ITV2HD Thursday 9PM-10PM (Day 18) Big Brother 2024 Discussion

[Ray.]

This is Lily's Wolfy episode

[MTVN]

Nathan is obsessed with this 'who's fake' conversation

[Maru]

Why do they all assume being fake or not fake determines who wins/leaves.. obviously if it was most fake, Lily would be long gone

[Jordan.]

All this group do is talk about who's fake

[Ammi]

This is Lily's Wolfy episode

…:laugh:..

[Adamw92]

I mean Lily clocked Segun there

[bots]

lily is at least stirring it up :laugh:

[Niamh.]

This is actually her I really think

Yeah I think so too

[Oliver_W]

Joe wicks is like the lingering reminder of the pandemic lockdown

He's like a lingering fart in the pantry when you get back from holiday.

[Maru]

All this group do is talk about who's fake

Yeah it's very tedious

[Niamh.]

This is Lily's Wolfy episode

Yes! :laugh:

[Ammi]

All this group do is talk about who's fake

…yeah, it’s the theme this season..Big Brother Gets Fake…

[Maru]

Nathan's excited body language+reactions to BP make my skin legitimately crawl

[Benjamin]

Oh Lily you’ve just saved Ali next week

[Vanessa]

Keep Lily in. At least she's not boring!

[Ray.]

Nathan giving Lily all the rope in the world lol

He knows what he's doing

[Ammi]

…ohhhhh pleas Sarah, come and drag BP away from this …

[Vanessa]

Oh FFS these two :fist:

[Benjamin]

…ohhhhh pleas Sarah, come and drag BP away from this …

:laugh:

[joeysteele]

…ohhhhh pleas Sarah, come and drag BP away from this …

It's chronic

[Maru]

I want to like Nathan, but my ovaries are screaming at me everytime he's on screen and trying to be romantically contrived

[Benjamin]

lol dean saying Lily isn’t fake. She’s the most fake

[bots]

I want to like Nathan, but my ovaries are screaming at me everytime he's on screen and trying to be romantically contrived

are they shouting ovar here? :laugh:

[Ammi]

… Marcello walks away from gameplay conversations and then gets involved in gameplay conversations..

[Adamw92]

Oh shock horror, they didn’t show Marcello grabbing Lily by the throat :rolleyes:

[MTVN]

Great episode for the Cello

[Cherie]

of **** off Nathan

[Niamh.]

lol dean saying Lily isn’t fake. She’s the most fake

I agree with Maru though, that cocky bitchy side is probably real enough

[bots]

… Marcello walks away from gameplay conversations and then gets involved in gameplay conversations..

they are all at it :laugh:

[Lostie!]

Nathan's "I'm really enjoying this!" during the mezzanine bitch session :joker: Too relatable

[Niamh.]

Oh shock horror, they didn’t show Marcello grabbing Lily by the throat :rolleyes:

:o

[Benjamin]

Oh shock horror, they didn’t show Marcello grabbing Lily by the throat :rolleyes:

Or Lily “pranking” Hanah

[Maru]

are they shouting ovar here? :laugh:

:laugh3: :yuk:

Well they can't actually shrivel up since he's gay so

[Cherie]

Oh shock horror, they didn’t show Marcello grabbing Lily by the throat :rolleyes:

what was the context, because that sounds like a removal from the house move

[Lostie!]

… Marcello walks away from gameplay conversations and then gets involved in gameplay conversations..

I never heard him objecting when his friends' strategy chat was exposed either

[Cherie]

Nathan is obsessed with who is fake, look in the mirror mate

[Benjamin]

what was the context, because that sounds like a removal from the house move

It’s on the previews today. They were dicking around

[Adamw92]

Or Lily “pranking” Hanah

I’ve yet to see any confirmation of it actually happening, only people saying it happened. At least there’s actual video of Marcello grabbing Lilys neck.

[Adamw92]

Won’t excuse it if it’s true though, that’s not okay for Lily to do at all.

[Adamw92]

what was the context, because that sounds like a removal from the house move

People keep saying they were “only joking around” but it was in response to Lily sticking her fingers up at him.

