Hanah is the Anti Ali, and I am here for it

[vesavius]

I am so happy that Hanah has come out fighting for her team and I am glad that the lads have her there. She can stand up to the bullshit of Ali as a woman that they can't.

If a man is seen arguing with a woman he can too easily been seen as being aggressive or bullying, especially when the inevitable waterworks start. But Hanah can take the fight right to her and she 100% has the strength of character to do so.

Where Ali seems to have a strong streak of misandry running through her, Hanah has a strong empathy with her boys.

Where Ali relies on grooming Lily and artificial alliances (Dean) to get her through, Hanah has actual friends in there. She hasn't got a team because it is tactically sound to do so, she just has people who like each other.

I have always said that Hanah has shown glimpses of being a great HM but has never had her 'moment' where it all solidified, but I think last night could have been it.

It's a shame that already some views are interpreting her strong principled stand as 'angry aggression', but some can only see a black woman with a voice as that so it's to be expected.

[BBXX]

I really like Hanah but I think last night was probably her worst moment so far. She didn't come across well at all, IMO. She "said it with her chest" by being caught out and then not saying anything to the person she was speaking about allllll day. She got rattled, and showed it was all bravado.

While I do think men are sometimes forgotten in terms of others checking in on their emotions and feelings, I think it's disingenuous to suggest nobody was there for Khaled during his disagreements with Ali. He has friends and Ali was up for eviction that week, which is some kind of support in itself.

[ThomasC]

And where was her support for Khaled before?

She's sly. She can't even look Ali in the face now.

Her response was one of embarrassment as she had been caught out. I don't believe for one second she would have confronted Ali otherwise.

[Beso]

I love a strong black woman on big brother, and Hanah is exactly that.

She has been dragged into this whole red witch thing, a part of the rule break conversation that BB did not need to air to the rest of the house as it had no real relevance and the rule break had already happened, what was aired should have stopped at "marcello also said"

But hey, halloween is just round the corner, so we can all see now why it was aired and also what is in store come halloween in regards to Alis role.

A lot of people saying she didnt say it with her chest because it was said behind Alis back as well, well it wasnt really a conversation that could he had with Ali, cause in hannah's part of the convo she was just saying they needed to win HoH next week, would have been foolish to discuss that with Ali, so yeah, Hanah is still up in my top 3 as she did nothing wrong, and lily can get back to itching her arse and sniffing her finger because it wasnt a got you moment for her in the diary room at all.

[vesavius]

And where was her support for Khaled before?


Everyone has a breaking point where they say 'no more'.

Hanah has simply reached hers, and I am happy that she has.

The show needs a strong team to play against Ali's bullshit and Hanah can be the leader of that.

I loved her fighting spirit.

[vesavius]

A lot of people saying she didnt say it with her chest because it was said behind Alis back as well, well it wasnt really a conversation that could he had with Ali, cause in hannah's part of the convo she was just saying they needed to win HoH next week, would have been foolish to discuss that with Ali, so yeah, Hanah is still up in my top 3 as she did nothing wrong, and lily can get back to itching her arse and sniffing her finger because it wasnt a got you moment for her in the diary room at all.

She def did nothing wrong.

Talking to her team about Ali's bullshit is 100% fine and OK. No one includes the rival team in their conversations... Why would they? AliDean chat all day about the other HMs but it's only a problem now?

I am fully team Hanah.

[GoldGlitter]

Why is it ok for Hanah to create a team? When Ali did that she was seen as manipulative. It makes no sense why Hanah would be angry with Ali when she stood up for her when Khaled called her Aggy and saved her from nominations. It was a good thing that Ali was in there lastnight because she was protecting Lily from an onslaught from the gang which would have made them look even worse.

[FromBB8]

Why is it ok for Hanah to create a team? When Ali did that she was seen as manipulative. It makes no sense why Hanah would be angry with Ali when she stood up for her when Khaled called her Aggy and saved her from nominations. It was a good thing that Ali was in there lastnight because she was protecting Lily from an onslaught from the gang which would have made them look even worse.

