Big Brother in anti-Semitism row over Ali’s T-shirt

[Benjamin]

BIG Brother was at the centre of an anti-Semitism row yesterday after a housemate wore a T-shirt depicting a map of Israel as a watermelon.

The symbol, widely associated with anti-Israel sentiment, sparked claims ITV was allowing “genocidal” views to be broadcast to millions of viewers.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/10/big-brother-contestant-wearing-t-943175225.jpg?strip=all&w=720

The Campaign Against Antisemitism complained to Ofcom and said last night: “How is this becoming the norm?”

It added: “This graphic has caused significant distress among the British Jewish community, who regard it as a genocidal message similar to the slogan ‘From the River to the Sea’, which calls for the elimination of the world’s only Jewish state.

“How did the show’s staff allow this shirt to be worn, let alone broadcast it on national television?

"This incident represents a serious violation of broadcasting standards.”

Contestant Ali Bromley, a forensic psychologist, wore the controversial T-shirt in the garden of the Big Brother house.

Viewers were in shock at the T-shirt being screened, branding it “vile” and “despicable”.

Zalman Muhammad said: “This is harmful, and she needs to go.”

Another viewer said: “She’s a horrible nasty piece of work. Smiling assassin.”

The episode was pulled off ITVX on Tuesday night, before being re-uploaded to the site on Wednesday.

A tweet from ITVX today said: "Thank you for reaching out to us today. Hope you are well.

"Regarding your question about last night's Big Brother show, we have some news, it will be available to view later this evening.

"We apologise for the inconvenience caused by this but the wait will be worth it."

Watermelons have been a symbol of Palestinian nationalism dating back decades.

They have seen a resurgence during Israel’s ongoing war with Hamas in Gaza.

The fruit is linked with Palestinian activism because their colours - red, black, white and green - match the colours of the Palestinian flag.

That symbol became widespread during the decades when Israel banned the waving of the Palestinian flag in Gaza and the West Bank.

Actress Jennifer Garner’s daughter wore a sweatshirt with the watermelon cut into the shape of a map earlier this year.

The group StopAntisemitism took offence at the map - meant to display the shape of Palestine - saying that it “erases the entire country of Israel,” envisioning a Palestinian state in the territory that now encompasses Israel, the West Bank and Gaza.

Before Big Brother, Ali said she was looking forward to "just being away and thrown into a totally new environment, completely different to anything I’ve done before, completely different to anything I’ll ever do in the future".

She said: "I think the fact that I’m a forensic psychologist will surprise people.

"It’s not your everyday, typical nine-to-five office job. It’s quite difficult, it’s quite demanding, and I work in highly stressful situations."

She continued: "But I’m quite chilled and probably don’t look like the sort of person who can hold my own – in a prison, for example."

Last week, Big Brother sparked a furore when narrator Marcus Bentley announced: “Daze and Khaled are in the bedroom discussing Palestine.”

The production team was accused of prejudices as the duo were in reality discussing Israel and the wider Middle East when Daze said:

“Actually, if you, like, boil it down, no one should be killed like this. It’s, like, not OK, regardless of the situation.”

The Sun has approached Big Brother for comment.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/tv/31268053/big-brother-anti-semitism-housemate-shirt-israel-watermelon/amp/

[Niamh.]

I thought it was a water melon [emoji525]

[Maru]

Me too, it looks tasty

[Swan]

Not racist at all = Queen!

[MTVN]

I see the problem now, the melon is in the shape of Israel so is representing the erasure of Israel by Palestine

[GoldHeart]

Not racist at all = Queen!

:joker:

I think they're stretching about the t shirt, she's a very unpleasant person though.

[Kate!]

Ffs. It's a t shirt with a pic of a watermelon on it. The majority of people won't even think about any negative connotations? It'll surely just be taken at face value. What a hoo har over nothing.

Absolutely ridiculous.

