Why Ali finds it so hard to handle Khaled

[vesavius]

It's his calmness.

Ali is used to having her ability to stay clinical and calm win arguments for her, clearly. Even if the other has a better more valid point, the winner will always be the one that manages to do so and everything that she says is a stone cold bullet intended to make the other angry and lose it.

But Khaled is some kind of zen master. I don't know how he does it, tbh.

He is far better at handling someone like Ali than me... I would have happily and loudly called her a ****ing bitch as she walked away from me like she did him, especially at his age :laugh::laugh:

[Niamh.]

Yeah, you might be on to something, i wish I was like that :laugh:

[GoldHeart]

No matter the tone or demeanor of Khaled he would still upset the red witch ,but you might have a point about it driving her nuts that he's so calm. So she's trying the tactic of " ohhh he's trying to be the nice guy " and blah blah.

But I guarantee if he raised his voice, actually got angry and confrontational , then she'd be calling him ' thug' , ' threatening ' & ' scary' . You know she'd be milking it more & pulling a Roxanne Pallet ,and ask BB to provide a safe space for her.

[Crimson Dynamo]

she is genuinely obsessed :worry:

Dean responds, “Hanah’s raging… because her two friends are up. If the shoe was on the other foot, this would not be happening.”

Ali says, “Should’ve just thrown them all to the wolves… Throw them all to me, I’m the wolf.”

Dean responds, “Yeah but, you’re [Hanah] making it a personal thing about, ‘oh cause they’re like my brothers’. Okay but they’re not.”

Ali says, “And I think maybe a little bit influenced by them to be honest.”

Dean says, “I massively think that cause she was fine yesterday.”

Ali continues, “A bit manipulated actually, so if she’s a pawn in anyone’s game, she’s a pawn in Khaled’s game cause she’s been manipulated to be on side.”

Dean says, “It’s a witch hunt Ali. It’s against you. They’re trying to take you down.” he simped

[FromBB8]

she is genuinely obsessed :worry:

Dean responds, “Hanah’s raging… because her two friends are up. If the shoe was on the other foot, this would not be happening.”

Ali says, “Should’ve just thrown them all to the wolves… Throw them all to me, I’m the wolf.”

Dean responds, “Yeah but, you’re [Hanah] making it a personal thing about, ‘oh cause they’re like my brothers’. Okay but they’re not.”

Ali says, “And I think maybe a little bit influenced by them to be honest.”

Dean says, “I massively think that cause she was fine yesterday.”

Ali continues, “A bit manipulated actually, so if she’s a pawn in anyone’s game, she’s a pawn in Khaled’s game cause she’s been manipulated to be on side.”

Dean says, “It’s a witch hunt Ali. It’s against you. They’re trying to take you down.” he simped

She cannot self-reflect. She's spent most of her time in the house trying to take Khaled down, but now it might be an issue he has decided to fight fire with fire?

[ThomasC]

It's his calmness.

Ali is used to having her ability to stay clinical and calm win arguments for her, clearly. Even if the other has a better more valid point, the winner will always be the one that manages to do so and everything that she says is a stone cold bullet intended to make the other angry and lose it.

But Khaled is some kind of zen master. I don't know how he does it, tbh.

He is far better at handling someone like Ali than me... I would have happily and loudly called her a ****ing bitch as she walked away from me like she did him, especially at his age :laugh::laugh:

Well if you need to resort to swearing you have lost the argument before it even begins.

I like Ali's quick way of dealing with confrontation. She says what she says and walks away. It's annoying when the same confrontation is repeated such as Daze and Nathan

It's refreshing for someone to just say, we don't get on, we don't like each other and that's fine.

[ThomasC]

she is genuinely obsessed :worry:

Dean responds, “Hanah’s raging… because her two friends are up. If the shoe was on the other foot, this would not be happening.”

Ali says, “Should’ve just thrown them all to the wolves… Throw them all to me, I’m the wolf.”

Dean responds, “Yeah but, you’re [Hanah] making it a personal thing about, ‘oh cause they’re like my brothers’. Okay but they’re not.”

Ali says, “And I think maybe a little bit influenced by them to be honest.”

Dean says, “I massively think that cause she was fine yesterday.”

Ali continues, “A bit manipulated actually, so if she’s a pawn in anyone’s game, she’s a pawn in Khaled’s game cause she’s been manipulated to be on side.”

Dean says, “It’s a witch hunt Ali. It’s against you. They’re trying to take you down.” he simped

They're spot on. They are trying to take her down. They said that themselves.

The difference is that it's 3 against 1

[GoldHeart]

Well if you need to resort to swearing you have lost the argument before it even begins.

I like Ali's quick way of dealing with confrontation. She says what she says and walks away. It's annoying when the same confrontation is repeated such as Daze and Nathan

It's refreshing for someone to just say, we don't get on, we don't like each other and that's fine.

She's ignorant & rude , she walked off and dismissed Khaled in mid conversation in the most patronising condescending way . If he did that to her ... she'd be so offended , the whole house wouldn't hear the end of it . Her passive aggressive nature is extremely ugly .

She causes all the drama & upset and then tries to play victim afterwards.

[ThomasC]

She's ignorant & rude , she walked off and dismissed Khaled in mid conversation in the most patronising condescending way . If he did that to her ... she'd be so offended , the whole house wouldn't hear the end of it . Her passive aggressive nature is extremely ugly .

She causes all the drama & upset and then tries to play victim afterwards.

Do you know what passive aggressive behaviour is?

She had it out with him 1:1, what is passive about that? She was to the point.

Khaled likes to resolve things, sometimes things won't be resolved and that is OK

[Crimson Dynamo]

She's ignorant & rude , she walked off and dismissed Khaled in mid conversation in the most patronising condescending way . If he did that to her ... she'd be so offended , the whole house wouldn't hear the end of it . Her passive aggressive nature is extremely ugly .

She causes all the drama & upset and then tries to play victim afterwards.

Yep

sad to see her unravel in such a public way

:sad:

[Zizu]

Yep

sad to see her unravel in such a public way

:sad:


Pathetic


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[FromBB8]

They're spot on. They are trying to take her down. They said that themselves.

The difference is that it's 3 against 1

Of course they are - because she's doing the same to them. She tried using Hanah as a pawn to save Lily, and has been targetting Khaled from the off. There was going to come a moment when the confrontation was going to widen.

The irony is, if Khaled had phrased it "It's really difficult, isn't it?", or if Ali had just replied, "Yeah, it was really difficult", none of this would be happening. They did seem to be getting on better at the end of last week and it feels like it has blown up over something really minor.

[GoldHeart]

Yep

sad to see her unravel in such a public way

:sad:

Maybe BB should book her into a therapy class as the patient.

[joeysteele]

Well if you need to resort to swearing you have lost the argument before it even begins.

I like Ali's quick way of dealing with confrontation. She says what she says and walks away. It's annoying when the same confrontation is repeated such as Daze and Nathan

It's refreshing for someone to just say, we don't get on, we don't like each other and that's fine.

This for me.
I agree.

He actually starts by saying a lot but then clams up after.
Seemingly having no comeback to what she says in the end.

[GoldHeart]

Of course they are - because she's doing the same to them. She tried using Hanah as a pawn to save Lily, and has been targetting Khaled from the off. There was going to come a moment when the confrontation was going to widen.

The irony is, if Khaled had phrased it "It's really difficult, isn't it?", or if Ali had just replied, "Yeah, it was really difficult", none of this would be happening. They did seem to be getting on better at the end of last week and it feels like it has blown up over something really minor.


Because everything Khaled says she likes to scrutinise into something big . red witch is the one turning it into one big argument .

[GlitterUK]

While Ali continues to walk away the issue will never be resolved. He keeps trying with her goodness knows why but it has zero effect because Ali doesn't want to move forward.
Khaled is a real credit to his family, he is calm, he is so tolerant and he is a really nice guy. If being fake and too nice is all she has then the game is already over. Khaled is a true gent and there isn't that many around on tv shows like this.

He is always willing to give that olive branch and put things to bed but she is so stubborn.

[Vanessa]

I love the way Khaled always stays calm.

[Liam-]

It’s because he’s fake as a £30 note and she deals with reality and fact

[FromBB8]

This for me.
I agree.