[Benjamin]

People keep saying they were “only joking around” but it was in response to Lily sticking her fingers up at him.

BB would have removed him if it was serious

[Adamw92]

BB would have removed him if it was serious

Doesn’t really matter if they were joking around. He put his hand on her throat, he knows it was wrong because he even said “oh I can’t do that” immediately after doing it.

[MTVN]

This is the clip, he was giving her a piggyback around the living room a few minutes later

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[Niamh.]

This is the clip, he was giving her a piggyback around the living room a few minutes later

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He took his hand away the minute he put it on her neck and said "I can't do that" worrying that's the only reason he stopped though :worry:

[FromBB8]

He took his hand away the minute he put it on her neck and said "I can't do that" worrying that's the only reason he stopped though :worry:

I hope he means I can't do that in general rather than just because he's in the house. They were fine a few minutes later.

Unrelated, but just catching up and, in a head to head vote, it's getting to the point where I might vote to evict Lily over Ali.

[Adamw92]

He took his hand away the minute he put it on her neck and said "I can't do that" worrying that's the only reason he stopped though :worry:

This. Exactly. That’s why I’m saying it doesn’t matter if they were laughing before and after it. Everything he does in that house makes me feel ill from gaslighting Sarah the other night to this. And yet he’s NEVER called out for any of it. They even constantly defend him on Late & Live as just “having a laugh”.

[Ammi]

..I don’t understand why a male would put their hands on a female’s throat as any kind of ‘grab reaction’ even if it was messing around etc at the time…it seems an odd ‘first grab’…well, he held her wrist first and then put his hand on her throat…how odd…

[Niamh.]

..I don’t understand why a male would put their hands on a female’s throat as any kind of ‘grab reaction’ even if it was messing around etc at the time…it seems an odd ‘first grab’…well, he held her wrist first and then put his hand on her throat…how odd…

To me it comes across as a dominating move, I really dislike it, even in a "messing around way"

[Redway]

“Can I write the snacks down?”

You can barely write down chow-mein. And God forbid anyone should mention coriander. Come on, now, Lily.

[Niamh.]

This. Exactly. That’s why I’m saying it doesn’t matter if they were laughing before and after it. Everything he does in that house makes me feel ill from gaslighting Sarah the other night to this. And yet he’s NEVER called out for any of it. They even constantly defend him on Late & Live as just “having a laugh”.

Preaching to the choir here, Marchello is very iffy with how he interacts with women

[rusticgal]

lol dean saying Lily isn’t fake. She’s the most fake


Dean saying she’s smarter than we think….meaning she’s fooled you all and that makes her fake.
Dean is thick as…

[Niamh.]

I hope he means I can't do that in general rather than just because he's in the house. They were fine a few minutes later.

Unrelated, but just catching up and, in a head to head vote, it's getting to the point where I might vote to evict Lily over Ali.

Yeah same

[Ammi]

To me it comes across as a dominating move, I really dislike it, even in a "messing around way"

…that exactly, not aggressive but very dominant …a throat is an odd place/not natural place to place a hand like that in a holding stance…

[Niamh.]

…that exactly, not aggressive but very dominant …a throat is an odd place/not natural place to place a hand like that in a holding stance…

It sounds a bit melodramatic here but I think it's because most men xould probably kill a woman by strangling her with his bare hands, in a way a woman couldn't the other way round. That's why it feels kind of sinister to me even in a joking around way

[Ammi]

Preaching to the choir here, Marchello is very iffy with how he interacts with women

…I think the iffy was very apparent in how he spoke to Sarah after chicken gate as well when he was obviously still angry …the way he ‘dismissed her’…

[Niamh.]

…I think the iffy was very apparent in how he spoke to Sarah after chicken gate as well when he was obviously still angry …the way he ‘dismissed her’…

Yeah, again that kind of domineering/humiliating side

[Ammi]

It sounds a bit melodramatic here but I think it's because most men xould probably kill a woman by strangling her with his bare hands, in a way a woman couldn't the other way round. That's why it feels kind of sinister to me even in a joking around way

…yeah, I don’t know if I’m over thinking but it was also how he held her wrist as well…only for a second but still, it was all a bit uneasy…

[Niamh.]