Hanah was saved simply because she was with Lily. Please do not make out it was anything to do with her as a person in her own right.

[Cherie]

Hanah has formed genuine friendships in there which is lovely to see, I hope she makes the final

[Ammi]

…I’m 110% shamelessly going to pop this right here …

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showthread.php?t=393194


…and I say it with chest, damn right…

[GoldGlitter]

Hanah was saved simply because she was with Lily. Please do not make out it was anything to do with her as a person in her own right.

It was a great move to pair Hanah with Lily and a clever tactic by Ali to make Dean look like he was the one who put Khaled with Marcello. They all knew that Ali was going to save Lily. They should have been smarter about who to nominate to have a better chance of surviving the week she was hoh.

[Black Dagger]

She’s a joke who speaks for the sake of speaking.

Wasn’t arsed when 4 women were up last week but suddenly the sky is falling now. Wish she knew her best pal Segun had nominated Daze as well. Those men will throw her under the bus.

[vesavius]

Why is it ok for Hanah to create a team?

Why is it not?

They are defending themselves against targeted attacks. It's form a team or get picked off one by one. A team is a smart move.

[Tizmee]

I haven’t had any strong opinion on Hannah so far, but last night I fully agreed with what she had to say in response to BB stating what she had had to say about Ali.

I don’t think it was ‘bravado’ from her because of her comments being exposed - it was simply standing by her opinion and what she’d said.

What I find intriguing though, is the fact that Ali hasn’t said a word to Hannah (from what has been televised) about this.
She would almost certainly have confronted any of the male houseguests had it been one of them ….

My apologies in advance because I certainly don’t want to offend anyone but, the word ‘misogynist’ comes to my mind …

[vesavius]

Hanah has formed genuine friendships in there which is lovely to see, I hope she makes the final

Yep. Their team gravitated together and gelled through actually liking each other.

Ali and her alliance of groomed 'children' and cynical users can't compete.

[vesavius]

Wasn’t arsed when 4 women were up last week but suddenly the sky is falling now

Hanah forms friendships on the basis of the personality, not out of some silly supposed allegiance to gender or sex.

It makes no difference to her if the nommed HMs are all men or all women, just don't come for her friends.

[Kate!]

I can't say a lot. I like both Ali and Hanah. It's a shame they don't see eye to eye. Interesting reading all your viewpoints.

[Black Dagger]

Hanah forms friendships on the basis of the personality, not out of some silly supposed allegiance to gender or sex.

It makes no difference to her if the nommed HMs are all men or all women, just don't come for her friends.

Such a shame that Segun did come for her friend then isn’t it.

[vesavius]

Such a shame that Segun did come for her friend then isn’t it.

Segun had his own reasons. What difference does it even make? I don't get what you are so fixated on here. That Segun didn't have the same best friend as Hanah? It's weird.

[bots]

Hanah is completely unlikeable, and to top it off, i don't understand half of what she is saying

[ThomasC]

Everyone has a breaking point where they say 'no more'.

Hanah has simply reached hers, and I am happy that she has.

The show needs a strong team to play against Ali's bullshit and Hanah can be the leader of that.

I loved her fighting spirit.

There wasn't any fighting spirit, she said it behind her back and now won't even look at her

[FromBB8]

There wasn't any fighting spirit, she said it behind her back and now won't even look at her

I wonder if she's waiting for Ali to acknowledge her before having a chat? Segun only offered to talk when Ali made a jokey comment at him. Emma said an interesting thing last night - if Ali wanted her opinion, she would give it to her, but she didn't think she'd accept it if offered.

Edit: As said below, she did say to everyone, in front of the house - any issues, come to me. So it might be a case that she feels Ali knows her opinion and can say if she wants to discuss it.

[vesavius]

There wasn't any fighting spirit, she said it behind her back and now won't even look at her

That's a pretty weird take on what we actually saw take place.

She literally stood up in front of the house, owned it and made no apologies and said come get it.

They ALL talk behind the backs of others. Ali does it constantly, and it's only a problem when a black woman does it? That's odd.

[Beso]

There wasn't any fighting spirit, she said it behind her back and now won't even look at her

Said what behind her back, what did she say that could have been said directly?

[Niamh.]

That's a pretty weird take on what we actually saw take place.

She literally stood up in front of the house, owned it and made no apologies and said come get it.

They ALL talk behind the backs of others. Ali does it constantly, and it's only a problem when a black woman does it? That's odd.

Ali literally read Dean, who she's actually friends with and 3 seconds later spoke to his face without telling him the big issue she had with him, she's worse than anyone for "fakeness"

[Beso]

Ali literally read Dean, who she's actually friends with and 3 seconds later spoke to his face without telling him the big issue she had with him, she's worse than anyone for "fakeness"

That was funny, I think Martha was itching to tell Dean, when she walked into upstairs and asked if they were talking about Ali, I wish they had said yes :joker:

[Niamh.]

That was funny, I think Martha was itching to tell Dean, when she walked into upstairs and asked if they were talking about Ali, I wish they had said yes :joker:

I hope it comes out, she was being very two faced there.

[Liam-]

Yes she is, she’s a snake, the complete opposite of Ali

[Cherie]

I dont get the Martha hate, I like her :laugh:

[Niamh.]

I dont get the Martha hate, I like her :laugh:

I don't hate her, every time she says "it's giving" though it's like nails down a blackboard :oh:

[rusticgal]

That was funny, I think Martha was itching to tell Dean, when she walked into upstairs and asked if they were talking about Ali, I wish they had said yes :joker:


Do you think Ali is testing loyalty here?...telling Martha what she thought of Dean?...Martha must be dying to tell Dean but she might be afraid of being confronted by the Red Witch...:hehe:

[Beso]

Do you think Ali is testing loyalty here?...telling Martha what she thought of Dean?...Martha must be dying to tell Dean but she might be afraid of being confronted by the Red Witch...:hehe:

To be fair ahe told just about everyone so wouldnt know who grassed.

[rusticgal]

Also...Nathan is seeing what Ali is all about. Izaaz is sucking up to her...of all 4 up Izaaz just has to go.

[Niamh.]

Also...Nathan is seeing what Ali is all about. Izaaz is sucking up to her...of all 4 up Izaaz just has to go.

I reckon Marcello will go after Chickengate

[GoldGlitter]

I reckon Marcello will go after Chickengate

On FB they love Marcello for Chickengate.

[Niamh.]

On FB they love Marcello for Chickengate.

Really? He was disgusting how he talked to poor Sarah

[GoldGlitter]

Really? He was disgusting how he talked to poor Sarah

I looked at the official big brother page and read the comments under the video.

[Niamh.]

I looked at the official big brother page and read the comments under the video.

That's depressing

[Swan]

Hannah is a great HM, a bit clumsy with her delivery, but her assessment of Ali is spot on

[FromBB8]

On FB they love Marcello for Chickengate.

I've never known a series where the fanbase is so split across different platforms.

I like Marcello but do think he was out of order with the way he spoke to Sarah yesterday. Though, on the feed, they had made up by 2am.

[vesavius]

Ali literally read Dean, who she's actually friends with and 3 seconds later spoke to his face without telling him the big issue she had with him, she's worse than anyone for "fakeness"

'Fakeness' is just something that Ali uses to negative image others. It's fine when she does it (in her own mind, that is).

Just like performative niceness is only a problem when she can try and use it to harm others, while she does it constantly.

Ali does not live by the standards that she so loudly judges others by.

[Niamh.]

'Fakeness' is just something that Ali uses to negative image others. It's fine when she does it (in her own mind, that is).

Just like performative niceness is only a problem when she can try and use it to harm others, while she does it constantly.

Ali does not live by the standards that she so loudly judges others by.

Yes, I hate that mentality

[caprimint]

Hanah is so vile and I'm glad her true colours are starting to be seen finally

[Swan]

'Fakeness' is just something that Ali uses to negative image others. It's fine when she does it (in her own mind, that is).

Just like performative niceness is only a problem when she can try and use it to harm others, while she does it constantly.

