Is Khaled Homophobic?

[GoldGlitter]

Before entering the house Who would be your dream celebrity to live with?

Probably Michael Bisping – the UFC fighter. He’s a UFC Hall of Famer who came from Manchester. He was just unbelievable – his heart, his determination.

This guy

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jun/05/michael-bisping-luke-rockhold-ufc-homophobic-comments

Khaled also said What are you looking forward to the most about being a housemate?

Meeting people from all parts of society I wouldn’t meet in my day-to-day life. That’s what’s interesting to me about the show. The fact I can meet people I wouldn’t normally run into at the boxing gym, or at work.

The only people he's been hanging around with in the house are the straight men. Nathan and Dean spend their time with the girls and Izaaz goes between both groups.

[Benjamin]

He’s shown nothing which indicates he is. The house aren’t exactly meek either, so if he was that would have debated amongst them.

[Oliver_W]

Nah, there's no reason to think he is.

[vesavius]

The only people he's been hanging around with in the house are the straight men. Nathan and Dean spend their time with the girls and Izaaz goes between both groups.

Smearing a HM with an accusation of 'homophobia' based on nothing.

[GoldGlitter]

If I said my dream celebrity in the house would be Hitler would that been seen as anti semitic.

[vesavius]

If I said my dream celebrity in the house would be Hitler would that been seen as anti semitic.

oh good god :joker::joker::joker:

[GoldGlitter]

oh good god :joker::joker::joker:

You haven't answered my question.

[vesavius]

You haven't answered my question.

It didn't warrant one.

It was a ridiculous leap and can't be taken at all seriously.

[GoldGlitter]

It didn't warrant one.

It was a ridiculous leap and can't be taken at all seriously.

How is it a ridiculous leap. Gay men were killed in the camps as well.

[Niamh.]

Why does him liking Michael Bisping mean he's homophobic? It just means he likes UFC

[Beso]

How is it a ridiculous leap. Gay men were killed in the camps as well.

What a deeply offensive thing to say...


Get out

[Oliver_W]

This guy

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jun/05/michael-bisping-luke-rockhold-ufc-homophobic-comments
Tbh, who really cares about that? The two were trading slam-talk, I'd probably call someone a ****** too :laugh:

It doesn't come up when you google either of them, not even on the News tab. The Graun pearl-clutching over nothing wouldn't put me off meeting someone I admire, so why should it for Khaled?

Khaled also said What are you looking forward to the most about being a housemate?

Meeting people from all parts of society I wouldn’t meet in my day-to-day life. That’s what’s interesting to me about the show. The fact I can meet people I wouldn’t normally run into at the boxing gym, or at work.

The only people he's been hanging around with in the house are the straight men.
Meh. Whenever I'm set to start something new I might talk about making friends from outside my usual circles, but the new friends I pick up are nearly always the same "types" as my existing ones, regardless of the makeup of the workplace (or wherever) :joker: .

[FromBB8]

Hanah, Emma, Sarah and Daze are going to be shocked to hear that they're actually straight men.

[Crimson Dynamo]

If I said my dream celebrity in the house would be Hitler would that been seen as anti semitic.

:facepalm:

[BBXX]

There is zero evidence to suggest he is so absolutely not, no.

[Niamh.]

If I said my dream celebrity in the house would be Hitler would that been seen as anti semitic.

Comparing Hitler to a UFC fighter who said a bad word one time (that Khaled may not even have known about) is pretty hyperbolic

[rusticgal]

Didn't he say last night that he really likes Hanah and he doesn't mix with many females on the outside and this has given him the opportunity and he is liking it.

[ThomasC]

Before entering the house Who would be your dream celebrity to live with?

Probably Michael Bisping – the UFC fighter. He’s a UFC Hall of Famer who came from Manchester. He was just unbelievable – his heart, his determination.

This guy

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jun/05/michael-bisping-luke-rockhold-ufc-homophobic-comments

Khaled also said What are you looking forward to the most about being a housemate?

Meeting people from all parts of society I wouldn’t meet in my day-to-day life. That’s what’s interesting to me about the show. The fact I can meet people I wouldn’t normally run into at the boxing gym, or at work.

