Was Izaaz Implying Nathan Preferred Men

[Jessica.]

When he said Rosie/Baked Tatty wasn't his type?

[Ammi]

…I did think that maybe that’s what he inferred but I’m not completely sure, obviously…if that was what was meant…?…then that would just be his own interpretation of something because Nathan himself has said that he doesn’t put a label on his sexuality/…his attractions…

[Mystic Mock]

Tbf Ali and Dean have basically called Nathan gay in Ali's Patriarchy Pyramid thing.

And let's face it, it's the main reason why I believe the Showmance to be fake, so the three of them wouldn't be wrong imo.

[Niamh.]

Definitely what I picked up from that

[Niamh.]

Tbf Ali and Dean have basically called Nathan gay in Ali's Patriarchy Pyramid thing.

And let's face it, it's the main reason why I believe the Showmance to be fake, so the three of them wouldn't be wrong imo.Well they didn't really, they called him Queer which he is as he's already said he came as gay at one point

[Ammi]

Tbf Ali and Dean have basically called Nathan gay in Ali's Patriarchy Pyramid thing.

And let's face it, it's the main reason why I believe the Showmance to be fake, so the three of them wouldn't be wrong imo.

…he was referred to as queer/the ‘q’ in LGBTQ…which referred correctly, really…Nathan hasn’t stated that ‘men would be his type’ so if that’s what Izaaz meant then that was only his own labelling…

[Mystic Mock]

Well they didn't really, they called him Queer which he is as he's already said he came as gay at one point

I think that they meant it in the traditional sense.

Tbh, it's possibly the worst kept secret on this series of BB imo, because it's clear that Nathan isn't into women.

It's why his Showmance with Rosie is so awkward.

[Ammi]

I think that they meant it in the traditional sense.

Tbh, it's possibly the worst kept secret on this series of BB imo, because it's clear that Nathan isn't into women.

It's why his Showmance with Rosie is so awkward.

…well no, it’s not clear…:laugh:…his fakemance with BP feels awkward because it feels very forced in terms of having evolved…a game play type romance…

[Jessica.]

It sounded like he was implying Nathan had no interest in women which I found odd but it might be something housemates could pick up on that we wouldn't, though I do see no chemistry between the two.

[Mystic Mock]

…he was referred to as queer/the ‘q’ in LGBTQ…which referred correctly, really…Nathan hasn’t stated that ‘men would be his type’ so if that’s what Izaaz meant then that was only his own labelling…

I get that.

But I don't believe Izaaz to be wrong personally.

And tbh if it weren't for the Showmance that he is currently having with Rosie, I wouldn't have even mentioned anything about his sexuality (as it's none of my business) but trying to trick the public into believing a Showmance with Rosie is wrong imo, but that's just my view on it.

[Niamh.]

I think that they meant it in the traditional sense.



Tbh, it's possibly the worst kept secret on this series of BB imo, because it's clear that Nathan isn't into women.



It's why his Showmance with Rosie is so awkward.No I don't think they did, I think they meant he was queer [emoji23]

[Mystic Mock]

…well no, it’s not clear…:laugh:…his fakemance with BP feels awkward because it feels very forced in terms of having evolved…a game play type romance…

I agree to some extent.

For me I feel like when watching the two of them, I feel like Rosie/BP does like men, that's why I feel like she's able to play this Showmance off better than Nathan, who I think just can't fake liking women in that way.

If I'm way off base then I do apologize, but I honestly don't believe that I am.

[Mystic Mock]

No I don't think they did, I think they meant he was queer [emoji23]

Wasn't queer normally aimed towards gay people/fashion though?

Like Queer Eye For The Straight Guy for example?

[Jessica.]

Wasn't queer normally aimed towards gay people/fashion though?

Like Queer Eye For The Straight Guy for example?

Twenty years ago, yes, now it is more of an umbrella term.

[Ammi]

I get that.

But I don't believe Izaaz to be wrong personally.

And tbh if it weren't for the Showmance that he is currently having with Rosie, I wouldn't have even mentioned anything about his sexuality (as it's none of my business) but trying to trick the public into believing a Showmance with Rosie is wrong imo, but that's just my view on it.

…and it’s totally your prerogative to believe wherever your thoughts guide you, Mock…but for me I don’t see any substance in what Izaaz inferred…(…if that’s what he was inferring…)…Nathan wouldn’t be the first housemate to go for a ‘tricking the public gameplay of showmance’ is one thing but sexuality isn’t something that’s necessarily questioned in that ‘fake’….he also hasn’t showed/displayed any flirting or any type of attraction or particular admiration etc to any of the males in the house so far as I can see…so there is no substance or reasoning for Izaaz to contra that BP wouldn’t be his ‘type’….

[Mystic Mock]

Twenty years ago, yes, now it is more of an umbrella term.

I'm becoming a Boomer before my time.:bawling:

[Niamh.]

Wasn't queer normally aimed towards gay people/fashion though?

Like Queer Eye For The Straight Guy for example?

Not anymore, queer used to be a slur for being gay but nowadays it basically means anyone who isn't 100% straight is transgender. That's definitely what they meant when using the word.

[Mystic Mock]

…and it’s totally your prerogative to believe wherever your thoughts guide you, Mock…but for me I don’t see any substance in what Izaaz inferred…(…if that’s what he was inferring…)…Nathan wouldn’t be the first housemate to go for a ‘tricking the public gameplay of showmance’ is one thing but sexuality isn’t something that’s necessarily questioned in that ‘fake’….he also hasn’t showed/displayed any flirting or any type of attraction or particular admiration etc to any of the males in the house so far as I can see…so there is no substance or reasoning for Izaaz to contra that BP wouldn’t be his ‘type’….

I think it's just the vibe that Nathan is giving off if that makes sense?

I'm assuming that Izaaz probably picked up on it more living with him, like you said if he was even inferring that in the first place.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

Not anymore, queer used to be a slur for being gay but nowadays it basically means anyone who isn't 100% straight is transgender. That's definitely what they meant when using the word.

Isn't Bisexual and Pansexual meant to be the terms for people that aren't 100% straight or gay though?

I feel like I'm becoming LT.:bawling:

[Niamh.]

Isn't Bisexual and Pansexual meant to be the terms for people that aren't 100% straight or gay though?

I feel like I'm becoming LT.:bawling:

Yes but queer, like Jess said is more of an Umbrella term for anyone who is gay, bi, trans or whatever others that aren't 100% straight

[Ammi]

I think it's just the vibe that Nathan is giving off if that makes sense?

I'm assuming that Izaaz probably picked up on it more living with him, like you said if he was even inferring that in the first place.:laugh:

…I think for me, the ‘vibe’ that Nathan is giving off is more that he’s creating a storyline of house romance as a way to maybe get through to the final…?…and because of their friendship, BP was the ‘partner’ he chose but there for me is no ‘chemistry’ because it feels forced into being something romantic, which it isn’t…if Nathan had never been revealed as not labelling his sexuality etc but actually had said that he was heterosexual…?…the fakemance soul surely not even be questioned or inferred to as ‘not his type’…it is for me showing a lack of understanding from Izaaz and himself having to try to put a label onto something…

[thesheriff443]

If it looks like sh1t it smells like sh1t you don’t have to taste it to know it’s sh1t

He is the one that referred to the housemates on the screen as seven being fake when he is faking any interest in bp

[Mystic Mock]

Yes but queer, like Jess said is more of an Umbrella term for anyone who is gay, bi, trans or whatever others that aren't 100% straight

Fair enough.

At least I now know what the Q means in LGBTQ.:laugh:

[Ammi]

…:laugh:…what did you think the Q meant, Mock…just out of interest…?..

[Mystic Mock]

…:laugh:…what did you think the Q meant, Mock…just out of interest…?..

I had absolutely no idea.:laugh:

I would've took a guess at something to do with being Non-Binary maybe.

[Ammi]

I had absolutely no idea.:laugh:

I would've took a guess at something to do with being Non-Binary maybe.

…:laugh:…every BB day is a school day, eh…:love:…it would have been good for Izaaz to have voiced his thoughts in the house and then there could have been a discussion…maybe he did and it want aired but he didnt say that he had voiced it so I’m thinking he didn’t…for me, BP doesn’t feel like Nathan’s type because the sincerity isn’t there and he’s pushing something as part of a game plan…it’s funny how his talk is often about game players and fake people and …there we go, Nathan…

[Mystic Mock]

…:laugh:…every BB day is a school day, eh…:love:…it would have been good for Izaaz to have voiced his thoughts in the house and then there could have been a discussion…maybe he did and it want aired but he didnt say that he had voiced it so I’m thinking he didn’t…for me, BP doesn’t feel like Nathan’s type because the sincerity isn’t there and he’s pushing something as part of a game plan…it’s funny how his talk is often about game players and fake people and …there we go, Nathan…

Oh it definitely is a school day with BB.:laugh:

And Nathan talks about people being fake, but never looks at Lily.:joker:

[Cherie]

It sounded like he was implying Nathan had no interest in women which I found odd but it might be something housemates could pick up on that we wouldn't, though I do see no chemistry between the two.

I thought he was very diplomatic with it, but yes he was certainly implying that Nathan did not have romantic feelings for BP

[thesheriff443]

While we are on the subject
Is that why Emma keeps questioning Nathan and bp
She does it in a semi joking way but it puts them in the head lights and they have to keep going deeper down the rabbit hole

[Mystic Mock]

While we are on the subject
Is that why Emma keeps questioning Nathan and bp
She does it in a semi joking way but it puts them in the head lights and they have to keep going deeper down the rabbit hole

It wouldn't shock me.

[thesheriff443]

It wouldn't shock me.

How are you mock ?
I feel queer this morning

[Ammi]

…I’ve kind of yo-you’d a bit with Emma and had a turn around from the beginning…I do like her but the pushing of Nathan and Rosie and involving herself to the extent she does is becoming so cringy and a little creepy…

[Mystic Mock]

How are you mock ?
I feel queer this morning

:laugh:

I'm doing well thanks.

How about yourself?

[thesheriff443]

…I’ve kind of yo-you’d a bit with Emma and had a turn around from the beginning…I do like her but the pushing of Nathan and Rosie and involving herself to the extent she does is becoming so cringy and a little creepy…

I don’t like her
She knows that they will get air time so she keeps being the third wheel knowing she will also get air time

[Vicky.]

While we are on the subject
Is that why Emma keeps questioning Nathan and bp
She does it in a semi joking way but it puts them in the head lights and they have to keep going deeper down the rabbit hole

Hmm possibly

[thesheriff443]

:laugh:

I'm doing well thanks.

How about yourself?

Me and my daughter are on the back end of COVID
This strain has been nasty,

[Ammi]

I don’t like her
She knows that they will get air time so she keeps being the third wheel knowing she will also get air time

….hmmmm, maybe…she is a little bit more of a ‘floater’ isn’t she and she doesn’t get so involved in dramas/confrontations so attaching to ‘the airtime romance’ would be a possibility, I guess…feel better soon btw, with your COVID virus…I know that it has been quite an aggressive strain atm…

[Jessica.]

…I’ve kind of yo-you’d a bit with Emma and had a turn around from the beginning…I do like her but the pushing of Nathan and Rosie and involving herself to the extent she does is becoming so cringy and a little creepy…

Yeah, it's giving schoolyard vibes

[vesavius]

On the subject of Nathan... Is the 1970s Barry Gibbs look back in and I have just missed it?

[thesheriff443]

….hmmmm, maybe…she is a little bit more of a ‘floater’ isn’t she and she doesn’t get so involved in dramas/confrontations so attaching to ‘the airtime romance’ would be a possibility, I guess…feel better soon btw, with your COVID virus…I know that it has been quite an aggressive strain atm…

We should test negative today I’m hoping
It’s been disruptive not been able to collect my dad from dialysis for three days

[Kate!]

On the subject of Nathan... Is the 1970s Barry Gibbs look back in and I have just missed it?

:joker: and yet another corker from Vesavius. On fire this morning.

[thesheriff443]

On the subject of Nathan... Is the 1970s Barry Gibbs look back in and I have just missed it?

Great post

[Ammi]

We should test negative today I’m hoping
It’s been disruptive not been able to collect my dad from dialysis for three days

…hopefully you’ll get that negative today and you’ll be able to begin to do everything you need to again…

[thesheriff443]

…hopefully you’ll get that negative today and you’ll be able to begin to do everything you need to again…

Hopefully

[Lostie!]

I think that they meant it in the traditional sense.

Tbh, it's possibly the worst kept secret on this series of BB imo, because it's clear that Nathan isn't into women.

It's why his Showmance with Rosie is so awkward.

Nah they didn't, queer is a word used to describe people across the entire LGBT+ spectrum. I get the feeling he's bi or pansexual (but him being more on the flamboyant side will always have people presuming he's just gay, just as Ali has had people questioning her lesbianism all series because she's not butch)

[Redway]

Fair enough.

At least I now know what the Q means in LGBTQ.:laugh:

I think the Q means questioning, to be fair.

[Crimson Dynamo]

more made up kids bollocks

[Niamh.]

I think the Q means questioning, to be fair.If you Google it it says it can mean both

[Hunnibunny1991]

I do believe that the romance is typically a showmance. If we had seen the two of them blossom naturally as time went by in the house, then of course it could be believable. However, the fact that this duo was struck up when they were away from the cameras due to the smoke alarms evacuation, makes me believe that the two of them have been able to discuss a game plan between them without implications of big brother rule breaks. It’s a very awkward situation to watch and you can see from a mile away, how forced the situation is.


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[Redway]

Isn't Bisexual and Pansexual meant to be the terms for people that aren't 100% straight or gay though?

I feel like I'm becoming LT.:bawling:

God forbid. Nowhere near.

[bots]

Nathan can do what he likes of course but the pair of them look like complete tits when you see them on TV

[GoldHeart]

Tbf Ali and Dean have basically called Nathan gay in Ali's Patriarchy Pyramid thing.

And let's face it, it's the main reason why I believe the Showmance to be fake, so the three of them wouldn't be wrong imo.

Everything contradicts itself , it is possible Nathan likes both Men & women of course. But the way Ali is putting him firmly in her ' team' ..is pretty rich when he slags Martha off , and she's witnessed him bitching.

BP & Nathan will not last outside the house, Santa clause jumping down all our chimney's this Christmas with a sack of money is more likely to happen.

And I think neither is invested in eachother romantically.

[GoldGlitter]

Not anymore, queer used to be a slur for being gay but nowadays it basically means anyone who isn't 100% straight is transgender. That's definitely what they meant when using the word.

It's still a slur for many gay men. Don't automatically think it's ok to use it.

[UserSince2005]

Once youve tasted cock, pussy just aint going to satisfy you.

[Mystic Mock]

Me and my daughter are on the back end of COVID
This strain has been nasty,

I'm sorry to hear about you both having Covid.

Hopefully you both fully recover soon.

[Mystic Mock]

Nah they didn't, queer is a word used to describe people across the entire LGBT+ spectrum. I get the feeling he's bi or pansexual (but him being more on the flamboyant side will always have people presuming he's just gay, just as Ali has had people questioning her lesbianism all series because she's not butch)

People doing that with Ali always makes me laugh though, as she's never even hinted at being attracted to a guy in the house.:laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

God forbid. Nowhere near.

:laugh:

Thanks Redway.

No offense to LT.

[Niamh.]

It's still a slur for many gay men. Don't automatically think it's ok to use it.I don't use it but that's what it means nowadays [emoji1745]

[Maru]

I don't use it but that's what it means nowadays [emoji1745]

Haven't heard it used as a slur in a really long time.

[GoldHeart]

It's still a slur for many gay men. Don't automatically think it's ok to use it.

But Ali was the one who said it :joker: :huh: .

[vesavius]

But Ali was the one who said it :joker: :huh: .

:joker::joker:

[BBXX]

But Ali was the one who said it :joker: :huh: .

What point are you trying to make?

[Niamh.]

What point are you trying to make?I assume she meant that Ali was the one who said it and she is gay?

[GoldHeart]

I assume she meant that Ali was the one who said it and she is gay?

This

[BBXX]

It is OK to use in the context Ali used it in, to refer to someone who she knows is on the sexuality spectrum but doesn't adhere to a gay/bi label.

I think GoldGlitters point is that if you don't know someone, it's not safe to use the word because for some the only time they hear that said to them is during an insult. I wouldn't care even though I would never call myself Queer but I would find it an odd choice of word for someone to use to describe me without knowing if I referred to myself as that.

[Niamh.]

It is OK to use in the context Ali used it in, to refer to someone who she knows is on the sexuality spectrum but doesn't adhere to a gay/bi label.

I think GoldGlitters point is that if you don't know someone, it's not safe to use the word because for some the only time they hear that said to them is during an insult. I wouldn't care even though I would never call myself Queer but I would find it an odd choice of word for someone to use to describe me without knowing if I referred to myself as that.I'm old enough to remember when it was only used as a slur so it's something that I wouldn't say now anyway regardless of the change of meaning.

[Ammi]

It is OK to use in the context Ali used it in, to refer to someone who she knows is on the sexuality spectrum but doesn't adhere to a gay/bi label.

I think GoldGlitters point is that if you don't know someone, it's not safe to use the word because for some the only time they hear that said to them is during an insult. I wouldn't care even though I would never call myself Queer but I would find it an odd choice of word for someone to use to describe me without knowing if I referred to myself as that.

…yeah, I agree that the context that Ali used was fine …I think it’s a bit more tricky with ‘reclaimed’ words, isn’t it….which is basically what it has been …but outside of the LGBQT community…?…it’s not really a word I would use either, as Niamh said…

[BBXX]

…yeah, I agree that the context that Ali used was fine …I think it’s a bit more tricky with ‘reclaimed’ words, isn’t it….which is basically what it has been …but outside of the LGBQT community…?…it’s not really a word I would use either, as Niamh said…

I think that's completely fair. I do think it's a reclaimed word and so it's 'safer' to use if you're part of the community is sits within.

[Ammi]

I think that's completely fair. I do think it's a reclaimed word and so it's 'safer' to use if you're part of the community is sits within.

…:love:..

[Niamh.]

I think that's completely fair. I do think it's a reclaimed word and so it's 'safer' to use if you're part of the community is sits within.From what I've seen online too there are a lot of older gay people who don't like the fact it's been used the way it is now either.

[BBXX]

From what I've seen online too there are a lot of older gay people who don't like the fact it's been used the way it is now either.

That is also true, and I completely understand why. As a gay guy, I never refer to anyone's sexuality as Queer unless they specifically tell me to. :)

[GoldHeart]

That is also true, and I completely understand why. As a gay guy, I never refer to anyone's sexuality as Queer unless they specifically tell me to. :)

Then you could argue Ali made an assumption by referring to Nathan as that . Didn't he himself say ....he doesn't like labels .

[BBXX]

Then you could argue Ali made an assumption by referring to Nathan as that . Didn't he himself say ....he doesn't like labels .

You could, but you would be ignoring the fact that Ali has lived with Nathan for 3 weeks and knows him better than we do. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that they've had a conversation along with topic and Ali feels like Nathan would be okay with that.

Some people find literally anything to criticise Ali over. It's giving... obsessed :joker:

[Zizu]

Some people find literally anything to criticise Ali over. It's giving... obsessed :joker:


It’s exactly that point that pressurised me out of the BB threads and ultimately into stopping watching the series..


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[GoldHeart]

You could, but you would be ignoring the fact that Ali has lived with Nathan for 3 weeks and knows him better than we do. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that they've had a conversation along with topic and Ali feels like Nathan would be okay with that.

Some people find literally anything to criticise Ali over. It's giving... obsessed :joker:

I disagree, it's hardly obsession when people are saying certain words are offensive to members of a community. I was simply pointing out ... Ali openly used the term .

[BBXX]

I disagree, it's hardly obsession when people are saying certain words are offensive to members of a community. I was simply pointing out ... Ali openly used the term .

You’re (disingenuously) implying Ali used the word in the context of a slur. It wasn’t used as a slur, therefore it wasn’t an offensive word she used. The word can be both offensive and not offensive depending on context. It was quite clear Ali wasn’t using it in an offensive context.

It’s great to see people want to take a stand against LGBT HMs being victim of potential homophobia but that energy could be better spent tackling the actual homophobia that’s been levelled against Ali this season.

[GoldHeart]

You’re (disingenuously) implying Ali used the word in the context of a slur. It wasn’t used as a slur, therefore it wasn’t an offensive word she used. The word can be both offensive and not offensive depending on context. It was quite clear Ali wasn’t using it in an offensive context.

It’s great to see people want to take a stand against LGBT HMs being victim of potential homophobia but that energy could be better spent tackling the actual homophobia that’s been levelled against Ali this season.

Where was the homophobia against her ?:conf::notimpressed: . She herself played that card ...by saying ' the straight boys are top of the hierarchy ' ,I think it went over most of our heads. As it made no sense .

[BBXX]

Where was the homophobia against her ?:conf::notimpressed: . She herself played that card ...by saying ' the straight boys are top of the hierarchy ' ,I think it went over most of our heads. As it made no sense .

Sorry I wasn’t clear - on this very forum and elsewhere. People consistently invalidating her sexuality mainly.