…yeah, I don’t know if I’m over thinking but it was also how he held her wrist as well…only for a second but still, it was all a bit uneasy…

Mmm it just left me thinking what would he be like with no cameras

[Ammi]

Mmm it just left me thinking what would he be like with no cameras

…even though there was no danger, I can’t imagine any parent of a daughter watching that and not feeling very uncomfortable with his hand motions there…

[Ray.]

Dean saying she’s smarter than we think….meaning she’s fooled you all and that makes her fake.
Dean is thick as…

Dean still hasn't woken up and smelled the cofee

The coffe?

The coufee

Oh ****ing hell not again...

[Ammi]

Dean still hasn't woken up and smelled the cofee

The coffe?

The coufee

Oh ****ing hell not again...

…:laugh:..

[Cherie]

He took his hand away the minute he put it on her neck and said "I can't do that" worrying that's the only reason he stopped though :worry:

I had to watch it several times he literally lay his hand on her neck ...I thought the way it was made out he was throttling her

[Niamh.]

I had to watch it several times he literally lay his hand on her neck ...I thought the way it was made out he was throttling her

Yes I know, he took it away and I said I can't do that, like he remembered he was on TV

[Garfie]

Nathan giving Lily all the rope in the world lol

He knows what he's doing

Yes, I agree that this is exactly what he’s doing, as well as using the opportunity to absorb who is aligned with who, so that he can plan his next strategic move.

[Cherie]

Yes I know, he took it away and I said I can't do that, like he remembered he was on TV

Nathan nutting BP with the egg was alot worse

[Niamh.]

Nathan nutting BP with the egg was alot worse

I disagree

[Maru]

Yes, I agree that this is exactly what he’s doing, as well as using the opportunity to absorb who is aligned with who, so that he can plan his next strategic move.

He & Dean are very similar in that way... they're both floating around the hubbub while taking a lot of copious mental notes because the people around them can't help themselves and are literal chatter boxes of tasty informations...

[Cherie]

I disagree

that must have hurt because he did it from a height

[Garfie]

I’ve yet to see any confirmation of it actually happening, only people saying it happened. At least there’s actual video of Marcello grabbing Lilys neck.

The video isn’t as bad as the wording implies. He doesn’t grab her neck but places his beside it - grabbing implies pressure and force, yet there is none. There were also no signs of anger between them when it happened. I think this has been blown up out of proportion to fit the ongoing narrative about Marcello’s treatment of women.

[Cherie]

The video isn’t as bad as the wording implies. He doesn’t grab her neck but places his beside it - grabbing implies pressure and force, yet there is none. There were also no signs of anger between them when it happened. I think this has been blown up out of proportion to fit the ongoing narrative about Marcello’s treatment of women.

Exactly they were both smiling, I thought Nathan egging BP was far worse as that would have hurt, not sure if you saw it on L and L Garfie

[FromBB8]

Marcello is the most Jekyl and Hyde housemate for me. He has moments where I think he has a kind heart and thoughtful about others. Then there are moments where his interactions put me on edge and a lack of filter - especially when interacting with women - stands out in a bad way.

[rusticgal]

Well I’m not going to lie but there are times I would like to put my hand round her throat too…:hehe:

[Garfie]

BB would have removed him if it was serious

Exactly! People need to look at the footage and decide for themselves whether a man has ‘grabbed’ a woman round the neck in this incident. That sort of wording is inflammatory and sensationalising like something typical of a front page headline from the tabloid press!

Without it being the intention, that sort of language about this incident, both trivialises, and is insulting to, all women who have been subject to neck/throat grabbing or non-fatal strangulation by men they know. Suggestions of this kind should never be thrown around so thoughtlessly and lightly.

[Cherie]

Well I’m not going to lie but there are times I would like to put my hand round her throat too…:hehe:

:joker:

[Adamw92]

The video isn’t as bad as the wording implies. He doesn’t grab her neck but places his beside it - grabbing implies pressure and force, yet there is none. There were also no signs of anger between them when it happened. I think this has been blown up out of proportion to fit the ongoing narrative about Marcello’s treatment of women.

His hand literally touched her neck and then he removed it because he realised he’s on camera. It’s actually so tiring having to argue with people about the way he behaves especially considering how often most of you blow what Ali says out of of proportion while defending this literally creep.

[Garfie]

It sounds a bit melodramatic here but I think it's because most men xould probably kill a woman by strangling her with his bare hands, in a way a woman couldn't the other way round. That's why it feels kind of sinister to me even in a joking around way

That’s a fact, Niamh. I do believe that the majority of women killed in DV situations die as a result of strangulation, and most women in these situations suffer non-fatal strangulation during such relationships, even when it does not end in death.
From memory, that’s why the law was changed a couple of years ago to make non-fatal strangulation an offence in itself, separate to any charges for DV. I think, at the time, a non-fatal strangulation conviction came with a custodial sentence, and I can remember this happened in the first case after the law was changed. I hope this is still the case, but I’m not sure if it remains so due to the lack of prison places.

However, in the same way that these charges and sentences are so important, I think it’s equally important that people are aware of the differences between grabbing, squeezing and placing the hands, and of whether those hands are around, or beside the neck.

[Garfie]

Exactly they were both smiling, I thought Nathan egging BP was far worse as that would have hurt, not sure if you saw it on L and L Garfie

I did, Cherie, and I think you were as shocked and horrified as me when you first read the description of Marcello grabbing Lily by the neck. That really rang massive alarm bells for me, so I was surprised when I then saw the footage.

I’m not saying that I find it comfortable when a man places his hand where Marcello did, or that there is no possibility that this could be indicative of anything worrying. That is always a possibility. However, what we saw here was not what we were led to believe, and I think it’s important that language is used carefully and accurately when describing such situations.

[Garfie]

He & Dean are very similar in that way... they're both floating around the hubbub while taking a lot of copious mental notes because the people around them can't help themselves and are literal chatter boxes of tasty informations...

Yes, perfectly put, Maru.

[Beso]

He was hands on with her last night as well. Touching her, looked like he was touching her and imagining what it would be like..

[Garfie]

His hand literally touched her neck and then he removed it because he realised he’s on camera. It’s actually so tiring having to argue with people about the way he behaves especially considering how often most of you blow what Ali says out of of proportion while defending this literally creep.

Look, Adam, I’ve posted very few comments about Marcello at all, and in those I’ve posted on this particular matter, it’s not been about defending Marcello - it’s about the language you used and what that implied. The fact that you have now changed your description from him ‘grabbing’ her neck to ‘his hand literally touched her neck’ is indicative of the fact that you recognise you chose to paint the wrong picture in order to force a certain narrative.

Two wrongs don’t make a right, and just because you feel other members might blow what Ali says out of proportion, they are sharing their interpretation of her actions which just happens to differ from your interpretation. Different opinions and interpretations are fine, and to be expected. What you’ve done here regarding Marcello, however, is basically changed the facts, and that’s the issue.

Finally, before you decide to lump me in with the ‘most of you‘ that you’ve chosen to criticise regarding Ali in your response to me, I think most members would probably agree that I have, in fact, tried to raise awareness here of Ali’s Autistic traits, how they might affect her and how that might mean she is judged harshly by others. I’ve done that in an attempt to create some understanding and empathy for her. I put thought into my comments, use the knowledge and experience I have, and consider the effect of my words on others before each post. I’m an independent thinker, and won’t be dismissed as just one of some sort of pack.

Enough said,

[Adamw92]

Look, Adam, I’ve posted very few comments about Marcello at all, and in those I’ve posted on this particular matter, it’s not been about defending Marcello - it’s about the language you used and what that implied. The fact that you have now changed your description from him ‘grabbing’ her neck to ‘his hand literally touched her neck’ is indicative of the fact that you recognise you chose to paint the wrong picture in order to force a certain narrative.

Two wrongs don’t make a right, and just because you feel other members might blow what Ali says out of proportion, they are sharing their interpretation of her actions which just happens to differ from your interpretation. Different opinions and interpretations are fine, and to be expected. What you’ve done here regarding Marcello, however, is basically changed the facts, and that’s the issue.

Finally, before you decide to lump me in with the ‘most of you‘ that you’ve chosen to criticise regarding Ali in your response to me, I think most members would probably agree that I have, in fact, tried to raise awareness here of Ali’s Autistic traits, how they might affect her and how that might mean she is judged harshly by others. I’ve done that in an attempt to create some understanding and empathy for her. I put thought into my comments, use the knowledge and experience I have, and consider the effect of my words on others before each post. I’m an independent thinker, and won’t be dismissed as just one of some sort of pack.

Enough said,

What? I haven’t changed my description at all? He did grab her neck. I used “his hand touched her neck” because you tried to paint it as if his hand barely hovered near it when there was literally skin to skin contact of his hand on her neck, I’ve seen the clip multiple times so don’t try and act like I’m trying to force any kind of narrative just because you don’t agree.

It’s not about me “feeling” anything, Ali literally utters one word in an episode and there’s 5 different threads saying she’s racist, a nasty witch, a bully etc. yet there’s crickets for when Marcello talks about Sarah’s genitals, gaslights her into believing she’s the problem in an argument he started. When I said I’m tired of people constantly defending his actions while vilifying other people like Ali that’s just the truth. Ali has not behaved flawlessly and I won’t deny that but you first instinct was to completely deny what’s literally on video, his hand was around her neck even if it was for barely a couple of seconds.

So yes, enough said.

[GoldHeart]

I’d love if marcello just erased all the snacks

He should have done , but my goodness the hell he'd get for it ..... he'd be classed as ' the worst person ever'. Lily would be crying like a baby :bored: , They all give her too much leeway... to act as bratty and nasty as she likes.

[GoldHeart]

I think they were trying but Lily just bulked in with her sweets.

She was so obnoxious and gross , she storms in and makes demands like she owns the shopping list. She's in a house full of other housemates, she added a ton of sh1t they don't even need. the fuss she made over Marcello removing some of the items, as they went over the budget.. she's not right in the head. Her diet is literally heart disease and diabetes waiting to happen.

[GoldHeart]

… Martha giving false slay, period…

She's trying to hard , and Ali & Lily are not helping.

[GoldHeart]

Don’t necessarily disagree with him about Martha though

same , but i find him insufferable himself .

[arista]

Lily is getting very cocky


Yes she is.

[GoldHeart]

She probably hopes it's about her :laugh:

Exactly , you could tell Ali wanted a piece of the gossip pie ... her little "i don't care" was so false . Plus could Ali get any more boring... she was laid in bed for alot of the time , and looked like her usual miserable self.

[GoldHeart]

Ohh Ali, who's the mean girl?

someone needs to hold up a mirror to her face , and say look who the real mean girl is.

[GoldHeart]

And she’s meant to be Sarah ‘s ‘bestie’ in her own words

which is utter cobblers:joker: , Sarah finds Martha irritating... you can tell there's a awkward atmosphere. Sarah & BP are closer.

[GoldHeart]

Why do they say they think its a secret mission? If they think that they know they'll fail and won't get a reward

This is what always annoys in in BB , there's always big mouths who want their moment in the spotlight and blurt out 500 times "ohhhh is it a secret mission", a smart person would just play along... untill it's over and then say afterwards"oh i knew it" :shrug: .

why do they always have to spoil the fun, it was already a rubbish unconvincing secret mission to begin with, but the housemates could have gone along with it.

[GoldHeart]

Martha and Ali in the bin

They really are useless

[GoldHeart]

That’s how I would feel finally getting coffee

That coffee dance was so cute :laugh:

[GoldHeart]

Knew Ali wouldn't say **** all to Hanah

She's scared of Hanah.

[GoldHeart]

Ali looks annoyed with Lily haha

And yet still she says nothing..... Ali is a joke. Marcello & Khaled breath and it upsets Ali.

[GoldHeart]

The video isn’t as bad as the wording implies. He doesn’t grab her neck but places his beside it - grabbing implies pressure and force, yet there is none. There were also no signs of anger between them when it happened. I think this has been blown up out of proportion to fit the ongoing narrative about Marcello’s treatment of women.

Yeah it's ridiculous ,no doubt if he gets evicted... he'll be called a' woman beater next'. The exaggeration.. my goodness. I knew it wasn't anything serious, as that would have been an instant removal from the house.

[GoldHeart]

Well I’m not going to lie but there are times I would like to put my hand round her throat too…:hehe:

especially in Thursday's episode ... bloody hell :fist::oh: !! , she needed the mute button. I wish BB locked her in a room somewhere far away.

[GoldHeart]

Exactly! People need to look at the footage and decide for themselves whether a man has ‘grabbed’ a woman round the neck in this incident. That sort of wording is inflammatory and sensationalising like something typical of a front page headline from the tabloid press!

Without it being the intention, that sort of language about this incident, both trivialises, and is insulting to, all women who have been subject to neck/throat grabbing or non-fatal strangulation by men they know. Suggestions of this kind should never be thrown around so thoughtlessly and lightly.

Exactly my thoughts aswell :clap1: .

[GoldHeart]

His hand literally touched her neck and then he removed it because he realised he’s on camera. It’s actually so tiring having to argue with people about the way he behaves especially considering how often most of you blow what Ali says out of of proportion while defending this literally creep.

Yeah he's so dangerous & violent , maybe police will arrest him next :idc: . Poor Lily..... the little baby .

[Niamh.]

That’s a fact, Niamh. I do believe that the majority of women killed in DV situations die as a result of strangulation, and most women in these situations suffer non-fatal strangulation during such relationships, even when it does not end in death.

From memory, that’s why the law was changed a couple of years ago to make non-fatal strangulation an offence in itself, separate to any charges for DV. I think, at the time, a non-fatal strangulation conviction came with a custodial sentence, and I can remember this happened in the first case after the law was changed. I hope this is still the case, but I’m not sure if it remains so due to the lack of prison places.



However, in the same way that these charges and sentences are so important, I think it’s equally important that people are aware of the differences between grabbing, squeezing and placing the hands, and of whether those hands are around, or beside the neck.Of course and I did acknowledge that he didn't actually grab her neck but he did say oh I can't do that and took his hand away quickly which was what I thought was a little sinister

[GoldHeart]

Of course and I did acknowledge that he didn't actually grab her neck but he dud say oh I can't do that and took his hand away quickly which was what I thought was a little sinister

Sinister is a strong word, not everything has to have a ulterior meaning. I really don't think Marcello is the monster... he's being painted out to be .

[Niamh.]

Sinister is a strong word, not everything has to have a ulterior meaning. I really don't think Marcello is the monster... he's being painted out to be .This is how it felt to me, he's already shown an unpleasant side to him with regards to women :shrug:

[Ammi]

…I think with Marcello and that moment, it’s more that for me…placing a hand on someone’s throat is not for me a natural motion, it’s more a dominant stance…or seen as that and when it’s coupled with the other hand being placed on a wrist…those two things/body movements were done together …and even then, if he’d never shown or displayed any ‘dominance’ type language in the past…but for me, he has in how he spoke to Sarah when he was angry about the chicken…he really didn’t like Sarah’s own stance and responded with a …who do you think you are, Phil Mitchell/type thing and then went on to dismiss her from his sight because he was so angry with her…those are all things (…as well as the derogatory language he uses to females …)…that come into play for me when I watch that vid…was Lily in any type of danger in the moment or did Marcello hurt her…?…no…but that doesn’t change that, that interaction and those body movements of placing a hand on her wrist and then on her neck/throat, didn’t sit easily for me…

[Ammi]

This is how it felt to me, he's already shown an unpleasant side to him with regards to women :shrug:

…oh, Niamh says it much more succinctly…some past things/interactions are often things that I haven’t felt easy with also…

[Zizu]

Sinister is a strong word, not everything has to have a ulterior meaning. I really don't think Marcello is the monster... he's being painted out to be .


Knowing what we know and what we’ve seen (and what Daze said about the other females being sick of his overly sexual behaviour in the house) plus knowing he works with young people /women ( often troubled) .. you still give him a free pass !!

Yet you and a handful of others continue to viciously denigrate Ali -based on a few minutes of heavily edited highlights

https://x.com/livmonki/status/1848101924559876173



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[joeysteele]

This is how it felt to me, he's already shown an unpleasant side to him with regards to women :shrug:

From his early on commenting on sexual issues with the females in there.
I found his train of thinking pretty gross.

It's why in the main, despite the other showings of him being more sedate on that and also in tasks, being positive, he's never been someone I've liked.

In my view, he's more like the guys who only see women as 'objects' there for his own gratification.
I just find guys like that gross.

[Niamh.]

From his early on commenting on sexual issues with the females in there.

I found his train of thinking pretty gross.



It's why in the main, despite the other showings of him being more sedate on that and also in tasks, being positive, he's never been someone I've liked.



In my view, he's more like the guys who only see women as 'objects' there for his own gratification.

I just find guys like that gross.Yeah, that's my thinking as well Joey, he's shown it on more than one occasion too and he's aware that he's on TV now so I can only imagine he has a lot less of a filter in real life

[joeysteele]

Yeah, that's my thinking as well Joey, he's shown it on more than one occasion too and he's aware that he's on TV now so I can only imagine he has a lot less of a filter in real life

I agree 100% with you there Niamh.

[Zizu]

Yeah, that's my thinking as well Joey, he's shown it on more than one occasion too and he's aware that he's on TV now so I can only imagine he has a lot less of a filter in real life


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[Adamw92]

Yeah he's so dangerous & violent , maybe police will arrest him next :idc: . Poor Lily..... the little baby .

Cause that’s what I was getting at :rolleyes: continue to gloss over the behaviour just cause you don’t like Lily.

[Adamw92]

Knowing what we know and what we’ve seen (and what Daze said about the other females being sick of his overly sexual behaviour in the house) plus knowing he works with young people /women ( often troubled) .. you still give him a free pass !!

Yet you and a handful of others continue to viciously denigrate Ali -based on a few minutes of heavily edited highlights

https://x.com/livmonki/status/1848101924559876173



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Clock it Zizu :clap1: amazing to watch how people can so easily label someone a bully or racist for calling someone’s behaviours fake while completely excusing the misogynistic comments another housemate makes because it’s towards someone they don’t like and he apparently “meant it as a joke”:rolleyes: after the previous comments he’s made and now this, there’s a pattern and it’s not overreacting to point that out. His first instinct to do in reply to her sticking her fingers up at her was to go to strangle her? It’s weird and not okay.

[GoldHeart]

Yeah, that's my thinking as well Joey, he's shown it on more than one occasion too and he's aware that he's on TV now so I can only imagine he has a lot less of a filter in real life

Well I guess we'll see what happens after the show, but I know in the past .... there's even been parents outraged at housemates for dressing a certain way ,or saying inappropriate things,and how their kids watch it . But BB isn't a kid friendly show anyway :facepalm: .

I know young people watch it ,but think about it ... everyone is swearing etc ,so you could argue all their jobs depending on what they do of course...will affect
their situation after BB.


I just think back to all the weird unscrupulous characters BB have had , who have actually been threatening & vulgar and still been popular. And I've thought ehhh :conf: .

[GoldHeart]

Cause that’s what I was getting at :rolleyes: continue to gloss over the behaviour just cause you don’t like Lily.

Like Garfie said ....once you start using wording/ language like " grabbed" & " hands on throat", it instantly freaks us all out into thinking it was more extreme than it actually was .

The way things are described is misleading and can be damaging. Even his row with Sarah in chicken drama,
was already twisted... like he was some threatening
thug.

I'm not glossing over anything, I think it would be more worrying if he didn't realise anytime he over stepped a mark.

[Garfie]

Of course and I did acknowledge that he didn't actually grab her neck but he did say oh I can't do that and took his hand away quickly which was what I thought was a little sinister

I recognised you did, Niamh, and I agree with you in feeling a little uncomfortable by what we observed.

[Garfie]

…I think with Marcello and that moment, it’s more that for me…placing a hand on someone’s throat is not for me a natural motion, it’s more a dominant stance…or seen as that and when it’s coupled with the other hand being placed on a wrist…those two things/body movements were done together …and even then, if he’d never shown or displayed any ‘dominance’ type language in the past…but for me, he has in how he spoke to Sarah when he was angry about the chicken…he really didn’t like Sarah’s own stance and responded with a …who do you think you are, Phil Mitchell/type thing and then went on to dismiss her from his sight because he was so angry with her…those are all things (…as well as the derogatory language he uses to females …)…that come into play for me when I watch that vid…was Lily in any type of danger in the moment or did Marcello hurt her…?…no…but that doesn’t change that, that interaction and those body movements of placing a hand on her wrist and then on her neck/throat, didn’t sit easily for me…

Whilst feeling this particular incident was described and blown up to be something it wasn’t, given the video evidence, I absolutely agree that the combination of information you present here, Ammi, does raise some red flags, and justifiably creates a sense of discomfort in many, including myself.

[Garfie]

What? I haven’t changed my description at all? He did grab her neck. I used “his hand touched her neck” because you tried to paint it as if his hand barely hovered near it when there was literally skin to skin contact of his hand on her neck, I’ve seen the clip multiple times so don’t try and act like I’m trying to force any kind of narrative just because you don’t agree.

It’s not about me “feeling” anything, Ali literally utters one word in an episode and there’s 5 different threads saying she’s racist, a nasty witch, a bully etc. yet there’s crickets for when Marcello talks about Sarah’s genitals, gaslights her into believing she’s the problem in an argument he started. When I said I’m tired of people constantly defending his actions while vilifying other people like Ali that’s just the truth. Ali has not behaved flawlessly and I won’t deny that but you first instinct was to completely deny what’s literally on video, his hand was around her neck even if it was for barely a couple of seconds.

So yes, enough said.

Seriously? The amount of irony in your comments is unfathomable to me, as you are constantly contradicting your own statements!

I credit you with the intelligence to recognise that there is a massive difference between grabbing and touching, and of the picture that emerges as a result! You are now choosing to exclaim in horror ‘there was literally skin to skin contact!’ when I’ve never suggested there wasn’t and, in fact, clearly stated in my own comments that is what I witnessed!

Then you throw out the accusation that ‘your first instinct was to completely deny what’s literally on video’! I suggest that you should, perhaps, re-read my comments, as the evidence is there in black and white, and prove without any doubt, that you are incorrect. Another, irony is that the only person you are fooling by your impulsive and ill-considered accusations is yourself! It seems to me that you are shooting out accusations without allowing yourself to think about what you are actually reading or what, in fact, you are trying to say.

Yet again, you then link a comment I’ve made about one particular Marcello incident with unfair posts that others (not me!) have made about Ali, in your determination to attack and create conflict with me! You add, ’I’m tired of people constantly defending his actions while vilifying other people like Ali’ thereby, implying that is what I am doing, in choosing to aim your comments at me.

And here’s the next irony - very early on I posted my criticism of Marcello’s vulgar ‘bending a woman over the sofa’ comment as being suggestive of the fact he saw and treated women as objects. Alongside that, I have posted a ridiculous number of comments in defence of Ali, to the point that I’ve been attacked for that! It’s called basing my opinions on individual events, not casting wild aspersions based on a judgement I’ve decided upon and stubbornly refuse to adjust and adapt as more information presents itself.

So that just leaves the biggest irony of all…..your criticisms, accusations and attacks on me are targeted at my thoughts and views, which are, in fact, pretty much similar to your own! Unfortunately, you seem unable to see that!

Now, perhaps go and aim your bullets at someone who deserves them, rather than targeting them at someone who doesn’t. And, when you do, perhaps it would be wise to spend some time in considering what has been posted by others, as well as your own wild generalisations, before deciding to respond.