The only people he's been hanging around with in the house are the straight men. Nathan and Dean spend their time with the girls and Izaaz goes between both groups.

His religion doesn't approve of it, but he has shown no homophobia so I don't understand this thread other than one to 'point score'

[ThomasC]

If I said my dream celebrity in the house would be Hitler would that been seen as anti semitic.

I know you might not like Khaled, but come off....

I happen to think he's a nice person but then I also think Ali is.

[GoldGlitter]

Comparing Hitler to a UFC fighter who said a bad word one time (that Khaled may not even have known about) is pretty hyperbolic

"Who has said a bad word one time" UK fighter has history of using homophobic language.

I didn't compare the two either.

[Niamh.]

"Who has said a bad word one time" UK fighter has history of using homophobic language.

I didn't compare the two either.

I watch UFC all the time, he's also a commentator now as well since he's retired from fighting, I never heard him say anything like that before you posted this article :shrug:

[Vicky.]

No reason to think he is

[Livia]

If I said my dream celebrity in the house would be Hitler would that been seen as anti semitic.

You know he's dead, right?

[vesavius]

I think that in the end we can all agree that saying one spicey word over 8 years ago doesn't make you literally Hitler.

[Redway]

There’s no reason to believe that from him. I don’t think he is.

[Billy]

Definitely not.

Ali’s accusation is awful especially because once the house merged with the non housemates (I.e after Ali told everyone she was gay) Khaled noticed that she was isolating herself and told her that he was there if she ever wanted to talk.

[BBXX]

Definitely not.

Ali’s accusation is awful especially because once the house merged with the non housemates (I.e after Ali told everyone she was gay) Khaled noticed that she was isolating herself and told her that he was there if she ever wanted to talk.

She wasn't accusing him of being homophobic?

[GoldGlitter]

You know he's dead, right?

On 9th of October on late & live Ryan would have Gandhi as a dinner guest.

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[Livia]

On 9th of October on late & live Ryan would have Gandhi as a dinner guest.

6011

Then he was as wrong as you were.

[arista]

No reason to think he is


Bang On Right Vicky

[Crimson Dynamo]

Khaled is passive-aggressive-ophobic

[GoldHeart]

Smearing a HM with an accusation of 'homophobia' based on nothing.

Funny thing is , it's these people who get salty when Ali is accused of ' racism'. Nobody should say anything against ice queen Ali ,but it seems perfectly fine to throw around mindless accusations about Khaled. You honestly couldn't make it up on here :bored: .

[Abra]

That's an absolutely huge stretch and people need to stop pulling words like this just to try and point score. (I'm gay btw), it really is harmful to when actual homophobia happens and people don't take it seriously because they have seen silly things like this.

[Lostie!]

He's not done or said anything to indicate being homophobic. Between that, Ali being accused of being racist and Marcello being likened to a sex offender, people are going way overboard. There's disliking a housemate and then there's smearing their character with zero basis.

[Benjamin]

He's not done or said anything to indicate being homophobic. Between that, Ali being accused of being racist and Marcello being likened to a sex offender, people are going way overboard. There's disliking a housemate and then there's smearing their character with zero basis.

:clap1:

[AnnieK]

He's not done or said anything to indicate being homophobic. Between that, Ali being accused of being racist and Marcello being likened to a sex offender, people are going way overboard. There's disliking a housemate and then there's smearing their character with zero basis.

Completely agree

[vesavius]

Funny thing is , it's these people who get salty when Ali is accused of ' racism'. Nobody should say anything against ice queen Ali ,but it seems perfectly fine to throw around mindless accusations about Khaled. You honestly couldn't make it up on here :bored: .

I never expect intellectual or moral consistency ;)

[Adamw92]

I don’t think he is, no.

[BigAsher]

Khaled isn't homophobic. Ali isn't a misandrist. Everyone is taking this to a level that isn't necessary.

[vesavius]

Ali isn't a misandrist.

Well, agree to disagree.

[BigAsher]

Well, agree to disagree.You're part of the problem.

[GoldHeart]

Khaled isn't homophobic. Ali isn't a misandrist. Everyone is taking this to a level that isn't necessary.