[Swan]

:joker:

I think they're stretching about the t shirt, she's a very unpleasant person though.

As long as you're on the right team and all that :bored:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just when you could not dislike this moron anymore

:facepalm:

[Niamh.]

I see the problem now, the melon is in the shape of Israel so is representing the erasure of Israel by PalestineWent right over my head

[Cherie]

so that is why yesterdays ep is not available to view...

[Jordan.]

Need to see BB confiscating it like Pete Burns gorilla coat

[Liam-]

What a waste of time and energy

[_Tom_]

Surely they checked their clothes before they went in?

[GoldHeart]

so that is why yesterdays ep is not available to view...

Omg just checked, it's still not available :shocked::fist: .

[Cherie]

Omg just checked, it's still not available :shocked::fist: .

it will go back up hang in there GH

[Lostie!]

So she's now been accused of both Zionism and antisemitism

[GoldHeart]

So she's now been accused of both Zionism and antisemitism

For what it's worth I don't think she's racist , but I think she has a big problem with men...and that is my opinion .I know you may not agree with it .

[Swan]

So she's now been accused of both Zionism and antisemitism

Racism only works one way it seems. It's fine to hate a demographic of people you don't agree with, but as long as they're on your side, its cool.

As Hannah (black Muslim) would say - "progression innit blud"

You people are revolting!

[Liam-]

So she's now been accused of both Zionism and antisemitism

The level of hatred aimed at her for simply existing and daring to tell a man she thinks he’s fake (which he is) it’s screaming misogyny

[Swan]

The level of hatred aimed at her for simply existing and daring to tell a man she thinks he’s fake (which he is) it’s screaming misogyny

Disgusting how you're all singling out a Muslim man. He's done nothing wrong. Feel free to post what he's actually done wrong in the house? Show us instances of him being "fake".

[Lostie!]

Racism only works one way it seems. It's fine to hate a demographic of people you don't agree with, but as long as they're on your side, its cool.

As Hannah (black Muslim) would say - "progression innit blud"

You people are revolting!

Alrighty then

[Cherie]

The level of hatred aimed at her for simply existing and daring to tell a man she thinks he’s fake (which he is) it’s screaming misogyny

You hated Ryan with a passion because he had an opinion :laugh: get off the high horse

[Swan]

Alrighty then

Yeah, truth never warrants a challenging, point proven response. Glenn proved this earlier.

So hypocritical.

[bots]

can't defend that

[Redway]

Just when you could not dislike this moron anymore

:facepalm:

I know you’re just looking for another reason to dislike Ali but now’s not the time to pretend you-know-what.

[Niamh.]

So she's now been accused of both Zionism and antisemitismOhhhh [emoji23] that's very true

[GoldHeart]

You hated Ryan with a passion because he had an opinion :laugh: get off the high horse

It's ridiculous how Ryan wasn't given a chance, just because of a little thing he said in his VT. Anyone would think he confessed to punching kittens in the face & spitting on old aged pensioners....the level of disgust people had for him.

which ironically proved his point,and they don't even realise it :joker: :crazy:, we definitely live in a hyper sensitive society these days.

And as I've said before , previous housemates have said far worse extreme things in their VT...which today would reject them from even getting picked as a housemate ,as they'd be lynched before they made it to the house entrance.

[Swan]

Ohhhh [emoji23] that's very true

She is though, through her political statements

[bots]

you don't wear a top like that, at this time, without knowing exactly what it means

[GoldHeart]

you don't wear a top like that, at this time, without knowing exactly what it means

Well Ali is all about making statements for attention, I don't think she's racist... she's just very desperate to be seen as some type of 'SJW' . And anyone who has a different opinion to her is the enemy.

[bots]

Well Ali is all about making statements for attention, I don't think she's racist... she's just very desperate to be seen as some type of 'SJW' . And anyone who has a different opinion to her is the enemy.

If she is wearing that top, she is racist

[Jessica.]

