her. I wonder what we would watch

I have to admit, I'm not finding Ali's interactions entertaining now, so I'm more intrigued than worried about what the show would focus on next should she leave.

There does seem to be a binary thing too which I am guilty of - for example, like Ali, really dislike Khaled/Marcello and vice versa. I haven't seen many, if any, who say they like at least two of them. I've seen some who don't really like any of them.

Saying that, it has got to the point where I'm struggling to see any redeeming features when it comes to Ali as a Housemate. As I said, ithe situation is becoming difficult, rather than entertaining, for me to watch now.

[Niamh.]

Racist? That is the first I have seen that word used...Where are you seeing it used?Tbf I have seen people on here say she didn't like Khaled because he was Muslim which I don't agree with st all

[Zizu]

I have to admit, I'm not finding Ali's interactions entertaining now, so I'm more intrigued than worried about what the show would focus on next should she leave.

There does seem to be a binary thing too which I am guilty of - for example, like Ali, really dislike Khaled/Marcello and vice versa. I haven't seen many, if any, who say they like at least two of them. I've seen some who don't really like any of them.

Saying that, it has got to the point where I'm struggling to see any redeeming features when it comes to Ali as a Housemate. As I said, ithe situation is becoming difficult, rather than entertaining, for me to watch now.


Given everything we know of Ali and what we’ve seen .. I feel certain that she is positively hating her time in there and I would be amazed if her girlfriend and family are not in discussions with the production team as regards getting Ali out of this worrying situation .

Ultimately Ali will have the final decision but she’s maybe not the best person to decide


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[Mystic Mock]

Awh, that's a shame.

I know you have tried to support her massively, but people will be people.

I do tend to go against the grain with people, especially when there's so much hate directed towards them.

I'm similar tbh.

It's why I've even tried being more supportive of Marcello recently, because some people have taken their dislike of him too far imo.

[Crimson Dynamo]

:laugh:

Zizu putting down the safety net if she walks so he can say

"well I told you"

[Zizu]

:laugh:

Zizu putting down the safety net if she walks so he can say

"well I told you"


I predicted it last week .
I have no idea how she is coping in there ..

Just shows that she is indeed a strong woman


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[GlitterUK]

I think it terms of the production team etc it wouldn't surprise me if they don't have things in place - we just don't get to see them. Given what has happened on other shows and just in general in terms of the limelight etc people themselves have seen what can happen. How people can be edited to look a certain way. How things are 24 hours and only go into 1 hour ish of main show. That is the risk people take and should be made well aware of before even signing up to these type of shows.

Even if they had basic 5 minute daily chats with each of them:
1- How are you feeling today?
2- Do you have any concerns?
3- Do you wish to continue your time on the show?

It will more likely be when the crowd is heard - cheers/boo's/mix of both or maybe the chants get x out. But that is a thing for every housemate in there.

Anyone who is smart will have a code with family to say that Auntie Dottie the 2nd has passed away so that is a clue to walk. Either for their own MH or cause they are being portayed in a way which doesn't reflect them.

I also think about Khaleds mental health and Marcellos as both have said they have felt down and Marcello said he has felt like crying.

[ThomasC]

I have to admit, I'm not finding Ali's interactions entertaining now, so I'm more intrigued than worried about what the show would focus on next should she leave.

There does seem to be a binary thing too which I am guilty of - for example, like Ali, really dislike Khaled/Marcello and vice versa. I haven't seen many, if any, who say they like at least two of them. I've seen some who don't really like any of them.

Saying that, it has got to the point where I'm struggling to see any redeeming features when it comes to Ali as a Housemate. As I said, ithe situation is becoming difficult, rather than entertaining, for me to watch now.

I'd question whether the show is for you then.

What exactly would we be watching if it wasn't for Ali?

[GoldHeart]

I’ve been so concerned with Ali’s wellbeing after the show when she’s informed of all the hate directed at her that I raised the matter on this very forum a few days ago.

I stopped watching the show after last Friday’s eviction program as I was getting stressed seeing her so ill at ease and unhappy ( hiding her true feelings) .

Well maybe other people feel stressed and uneasy, how do you think Khaled feels constantly picked on by her for just breathing .