You're entitled to your opinion,but let's see if you still feel the same way after tonight's HL ( hopefully they show Emma & Ali's full conversation), where Ali is peddling the narrative of ' toxic masculinity ', but she's not missandrist right ? :whistle: .

[romeofahey]

No he's not homophobic. How does that second question come off badly? It shows that he clearly expected to meet people from different backgrounds in the house and that's part of why he wanted to do the show?

[vesavius]

You're part of the problem.

Oh no, BigAsher on the TiBB forum has made a moral judgement on me.

Let me pretend it matters.

[BBXX]

You're entitled to your opinion,but let's see if you still feel the same way after tonight's HL ( hopefully they show Emma & Ali's full conversation), where Ali is peddling the narrative of ' toxic masculinity ', but she's not missandrist right ? :whistle: .

Toxic masculinity does exist, and it doesn't make someone a misandrist for acknowledging it.

[vesavius]

Toxic masculinity does exist, and it doesn't make someone a misandrist for acknowledging it.

I would actually agree that it does, I think that it only falls into misandry if you say all men have it, but then so does toxic feminity.

Which we see clearly in Ali.

But, then, she always accuses others of what she herself is as we have seen.

[BBXX]

I would actually agree that it does, I think that it only falls into misandry if you say all men have it, but then so does toxic feminity.


Yes definitely, absolutely agree with this.

[GoldHeart]

Toxic masculinity does exist, and it doesn't make someone a misandrist for acknowledging it.

Ali is wrongly labelling certain guys that in the BB house. If they labelled her some ' crazy feminist ', she'd be offended and would likely see them as sexist .

She doesn't seem to realise women can be just as toxic as men ,but she will never acknowledge ,that she herself is displaying those same ugly traits :idc: . She hides behind the ' SJW / feminist ' shield. But she's actually full of BS .

[vesavius]

Ali is wrongly labelling certain guys that in the BB house. If they labelled her some ' crazy feminist ', she'd be offended and would likely see them as sexist .

She doesn't seem to realise women can be just as toxic as men ,but she will never acknowledge ,that she herself is displaying those same ugly traits :idc: . She hides behind the ' SJW / feminist ' shield. But she's actually full of BS .

Agree with this

[GlitterUK]

Khaled is a decent bloke. He is really refreshing to see someone like that in the house. It is a shame to see so many people question his character with zero/very little to back it up.

He has been through a lot in the house - targeted for no reason and dealt with it like a champ. Hope he makes the final but if the Regina fans are as bad as Regina he sadly won't make it.

[GoldGlitter]

Khaled is a decent bloke. He is really refreshing to see someone like that in the house. It is a shame to see so many people question his character with zero/very little to back it up.

He has been through a lot in the house - targeted for no reason and dealt with it like a champ. Hope he makes the final but if the Regina fans are as bad as Regina he sadly won't make it.

Many people question his character with zero/very little to back it up. In tonights show he said he was going with his gut feeling about Lily. Ali gave examples of why she thought he wasnt being genuine.

[Garfie]

He’s shown nothing which indicates he is. The house aren’t exactly meek either, so if he was that would have debated amongst them.

Exactly this. To suggest he might be homophobic seems a far reach for me when there’s no evidence we’ve seen to suggest that. To gravitate to people you feel more comfortable with is natural, and we’ve also seen him interacting with others too.

[Garfie]

He's not done or said anything to indicate being homophobic. Between that, Ali being accused of being racist and Marcello being likened to a sex offender, people are going way overboard. There's disliking a housemate and then there's smearing their character with zero basis.

Perfectly said. :clap1:

[Garfie]

I would actually agree that it does, I think that it only falls into misandry if you say all men have it, but then so does toxic feminity.

Which we see clearly in Ali.

But, then, she always accuses others of what she herself is as we have seen.

Ironically, there’s a psychological term for that! :laugh:

[Glenn.]

It’s not a vibe I’ve got from him

[UserSince2005]

I see him bending over for the right man.

[BBXX]

I see him bending over for the right man.

C'mon now, in the same way people shouldn't invalidate Ali's sexuality, people also shouldn't invalidate Khaled's.

[smudgie]

I can’t see it myself.
:shrug:

[Mystic Mock]

He's not done or said anything to indicate being homophobic. Between that, Ali being accused of being racist and Marcello being likened to a sex offender, people are going way overboard. There's disliking a housemate and then there's smearing their character with zero basis.

Exactly!

Plus the OP isn't questioning the motives of Nathan and Dean hanging around the girls and not so much with the straight men.

So to me it does just seem like it's an unfair attack on Khaled.

[Mystic Mock]

Well, agree to disagree.

I personally think that Ali has issues with men too.

[Mystic Mock]

Toxic masculinity does exist, and it doesn't make someone a misandrist for acknowledging it.

I don't know, it sounds like a Misandrist on Twitter.

[BBXX]

I don't know, it sounds like a Misandrist on Twitter.

What does, saying that toxic masculinity exists?

As a man, some toxic masculinity examples I see regularly from men are:

not expressing their feelings for fear of shame or mocking
mocking or shaming men for expressing their feelings
refusing to pull their weight around the house
not letting their son play with dolls or wear pink
consistently not control their anger
acting like their wife/girlfriend is a weight around their neck in front of their mates
being uncomfortable around gay men
believing men should be in financial control in a relationship
mocking therapy

Now some of these are acted out by women too, so you may ask what makes these examples of toxic masculinity rather than just toxic behaviours, and I think it's the intentions behind them - most of these sorts of actions when acted out by men are because it makes them feel like less of a man. The actions are linked to the maleness, rather than despite it. People who behave like this often define manliness with physical strength, power and a set of binary rules from long ago. and nothing more.

Don't get me wrong, I am an advocate for men, I think there are many things that men are victim to in society that harm them and often these are directly from women. I also think toxic femininity exists, too and can be equally damaging.

[vesavius]

mocking or shaming men for expressing their feelings
consistently not control their anger
acting like their wife/girlfriend is a weight around their neck in front of their mates
believing men should be in financial control in a relationship
[/LIST]



I know that you acknowledge toxic feminity as well, which is good, but I feel that we need to just start referring to these negative behaviours as just toxic personality aspects or something. Labelling most of these as 'toxic male' or 'toxic female' just seems like extra work when there is so much overlap.

I also think some others in your list are outdated and just not the common behaviours of the majority of men these days and are mainly pushed as a thing now by anti male feminist aligned platforms.

[BBXX]

I know that you acknowledge toxic feminity as well, which is good, but I feel that we need to just start referring to these negative behaviours as just toxic personality aspects or something. Labelling most of these as 'toxic male' or 'toxic female' just seems like extra work when there is so much overlap.

I also think some others in your list are outdated and just not the common behaviours of the majority of men these days and are mainly pushed as a thing now by anti male feminist aligned platforms.

I do appreciate these are behaviours in both men and women, but I think what turns something into a gender-led toxic behaviour is the reasoning for the behaviour and quite often it's linked to them acting that way because they think it's a threat to their masculinity to not behave that way.

I do also agree that many of these sorts of behaviours are dying out thankfully, but I do also think that the rise in popularity of people like Andrew Tate is creating a bit of an uptick in toxic behaviour in young men.

But I do understand your points, too.

[Beso]

Outdated mumbo jumbo.

[Ammi]

What does, saying that toxic masculinity exists?

As a man, some toxic masculinity examples I see regularly from men are:

not expressing their feelings for fear of shame or mocking
mocking or shaming men for expressing their feelings
refusing to pull their weight around the house
not letting their son play with dolls or wear pink
consistently not control their anger
acting like their wife/girlfriend is a weight around their neck in front of their mates
being uncomfortable around gay men
believing men should be in financial control in a relationship
mocking therapy

Now some of these are acted out by women too, so you may ask what makes these examples of toxic masculinity rather than just toxic behaviours, and I think it's the intentions behind them - most of these sorts of actions when acted out by men are because it makes them feel like less of a man. The actions are linked to the maleness, rather than despite it. People who behave like this often define manliness with physical strength, power and a set of binary rules from long ago. and nothing more.

Don't get me wrong, I am an advocate for men, I think there are many things that men are victim to in society that harm them and often these are directly from women. I also think toxic femininity exists, too and can be equally damaging.


…I really like your post/thoughts a lot and it’s provoking lots of thoughts for me so I’ll just take a few bits of it for now, if that’s ok…I’m sure there is mocking and ‘shaming’ of men for expressing their feelings by some but having worked in a primary school environment for most of my working life…?…what I do see is that even in today, there is often still a difference in some of the terminology in a hurt child, for instance…?…and I’m meaning specific to gender…so for instance, there is an inconsolable in that moment child, who is overcome by a physical injury they’ve incurred…?…both children of the same age with the same injury so we could say that two pains are equal and both children requiring equal comfort while their injuries are being assessed etc…?…(…I’ve often found…)…that the terminology for a boy child…(…from some adults because not one size fits all, obviously…)… would/will lean more toward being brave and how amazing they are for being so brave etc…?…whereas with a girl child, the language and terms are just soothing in a different way with no mention of bravery, you know…?…just an understanding of those tears and that feeling of being overwhelmed …I don’t know if I’m explaining this well…but there is a ‘conditioning’ that still happens …it’s often very subtle at a young age but it’s still there…

…anyway, just a thought/observation, if you like that was provoked by your own thoughts…

[BBXX]

…I really like your post/thoughts a lot and it’s provoking lots of thoughts for me so I’ll just take a few bits of it for now, if that’s ok…I’m sure there is mocking and ‘shaming’ of men for expressing their feelings by some but having worked in a primary school environment for most of my working life…?…what I do see is that even in today, there is often still a difference in some of the terminology in a hurt child, for instance…?…and I’m meaning specific to gender…so for instance, there is an inconsolable in that moment child, who is overcome by a physical injury they’ve incurred…?…both children of the same age with the same injury so we could say that two pains are equal and both children requiring equal comfort while their injuries are being assessed etc…?…(…I’ve often found…)…that the terminology for a boy child…(…from some adults because not one size fits all, obviously…)… would/will lean more toward being brave and how amazing they are for being so brave etc…?…whereas with a girl child, the language and terms are just soothing in a different way with no mention of bravery, you know…?…just an understanding of those tears and that feeling of being overwhelmed …I don’t know if I’m explaining this well…but there is a ‘conditioning’ that still happens …it’s often very subtle at a young age but it’s still there…

…anyway, just a thought/observation, if you like that was provoked by your own thoughts…

Thanks Ammi. :blush:

Oh, completely. The reason this behaviour exists it because boys are taught to repress emotion from an early age. It's society's fault, not specifically men's, and it's damaging. But as men we should understand this is a toxic behaviour that benefits nobody and do what we can to change it.

[vesavius]

I do appreciate these are behaviours in both men and women, but I think what turns something into a gender-led toxic behaviour is the reasoning for the behaviour and quite often it's linked to them acting that way because they think it's a threat to their masculinity to not behave that way.

I do also agree that many of these sorts of behaviours are dying out thankfully, but I do also think that the rise in popularity of people like Andrew Tate is creating a bit of an uptick in toxic behaviour in young men.

But I do understand your points, too.

Yeah, Tate is a dickhead... His growth is a mystery to me and I can only put it down to extreme actions provoking extreme reactions. I don't personally see the appeal in the man at all.

I just think that toxic behaviours are usually pretty universal and gender labels for them are usually (not saying you at all) just an attempt to other or distance the observer away from them ("it's that group, not my group"). I don't think they serve a real purpose beyond that.

I talk to so many feminists that insist that women are the vehicles of perfection and incapable of bad thoughts or intentions and that it's all on the evil men. They don't even recognise the existence of 'toxic feminity'... they use the label of male toxicity to absolve themselves of all responsibility for their own behaviours.

And yeah, it's good to talk about these things :)

[BBXX]

I talk to so many feminists that insist that women are the vehicles of perfection and incapable of bad thoughts or intentions and that it's all on the evil men. They don't even recognise the existence of 'toxic feminity'... they use the label of male toxicity to absolve themselves of all responsibility for their own behaviours.

And yeah, it's good to talk about these things :)

Yeah the 'femcel' side of Instagram can be super toxic :facepalm:

Same, good talk.

[Mystic Mock]

What does, saying that toxic masculinity exists?

As a man, some toxic masculinity examples I see regularly from men are:

not expressing their feelings for fear of shame or mocking
mocking or shaming men for expressing their feelings
refusing to pull their weight around the house
not letting their son play with dolls or wear pink
consistently not control their anger
acting like their wife/girlfriend is a weight around their neck in front of their mates
being uncomfortable around gay men
believing men should be in financial control in a relationship
mocking therapy

Now some of these are acted out by women too, so you may ask what makes these examples of toxic masculinity rather than just toxic behaviours, and I think it's the intentions behind them - most of these sorts of actions when acted out by men are because it makes them feel like less of a man. The actions are linked to the maleness, rather than despite it. People who behave like this often define manliness with physical strength, power and a set of binary rules from long ago. and nothing more.

Don't get me wrong, I am an advocate for men, I think there are many things that men are victim to in society that harm them and often these are directly from women. I also think toxic femininity exists, too and can be equally damaging.

To me what you've described is an extreme example of someone with Machismo.

Even the noun description of Machismo talks about the person having "strong or aggressive masculine pride" which fits your description of Toxic Masculinity quite well imo.

[Mystic Mock]

I do appreciate these are behaviours in both men and women, but I think what turns something into a gender-led toxic behaviour is the reasoning for the behaviour and quite often it's linked to them acting that way because they think it's a threat to their masculinity to not behave that way.

I do also agree that many of these sorts of behaviours are dying out thankfully, but I do also think that the rise in popularity of people like Andrew Tate is creating a bit of an uptick in toxic behaviour in young men.

But I do understand your points, too.

I agree with you on Andrew Tate.

He is a huge problem with how he is able to get so many young men onboard.

[BBXX]

To me what you've described is an extreme example of someone with Machismo.

Even the noun description of Machismo talks about the person having "strong or aggressive masculine pride" which fits your description of Toxic Masculinity quite well imo.

My list wasn't to suggest that someone has all of these behaviour traits. They might just have one or two for example. But yes if they exhibit all of them then run for the hills because they're a field of red flags :laugh:

[Ammi]

…it’s all terminology and labelling, isn’t it…that muddy’s it all and creates the divides…(…I know/being a female I may be a bit biased…)…but surely the majority of people or hopefully the majority of people are feminists because it’s a term and belief of equality in genders…and when it’s often applied as if it’s just a female descriptive, to me that feels as though it feeds into a divide that isn’t accurate…

[Mystic Mock]

My list wasn't to suggest that someone has all of these behaviour traits. They might just have one or two for example. But yes if they exhibit all of them then run for the hills because they're a field of red flags :laugh:

Too true tbf.:laugh:

You've definitely got me thinking on this particular topic though, which I'm grateful for.:)

[BBXX]

Too true tbf.:laugh:

You've definitely got me thinking on this particular topic though, which I'm grateful for.:)

Thanks a lot MM! :)

[Mystic Mock]

…it’s all terminology and labelling, isn’t it…that muddy’s it all and creates the divides…(…I know/being a female I may be a bit biased…)…but surely the majority of people or hopefully the majority of people are feminists because it’s a term and belief of equality in genders…and when it’s often applied as if it’s just a female descriptive, to me that feels as though it feeds into a divide that isn’t accurate…

I believe that men and women should get the same opportunities in life personally, because I do think that we should be treated equally.

I don't necessarily like the direction that some of the modern feminist movements on Social Media try to take the cause though.

And on the other foot I don't like Andrew Tate's Incel crowd either, that believe that a woman has to have sex with them on demand.

[vesavius]

but surely the majority of people or hopefully the majority of people are feminists because it’s a term and belief of equality in genders…

I think that there are a decent amount of feminists that do still believe that and it was more common to think that way in past (90's/ 00's) among feminists, but with the rise of 4th Wave feminism it's become a minority position I think.

RadFems have used social media and the internet in general to change the culture. 'Equality' is out, revenge and gender superiority is in. It's a shame... I grew up in an all-woman household (I had a gay mother, which in the 80s was a very different reality to what it is now) and have been surrounded by positive examples of feminity all my life on a personal level. I want nothing more than equality, but the radicalised change in the wider culture and the culture of the mainstream left is real.