The watermelon represents the colours of the Palestinian flag. ������

[Kate!]

If she is wearing that top, she is racist

Rubbish.

[Beso]

Rubbish.

Makes her a supporter of racists :shrug:

[Jordan.]

1849194599421497679

:skull:

[Kate!]

Makes her a supporter of racists :shrug:

No it flipping well doesn't? She most likely just thought, in all innocence, that it was just a pretty t shirt. As I would if I saw it in a shop.

Fgs.

[Beso]

No it flipping well doesn't? She most likely just thought, in all innocence, that it was just a pretty t shirt. As I would if I saw it in a shop.

Fgs.

Of course she did. :joker

[Kate!]

Of course she did. :joker

You don't know that's not the case?

[Beso]

You don't know that's not the case?

Ok, you win.

[Jessica.]

It's not antisemitic though, it's just an item of clothing in support of Palestine, you can hate genocide without bringing religion into it.

[GlitterUK]

There bags should be checked before hand so someone must be getting fired. Probably someone who just saw a fruit and that was it.

[joeysteele]

Good heavens she must be the devil incarnate.
Gone from Zionist to being anti-Semitic to being racist.

What utter nonsense.

[Mystic Mock]

I know that Ali is a bit loopy politically imo.

But she has the right to express her views on the Show, I don't know who these people think they are trying to tell the Show to basically stop her from expressing her views.

We are in a country that's meant to allow freedom of speech, including speech that you don't like.

[Mitchell]

you can hate genocide without bringing religion into it.

Completely and utterly this, Ali DEFINITELY knew that the T shirt supported victims of a genocide, and good for her!

[BBUKAUSFAN]

So you are all here for Israel bombing innocent people in Gaza?
Noted.

Ali the queen you are.

[Mystic Mock]

It's ridiculous how Ryan wasn't given a chance, just because of a little thing he said in his VT. Anyone would think he confessed to punching kittens in the face & spitting on old aged pensioners....the level of disgust people had for him.

which ironically proved his point,and they don't even realise it :joker: :crazy:, we definitely live in a hyper sensitive society these days.

And as I've said before , previous housemates have said far worse extreme things in their VT...which today would reject them from even getting picked as a housemate ,as they'd be lynched before they made it to the house entrance.

I 100% agree.

I liked Ryan, and what he said in his VT wasn't even that bad.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Makes her a supporter of racists :shrug:

I suppose that could be said if she was supporting Israel as well tbf.

At least she weren't wearing clothing with the Hamas flag on it.

[Mystic Mock]

1849194599421497679

:skull:

I despise censorship.

[GoldHeart]

I know that Ali is a bit loopy politically imo.

But she has the right to express her views on the Show, I don't know who these people think they are trying to tell the Show to basically stop her from expressing her views.

We are in a country that's meant to allow freedom of speech, including speech that you don't like.

Exactly and I can't even stand Ali.

The Ryan spoon comment, just shows you're not allowed to say anything these days. I'll be honest ...I didn't even see her t-shirt as anything political/ controversial ,it just looked like a watermelon,I've seen a ton of watermelon design in clothing which are innocent enough. But the problem now is ...is wearing a watermelon now seen as some secret political statement? :rolleyes: .

In Ali's case she's known to do this ...as she will likely be very 'pro Palestine' , but maybe the outrage wouldn't have been the same if another housemate wore that same t-shirt.

BB producer's removing the episode from ITVX was OTT .

[Mystic Mock]

Exactly and I can't even stand Ali.

The Ryan spoon comment, just shows you're not allowed to say anything these days. I'll be honest ...I didn't even see her t-shirt as anything political/ controversial ,it just looked like a watermelon,I've seen a ton of watermelon design in clothing which are innocent enough. But the problem now is ...is wearing a watermelon now seen as some secret political statement? :rolleyes: .