Ali does not live by the standards that she so loudly judges others by.

:clap1:

[bots]

The concept of one person being the anti of someone else is just silly

[vesavius]

The concept of one person being the anti of someone else is just silly

It's just a flippant way of saying that she is the opposite of Ali personality wise and that she currently is Ali's main opposition in that house.

No need to take it over seriously as a term.

[Ammi]

I dont get the Martha hate, I like her :laugh:

…I think one of the best quotes/moments of the season for me was through the drama of red witch-gate…Martha saying…(…something similar to…)…you’re not even red, you’re ginger…and those were her comforting words to make Ali feel better…:laugh:…

[FromBB8]

…I think one of the best quotes/moments of the season for me was through the drama of red witch-gate…Martha saying…(…something similar to…)…you’re not even red, you’re ginger…and those were her comforting words to make Ali feel better…:laugh:…

Not only that but she said it twice - just in case Ali missed it the first time!

[vesavius]

…I think one of the best quotes/moments of the season for me was through the drama of red witch-gate…Martha saying…(…something similar to…)…you’re not even red, you’re ginger…and those were her comforting words to make Ali feel better…:laugh:…

:joker::joker::joker:

[Niamh.]

…I think one of the best quotes/moments of the season for me was through the drama of red witch-gate…Martha saying…(…something similar to…)…you’re not even red, you’re ginger…and those were her comforting words to make Ali feel better…:laugh:…

:laugh:

[Ammi]

…I know this is going a bit off topic from Ali but I love these moments with Hannah and Lily and Hannah couching Lily in her ‘boot camp’….Lily is just so responsive to Hannah, it’s quite a joy to see…while many of the other HM’s have pandered to Lily and maybe even ‘baby’d’ her…Hannah is just…’now look here, missy…these are the rules and you better shape up…’…not in a confrontational way, though…firm but fair and caring…?…


SN_9iThfbwE

[Niamh.]

Yeah. that's what people should be like with her

[Swan]

…I know this is going a bit off topic from Ali but I love these moments with Hannah and Lily and Hannah couching Lily in her ‘boot camp’….Lily is just so repo side to Hannah, it’s quite a joy to see…while many of the other HM’s have pandered to Lily and maybe even ‘baby’d’ her…Hannah is just…’now look here, missy…these are the rules and you better shape up…’…not in a confrontational way, though…firm but fair and caring…?…


SN_9iThfbwE

Honestly, Hannah is spot on there. And did she not have such a thick LANDAN YA GET ME MADEM INNIT accent, and it was delivered to Lily by Ali for example people would be like "Ali = Queen". But as it's Hannah, who does sound common as muck (but so what) people don't take Hannah seriously.

It's not how something said, or the accent, it's what is said. And if you really listen to Hannah a lot of the time in the house, she's actually very perceptive and intelligent. She makes fantastic points.

[Ray.]

Honestly, Hannah is spot on there. And did she not have such a thick LANDAN YA GET ME MADEM INNIT accent, and it was delivered to Lily by Ali for example people would be like "Ali = Queen". But as it's Hannah, who does sound common as muck (but so what) people don't take Hannah seriously.

It's not how something said, or the accent, it's what is said. And if you really listen to Hannah a lot of the time in the house, she's actually very perceptive and intelligent. She makes fantastic points.

Agreed. It's a shame because the empathy and the raw cleverness seems to have been lost on a lot of people through all the mouthiness.

[Ammi]

…yeah I think it is also how it’s said from Hannah because it really is just a…ok, so this is how it is ….but not in a critical way, Hannah’s calm but she’s also encouraging and shows great faith in Lily that she can be thoughtful and consider others…she doesn’t use language like…’..you could try…’…etc…it really is like a boot camp method of, this is what’s going to happen…:laugh:…and Lily looks so responsive to that…

[AnnieK]

Hanah was great there with Lily.....and Lily looked like she was listening and it did seem to click when she spoke to her about the screaming. Lily is just young and immature but it did look like she took it on board from Hanah....she is Big Brother's Big Sister to Lily :love:

[Niamh.]

Hanah was great there with Lily.....and Lily looked like she was listening and it did seem to click when she spoke to her about the screaming. Lily is just young and immature but it did look like she took it on board from Hanah....she is Big Brother's Big Sister to Lily :love:

Not like Ali who on one hand told Sarah to say it to Lily about the screaming , that she wouldn't mind but then when she did and Lily told her about it she told Lily "I don't think you scream much" that isn't helping Lily in the house at all, Hanah was trying to help her not get nominated so much

[Swan]

I just think, sadly, people do look down on Hannah and don't take her seriously because of her thick raw accent. Her and Sarah are fast becoming my favourite HMs. They both ooze authenticity, which i think is a great HM trait.

[GlitterUK]

Half of me would like to think Segun was keeping Ali close in terms of nominations for future weeks and she still has power potentially as HOH....then again I don't think Segun is that smart.

He has given one of the best lines all series though.

[Swan]

Not like Ali who on one hand told Sarah to say it to Lily about the screaming , that she wouldn't mind but then when she did and Lily told her about it she told Lily "I don't think you scream much" that isn't helping Lily in the house at all, Hanah was trying to help her not get nominated so much

Ali is the fakest HM in there, along with possibly Nathan too now (used to like him, really not sure anymore). She uses and manipulates Lily, is obvious imo. Ali is a snake, whereas as Hannah just tells it straight.

[Ammi]

I just think, sadly, people do look down on Hannah and don't take her seriously because of her thick raw accent. Her and Sarah are fast becoming my favourite HMs. They both ooze authenticity, which i think is a great HM trait.

…I don’t think in the house any housemate looks down on her, I haven’t seen that from anyone…I mean, I don’t know whether her accent had any bearing on her early conversation with Khaled and aggie-gate when he seemed to interpret aggression that wasn’t there…

[Beso]

Coming up to half way through the series and Lilys redemption arc starts....

Zzzzzxx, boring, predictable, piss off.

[Swan]

…I don’t think in the house any housemate looks down on her, I haven’t seen that from anyone…I mean, I don’t know whether her accent had any bearing on her early conversation with Khaled and aggie-gate when he seemed to interpret aggression that wasn’t there…

Nah not in the house, the other HMs, just the things i've read online. Lots just dismiss her for her thick "common" accent. And i think it's such a shame, because if you can past her accent and listen to what she's actually saying, she makes so much sense. She's extremely perceptive and intelligent.

[Ammi]

Nah not in the house, the other HMs, just the things i've read online. Lots just dismiss her for her thick "common" accent. And i think it's such a shame, because if you can past her accent and listen to what she's actually saying, she makes so much sense. She's extremely perceptive and intelligent.

…I think that she oozes emotional intelligence in that she seems to absorb so many perspectives whenever there’s conflict and she also seems fairly balanced in stepping back when she feels that’s the best thing also…

[romeofahey]

The fact that people are turning on her and Segun just cause they called Ali a red witch is sending me like Ali has LITERALLY been a witch in that house she's lucky she hasn't been actually confronted or called out yet.

[Cherie]

…I think one of the best quotes/moments of the season for me was through the drama of red witch-gate…Martha saying…(…something similar to…)…you’re not even red, you’re ginger…and those were her comforting words to make Ali feel better…:laugh:…

:joker:

[GlitterUK]

Ali is the fakest HM in there, along with possibly Nathan too now (used to like him, really not sure anymore). She uses and manipulates Lily, is obvious imo. Ali is a snake, whereas as Hannah just tells it straight.


I thought Nathan had finally seen the light with Ali but then he kissed her on the cheek in last nights live feed.

[Beso]

Here for nathan bursting into flames.

[vesavius]

The fact that people are turning on her and Segun just cause they called Ali a red witch is sending me like Ali has LITERALLY been a witch in that house she's lucky she hasn't been actually confronted or called out yet.

Of all the milk toast comments to make about another HM 'red witch' has to be the most milk toast :joker:

[vesavius]

Honestly, Hannah is spot on there. And did she not have such a thick LANDAN YA GET ME MADEM INNIT accent, and it was delivered to Lily by Ali for example people would be like "Ali = Queen". But as it's Hannah, who does sound common as muck (but so what) people don't take Hannah seriously.

It's not how something said, or the accent, it's what is said. And if you really listen to Hannah a lot of the time in the house, she's actually very perceptive and intelligent. She makes fantastic points.

Yes, for sure.

There are too many judging her on how she says a thing, her accent, rather than what she is saying.

It's an odd venn diagram of racism and classism and good old regular BB ignorance... "You are here".

[Niamh.]

Of all the milk toast comments to make about another HM 'red witch' has to be the most milk toast :joker:

Milk toast? :laugh:

[vesavius]

Milk toast? :laugh:

Or milquetoast if you prefer. Used mainly to mean a meek or timid person, but also to mean bland, middle of the road, or inoffensive :)

[Niamh.]

Or milquetoast if you prefer. Used mainly to mean a meek or timid person, but also to mean bland, middle of the road, or inoffensive :)

Everyday's a school day :laugh: I agree though I'd kind like being called a Red Witch tbh

[vesavius]

Everyday's a school day :laugh: I agree though I'd kind like being called a Red Witch tbh

yeah, it's really not that insulting :laugh:

[Beso]

Manky toes lily.

[ThomasC]

That's a pretty weird take on what we actually saw take place.

She literally stood up in front of the house, owned it and made no apologies and said come get it.

They ALL talk behind the backs of others. Ali does it constantly, and it's only a problem when a black woman does it? That's odd.

Yeah after she had been caught out

Said what behind her back, what did she say that could have been said directly?

That she's a Charlatan and that she would be putting her up

It was played twice

[Swan]

Yeah after she had been caught out



That she's a Charlatan and that she would be putting her up

It was played twice

They all slag each other off behind each others backs. This is not exclusive to Hannah. Ali is guilty of slagging Dean off behind his back, and many others like Lily for example.

It's literally the bread and butter of Big Brother as a whole. They all talk about each other. It's more to do with being caught out and owning it, which Hannah did. Ali however, denies any wrong doing, and is a lot more snidey with it.

[vesavius]

Yeah after she had been caught out



At which point she had a choice.. To shrivel and apologise and say it wasn't what it looks like, like most of them would, or to stand up and own it.

She chose the latter, and I like that.

[vesavius]

They all slag each other off behind each others backs. This is not exclusive to Hannah. Ali is guilty of slagging Dean off behind his back, and many others like Lily for example.

It's literally the bread and butter of Big Brother as a whole. They all talk about each other. It's more to do with being caught out and owning it, which Hannah did. Ali however, denies any wrong doing, and is a lot more snidey with it.

It's only a crime when Hanah does it though it seems.

[ThomasC]

They all slag each other off behind each others backs. This is not exclusive to Hannah. Ali is guilty of slagging Dean off behind his back, and many others like Lily for example.

It's literally the bread and butter of Big Brother as a whole. They all talk about each other. It's more to do with being caught out and owning it, which Hannah did. Ali however, denies any wrong doing, and is a lot more snidey with it.

Ok. Just balancing things as Ali is not Rosemary West which you would think she is some of the comments

She owned it in the most trashy and childish, gangsta way possible. Thinking she's better than Big Brother.

No you listen babes, you me, blud

[ThomasC]

It's only a crime when Hanah does it though it seems.

Really?

Have you been reading here and DS?

People are obsessed with Ali and love Hanah now as she said something behind her back (which Ali is guilt of too with other housemates)

It's siding with someone who dislikes who they dislike. It's as Ali would say 'point scoring'

[vesavius]

Ok. Just balancing things as Ali is not Rosemary West which you would think she is some of the comments

She owned it in the most trashy and childish, gangsta way possible. Thinking she's better than Big Brother.

No you listen babes, you me, blud

You are comparing the bullshit of Ali and the criticism she has clearly earned against Hanah having a way of speaking that you consider 'trash'.

Those working class people, eh? They just don't know how to speak. :rolleyes:

[Swan]

You are comparing the bullshit of Ali and the criticism she has clearly earned against Hanah having a way of speaking that you consider 'trash'.

Those working class people, eh? They just don't know how to speak. :rolleyes:

Yeah the Classism and superiority (by the very same) people who preach tolerance and acceptance is astounding when it comes to Hannah. Like i've said in other threads, if people could actually see past their snobbishness and hear what Hannah is saying, they'd see what she says is absolutely spot on. She's a very intelligent and perceptive person.

[vesavius]

Yeah the Classism and superiority (by the very same) people who preach tolerance and acceptance is astounding when it comes to Hannah. Like i've said in other threads, if people could actually see past their snobbishness and hear what Hannah is saying, they'd see what she says is absolutely spot on. She's a very intelligent and perceptive person.

Yep, 100% agree.

There is nothing more a Guardian reading type hates more than a working class person though.

[Swan]

Yep, 100% agree.

There is nothing more a Guardian reading type hates more than a working class person though.

Whilst in a coffee house paying £8 for a swanky coffee, spouting about how "progressive" they are, and that they're part of the solution, not the problem....Etc etc etc :bored:

[Beso]

Ok. Just balancing things as Ali is not Rosemary West which you would think she is some of the comments

She owned it in the most trashy and childish, gangsta way possible. Thinking she's better than Big Brother.

No you listen babes, you me, blud



She looks more like Maxine Carr.

[ThomasC]

You are comparing the bullshit of Ali and the criticism she has clearly earned against Hanah having a way of speaking that you consider 'trash'.

Those working class people, eh? They just don't know how to speak. :rolleyes:

Well Hanah certainly doesn't. That whole fake gangsta voice she puts on, you know what I'm saying blud

[ThomasC]

Yep, 100% agree.

There is nothing more a Guardian reading type hates more than a working class person though.

Mad and you think I'm not working class?

I go out to work to earn as much money money as Hannah I just don't go around doing it in a fake ass put on voice.

[Garfie]

I am so happy that Hanah has come out fighting for her team and I am glad that the lads have her there. She can stand up to the bullshit of Ali as a woman that they can't.

If a man is seen arguing with a woman he can too easily been seen as being aggressive or bullying, especially when the inevitable waterworks start. But Hanah can take the fight right to her and she 100% has the strength of character to do so.

Where Ali seems to have a strong streak of misandry running through her, Hanah has a strong empathy with her boys.

Where Ali relies on grooming Lily and artificial alliances (Dean) to get her through, Hanah has actual friends in there. She hasn't got a team because it is tactically sound to do so, she just has people who like each other.

I have always said that Hanah has shown glimpses of being a great HM but has never had her 'moment' where it all solidified, but I think last night could have been it.

It's a shame that already some views are interpreting her strong principled stand as 'angry aggression', but some can only see a black woman with a voice as that so it's to be expected.

I really like and admire Hanah. She seems intelligent, educated and well-informed, as well as being loyal and willing to stand up for her principles. To me, she came across as strong, passionate and principled, and even if some of her response to BB was a little rude, the shock value created its own humour. Hanah is probably my favourite of the girls.

You make a lot of great points in your post, but I kind of wish you’d left out your last sentence as it reads as if there might be some subtle accusations being implied, which might well be unfair to members who could have valid reasons for disagreeing with Hanah, and, as a consequence all those good point you made could be over-shadowed.

[Garfie]

'Fakeness' is just something that Ali uses to negative image others. It's fine when she does it (in her own mind, that is).

Just like performative niceness is only a problem when she can try and use it to harm others, while she does it constantly.

Ali does not live by the standards that she so loudly judges others by.

There is certainly some truth in this, but I wonder if she even recognises this in herself.

[Garfie]

…I know this is going a bit off topic from Ali but I love these moments with Hannah and Lily and Hannah couching Lily in her ‘boot camp’….Lily is just so responsive to Hannah, it’s quite a joy to see…while many of the other HM’s have pandered to Lily and maybe even ‘baby’d’ her…Hannah is just…’now look here, missy…these are the rules and you better shape up…’…not in a confrontational way, though…firm but fair and caring…?…


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I agree. This is exactly what I hoped would happen, as it demonstrates respect for Lily, whilst highlighting social expectations as regards appropriate behaviour and boundaries. At 20, it can only be beneficial for Lily to be more mature and to show consideration for others, as it is way past the time she should have been taught these skills. Perhaps in doing this, Hanah will inadvertently help Lily to develop the friendships she seems to have been yearning for.

[Garfie]

They all slag each other off behind each others backs. This is not exclusive to Hannah. Ali is guilty of slagging Dean off behind his back, and many others like Lily for example.

It's literally the bread and butter of Big Brother as a whole. They all talk about each other. It's more to do with being caught out and owning it, which Hannah did. Ali however, denies any wrong doing, and is a lot more snidey with it.

This is so true. They all talk about each other in the house, just like we all are guilty of talking about others in real life, and just as we are all talking about the housemates here. It’s how human beings operate in order to either gain understanding of others, for validation or for support. It’s just human nature.:shrug:

[vesavius]

I really like and admire Hanah. She seems intelligent, educated and well-informed, as well as being loyal and willing to stand up for her principles. To me, she came across as strong, passionate and principled, and even if some of her response to BB was a little rude, the shock value created its own humour. Hanah is probably my favourite of the girls.

You make a lot of great points in your post, but I kind of wish you’d left out your last sentence as it reads as if there might be some subtle accusations being implied, which might well be unfair to members who could have valid reasons for disagreeing with Hanah, and, as a consequence all those good point you made could be over-shadowed.

I purposefully used some for that reason, because I certainly don't think all. In all honesty, it was more of a comment regarding the FB and X fanbase rather than here. It's amazing how different the experience is on different platforms.

Some of the takes out there are wild, especially on FB which seems the worst. I do think that there are many in the BB viewer base that think this way.

But, for sure, I am always ready to accept that some have fair and valid views on her, even if they aren't fans :)

[Garfie]

I purposefully used some for that reason, because I certainly don't think all. In all honesty, it was more of a comment regarding the FB and X fanbase rather than here. It's amazing how different the experience is on different platforms.

Some of the takes out there are wild, especially on FB which seems the worst. I do think that there are many in the BB viewer base that think this way.

But, for sure, I am always ready to accept that some have fair and valid views on her, even if they aren't fans :)

Cheers for your response, Vesuvius, and for not taking any offence at what I said, as afterwards I questioned whether it might come across as criticism. I thought that you made some really important and insightful observations, which I didn’t want to be disregarded by those who make the decision to divert by taking offence when they see the opportunity.

I’ve really enjoyed reading your posts, even on those occasions when our perceptions might have differed, as your thought process is always clear, and your points are well-considered. The impression I get is that, like Hanah, you have the courage of your convictions. :thumbs:

[GoldHeart]

They all slag each other off behind each others backs. This is not exclusive to Hannah. Ali is guilty of slagging Dean off behind his back, and many others like Lily for example.

It's literally the bread and butter of Big Brother as a whole. They all talk about each other. It's more to do with being caught out and owning it, which Hannah did. Ali however, denies any wrong doing, and is a lot more snidey with it.

Ali will never admit or own up to anything,as she is a professional victim.

Hanah stood her ground,and her feelings were valid .she had every right to say what she said,and she most definitely was used as a pawn ( I'm laughing at how Hanah kept saying pond though :joker:) , she knew what Ali & Dean were doing.

Notice how Ali doesn't confront Hanah,I knew she'd run away. Ali knows she'll lose against Hanah in argument.

[vesavius]

Ali will never admit or own up to anything,as she is a professional victim.

Hanah stood her ground,and her feelings were valid .she had every right to say what she said,and she most definitely was used as a pawn ( I'm laughing at how Hanah kept saying pond though :joker:) , she knew what Ali & Dean were doing.

Notice how Ali doesn't confront Hanah,I knew she'd run away. Ali knows she'll lose against Hanah in argument.

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