[Ammi]

I believe that men and women should get the same opportunities in life personally, because I do think that we should be treated equally.

I don't necessarily like the direction that some of the modern feminist movements on Social Media try to take the cause though.

And on the other foot I don't like Andrew Tate's Incel crowd either, that believe that a woman has to have sex with them on demand.

…absolutely and that’s surely the definition of a feminist, Mock…(…welcome to the world of feminism…:laugh:…)…it supports all genders because it supports equality…and of course, there is extreme ideology in all genders and I’m sure that’s very visible on social media as well as other areas…it’s not a media that I tend to spend time on because I imagine it can somethings be more difficult to avoid the more unhealthy parts and influences etc…

[Ammi]

I think that there are a decent amount of feminists that do still believe that and it was more common to think that way in past (90's/ 00's) among feminists, but with the rise of 4th Wave feminism it's become a minority position I think.

RadFems have used social media and the internet in general to change the culture. 'Equality' is out, revenge and gender superiority is in. It's a shame... I grew up in an all-woman household (I had a gay mother, which in the 80s was a very different reality to what it is now) and have been surrounded by positive examples of feminity all my life on a personal level. I want nothing more than equality, but the radicalised change in the wider culture and the culture of the mainstream left is real.

…oh, I know it’s real…absolutely…but I also believe that it’s not something we all live in our lives as much as media’s …mainstream and social, would have us believe…it’s often almost like a different world to see and absorb talking points and views etc online and those that I have in my offline time with what is a huge selection of people because school environment exposes to that variety, you know…the ‘toxicity’ if it were to be applied at all…for me, would be less applied to any gender and specific to not opening up paths of information more …the internet for my thoughts can be that blessing and curse thing…in that it both opens up and restricts also and can hold more narrow views/thoughts…

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is Khaled Homophobic?

is there a shred of evidence to suggest

no

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why on earth are we on 4 pages?


:joker:

[vesavius]

…oh, I know it’s real…absolutely…but I also believe that it’s not something we all live in our lives as much as media’s …mainstream and social, would have us believe…it’s often almost like a different world to see and absorb talking points and views etc online and those that I have in my offline time with what is a huge selection of people because school environment exposes to that variety, you know…the ‘toxicity’ if it were to be applied at all…for me, would be less applied to any gender and specific to not opening up paths of information more …the internet for my thoughts can be that blessing and curse thing…in that it both opens up and restricts also and can hold more narrow views/thoughts…

sadly, it's not just in the media, society in general is being radicalised.

I think that it's just hard to see often because it's simultaneously become quickly normalised.

[UserSince2005]

C'mon now, in the same way people shouldn't invalidate Ali's sexuality, people also shouldn't invalidate Khaled's.

sorry but it obvious.
His religion might be holding him back, but he defo aint straight.

[Ammi]

sadly, it's not just in the media, society in general is being radicalised.

I think that it's just hard to see often because it's simultaneously become quickly normalised.

…there is a ‘tribal’ aspect to it as well, which I think is encouraged and aggravated by the media…’divides’ create distractions, don’t they…and I think that’s a pun element as well/it’s a complex brew and labels are something that are/were created to ‘cancel’ communication/understanding and all that jazz imo…because rather than discuss, a label is just thrown and something is closed down and dismissed with the flick of a keyboard or whatever…’woke’ is another label that that is created to divide…

[Mystic Mock]

…absolutely and that’s surely the definition of a feminist, Mock…(…welcome to the world of feminism…:laugh:…)…it supports all genders because it supports equality…and of course, there is extreme ideology in all genders and I’m sure that’s very visible on social media as well as other areas…it’s not a media that I tend to spend time on because I imagine it can somethings be more difficult to avoid the more unhealthy parts and influences etc…

Unfortunately the Media and the Internet are influencing things to such a point that some people might see my views on the topic (and anybody that agrees with my views) as Misogynistic.

Like for me I can't get onboard with Ali's version of Feminism because it's Misandry and unhinged, and Dean is even more unhinged than Ali because he is having major issues with mild levels of masculinity within his own gender.:umm2: