Why oh why do Labour think it's remotely acceptable to send 100 volunteers.....

[Kate!]

.....To support Kamala Harris. Political bloody bias. They should be obliged to remain neutral? Surely?
Do you think it's right, or very very wrong?

Also apparently some people are calling Trump deranged! Well I just watched an interview with Kamala and she was laughing so hard and so manically I thought she was going to cough up a lung. She was incoherent. I think she's a total fruit loop. Do you think she's fit to run America?

Post your opinions here.

[Kate!]

Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer has played down the significance of alleged interference by the Labour Party in the US presidential election.

The Trump campaign has filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission in Washington seeking an immediate investigation into alleged "blatant foreign interference".

Sir Keir, who met Trump last month, said party staff going to the US to campaign for Democratic candidate Kamala Harris were volunteers "doing it in their spare time" and staying with other volunteers.

Environment Secretary Steve Reed told the BBC the Labour Party had not funded or organised their trips, while Deputy Prime Minister Angela Rayner also insisted the activists had been campaigning "in their own time".

[Glenn.]

Yes she’s very fit to run America.

Trump is deranged. His supporters are deranged. Anyone who disagrees with that id deranged.

[Liam-]

So Labour didn’t send people to campaign for Kamala then, got it, now let’s talk about Farage following Trump around America like a leech rather than doing his actual job.

Also, yes, Trump is severely deranged, a woman who laughs is a the vastly superior choice to somebody who rambles like a cuckoo in an old folks home

[Liam-]

Yes she’s very fit to run America.

Trump is deranged. His supporters are deranged. Anyone who disagrees with that id deranged.

Yep, although I will say, a lot of Trump fans love him because he’s deranged and horrifically racist

[bots]

The USA have been interfering in UK politics, indeed global politics for years. Trump has been interfering in USA politics, inviting world leaders to talks when he doesnt represent the current administration. That most certainly is against the law in America

[Beso]

Could probaly only find 100 likeable ones.

[Jessica.]

Kamala is likely to win.

[joeysteele]

As to all Parties it's been the case for ages.
Labour sent NO ONE to the States.
It's individuals who have chosen to go.

It's happened with members of the Cons too.
Not MPs or elected representatives.
Just the same here .

Nothing from ANY governnents immaterial of Party.

However what about Farage now an elected MP to parliament going over and helping his friend Trump get elected.

Or is he admired for that while other Party supporters or even members get vilified
Farage from the UK has gone to the USA for I understand all of the elections Trump has fought.

Personally I wouldn't go, who'd want to be in the ridiculous circus of the USA politics.
However whatever the reasons, I'd hope the Democrats win the USA election but I really feel Trump will win.

This thread however is insulting.
Neither Labour or the Cons in government or opposition have sent elected representatives to the USA at elections.
Contrast that with Farage and Reform.

[joeysteele]

Furthermore, this has gone on for decades anyhow.
The thread title is NOT fact, Labour sent NO one to the USA.
Just as the Cons never have either.

Betty Boothroyd, successful Labour MP and first female speaker of the Commons.

Was a Labour member and candidate in general elections.
However not elected until later.
She in 1960 went independently to the USA to canvass for John Kennedy.

Are people so ignorant of politics they can't make their own minds up instead of just always believing the trash and misleading agenda called news by the media.

I note the silence that it appears it's fine for an elected leader of Reform in Farage to go and support Trump though.
How hypocritical.

[Kate!]

Re Sofia Patel.

She invited Labour staffers to contact her at the email address “labourforkamala@gmail.com” and told volunteers that Labour will be providing housing while the operatives campaign for Harris in the U.S.

The Labour Party head of operations did not specify whether the program is an official Labour Party initiative and did not provide details on exactly how volunteers will be helping the Harris campaign — or who’s paying for it all.

She also failed to mention whether they will be coordinating directly with the Harris campaign.

The Maine Wire reached out to the email address provided, requesting details on the program, but Patel did not respond.

In addition to deleting the post, Patel appears to have removed her entire LinkedIn account.

The Labour initiative quickly drew outrage from many on the U.K.’s right.

[joeysteele]

I'm adding this question.
Is it reasonable for ANY supporter, member of or elected representative of ANY UK political Party to go to the USA to support any candidates there.

Of ALL the Parties of the UK that is.
Not just one.

[Kate!]

Here's what Keir said.

Asked if the complaint risked jeopardising his relationship with Trump if he becomes president again, the prime minister said: “No. I spent time in New York with President Trump, had dinner with him and my purpose in doing that was to make sure that between the two of us we established a good relationship, which we did, and we’re grateful for him for making the time.”

“We had a good, constructive discussion and, of course as prime minister of the United Kingdom I will work with whoever the American people return as their president in their elections which are very close now.”

The complaint cited a now-deleted LinkedIn post by Labour’s head of operations, which said almost 100 current and former party officials were travelling to the US to campaign for the Democrats in swing states including North Carolina, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Virginia. The post added that there were 10 spots still available and promised that “we will sort your housing”.

[joeysteele]

Here's what Keir said.

Asked if the complaint risked jeopardising his relationship with Trump if he becomes president again, the prime minister said: “No. I spent time in New York with President Trump, had dinner with him and my purpose in doing that was to make sure that between the two of us we established a good relationship, which we did, and we’re grateful for him for making the time.”

“We had a good, constructive discussion and, of course as prime minister of the United Kingdom I will work with whoever the American people return as their president in their elections which are very close now.”

The complaint cited a now-deleted LinkedIn post by Labour’s head of operations, which said almost 100 current and former party officials were travelling to the US to campaign for the Democrats in swing states including North Carolina, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Virginia. The post added that there were 10 spots still available and promised that “we will sort your housing”.

So.

Where does he say they were sent by Labour.

The complainant is Trump's team
Who have also cited the Russians as interference too.

He'll be blaming half the World if he loses again just like he did in 2020

What on earth does your post above prove.
Plus having somewhere to stay doesn't mean paying for it.
It's not from the Labour Party.
It's organised by individuals acting independently.

You just keep pedalling this nonsense while leaving your thread title that the Labour party sent them.
Utter nonsense and I'll say again disgraceful.

[Kate!]

It absolutely is from the Labour Party

It was Labour's Head Of Operations Sofia Patel who said it.

Here.....

The complaint cited a now-deleted LinkedIn post by Labour’s head of operations, which said almost 100 current and former party officials were travelling to the US to campaign for the Democrats in swing states including North Carolina, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Virginia. The post added that there were 10 spots still available and promised that “we will sort your housing”.

[Viz]

I note the silence that it appears it's fine for an elected leader of Reform in Farage to go and support Trump though.


This is actually a very interesting point.

[Mystic Mock]

Kamala is likely to win.

I personally hope so.

Don't get me wrong, Trump can make me laugh with some of the batshit crazy things that he says, but I wouldn't want him to be running America again.

[joeysteele]

The USA have been interfering in UK politics, indeed global politics for years. Trump has been interfering in USA politics, inviting world leaders to talks when he doesnt represent the current administration. That most certainly is against the law in America

Hi bots.
I missed your post last night but want to say you are right.

Our Parties have sought the advice of American political strategists to advise our Parties at times too.
I listed Betty Boothroyd who went to help Kennedy in 1960


I could have gone this year but I actually don't like USA politics.
Ours is bad enough.
This has gone on for decades.

For me, as long as NO MP elected to the UK parliament go over, I see no problem.
Others even if in prominent positions as members, actng individually to go and give support is fine.

It looks to me that Trump and his paranoid team, are lining up excuses in case they lose again.
To blame any and everyone ANYWHERE for the loss.

I won't Labour my Farage point again but he is now an elected MP and leader of a Party.
Yet supporting Trump publicly and actively.
Which actually again I see nothing untoward about.
Since that's seen as domething that seems fine, then why this fuss against another Party?

This has gone on from all Parties both in opposition and in government.
I frankly wouldn't be bothered even if some funding was in place.
It's actually good in my view to get active experience of other political processes in elections.

I agree obviously with what you posted above though.

[joeysteele]

Kamala is likely to win.

I echo Mock Jessica.
I hope so too.

[joeysteele]

This is actually a very interesting point.

Thank you very much.

[arista]

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[joeysteele]

I personally hope so.

Don't get me wrong, Trump can make me laugh with some of the batshit crazy things that he says, but I wouldn't want him to be running America again.

I agree he can be funny albeit more deranged so.
Good grief he's complaining at our government possibly because he fears losing again.
Yet the Republicans in elections past have had support from political supporters from the UK in past USA elections too.

It's the title of this thread I am furious about.
In saying Labour SENT these people.
These are people immaterial of their status as members who are NOT elected and independently wanted to go by choice.
NOT sent by any Party.

Because the thread title is misleading in its format and question.
IN MY OPINION.
The opening post acting like both judge and jury too.

[Ammi]

As to all Parties it's been the case for ages.
Labour sent NO ONE to the States.
It's individuals who have chosen to go.

It's happened with members of the Cons too.
Not MPs or elected representatives.
Just the same here .

Nothing from ANY governnents immaterial of Party.

However what about Farage now an elected MP to parliament going over and helping his friend Trump get elected.

Or is he admired for that while other Party supporters or even members get vilified
Farage from the UK has gone to the USA for I understand all of the elections Trump has fought.

Personally I wouldn't go, who'd want to be in the ridiculous circus of the USA politics.
However whatever the reasons, I'd hope the Democrats win the USA election but I really feel Trump will win.

This thread however is insulting.
Neither Labour or the Cons in government or opposition have sent elected representatives to the USA at elections.
Contrast that with Farage and Reform.


…don’t any volunteers who go, go exactly as that…in their own time and at their own expense…I guess that it’s possibly like a work experience in experiencing part of the workings of another country election process…

[Kate!]

I agree he can be funny albeit more deranged so.
Good grief he's complaining at our government possibly because he fears losing again.
Yet the Republicans in elections past have had support from political supporters from the UK in past USA elections too.

It's the title of this thread I am furious about.
In saying Labour SENT these people.
These are people immaterial of their status as members who are NOT elected and independently wanted to go by choice.
NOT sent by any Party.

Because the thread title is misleading in its format and question.
IN MY OPINION.


Excuse me. The thread title is perfectly fine. It doesn't allege in any way that the volunteers got paid. Look again at where I quoted Sofia Patels statement on LinkedIn where she confirms 100 volunteers went out there and that they were offered housing for the duration. Oh hang on you can't check it, it's been deleted I think.

[Kate!]

Here it is again. To clarify.

The complaint cited a now-deleted LinkedIn post by Labour’s head of operations, which said almost 100 current and former party officials were travelling to the US to campaign for the Democrats in swing states including North Carolina, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Virginia. The post added that there were 10 spots still available and promised that “we will sort your housing”

It's clearly been deleted to try and cover up. In my opinion.

[joeysteele]

…don’t any volunteers who go, go exactly as that…in their own time and at their own expense…I guess that it’s possibly like a work experience in experiencing part of the workings of another country election process…

Yes exactly.
It's individuals by choice wanting to go.

No elected representatives just ordinary people who happen to be members of a Party.

It's happened for decades Ammi.
My fury is, no one has complained when it was from the Cons, or other Parties, Inc UKIP when it was UKIP.
Nor any complaint Farage, now leader of UKIP MK3 in Reform.

Yes you are right however, that is how it usually works.

[Oliver_W]

I note the silence that it appears it's fine for an elected leader of Reform in Farage to go and support Trump though.
How hypocritical.

Nige following his senpai around is a little different to sending scores of door-knockers to swing states.

[Kate!]

Yes exactly.
It's individuals by choice wanting to go.

No elected representatives just ordinary people who happen to be members of a Party.

It's happened for decades Ammi.
My fury is, no one has complained when it was from the Cons, or other Parties, Inc UKIP when it was UKIP.
Nor any complaint Farage, now leader of UKIP MK3 in Reform.

Yes you are right however, that is how it usually works.

The LinkedIn post says 100 current and former party officials. It was there in black and white till they conveniently deleted it.

[Glenn.]

It’s hilarious to watch someone be so indignant on a subject they have no idea about :joker:

[Kate!]

It’s hilarious to watch someone be so indignant on a subject they have no idea about :joker:

I have enough of an idea to be confident in what I have said.

[Kate!]

Nige following his senpai around is a little different to sending scores of door-knockers to swing states.

Correct Oliver.

[joeysteele]

Excuse me. The thread title is perfectly fine. It doesn't allege in any way that the volunteers got paid. Look again at where I quoted Sofia Patels statement on LinkedIn where she confirms 100 volunteers went out there and that they were offered housing for the duration. Oh hang on you can't check it, it's been deleted I think.

So what???
She's not an elected MP.

What she supports personally and independently is up to her asong as it's not illegal.
No matter the status as a member she's NOT an elected MP.
So what's your inference.

Either you are still insistent in your thread title that LABOUR SENT these people.
Which is absolutely misleading in that very wording.
Or you are also accusing that woman of wrongdoing from her personal position.

You, ONLY YOU made this thread and presented the title as fact.
I don't need to check it out, I could have gone myself and was tempted to as I'd do just about anything to not have Trump.back as President.

So had I actually gone over, just WHAT would you have been ACCUSING me of Kate.
When all Id have been doing is what YOUR Party leader has done in the last 3 elections for Trump.

[Mystic Mock]

I agree he can be funny albeit more deranged so.
Good grief he's complaining at our government possibly because he fears losing again.
Yet the Republicans in elections past have had support from political supporters from the UK in past USA elections too.

It's the title of this thread I am furious about.
In saying Labour SENT these people.
These are people immaterial of their status as members who are NOT elected and independently wanted to go by choice.
NOT sent by any Party.

Because the thread title is misleading in its format and question.
IN MY OPINION.
The opening post acting like both judge and jury too.

Oh, he is very deranged I agree with you on that.:laugh:

And I had a feeling that you were bothered by the title primarily.

[Mystic Mock]

Nige following his senpai around is a little different to sending scores of door-knockers to swing states.

Senpai? I like that term for Farage's view of Trump.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

So what???
She's not an elected MP.

What she supports personally and independently is up to her asong as it's not illegal.
No matter the status as a member she's NOT an elected MP.
So what's your inference.

Either you are still insistent in your thread title that LABOUR SENT these people.
Which is absolutely misleading in that very wording.
Or you are also accusing that woman of wrongdoing from her personal position.

You, ONLY YOU made this thread and presented the title as fact.
I don't need to check it out, I could have gone myself and was tempted to as I'd do just about anything to not have Trump.back as President.

So had I actually gone over, just WHAT would you have been ACCUSING me of Kate.
When all Id have been doing is what YOUR Party leader has done in the last 3 elections for Trump.

So Sofia Patel is not an MP?

I'm casual with my Politics, so I'm just trying to keep up.

[joeysteele]

The LinkedIn post says 100 current and former party officials. It was there in black and white till they conveniently deleted it.

What?
Officiais are not elected MPs !!!!!???

They have independent lives too.

There's no difference either to Farage going to help Trump get elected.
It's exactly the same thing.
Whether they're friends or not.
Plus he IS an elected MP and was also an Elected member of the European Parliament too.

I actually wouldn't personally object if MPs even went to support there anyhow.
So I'm.not even condemning Farage for doing so.
Unlike you with other Parties volunteers independently doing so.

[Kate!]

So what???
She's not an elected MP.

What she supports personally and independently is up to her asong as it's not illegal.
No matter the status as a member she's NOT an elected MP.
So what's your inference.

Either you are still insistent in your thread title that LABOUR SENT these people.
Which is absolutely misleading in that very wording.
Or you are also accusing that woman of wrongdoing from her personal position.

You, ONLY YOU made this thread and presented the title as fact.
I don't need to check it out, I could have gone myself and was tempted to as I'd do just about anything to not have Trump.back as President.

So had I actually gone over, just WHAT would you have been ACCUSING me of Kate.
When all Id have been doing is what YOUR Party leader has done in the last 3 elections for Trump.


She is the Head Of Operations. She's in a position of authority. She confirmed 100 current and former party officials had been dispatched.

You're being rather obtuse Joey. How many times should I quote her?

I wouldn't be ACCUSING you of anything. Yet again...my thread title and OP were posed.as questions? Why can't you seem to get this?

[Kate!]

What?
Officiais are not elected MPs !!!!!???

They have independent lives too.

There's no difference either to Farage going to help Trump get elected.
It's exactly the same thing.
Whether they're friends or not.
Plus he IS an elected MP and was also an Elected member of the European Parliament too.

I actually wouldn't personally object if MPs even went to support there anyhow.
So I'm.not even condemning Farage for doing so.
Unlike you with other Parties volunteers independently doing so.

Officials ARE representatives of the Labour Party. It does not look good for 100 of them to firmly endorse one candidate over another. It is interference. That's my point.

[Kate!]

Why then are Labour hellbent on these Officials door knocking for Kamala? Is it because she's a pushover and inconsistent in her policies? She seems to say whatever it takes to try and get the votes. Can she walk the walk? Doubt it. Labour dint want to have to deal with Trump, that's what it boils down to. IN MY OPINION.

[Mystic Mock]

Can we all agree that this is a bop.

xgDpimoywik

[joeysteele]

She is the Head Of Operations. She's in a position of authority. She confirmed 100 current and former party officials had been dispatched.

You're being rather obtuse Joey. How many times should I quote her?

I wouldn't be ACCUSING you of anything. Yet again...my thread title and OP were posed.as questions? Why can't you seem to get this?

So what'?

She still has her independent life and can do what she likes as long as it's legal.
Like the rest of us

Her work for LABOUR like with all other members, doesn't mean she cannot engage in personal and independent other activities.

Or have you something against this particular individual to still be insisting rather than her.
That it's Labour who sent these volunteers over.
The volunteers didn't go by their OWN choice.

You can quote her all you like.
That doesn't make your accusations against the Labour party anymore valid though in your thread title.

Why don't you ask.
Is it reasonable acceptable for Reform Leader to go to canvass for Trump in USA elections.
If you can't see the hypocrisy I hope others will.

[Viz]

The word "officials" keeps being used by disingenuous actors.

The wording was actually "100 Labour Party staff (current and former)". Nothing about "officials" that is somehow regurgitated. (Staff being butchers, bakers, candlestick makers)

Goes to show what misinformation does I suppose.

[Viz]

I made a cup of tea for Diane Abbott back in 2015. I suppose that makes me a "Labour Official" too according to this thread. :laugh:

[Kate!]

So what'?

She still has her independent life and can do what she likes as long as it's legal.
Like the rest of us

Her work for LABOUR like with all other members, doesn't mean she cannot engage in personal and independent other activities.

Or have you something against this particular individual to still be insisting rather than her.
That it's Labour who sent these volunteers over.
The volunteers didn't go by their OWN choice.

You can quote her all you like.
That doesn't make your accusations against the Labour party anymore valid though in your thread title.

Why don't you ask.
Is it reasonable acceptable for Reform Leader to go to canvass for Trump in USA elections.
If you can't see the hypocrisy I hope others will.


It isn't hypocrisy. Like Oliver said there's a world of difference between Nigel helping Trump and 100 actual representatives going to doorknock for Kamala.

So if there's nothing wrong with that, how come there's an enquiry ongoing? It's interference.

[Glenn.]

What is the problem with people doing that in their own time?

[Kate!]

The word "officials" keeps being used by disingenuous actors.

The wording was actually "100 Labour Party staff (current and former)". Nothing about "officials" that is somehow regurgitated. (Staff being butchers, bakers, candlestick makers)

Goes to show what misinformation does I suppose.

Regardless of whether they are officials or staff they are STILL representative of the Labour Party and as such it is totally inappropriate for them to doorknock for Kamala. That's what's being investigated. That's the whole point of the thread.

[Kate!]

What is the problem with people doing that in their own time?

Because they are doing it in the capacity of being Labour representatives of course? It is just not right to endorse one particular candidate.

[Viz]

Regardless of whether they are officials or staff they are STILL representative of the Labour Party and as such it is totally inappropriate for them to doorknock for Kamala. That's what's being investigated. That's the whole point of the thread.

I don't think you understand what the difference is between claiming "100 Labour officials" (lol) and "100 current and former Labour staff" is in regards to this situation. If you are happy to learn the difference between those terms then I am happy to continue with the conversation.

[Oliver_W]

95AR87ciruc

Happier times.

[joeysteele]

Because they are doing it in the capacity of being Labour representatives of course? It is just not right to endorse one particular candidate.

Another misleading comment there.
They are not Labour representatives over there, they are there from their own choice.
That's a shocking slur on their efforts and free choice.

I can see why you support Trump.

The complainant is Trump and his team only.
How then is it really right in that case for a leader of a UK Party to endorse Trump in the same election.

If it's fine for him, it's fine for others.
Or would it not matter you if these volunteers had gone over WITH Farage to endorse and support Trump.
Would you have made this misleading thread on a public forum then in that case against Farage and Reform.

If anyone's not listening here Kate, it's certainly not me who isn't!!!

[Kate!]

I'm off now. What this boils down to is misplaced indignation that the Labour Party are being maligned. Talk about shooting the messenger. It's not me who is investigating them is it?

They are scrambling to try and cover up by deleting Sofia Patel's post.

[Kate!]

Oh behave Joey! Tell it to the investigation team not me. Where there's smoke there's fire.

[joeysteele]

I'm off now. What this boils down to is misplaced indignation that the Labour Party are being maligned. Talk about shooting the messenger. It's not me who is investigating them is it?

They are scrambling to try and cover up by deleting Sofia Patel's post.

You aren't the messenger.
You CHOSE from the messenger to be judge and jury and condemn a whole Party to what you in your opening post dictate as wrongdoing.

While choosing to dismiss others going to support the other side in the USA election.
Funny that.

That's not being a messenger, that's you taking a message and presenting it as fact.
In your thread title.

Any misplaced indignation is on your side more possibly.
My indignation is at your misleading thread title.
Certainly not misplaced indignation either.
Plus yes.
I'll condemn my Party when they're wrong and have done on other issues.
However I'll defend them against biased injustice at every turn.
Whether by publications, groups or individuals.

[Kate!]

You aren't the messenger.
You CHOSE from the messenger to be judge and jury and condemn a whole Party to what you in your opening post dictate as wrongdoing.

While choosing to dismiss others going to support the other side in the USA election.
Funny that.

That's not being a messenger, that's you taking a message and presenting it as fact.
In your thread title.

Any misplaced indignation is on your side more possibly.
My indignation is at your misleading thread title.
Certainly not misplaced indignation either.
Plus yes.
I'll condemn my Party when they're wrong and have done on other issues.
However I'll defend them against biased injustice at every turn.
Whether by publications, groups or individuals.

:rolleyes:

[joeysteele]

Oh behave Joey! Tell it to the investigation team not me. Where there's smoke there's fire.

Stop being so patronising.
I want nothing to do with Trump's team who are the only ones looking at this really.

Your thread is misleading

You are quick to pull up others for misleading issues.
Own this one, it's of your own making.
No one else's.

[Viz]

:clap1:

[Glenn.]

I mean you can’t explain it any better lmao

[Beso]

What is the problem with people doing that in their own time?

I wonder what would happen to their party membership if they went across to canvass for trump!

[Mystic Mock]

I wonder what would happen to their party membership if they went across to canvass for trump!

That would be a scandal I think if Labour were to do what you're thinking that they'd do in that scenario.

[Viz]

They are scrambling to try and cover up by deleting Sofia Patel's post.

The "covering up" you speak of is on the front page of the BBC. :conf:

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/800/cpsprodpb/1cb5/live/99d43880-912e-11ef-89ae-5575c76d98e6.png.webp

[Beso]

That would be a scandal I think if Labour were to do what you're thinking that they'd do in that scenario.

I think we both know exactly what that would do.

[Beso]

The "covering up" you speak of is on the front page of the BBC. :conf:

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/800/cpsprodpb/1cb5/live/99d43880-912e-11ef-89ae-5575c76d98e6.png.webp

Shes set it up then, as she is saying "she has 100 going"

Shes sorting out accommodation for them, she is head of labour party operations, so this must be a labour operation.


It's like N Korea sending troops to Russia

[Viz]

It's like N Korea sending troops to Russia
Is this a joke. If not then I want to say that they are not even remotely similar to what you've said here and it's misinformation

[Beso]

Is this a joke. If not then I want to say that they are not even remotely similar to what you've said here and it's misinformation

Both being sent to fight a battle they cant win...

[Viz]

Both being sent to fight a battle they cant win...

Okay so that tells me everything I need to know.

1. Putin rules Russia already
2. Trump is a presidential candidate and not the current president


What you are talking about is playground/late night pub politics from people who are uninformed

[Glenn.]

I wonder what would happen to their party membership if they went across to canvass for trump!

Well they have that right to do so…

It’s kinda the argument

[Beso]

Okay so that tells me everything I need to know.

1. Putin rules Russia already
2. Trump is a presidential candidate and not the current president


What you are talking about is playground/late night pub politics from people who are uninformed

Didnt take you long to revert to the typically lefty response of, I dont like or agree with what's said so I will switch to disregard and belittle person mode"

[Liam-]

Crying about people who volunteered, as in, didn’t get paid, to campaign for Labour, voluntarily going to America in their own spare time, to volunteer as door knockers for another party or politician they actively support, is the biggest nothing burger, useful idiots are just playing into Trumps hands so that he can have something to blame or fight against when he loses, it’s sad.

Also, was the Farage question ever answered? He’s an actual elected official representing the uk and he spent time he should have spent doing his actual job, to go out and follow Trump around doing his bidding and getting his belly rubbed, there is a striking difference and only those who don’t want to see it, won’t see it.

[Beso]

Have we found out if the free accommodation would be available for labour volunteers wanting to go out to canvass for trump?

Or indeed if their labour membership would still be intact on their return..

[Kate!]

Have we found out if the free accommodation would be available for labour volunteers wanting to go out to canvass for trump?

Or indeed if their labour membership would still be intact on their return..

Sometimes Parmy, just sometimes...I love you.

[Glenn.]

Why? What he said doesn’t back you up :joker:

[Glenn.]

Crying about people who volunteered, as in, didn’t get paid, to campaign for Labour, voluntarily going to America in their own spare time, to volunteer as door knockers for another party or politician they actively support, is the biggest nothing burger, useful idiots are just playing into Trumps hands so that he can have something to blame or fight against when he loses, it’s sad.

Also, was the Farage question ever answered? He’s an actual elected official representing the uk and he spent time he should have spent doing his actual job, to go out and follow Trump around doing his bidding and getting his belly rubbed, there is a striking difference and only those who don’t want to see it, won’t see it.

Wouldn’t be so bad but she doesn’t seem to understand they volunteered :joker:

[Kate!]

Why? What he said doesn’t back you up :joker:

Did I say it did?? :nono:

I just happened to appreciate what he actually said.

Is that alright with you, or are you gonna nitpick that as well?

[Kate!]

Wouldn’t be so bad but she doesn’t seem to understand they volunteered :joker:

I do. I've posted that several times myself. You seem to have selective hearing. Surprise surprise.

The question is are they or are they not getting free accommodation? I believe they are?

That's my opinion.

[Alf]

As to all Parties it's been the case for ages.
Labour sent NO ONE to the States.
It's individuals who have chosen to go.

It's happened with members of the Cons too.
Not MPs or elected representatives.
Just the same here .

Nothing from ANY governnents immaterial of Party.

However what about Farage now an elected MP to parliament going over and helping his friend Trump get elected.

Or is he admired for that while other Party supporters or even members get vilified
Farage from the UK has gone to the USA for I understand all of the elections Trump has fought.

Personally I wouldn't go, who'd want to be in the ridiculous circus of the USA politics.
However whatever the reasons, I'd hope the Democrats win the USA election but I really feel Trump will win.

This thread however is insulting.
Neither Labour or the Cons in government or opposition have sent elected representatives to the USA at elections.
Contrast that with Farage and Reform.Here's Joey defending criminality all because of his tribal, political support of Labour.

[Alf]

You heard of Russian collusion, which turned out to be fake news.

Now this is British collusion.

[Kate!]

Labour DID send these people to the States. I don't get why people can't see this. 100 of them.

[Alf]

Yep, although I will say, a lot of Trump fans love him because he’s deranged and horrifically racistNot even close to being as racist as you. You're far more racist.

[Alf]

Labour DID send these people to the States. I don't get why people can't see this. 100 of them.Because they're hypocrites. Not just any kind of hypocrites, but dangerous, egotistical ones.

[Kate!]

Because they're hypocrites. Not just any kind of hypocrites, but dangerous, egotistical ones.

It's obvious though isn't it Alf. The post made by Sofia Patel is all over the media. It hasn't been denied? Starmer is backpedalling like feck. I hope the inquiry results in them getting the book thrown at them?

[Kate!]

Labour is sending almost 100 current and former party staff members to the US to help Democrats in swing states.

Activists from Sir Keir Starmer's party will spend almost three weeks campaigning for Kamala Harris ahead of the US election on November 5.

They will visit Nevada, North Carolina, Pennsylvania and Virginia - states that are crucial to Ms Harris' bid to win.

However, Republicans have described the plans as an “outrage” and warned they would damage the UK’s relationship with the US should Donald Trump win the presidency.

The Federal Election Commission, which regulates US elections, states that foreign volunteers may not donate money to campaigns or spend money on their behalf.

They cannot “participate in the decision-making process” but they may, however, participate in activities as an “uncompensated volunteer”.

Elon Musk reacted to the news on X, formerly Twitter, by saying: “This is illegal.”

[Glenn.]

I mean Elon musk is giving a million dollars to people who vote for Trump.

[Mitchell]

I actually wouldn't personally object if MPs even went to support there anyhow.
So I'm.not even condemning Farage for doing so.
Unlike you with other Parties volunteers independently doing so.

I actually do tbh, they’re supposed to be working for us, of course ‘officials’ going over or whatever is fine, because they’re not being paid to represent us.

But absolutely no surprises that Farage has completely shafted his constituency as expected

[Cherie]

I mean Elon musk is giving a million dollars to people who vote for Trump.

He is not in government so not sure what the point is here? I feel for America two pretty awful choices

[Glenn.]

He is not in government so not sure what the point is here? I feel for America two pretty awful choices

Just not sure Elon musk is really the one to be telling anyone anything when he’s buying voters

[Livia]

We've always dabbled in each other's elections. Remember Obama coming to the UK and telling us, if we vote for Brexit we'd go to the back of the queue for a trade deal with the US? If that's not interfering I don't know what is.

[Cherie]

Just not sure Elon musk is really the one to be telling anyone anything when he’s buying voters

Oh right, I dont follow American politics at all, its bad enough dealing with UK politicians

[Livia]

Elon is running a lottery for people signing up to vote for Trump. You're not allowed to "buy votes", but there are ways around it as Elon knows. He's giving away, apparently, a million dollars a day.

[Alf]

I mean Elon musk is giving a million dollars to people who vote for Trump.Good on him. What's your point?

Is your point that a citizen is giving his money away, therefore, it's OK for UK interference in a foreign election? Because that's what it sounds like.

[Glenn.]

Labour DID send these people to the States. I don't get why people can't see this. 100 of them.

You mean 100 people volunteered

[Kate!]

You mean 100 people volunteered

No.

[Glenn.]

Why oh why do Labour think it's remotely acceptable to send 100 volunteers..... To support Kamala Harris


:think:

[Kate!]

Why oh why do Labour think it's remotely acceptable to send 100 volunteers..... To support Kamala Harris


:think:

To clarify... in my opinion....Labour requested volunteers, that's how it sounds. Therefore they sent them. End of.

[Mystic Mock]

I think we both know exactly what that would do.

I personally agree with you on that.

But I'm only guessing tbf.

[Mystic Mock]

Crying about people who volunteered, as in, didn’t get paid, to campaign for Labour, voluntarily going to America in their own spare time, to volunteer as door knockers for another party or politician they actively support, is the biggest nothing burger, useful idiots are just playing into Trumps hands so that he can have something to blame or fight against when he loses, it’s sad.

Also, was the Farage question ever answered? He’s an actual elected official representing the uk and he spent time he should have spent doing his actual job, to go out and follow Trump around doing his bidding and getting his belly rubbed, there is a striking difference and only those who don’t want to see it, won’t see it.

I agree with you on Farage.

I personally don't believe any political leaders should be influencing foreign elections.

[Mystic Mock]

Here's Joey defending criminality all because of his tribal, political support of Labour.

What criminality has Joey defended?

No crime has been committed based on the evidence that we have so far.

[joeysteele]

What criminality has Joey defended?

No crime has been committed based on the evidence that we have so far.

Oh hey Mock.
Don't waste your time there.

It's bad enough that this thread is totally misleading lies.
In the way the heading and question is phrased.

Don't open yourself to unjustified criticism defending myself mate

[Mystic Mock]

Oh hey Mock.
Don't waste your time there.

It's bad enough that this thread is totally misleading lies.
In the way the heading and question is phrased.

Don't open yourself to unjustified criticism defending myself mate

Thanks Joey.:blush:

But I don't like anyone being accused of something that factually isn't true.