In Ali's case she's known to do this ...as she will likely be very 'pro Palestine' , but maybe the outrage wouldn't have been the same if another housemate wore that same t-shirt.

BB producer's removing the episode from ITVX was OTT .

I 100% agree with everything that you've said.

I also didn't know the Watermelon T-Shirt was a reference to the Israel versus Palestine conflict either.:laugh:

[Ammi]

…as he says, I don’t know how long this will stay up…(…or if the vid has been posted…)…but shows a clip of the unedited footage with Ali wearing the t shirt and then with the t shirt watermelon image blacked out…


NIqousLzaD0


…it does seem odd to take it off air to edit out, essentially censor when the whole concept is BigBrother …but then they do and have always censored content, haven’t they…

[Ammi]

Exactly and I can't even stand Ali.

The Ryan spoon comment, just shows you're not allowed to say anything these days. I'll be honest ...I didn't even see her t-shirt as anything political/ controversial ,it just looked like a watermelon,I've seen a ton of watermelon design in clothing which are innocent enough. But the problem now is ...is wearing a watermelon now seen as some secret political statement? :rolleyes: .

In Ali's case she's known to do this ...as she will likely be very 'pro Palestine' , but maybe the outrage wouldn't have been the same if another housemate wore that same t-shirt.

BB producer's removing the episode from ITVX was OTT .


…tbf, though …it isn’t a ‘secret’ political statement even though many of us might not have been aware of it…Im not commenting on her own views with regard to the subject …only that if I start to type in ‘watermelon t shirt…’…the search immediately connects Palestine …

[GoldHeart]

…as he says, I don’t know how long this will stay up…(…or if the vid has been posted…)…but shows a clip of the unedited footage with Ali wearing the t shirt and then with the t shirt watermelon image blacked out…


NIqousLzaD0


…it does seem odd to take it off air to edit out, essentially censor when the whole concept is BigBrother …but then they do and have always censored content, haven’t they…


It's just really bizarre how a watermelon t-shirt can cause this much controversy. I wonder if BB have secretly said anything to Ali , censoring it is a bit much.

[Ammi]

It's just really bizarre how a watermelon t-shirt can cause this much controversy. I wonder if BB have secretly said anything to Ali , censoring it is a bit much.

…I’m just googling because I wasn’t aware of any political connection as I don’t think any or many of us would be…this is a wiki page that came up…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermelon_(Palestinian_symbol)#:~:text=The%20wate rmelon%20(South%20Levantine%20Arabic,occupation%20 of%20the%20Palestinian%20territories.

[GoldHeart]

…tbf, though …it isn’t a ‘secret’ political statement even though many of us might not have been aware of it…Im not commenting on her own views with regard to the subject …only that if I start to type in ‘watermelon t shirt…’…the search immediately connects Palestine …

I honestly did not know about the politics connotations / symbolism,as I've seen so many casual watermelon designs on everything & not just t-shirts,but kids stuff . It was something I never gave a thought to , It just passively went by me , like a SpongeBob squepants PJ
set or something.

[GoldHeart]

…I’m just googling because I wasn’t aware of any political connection as I don’t think any or many of us would be…this is a wiki page that came up…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watermelon_(Palestinian_symbol)#:~:text=The%20wate rmelon%20(South%20Levantine%20Arabic,occupation%20 of%20the%20Palestinian%20territories.

Yeah I was just googling about it aswell, I've learnt something new . And I can see it in full details now.

[Ammi]

I honestly did not know about the politics connotations / symbolism,as I've seen so many casual watermelon designs on everything & not just t-shirts,but kids stuff . It was something I never gave a thought to , It just passively went by me , like a SpongeBob squepants PJ
set or something.

…I guess for anyone who was aware of a connection with watermelon then they may be drawn to it in terms of the shape as well and realised immediately…but not so for anyone who wasn’t aware because all we would see is a watermelon on a t shirt which in itself has no political slant at all…it’s the shape that’s the indicator, isn’t it…

[Niamh.]