He actually starts by saying a lot but then clams up after.
Seemingly having no comeback to what she says in the end.

A bit hard to have a comeback when she doesn't allow him to say much before walking away.

[GoldHeart]

While Ali continues to walk away the issue will never be resolved. He keeps trying with her goodness knows why but it has zero effect because Ali doesn't want to move forward.
Khaled is a real credit to his family, he is calm, he is so tolerant and he is a really nice guy. If being fake and too nice is all she has then the game is already over. Khaled is a true gent and there isn't that many around on tv shows like this.

He is always willing to give that olive branch and put things to bed but she is so stubborn.


Marcello even told her that Khaled has said nothing bad about her ,and all she can do is still moan about how Khaled is " trying to look good" . She has such a unhealthy hatred for Khaled.

She can't take the fact that Khaled is decent and nice . Whilst she continues to be a miserable bitter person full of deep rooted
issues. If he had been slagging her off and acting loud and boisterous ,she would still hate it . So once again she can't stand Khaled simply just existing .

She's the only one going on about camera's and what the outside world will think . Why is she on BB :bored: .

[ThomasC]

While Ali continues to walk away the issue will never be resolved. He keeps trying with her goodness knows why but it has zero effect because Ali doesn't want to move forward.
Khaled is a real credit to his family, he is calm, he is so tolerant and he is a really nice guy. If being fake and too nice is all she has then the game is already over. Khaled is a true gent and there isn't that many around on tv shows like this.

He is always willing to give that olive branch and put things to bed but she is so stubborn.

What is wrong with not wanting to resolve something?

He's so willing to give olive branches he brings something up that was put to bed even though he was advised to wait until the next day

[joeysteele]

A bit hard to have a comeback when she doesn't allow him to say much before walking away.

He doesn't even try after she's tied him up in knots.
Probably because he has no relevant answers.

I don't dislike Khaled but I've always felt something not right with him, hence him never being a favourite of mine.

[GlitterUK]

He is proactive she is reactive.

[Garfie]

Well if you need to resort to swearing you have lost the argument before it even begins.

I like Ali's quick way of dealing with confrontation. She says what she says and walks away. It's annoying when the same confrontation is repeated such as Daze and Nathan

It's refreshing for someone to just say, we don't get on, we don't like each other and that's fine.

I think the problem is exactly that Ali does just say what she says and walks away, rather than allowing the other person to express their thoughts and feelings fully. This doesn’t, however, allow any room for discussion or reconciliation, and doesn’t allow the other person to feel heard.

If two people genuinely don’t like each other, it is better to accept that and walk away. In this case, Ali does give the impression that she really doesn’t like Khaled, whereas he seems to be perceiving the situation as a difference of opinion that he hopes to resolve. I don’t think he is coming from a place of dislike.

[FromBB8]

What is wrong with not wanting to resolve something?

He's so willing to give olive branches he brings something up that was put to bed even though he was advised to wait until the next day

I feel something was left out of the edit there. On the live feed, most of the house supported Khaled over Ali over the dispute. Why was that? Why did he approach her that evening rather than wait until the next morning? From the edit, the only thing is he was wound up slightly by the group conversation but even that doesn't quite add up. There appears to be a lack context.

It is a two way street. Khaled's timing and phrasing was off, but so was Ali's reaction.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Pathetic


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Its not pathetic but it is sad to see

Id imagine she entered the house thinking it would be a fun experience but it has turned out to be a nightmare for her

[ThomasC]

I think the problem is exactly that Ali does just say what she says and walks away, rather than allowing the other person to express their thoughts and feelings fully. This doesn’t, however, allow any room for discussion or reconciliation, and doesn’t allow the other person to feel heard.

If two people genuinely don’t like each other, it is better to accept that and walk away. In this case, Ali does give the impression that she really doesn’t like Khaled, whereas he seems to be perceiving the situation as a difference of opinion that he hopes to resolve. I don’t think he is coming from a place of dislike.

I don't think he is either, but he needs to have the emotional intelligence to stop badgering and move on. You can't make someone like you who doesn't. There doesn't even have to be a reason, some humans just don't like other humans based on vibes. It's human behaviour

[GoldHeart]

Wey I think Khaled knows now to stay well clear of psychopath. Emma was even advising him to leave it.

[ThomasC]

Wey I think Khaled knows now to stay well clear of psychopath. Emma was even advising him to leave it.

Thanks for your educated diagnosis.

[vesavius]

Well if you need to resort to swearing you have lost the argument before it even begins.



See, that's the kind of bullshit self superior nonsense 'logic' people like Ali rely on to 'win'.

Swearing in no way invalidates an argument or valid point.

And deliberately trying to provoke someone into anger as an automatic 'win' button is a really toxic and weak personality trait.

[Garfie]

I feel something was left out of the edit there. On the live feed, most of the house supported Khaled over Ali over the dispute. Why was that? Why did he approach her that evening rather than wait until the next morning? From the edit, the only thing is he was wound up slightly by the group conversation but even that doesn't quite add up. There appears to be a lack context.

It is a two way street. Khaled's timing and phrasing was off, but so was Ali's reaction.

I don’t feel his timing needs to be questioned. Ali didn’t waste any time in launching into him directly after he made his killer nomination last week, and didn’t show any consideration for the fact that the timing might be wrong for him. How can the same thing be fair for one and not the other?

I have an understanding of Ali, and empathy for her Autistic tendencies. However, alongside that goes the reality that all humans are flawed, all people can get things wrong and those on the Spectrum are not immune to that. And, just like any other person in this world, they shouldn’t be defended to the hilt when they do make mistakes, but encouraged instead to recognise errors in judgement and behaviour, so that they are given the opportunity to reassess and change if necessary.

Excusing or defending all they do, no matter what the impact, does them a disservice and is basically just enabling - it doesn’t show credit or respect for the intelligence and ability they have to reconsider, adjust, adapt or learn where necessary.

[FromBB8]

I don’t feel his timing needs to be questioned. Ali didn’t waste any time in launching into him directly after he made his killer nomination last week, and didn’t show any consideration for the fact that the timing might be wrong for him. How can the same thing be fair for one and not the other?

I have an understanding of Ali, and empathy for her Autistic tendencies. However, alongside that goes the reality that all humans are flawed, all people can get things wrong and those on the Spectrum are not immune to that. And, just like any other person in this world, they shouldn’t be defended to the hilt when they do make mistakes, but encouraged instead to recognise errors in judgement and behaviour, so that they are given the opportunity to reassess and change if necessary.

Excusing or defending all they do, no matter what the impact, does them a disservice and is basically just enabling - it doesn’t show credit or respect for the intelligence and ability they have to reconsider, adjust, adapt or learn where necessary.

Though it could be argued that, as Khaled knew how difficult it was to be confronted straight after making the HoH nomination, he'd give some time to Ali for doing the same thing. He even said he would so I'm not sure why he didn't follow that through.

[Garfie]

I don't think he is either, but he needs to have the emotional intelligence to stop badgering and move on. You can't make someone like you who doesn't. There doesn't even have to be a reason, some humans just don't like other humans based on vibes. It's human behaviour

All perceptions are different, I know, but I don’t see his need to discuss something as badgering, unless he does it numerous times. Personally, also see him as someone with pretty decent emotional intelligence.

I don’t feel that he is trying to make Ali like him. In fact, I believe he recognises that she doesn’t, and accepts that’s her prerogative. In the real world, it is easy to accept that and walk away. However, they are in a very closed environment with a relatively small number of people, and they cannot either avoid each other or escape. I think his intentions are to develop a sense of understanding and resolution between them so that they can live more calmly and peacefully within the BB house without awkwardness, discomfort or conflict. That would surely be better for them both, and for other housemates.

[vesavius]

I don’t feel his timing needs to be questioned. Ali didn’t waste any time in launching into him directly after he made his killer nomination last week, and didn’t show any consideration for the fact that the timing might be wrong for him. How can the same thing be fair for one and not the other?


Exactly.

She demands empathy, understanding and respect of others but gives zero in return.

[Garfie]

Though it could be argued that, as Khaled knew how difficult it was to be confronted straight after making the HoH nomination, he'd give some time to Ali for doing the same thing. He even said he would so I'm not sure why he didn't follow that through.

That’s a fair point, as he did say he would address it the following day. However, he didn’t do it immediately after nominations as they were both involved in other conversations after leaving the sofas. Perhaps, after having both had some time to settle somewhat, he changed his mind about the timing.

I am trying to see things from both sides with these two, as I have time for them both, and I think it can be all too easy to fall into the trap of seeing one or other as the villain no matter what. I have defended Ali in the past, but in this particular instance, I feel Khaled didn’t deserve how he was treated.

[FromBB8]

That’s a fair point, as he did say he would address it the following day. However, he didn’t do it immediately after nominations as they were both involved in other conversations after leaving the sofas. Perhaps, after having both had some time to settle somewhat, he changed his mind about the timing.

I am trying to see things from both sides with these two, as I have time for them both, and I think it can be all too easy to fall into the trap of seeing one or other as the villain no matter what. I have defended Ali in the past, but in this particular instance, I feel Khaled didn’t deserve how he was treated.

No, I agree - I think being accused of point scoring took Khaled aback as he didn't see his comment in that way. But at the same time, it was not really the moment to refer back to the previous week. It could be he got lost in semantics but, if he had said "That wasn't easy, was it?", it such a small change but, by not referring to himself Ali may not have seen it as a dig.

[Garfie]

Exactly.

She demands empathy, understanding and respect of others but gives zero in return.

I agree very much with the sentiment that empathy, understanding and respect works both ways. I understand why Ali might find this more challenging than most and respect that, but she is of high intelligence and her achievements and career would suggest she has a good capacity to learn. In fact, I would imagine those qualities are important in being a successful psychologist.

In the same way I have tried to understand Ali, I am trying to treat Khaled with equal understanding and respect. I don’t believe that demonstrating kindness, courtesy and compassion towards each other suggests someone is fake, devious or deceitful, even if they might appear to be trying too hard. If those were the worst crimes committed by the human race, I think the world would be a much happier place to live in.

I also wonder how many of those who judge Khaled so harshly have stopped to think about alternative explanations for his behaviour?

His early life experiences were in a country involved in conflict and he described growing up hearing bombings around him. As a young child, he must have been ultra-conscious of the dangers around him, alert to any sign of danger and fearful of how conflict could so easily escalate to a point of death and destruction. Therefore, it wouldn’t be unreasonable or irrational if he now feels the need to live with a sense of calm, stability and peace around him or why he has the urge to avoid confrontation and resolve conflict with others.

[Garfie]

No, I agree - I think being accused of point scoring took Khaled aback as he didn't see his comment in that way. But at the same time, it was not really the moment to refer back to the previous week. It could be he got lost in semantics but, if he had said "That wasn't easy, was it?", it such a small change but, by not referring to himself Ali may not have seen it as a dig.

I understand where you’re coming from but, in the same way, Ali could just have said that she didn’t see it that way at the time, but now she could relate to how difficult it was. That might have made the difference in terms of resolution.

[jet]

I don’t feel his timing needs to be questioned. Ali didn’t waste any time in launching into him directly after he made his killer nomination last week, and didn’t show any consideration for the fact that the timing might be wrong for him. How can the same thing be fair for one and not the other?

I have an understanding of Ali, and empathy for her Autistic tendencies. However, alongside that goes the reality that all humans are flawed, all people can get things wrong and those on the Spectrum are not immune to that. And, just like any other person in this world, they shouldn’t be defended to the hilt when they do make mistakes, but encouraged instead to recognise errors in judgement and behaviour, so that they are given the opportunity to reassess and change if necessary.

Excusing or defending all they do, no matter what the impact, does them a disservice and is basically just enabling - it doesn’t show credit or respect for the intelligence and ability they have to reconsider, adjust, adapt or learn where necessary.

Wonderful post :love:

[jet]

All perceptions are different, I know, but I don’t see his need to discuss something as badgering, unless he does it numerous times. Personally, also see him as someone with pretty decent emotional intelligence.

I don’t feel that he is trying to make Ali like him. In fact, I believe he recognises that she doesn’t, and accepts that’s her prerogative. In the real world, it is easy to accept that and walk away. However, they are in a very closed environment with a relatively small number of people, and they cannot either avoid each other or escape. I think his intentions are to develop a sense of understanding and resolution between them so that they can live more calmly and peacefully within the BB house without awkwardness, discomfort or conflict. That would surely be better for them both, and for other housemates.

:clap1:

[Garfie]

Wonderful post :love:

Cheers, jet. :thumbs:

[ThomasC]

See, that's the kind of bullshit self superior nonsense 'logic' people like Ali rely on to 'win'.

Swearing in no way invalidates an argument or valid point.

And deliberately trying to provoke someone into anger as an automatic 'win' button is a really toxic and weak personality trait.

It does show lack of intelligence and decorum though imo

I don’t feel his timing needs to be questioned. Ali didn’t waste any time in launching into him directly after he made his killer nomination last week, and didn’t show any consideration for the fact that the timing might be wrong for him. How can the same thing be fair for one and not the other?

I have an understanding of Ali, and empathy for her Autistic tendencies. However, alongside that goes the reality that all humans are flawed, all people can get things wrong and those on the Spectrum are not immune to that. And, just like any other person in this world, they shouldn’t be defended to the hilt when they do make mistakes, but encouraged instead to recognise errors in judgement and behaviour, so that they are given the opportunity to reassess and change if necessary.

Excusing or defending all they do, no matter what the impact, does them a disservice and is basically just enabling - it doesn’t show credit or respect for the intelligence and ability they have to reconsider, adjust, adapt or learn where necessary.

All perceptions are different, I know, but I don’t see his need to discuss something as badgering, unless he does it numerous times. Personally, also see him as someone with pretty decent emotional intelligence.

I don’t feel that he is trying to make Ali like him. In fact, I believe he recognises that she doesn’t, and accepts that’s her prerogative. In the real world, it is easy to accept that and walk away. However, they are in a very closed environment with a relatively small number of people, and they cannot either avoid each other or escape. I think his intentions are to develop a sense of understanding and resolution between them so that they can live more calmly and peacefully within the BB house without awkwardness, discomfort or conflict. That would surely be better for them both, and for other housemates.

I agree very much with the sentiment that empathy, understanding and respect works both ways. I understand why Ali might find this more challenging than most and respect that, but she is of high intelligence and her achievements and career would suggest she has a good capacity to learn. In fact, I would imagine those qualities are important in being a successful psychologist.

In the same way I have tried to understand Ali, I am trying to treat Khaled with equal understanding and respect. I don’t believe that demonstrating kindness, courtesy and compassion towards each other suggests someone is fake, devious or deceitful, even if they might appear to be trying too hard. If those were the worst crimes committed by the human race, I think the world would be a much happier place to live in.

I also wonder how many of those who judge Khaled so harshly have stopped to think about alternative explanations for his behaviour?

His early life experiences were in a country involved in conflict and he described growing up hearing bombings around him. As a young child, he must have been ultra-conscious of the dangers around him, alert to any sign of danger and fearful of how conflict could so easily escalate to a point of death and destruction. Therefore, it wouldn’t be unreasonable or irrational if he now feels the need to live with a sense of calm, stability and peace around him or why he has the urge to avoid confrontation and resolve conflict with others.

You raise very good and thought out opinions.

I can't disagree. What I do disagree with is the astounding hatred for someone,, to the point you would have thought she had committed murder. I think that is probably why I back her corner too

[vesavius]

It does show lack of intelligence and decorum though imo

Intelligence? Quite the opposite.

Decorum? Subjective.

https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/swearing-study-intelligent-intelligence-university-of-rochester-a7916516.html

[Garfie]

You raise very good and thought out opinions.

I can't disagree. What I do disagree with is the astounding hatred for someone,, to the point you would have thought she had committed murder. I think that is probably why I back her corner too

And so do you, by the way.
I’m totally on the same page as you regarding the extremes of hatred aimed at housemates, whether it be Ali or Khaled or anyone else. I just wish people would look beneath the surface, and remember the complexities of human nature, rather than judging housemates as if they were one-dimensional cartoon characters.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/21/22/91119795-13984781-image-a-4_1729545674838.jpg

[GoldHeart]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/21/22/91119795-13984781-image-a-4_1729545674838.jpg

:sleep:

[vesavius]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/10/21/22/91119795-13984781-image-a-4_1729545674838.jpg

Wow, it's almost like the position is super stressful and emotionally hard. It's a shame that she didn't use it as a learning moment to understand how Khaled felt and the impact of her behaviour on him.

[ThomasC]

And so do you, by the way.
I’m totally on the same page as you regarding the extremes of hatred aimed at housemates, whether it be Ali or Khaled or anyone else. I just wish people would look beneath the surface, and remember the complexities of human nature, rather than judging housemates as if they were one-dimensional cartoon characters.

Spot on

[Maru]

I also wonder how many of those who judge Khaled so harshly have stopped to think about alternative explanations for his behaviour?

His early life experiences were in a country involved in conflict and he described growing up hearing bombings around him. As a young child, he must have been ultra-conscious of the dangers around him, alert to any sign of danger and fearful of how conflict could so easily escalate to a point of death and destruction. Therefore, it wouldn’t be unreasonable or irrational if he now feels the need to live with a sense of calm, stability and peace around him or why he has the urge to avoid confrontation and resolve conflict with others.

He's explained that he's had to move frequently after migrating and thus adapting/reintroducing himself to people over and over. So he's constantly facing reintegration. He said he finds that incredibly tiresome. So placing pins on his map early on of new people he's met in his life makes sense for doing basic navigation and I can see why that's a skill he's had to pick up for himself...

I think him and Ali are actually more similar than they realize and that results in a few problems for them...

Khaled has a strong sense of self and takes immense pride in his ability and capability of navigating complex social situations "properly". Ali is very much the same in that she's also constantly looking out for what other people's expectations of her will be and measuring herself up to those marks.

A serious negative... they both treat people and situations as challenges (ie puzzles) to solve. This can make for relationships with them maybe feeling too mechanical.

I can see the group growing really tired of it all with their constant nagging of themselves and others about what is going on in the heads of other HMs because of their gameplay style as Completionists in social situations. Because it's BB, this looks like it is influenced more by the game side, but I suspect this is actually just normal day-to-day for them :laugh:

This house is different than past houses in some respects as there's big characters who hyper-fixate on the analysis of other people over and over with each new nugget of info. Add in the text group chat feels with the boys, the dressing room nature of the girl gossip (including Nathan & Dean) and it's like a social media version of Clue... "Who killed the bagel?"... etc

Both are bound to be nominated (again) soon. If I were in the same situation, I'd be really annoyed that they keep placing their own need to dig into other people's heads above others as it's probably overbearing for those who are just starting to figure out where they sit. I'm a viewer who loves a good analysis of house politics, but even I think it is getting tedious. Even for BB standards. One of them needs to pick up a grey rock for a friend and just learn to observe for a while without overanalyzing every single social cue... there's a point where it's just not that deep for me :laugh:

[GlitterUK]

I think they have both taken up so much of the show it would be interesting to see what happens when they both do leave because I think their fans will cancel out each other.

[FromBB8]

He's explained that he's had to move frequently after migrating and thus adapting/reintroducing himself to people over and over. So he's constantly facing reintegration. He said he finds that incredibly tiresome. So placing pins on his map early on of new people he's met in his life makes sense for doing basic navigation and I can see why that's a skill he's had to pick up for himself...

I think him and Ali are actually more similar than they realize and that results in a few problems for them...

Khaled has a strong sense of self and takes immense pride in his ability and capability of navigating complex social situations "properly". Ali is very much the same in that she's also constantly looking out for what other people's expectations of her will be and measuring herself up to those marks.

A serious negative... they both treat people and situations as challenges (ie puzzles) to solve. This can make for relationships with them maybe feeling too mechanical.

I can see the group growing really tired of it all with their constant nagging of themselves and others about what is going on in the heads of other HMs because of their gameplay style as Completionists in social situations. Because it's BB, this looks like it is influenced more by the game side, but I suspect this is actually just normal day-to-day for them :laugh:

This house is different than past houses in some respects as there's big characters who hyper-fixate on the analysis of other people over and over with each new nugget of info. Add in the text group chat feels with the boys, the dressing room nature of the girl gossip (including Nathan & Dean) and it's like a social media version of Clue... "Who killed the bagel?"... etc

Both are bound to be nominated (again) soon. If I were in the same situation, I'd be really annoyed that they keep placing their own need to dig into other people's heads above others as it's probably overbearing for those who are just starting to figure out where they sit. I'm a viewer who loves a good analysis of house politics, but even I think it is getting tedious. Even for BB standards. One of them needs to pick up a grey rock for a friend and just learn to observe for a while without overanalyzing every single social cue... there's a point where it's just not that deep for me :laugh:

I can understand where you're coming from but Khaled's relationships with Hanah, Marcello and Segun do not strike me as mechanical. And I'd say the same for Ali towards Lily and perhaps Martha.

The annoying thing is it feels like Ali and Khaled had sorted out their issues, but one comment being taken the wrong way has blown everything up, aided by Dean's influence on the pairings.

[bots]

Some people are just not meant to share living accommodation with each other. In fact, i would actually say there are very few that people would actually choose. So why should everyone try and resolve conflict, it is not the natural order of things. People don't get on

[Maru]

I can understand where you're coming from but Khaled's relationships with Hanah, Marcello and Segun do not strike me as mechanical. And I'd say the same for Ali towards Lily and perhaps Martha.

The annoying thing is it feels like Ali and Khaled had sorted out their issues, but one comment being taken the wrong way has blown everything up, aided by Dean's influence on the pairings.

Sure but that's only looking at those relationships that are being driven by the house atm. How close are they really? We don't know yet, Remember when some were suggesting Khaled was being "fake" (he likely wasn't) and everything felt forced. I think this was part of why. Khaled was helped by Ali's behavior in the longrun because it gave everyone an incentive to check through his exterior behavior for themselves and see if there was anything to that.

I wonder if Lily is going to have a rethink. I don't think she is completely happy with staying in a sidekick, "friend friend" role. Their relationship still seems shallow atm. Khaled I think risks pushing more people to nominate him if he doesn't relax, but it's a much smaller risk because he has multiple people around him to keep him in check. In retrospect, I can see where Izaaz may not have wanted to get too involved with that side of things regarding him, at least at first... after all they're still forced to live together. :shrug: Martha is harder to examine but I think I agree with Nathan a bit that she is being a bit fake, but it could be fake it til you make it for all we know?

[GoldHeart]

Sure but that's only looking at those relationships that are being driven by the house atm. How close are they really? We don't know yet, Remember when some were suggesting Khaled was being "fake" (he likely wasn't) and everything felt forced. I think this was part of why. Khaled was helped by Ali's behavior in the longrun because it gave everyone an incentive to check through his exterior behavior for themselves and see if there was anything to that.

I wonder if Lily is going to have a rethink. I don't think she is completely happy with staying in a sidekick, "friend friend" role. Their relationship still seems shallow atm. Khaled I think risks pushing more people to nominate him if he doesn't relax, but it's a much smaller risk because he has multiple people around him to keep him in check. In retrospect, I can see where Izaaz may not have wanted to get too involved with that side of things regarding him, at least at first... after all they're still forced to live together. :shrug: Martha is harder to examine but I think I agree with Nathan a bit that she is being a bit fake, but it could be fake it til you make it for all we know?

Lily actually thinks Ali is her bestie, I still think Ali is manipulating her...and that friendship is the most unnatural one . And the way Ali laughs at every annoying or gross habit, especially in the lab task . When irl Ali would likely avoid someone like Lily .

It's funny how Lily doesn't rub her up the wrong way ,yet Khaled is a demon to her .

Izaaz seems to be counting the days till he either walks or gets evicted.

When it gets to a vote to win / save , if Martha survives...I will faint with shock . She is massively going under the radar. But atleast she's faced eviction,but she is putting on a forced jolly act ,I think she doesn't have much of a personality without the " it's giving" catchphrase:rolleyes: .

[vesavius]

Lily actually thinks Ali is her bestie, I still think Ali is manipulating her.

Ali has 100% intentionally groomed Lily