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Poor Martha's barely been out the door 5 minutes and Ali is already fretting about one group 'protecting each other' and her being 'picked off'. It's not all about you Ali fgs
Meanwhile Segun, Hanah and Tom are just having a nice hug about him being safe and not even thinking about any of that stuff. Ali is trying to manufacture a divide that is barely there imo, certainly not enough for them to have any coherent control over who's up. And as for them never even having a chance to be evicted err did you notice who was up last week Ali? Did you notice who else was also there with you this week?
It also seems a big reason for her now costing up to Hanah as she thinks she needs to pull her away from the other group
Black Dagger
30-10-2024, 09:35 PM
Lovely Ali just wanting to be safe and continue enjoying her experience on the show x
Crimson Dynamo
30-10-2024, 09:36 PM
a really awful woman
Tizmee
30-10-2024, 09:41 PM
Ugh! … I can’t with Ali … my list is endless… I just can’t! ….
Didn’t she, along with Dean, nominate 4 from ‘the other side’???
rusticgal
30-10-2024, 09:51 PM
She loves a divide…but it’s just not going her way..:laugh:
She really is trying hard to lure Hanah…I just hope Hanah sees it.
Benjamin
30-10-2024, 09:51 PM
She loves a divide…but it’s just not going her way..:laugh:
She really is trying hard to lure Hanah…I just hope Hanah sees it.
I don’t think Hanah will ditch the guys.
Billy
30-10-2024, 09:52 PM
I really started to come round to her but then she talks about being picked off one by one when that literally hasn’t happened at all. If anything, she and Dean tried to do this when they were HOH but Emma literally put people up from all sides
I really started to come round to her but then she talks about being picked off one by one when that literally hasn’t happened at all. If anything, she and Dean tried to do this when they were HOH but Emma literally put people up from all sides
Exactly and the ones she seems to have it in for have literally no power in there - Khaled keeps ending up for eviction, Marcello has been up, Thomas was just up, Hanah was up until Ali saved her
I don't even think all those people would vote the same way in nominations either tbh
rusticgal
30-10-2024, 10:01 PM
I don’t think Hanah will ditch the guys.
You are probably right…as always :wavey:
Benjamin
30-10-2024, 10:09 PM
You are probably right…as always :wavey:
;)
But unless the guys target her, which I can’t see them doing, she won’t turn on them. She seems quite loyal.
Garfie
30-10-2024, 10:20 PM
Poor Martha's barely been out the door 5 minutes and Ali is already fretting about one group 'protecting each other' and her being 'picked off'. It's not all about you Ali fgs
Meanwhile Segun, Hanah and Tom are just having a nice hug about him being safe and not even thinking about any of that stuff. Ali is trying to manufacture a divide that is barely there imo, certainly not enough for them to have any coherent control over who's up. And as for them never even having a chance to be evicted err did you notice who was up last week Ali? Did you notice who else was also there with you this week?
It also seems a big reason for her now costing up to Hanah as she thinks she needs to pull her away from the other group
Exactly. I really do like Ali but I truly wish she could detach herself from this negative perception, and tinge of paranoia, she seems to be burdened with.
Everyone else this episode seemed to be focused on their appreciation of those they care most about in the house, in showing understanding of other’s feelings and in comforting each other, whereas as poor Ali’s mind seemed to lead her down a much more miserable path, and to a place I do not believe she can feel comfortable being.
Rather than coming from a place of nastiness, I do think it’s her underlying anxiety, insecurity and perhaps, overthinking, that makes her prone to this response to situations. This just makes me sad for her, as I’m not seeing any sense of happiness and enjoyment in her, which makes me feel she is constantly overwhelmed by a sense of unease. For her, I wish she could just let it go, fully relax and enjoy her experience more.
rusticgal
30-10-2024, 10:23 PM
Yes I agree…I don’t think she trusts other women as she does the boys. I am hoping she sees through Ali’s game. Mind you Segan and Marcello are a bit up Ali’s arse too…
vesavius
30-10-2024, 11:32 PM
The only reason anyone has any value to Ali in there is in their potential to be recruited to be a nom that she can control.
Benjamin
31-10-2024, 05:27 AM
What I found funny was how Ali said the other group will pick them off like flies and they haven’t had a chance.
Has she forgotten last week two from the other side were up, and last night two from the other side were up and both times the public has backed the other side and taken someone from her side. It’s not the other side picking her side off, it’s the public. :laugh:
Another fantastic highlight show ruined by one misery guts.
vesavius
31-10-2024, 07:24 AM
What I found funny was how Ali said the other group will pick them off like flies and they haven’t had a chance.
Has she forgotten last week two from the other side were up, and last night two from the other side were up and both times the public has backed the other side and taken someone from her side. It’s not the other side picking her side off, it’s the public. :laugh:
This is a war that Ali started and a divide that she created.
How upsetting it must be to then be losing so badly.
She does seem to let it consume her, and I wish she's let it go. Sometimes it seems like she is, but other times not. I do think it's her own anxiety and paranoia and nothing more and to be honest, it's not surprising given the amount of time you have to think in that house.
However, I don't think she said much that wasn't wrong because she was talking about what's going to happen moving forward - she knows they are outnumbered and she knows they will support one another (she didn't criticise this, she just said they would which it true) and so she knows they're going to picked off one by one, which is left to normal nominations will happen.
She also said that she thought Emma was just being fair, which I thought was nice to do.
I also think she's merging to different things: because put up for eviction, and being saved. In her mind they lost Daze, Izaaz and now Martha - they are being picked off one by one but not so much by the HMs, but the public. It's just she is aware that the HMs will put them there, and the public will pick them off.
All of that is the truth. :shrug:
vesavius
31-10-2024, 08:25 AM
In the end she is simply spooked by the dawning realisation that her little faction just isn't popular on the outside.
She said, emma may have been doing it to be fair.. not that she did do it to be fair.
In the end she is simply spooked by the dawning realisation that her little faction just isn't popular on the outside.
I agree.
She said, emma may have been doing it to be fair.. not that she did do it to be fair.
She was giving her the benefit of the doubt without speaking like it was fact - I think that's pretty reasonable.
ebandit
31-10-2024, 08:39 AM
.....................just when i was warming to ali embracing the red witch role..................
i guess ali can't help herself.................she's desperate to win...............her minds constantly whirring thinking how she can gain advantage
Mark L
She was giving her the benefit of the doubt without speaking like it was fact - I think that's pretty reasonable.
No she gave about 4 possible reasons as to why the 4 if them were picked, your example that you've taken as her final decision was just one of about 4 she out put there. She didn't come to a conclusion.
She does seem to let it consume her, and I wish she's let it go. Sometimes it seems like she is, but other times not. I do think it's her own anxiety and paranoia and nothing more and to be honest, it's not surprising given the amount of time you have to think in that house.
However, I don't think she said much that wasn't wrong because she was talking about what's going to happen moving forward - she knows they are outnumbered and she knows they will support one another (she didn't criticise this, she just said they would which it true) and so she knows they're going to picked off one by one, which is left to normal nominations will happen.
She also said that she thought Emma was just being fair, which I thought was nice to do.
I also think she's merging to different things: because put up for eviction, and being saved. In her mind they lost Daze, Izaaz and now Martha - they are being picked off one by one but not so much by the HMs, but the public. It's just she is aware that the HMs will put them there, and the public will pick them off.
All of that is the truth. :shrug:
…yeah, Ali does seem to be quite an ‘extreme’ of over thinker, really…I don’t know if that’s any big element of her personality outside of the house but it’s definitely displayed inside the house…and I think for me, it feels as though her overthinking/suspicions have well….just been so self destructive in ruining her time in the house in terms of being more open to make connections and not suspicious of motives…yes, other housemates have ‘game play’ but that’s only one aspect of their character and I feel that Ali in a way, with her over thinking…has started the whole experience on a wobbly footing, which she hasn’t been able to quite get her balance with…she’s an interesting person but overly guarded and over thinking…
Cherie
31-10-2024, 08:56 AM
She does seem to let it consume her, and I wish she's let it go. Sometimes it seems like she is, but other times not. I do think it's her own anxiety and paranoia and nothing more and to be honest, it's not surprising given the amount of time you have to think in that house.
However, I don't think she said much that wasn't wrong because she was talking about what's going to happen moving forward - she knows they are outnumbered and she knows they will support one another (she didn't criticise this, she just said they would which it true) and so she knows they're going to picked off one by one, which is left to normal nominations will happen.
She also said that she thought Emma was just being fair, which I thought was nice to do.
I also think she's merging to different things: because put up for eviction, and being saved. In her mind they lost Daze, Izaaz and now Martha - they are being picked off one by one but not so much by the HMs, but the public. It's just she is aware that the HMs will put them there, and the public will pick them off.
All of that is the truth. :shrug:
Daze was close to Hanah, and Izaaz was not part of any group?
Daze was close to Hanah, and Izaaz was not part of any group?
Daze was firmly in the other camp though, even though she was close to Hannah and while Izaaz was not part of any group particularly, he was closer to Ali than most of the others.
Cherie
31-10-2024, 09:02 AM
Daze was firmly in the other camp though, even though she was close to Hannah and while Izaaz was not part of any group particularly, he was closer to Ali than most of the others.
what she should be concerned with is why the public are saving the other group rather than hers, that doesn't seem to have entered or mind or if it has she hasn't voiced it
If anything I'd say Ali's group has had it easier overall. Lily hasn't been up since week 2, BP was only up week 1, Dean has never been up, Sarah has never been up
Benjamin
31-10-2024, 09:12 AM
If anything I'd say Ali's group has had it easier overall. Lily hasn't been up since week 2, BP was only up week 1, Dean has never been up, Sarah has never been up
Sarah isn’t part of Ali’s group
Sarah isn’t part of Ali’s group
I wouldn't say BP is either tbf.
Dean is lucky...his time is coming :fist:
Sarah isn’t part of Ali’s group
Would you say Ali's group is just her, Lily and Dean then?
Nathan/BP/Emma/Sarah as a kind of inbetween group?
Would you say Ali's group is just her, Lily and Dean then?
Nathan/BP/Emma/Sarah as a kind of inbetween group?
I feel like Ali's group is Ali, Lily, Dean with Nathan on the side.
Niamh.
31-10-2024, 09:42 AM
Sarah isn’t part of Ali’s group
She did choose Nathan over Ali though
Benjamin
31-10-2024, 09:56 AM
Would you say Ali's group is just her, Lily and Dean then?
Nathan/BP/Emma/Sarah as a kind of inbetween group?
Yeah. That’s how I see it. And the in between group are the ones who are emerging as the stronger group as they are not necessarily being targeted.
Benjamin
31-10-2024, 09:57 AM
She did choose Nathan over Ali though
You mean Hannah, and I’d say Nathan has drawn away from Ali’s group. He’s gravitated to Emma and Sarah more in the last two weeks.
thesheriff443
31-10-2024, 09:58 AM
It’s the age old thing of thinking theres safety in numbers
There is absolutely no safety in numbers as we have seen over the years in fact it’s one of the biggest downfalls of housemates are those that join certain groups
I think a lot of you worry about who gets nominated or who is left in the house
There can only be ONE winner these day that was not true in the past because certain housemates like jade and others made a fortune despite not winning the show Alison Hammond is another example
But that’s all changed there is no future after bb these days
So back to the one winner , if enough people like you as a housemate you will win
So all the drama that goes on in the show and on here means very little
Niamh.
31-10-2024, 09:58 AM
You mean Hannah, and I’d say Nathan has drawn away from Ali’s group. He’s gravitated to Ben an and Sarah more in the last two weeks.
Yes i mean Hanah :laugh:
Oliver_W
31-10-2024, 10:08 AM
I really like Ali, but her obsession with the divide and social pyramids makes her seem "off".
Benjamin
31-10-2024, 10:46 AM
Yes i mean Hanah :laugh:
:laugh:
she is just voicing what hm's are usually thinking :shrug:
rusticgal
31-10-2024, 10:54 AM
Ali is in there to play the game...and she seems to be doing a good job. She has befriended Hanah...and even Segan may warm to her since he thinks her girlfriend likes him...Marcello seems to have moved more towards Lily and Ali this past week. So those blatent early enemies seem to be drawing towards her because she is not playing the 'bad witch' atm and keeping quiet...making them feel almost guilty of having that bad opinion of her in the first place. When she decided to stay and not walk thats when she changed her gameplan...
Its how they nominate will show us if they have been suckered in or not..
she is just voicing what hm's are usually thinking :shrug:
..you meaning Ali…?…the thing with Ali’s assessments for me is that there may be some truth and they may reflect thoughts of others also…(…with Khaled for instance…)…Emma has also indicated that he seems quite self aware…but when Ali assesses house dynamics, which it would be natural at specific times to do as well…?..whether it’s something she’s conditioned to do more naturally because of her job etc and she’s more prone to assessing/observing the behaviour of others…?…but she seems to often only look outwards and not look both ways of inner as well and asses her own behaviours and actions and words and part in anything etc with an equal depth….there are always two directions to obsess and observe, aren’t there…
i agree, she seems to lack any meaningful self awareness :laugh:
i agree, she seems to lack any meaningful self awareness :laugh:
…yeah I really do think that’s so…I was listening to a bit of audio feed from last night and hew saying that it had never occurred to her that there would be a time when Martha wouldn’t be in the house…that it’s really something that she’d never thought of as a possibility…?…which is just the oddest thing when we’ve sent that she’s such an ‘assessor’ and considers things that we don’t even see as existing…:laugh:…and then a most obvious thing of knowing housemates go and the whole eviction process etc…for me that’s showing her focus as barely ever being on herself in terms of behaviour analysis type stuff…
GoldHeart
31-10-2024, 12:42 PM
what she should be concerned with is why the public are saving the other group rather than hers, that doesn't seem to have entered or mind or if it has she hasn't voiced it
She'll probably think Khaled is some master in disguise who's foolish the public,can tell it irritated her ...that he was saved . You'd think she'd be glad that she's still in the house.
But no she continues to moan and complain, does she expect Khaled's group to turn on eachother . Her tone deaf remark of " they're all protecting eachother" whilst she's also protecting her own friends... just couldn't make this up Cherie :facepalm:. Ali will never have self awareness. She's poisoning Lily's mind aswell...and I can't even stand Lily.
She views people according to whatever group she perceives them as in, which is 99% of issue.
She could just focus on her. There are plenty of people doing that in the house and not being "picked off". It is a game so everyone has to play. You would never vote for someone who makes your time easier in the house and of course you would vote out people who you know make your life harder... This is one of the lesser hostile BBs by far.
Also, she stayed in!! Is that not encouraging somehow??
She views people according to whatever group she perceives them as in, which is 99% of issue.
She could just focus on her. There are plenty of people doing that in the house and not being "picked off". It is a game so everyone has to play. You would never vote for someone who makes your time easier in the house and of course you would vote out people who you know make your life harder... This is one of the lesser hostile BBs by far.
Also, she stayed in!! Is that not encouraging somehow??
…absolutely, it should be encouraging, Maru…and that’s the thing…Ali seems to outwardly look and overthink and over analyse etc ‘to make it make sense’ if you like…because she hasn’t created a balance of self reflection and looking both ways for fault or part in whatever applies to a moment…which means she’ll miss a huge factor that the public haven’t voted her out…
GoldHeart
31-10-2024, 01:16 PM
A normal person would just be happy they're safe ,and try and enjoy it . Thomas & Khaled are just relieved to be still in .
Ali seems to only like be reminded it's a game,when she has control of the outcome.
You people are soooo blinkered as regards Ali ..
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Benjamin
31-10-2024, 03:19 PM
You people are soooo blinkered as regards Ali ..
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When you start watching again your opinion is valid, until then it’s not as you have no idea what you’re talking about. :idc:
When you start watching again your opinion is valid, until then it’s not as you have no idea what you’re talking about. :idc:
What on Earth are you babbling on about now .. it’s surely not that difficult to understand that some posts can be commented on without watching the series
It’s just so tedious to see literally hundreds of posts daily that are 100% critical of Ali … a large % of those are predicting what she will do or say next or analysing what they THINK she has in her mind
It’s bizarre
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Benjamin
31-10-2024, 03:33 PM
What on Earth are you babbling on about now .. it’s surely not that difficult to understand that some posts can be commented on without watching the series
It’s just so tedious to see literally hundreds of posts daily that are 100% critical of Ali … a large % of those are predicting what she will do or say next or analysing what they THINK she has in her mind
It’s bizarre
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Again when you watch your opinion is valid. :idc:
GoldHeart
31-10-2024, 03:37 PM
What on Earth are you babbling on about now .. it’s surely not that difficult to understand that some posts can be commented on without watching the series
It’s just so tedious to see literally hundreds of posts daily that are 100% critical of Ali … a large % of those are predicting what she will do or say next or analysing what they THINK she has in her mind
It’s bizarre
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No offence Zizu , but you are missing huge chunks of HL's from the show.
You don't know what's been happening. Even when I read about something going on in the house ...I always try to see how it was played out ,sure we can all comment...but we can't give a full rounded opinion until we see it all unfold.
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