No it flipping well doesn't? She most likely just thought, in all innocence, that it was just a pretty t shirt. As I would if I saw it in a shop.



Fgs.Nah, she's already said she wants to get into activism and it isn't the first t shirt with some sort of message like that on it.

[Niamh.]

It's not antisemitic though, it's just an item of clothing in support of Palestine, you can hate genocide without bringing religion into it.Agree with this but also see why ITV felt like they had to censor it, I don't think its right to censor people but they probably don't want to look like they're promoting either side and cause up roar. Tbf though the fact that they are doing that probably helped promote the message more as I think for a lot of people the t shirt wouldn't even have registered ( me included) now we all know what it means [emoji23]

[vesavius]

I am just amazed at the range of performative protest tee shirts this woman has. She is the type of superficial Guardian reading dupe that changes her facebook profile every month to the current thing in order to signal to her chums what a great person she is.

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[Jessica.]

I am just amazed at the range of performative protest tee shirts this woman has. She is the type of superficial Guardian reading idiot that changes her facebook profile every month to the current thing in order to signal to her chums what a great person she is.

https://i.postimg.cc/XvjnyfcH/raf-360x360-075-t-fafafa-ca443f4786-u1.jpg (https://postimages.org/)image upload software (https://postimages.org/app)

Her only other t-shirt with a message was supporting transgender people, I don't see how that makes her look performative. She wants to be on the correct side of history.

[Nicky91]

LOL

some people are so easily triggered

[Cherie]

I didn't think the issue was the melon itself but that it was done as a map of Israel which would signify Israel being wiped out, look if Jews found it anti semetic who are we to judge, if I saw something that as anti Irish I would imagine many people who are not Irish would not have an issue with it

[Mystic Mock]

I didn't think the issue was the melon itself but that it was done as a map of Israel which would signify Israel being wiped out, look if Jews found it anti semetic who are we to judge, if I saw something that as anti Irish I would imagine many people who are not Irish would not have an issue with it

Controversially though (and I'm not just saying this to be nasty towards the Jewish) but every group/community it feels like is looking for any excuse to be offended by something these days.

This from Ali is pretty tame, especially compared to the Nazi & Hamas loving people that are in our society.

[Beso]

Shes just your typical virtual signalling lefty.

[Ammi]

…apparently this garnered controversy not long ago, I’m not sure if that was when the meaning became more known …/…I don’t follow social media or celebrity stuff so I wasn’t familiar with this when it gained media attention…

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[Cherie]

Controversially though (and I'm not just saying this to be nasty towards the Jewish) but every group/community it feels like is looking for any excuse to be offended by something these days.

This from Ali is pretty tame, especially compared to the Nazi & Hamas loving people that are in our society.

weelll I think if you are sporting a tshirt that promotes a whole nation being wiped out then Jews have a right to be offended dont you think? if it were the other way round and she was wearing a tshirt that promoted Palestine being wiped out dont you think they would have a case to be offended? Many Israelis do not support Netanyahu they dont deserve to be wiped out?


Thats like saying during the Iraq war which most Britons didnt agree with that the UK should have been wiped out ...no?

[Ammi]

…whatever someone’s beliefs that they hold, it’s something they hold in their mind and in their heart and not on their clothing…I mean the only statement that really makes is that rather than think of donating to something that they believe in, they’ll donate to a clothing manufacturer and does that manufacturers hold the same ethics as them also…?…anyway, I just in general don’t get the need to either buy or wear a political slogan t shirt because I suspect so many are made for profit and not for belief reasons…

[Cherie]

…whatever someone’s beliefs that they hold, it’s something they hold in their mind and in their heart and not on their clothing…I mean the only statement that really makes is that rather than think of donating to something that they believe in, they’ll donate to a clothing manufacturer and does that manufacturers hold the same ethics as them also…?…anyway, I just in general don’t get the need to either buy or wear a political slogan t shirt because I suspect so many are made for profit and not for belief reasons…

I agree Ammi

although in my youth I had a T shirt that said

'For Fox Sake, Stop the Hunt'

which I was very proud of :laugh:

[arista]

Remove the T-Shirt
from the show.


Problem Solved

[arista]

[The fruit is linked with Palestinian activism
because their colours - red, black, white and green - match
the colours of the Palestinian flag.]

[arista]

Ali is a Sneak

[Jessica.]

I don't know anyone who supports Palestine that wants to wipe out Israel, where are people getting that idea? We just want a ceasefire.

[Ammi]

I agree Ammi

although in my youth I had a T shirt that said

'For Fox Sake, Stop the Hunt'

which I was very proud of :laugh:

…and did it stop the hunt…?…I expect it did…:laugh:…

[Cherie]

…and did it stop the hunt…?…I expect it did…:laugh:…

in its tracks :laugh:

[arista]

I don't know anyone who supports Palestine that wants to wipe out Israel, where are people getting that idea? We just want a ceasefire.


Loads support Palestine,


Ali took that T-Shirt in
knowing full well it is a Political
and illegal.

[vesavius]

I don't know anyone who supports Palestine that wants to wipe out Israel, where are people getting that idea? We just want a ceasefire.

Maybe it's the chants of "from the river to the sea" at the protests, among other things?

Look, no one is saying all pro Palestine people are saying it, but let's not pretend that none are.

[arista]

Me too, it looks tasty


It is
but also the colors of the Enemy's Flag.

[Jessica.]

Maybe it's the chants of "from the ocean to the sea" at the protests, among other things?

Look, no one is saying all pro Palestine people are saying it, but let's not pretend that none are.

Palestine being free doesn't mean Israelis won't be, it's always been a place where many different peoples coexisted and it should be again.

[vesavius]

Palestine being free doesn't mean Israelis won't be, it's always been a place where many different peoples coexisted and it should be again.

From the river to the sea explicitly means the erasure of the Israeli state.

Look, I have no skin in the fight there either way, my general view is get the kids out that are being used as human shields and let the two bronze age zealot cults have at it, but I do expect people to be honest when discussing it.

[Jessica.]

From the river to the sea explicitly means the erasure of the Israeli state.

Look, I have no skin in the fight there either way, my general view is get the kids out that are being used as human shields and let the two bronze age zealot cults have at it, but I do expect people to be honest when discussing it.

Palestine has no weapons, food, resources, nothing, it's not an equal fight. People are eating tins of cat food.

[vesavius]

Palestine has no weapons, food, resources, nothing, it's not an equal fight. People are eating tins of cat food.

I didn't say it was equal. I see that you swerved acknowledging the meaning of 'from the river to the sea though'.

You are aware of the breadth of the conflict though and the mass attacks on Israel?

TBC, I am not pro Israel at all, I actually dislike zionism a lot, but I do think that we need to cut through the noise to have a proper discussion about it and that means being honest about both sides.

Can I ask, how do you balance your views on trans rights against the chronic state of LGBT rights within Palestine?

[vesavius]

Ali wasn't, by her own words, aware of the significance of the iconography that she chose to wear on national TV.

Says it all really. Uninformed just enough education to be dangerous people waving flags because it's the current thing never ends well.

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[ThomasC]

I didn't say it was equal. I see that you swerved acknowledging the meaning of 'from the river to the sea though'.

You are aware of the breadth of the conflict though and the mass attacks on Israel?

TBC, I am not pro Israel at all, I actually dislike zionism a lot, but I do think that we need to cut through the noise to have a proper discussion about it and that means being honest about both sides.

Can I ask, how do you balance your views on trans rights against the chronic state of LGBT rights within Palestine?

This isn't the place for such discussions.

Why don't you take it to serious debates?

[vesavius]

This isn't the place for such discussions.

Why don't you take it to serious debates?

The thread is clearly about this discussion. This discussion is surely what Ali wanted to create by wearing it? The discussion being had is directly related to the show.

Police someone else, I'm not interested.

[arista]

This isn't the place for such discussions.

Why don't you take it to serious debates?


You Are Wrong


Ali
went Political Illegal

[vesavius]

You Are Wrong


Ali
went Political Illegal

The whole season was set up to be political.. From Nathan to Khaled to Daze to Ali... Some suggesting we can't have discussions here around those issues is missing half the show as intended by the producers is ridiculous.

Can I just say here also that the production team examine all the clothing of the HMs before they go in. They allowed the shirt to go through and they allowed it to be shown on screen. This was all intentional.

[arista]

Palestine has no weapons, food, resources, nothing, it's not an equal fight. People are eating tins of cat food.


Yes Jess
it is terrible, a living hell


Ch4HDnews 7PM every night.


But The Terrorists, Hamas
who run that nation
Murdered thousands of peaceful Jews
on Oct 7th last year.



Ali knows what she did

[Kate!]

I fully believe Ali.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Palestine has no weapons, food, resources, nothing, it's not an equal fight. People are eating tins of cat food.

Stop reading propaganda

[Beso]

Palestine has no weapons, food, resources, nothing, it's not an equal fight. People are eating tins of cat food.

That's cause their dead ex leader and his wife and all their cronies have been hiding down tunnels with all the money for months upon months..


Lovely caring people so they are!

[Jessica.]

Yes Jess
it is terrible, a living hell


Ch4HDnews 7PM every night.


But The Terrorists, Hamas
who run that nation
Murdered thousands of peaceful Jews
on Oct 7th last year.



Ali knows what she did

Hamas are just a drop in the water compared to the average Palestinian though, innocent people should be spared but even schools and hospitals have been destroyed with people in them and Hamas not involved.

[ebandit]

Shes just your typical virtual signalling lefty.

if ali had any strength of conviction she woulda done a 'hanah' 'n replied sorry! BB i'm wearing the tee.........

self proclaimed 'activist' not aware of political message?

Mark L

[Livia]

I suspect this tee shirt was worn with no political conviction at all. So many people making tenuous political statements on the Israel/Hamas conflict don't know the first thing about the conflict.

[ThomasC]

The thread is clearly about this discussion. This discussion is surely what Ali wanted to create by wearing it? The discussion being had is directly related to the show.

Police someone else, I'm not interested.

I can't stop discussions I just suggested because it then turns away from Ali wearing the t shirt to the actual war itself. It's a rabbit hole

You Are Wrong


Ali
went Political Illegal

Ok.......

[ThomasC]

I suspect this tee shirt was worn with no political conviction at all. So many people making tenuous political statements on the Israel/Hamas conflict don't know the first thing about the conflict.

Yeah I think you could be right.

I know very little and it dates back a long time that it's complicated.

[Niamh.]

She is though, through her political statements

The post I quoted is saying she's been accused of being both Muslim hating and Jew hating though

[vesavius]

I suspect this tee shirt was worn with no political conviction at all. So many people making tenuous political statements on the Israel/Hamas conflict don't know the first thing about the conflict.

While I agree that she has no political convictions past performatively showing her chums that she is on the 'right side of history', she was doubtless well aware of the significance of the symbol, as were the BB production team.

[Niamh.]

While I agree that she has no political convictions past performatively showing her chums that she is on the 'right side of history', she was doubtless well aware of the significance of the symbol, as were the BB production team.

She definitely was. I'll admit it went right over my head but Ali has openly said she wants to get into activism so I'm quite sure she knew what the symbol meant politically

[vesavius]

I can't stop discussions

I know.

[ThomasC]

I know.

Good lad

[vesavius]

Good lad

something something *insert last word*

[Livia]

I agree she knew what the symbolism was and that it would be provocative. That doesn't mean she has a clue about what she's supporting, or why.

[MTVN]

I mean this discussion just shows why ITV had to edit it. A lot of people are complaining about them censoring things or being cowardly etc. but ultimately they're a major broadcaster with a reputation to protect and guidelines to follow. That has to come above all else really and regardless of your views on the conflict it's not a hill worth dying on for ITV

[Crimson Dynamo]

I agree she knew what the symbolism was and that it would be provocative. That doesn't mean she has a clue about what she's supporting, or why.
She is just bangwaggoning

What is worrying is I get that a misguided 20 year old student would do it but a 40 year old women? :umm2:

She has shown countless times she is not the full shilling

[arista]

She is just bangwaggoning

What is worrying is I get that a misguided 20 year old student would do it but a 40 year old women? :umm2:

She has shown countless times she is not the full shilling


Yes Trouble Maker


She knew full well
when she took that political T-shirt in.

[Zizu]

Just when you could not dislike this moron anymore

:facepalm:


I’m sure you will find a way


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[GoldHeart]

I mean this discussion just shows why ITV had to edit it. A lot of people are complaining about them censoring things or being cowardly etc. but ultimately they're a major broadcaster with a reputation to protect and guidelines to follow. That has to come above all else really and regardless of your views on the conflict it's not a hill worth dying on for ITV

I've noticed ITV care more about reputation than BBC.

[GlitterUK]

Controversial t shirts -= more airtime/scandal/press
Really ironic her wearing that and the person she hasn't bothered to get to know is Palestinian.

[Mystic Mock]

weelll I think if you are sporting a tshirt that promotes a whole nation being wiped out then Jews have a right to be offended dont you think? if it were the other way round and she was wearing a tshirt that promoted Palestine being wiped out dont you think they would have a case to be offended? Many Israelis do not support Netanyahu they dont deserve to be wiped out?


Thats like saying during the Iraq war which most Britons didnt agree with that the UK should have been wiped out ...no?

To me it's a T-Shirt, a horrible one that I personally don't agree with Ali on.

But I do think that she is entitled to wear it without the Jewish community (or anyone for that matter) calling for censorship or her removal from the Show.

I am a big freedom of speech advocate, it would have to take something exceptionally extreme to break my motto on this, and there are a few things out there that can break my motto.

Because to me there's a difference between being offended by something, and complaining about it to a point ITV decides to censor the segment.

[Mystic Mock]

I don't know anyone who supports Palestine that wants to wipe out Israel, where are people getting that idea? We just want a ceasefire.

It's the Hamas supporters that pretend to be Palestine supporters that some people are thinking of I believe.

Because unfortunately, Hamas has hijacked this conflict unfortunately, which doesn't help matters between the two countries.

[Mystic Mock]

I mean this discussion just shows why ITV had to edit it. A lot of people are complaining about them censoring things or being cowardly etc. but ultimately they're a major broadcaster with a reputation to protect and guidelines to follow. That has to come above all else really and regardless of your views on the conflict it's not a hill worth dying on for ITV

There's rare excuses for censorship, and imo this isn't one of them.

[arista]

LBC is going to debate
Ali's T-Shirt in the next hour

[Lostie!]

Controversial t shirts -= more airtime/scandal/press
Really ironic her wearing that and the person she hasn't bothered to get to know is Palestinian.

I've seen this said online a few times and it's a bizarre mindset. She supports Palestine which means she has to get along with any and every Palestinian person she meets, otherwise her stance is insincere? That's an absolute reach.

[Beso]

She would probably allow your children's genitals to be mutilated as well if she had her way.

[BBXX]

I've seen this said online a few times and it's a bizarre mindset. She supports Palestine which means she has to get along with any and every Palestinian person she meets, otherwise her stance is insincere? That's an absolute reach.

Didn't you know? As someone who supports gay rights I have to like every single gay person I meet otherwise my support means nothing. That's how this works :laugh: