Getting a warning off BB over a joke.

[Mystic Mock]

We really are in a sensitive society when a Big Brother Housemate is getting a warning over a joke.

I don't care if people like the joke or not, the intent from Sarah wasn't malicious so therefore BB should not be intervening and policing what a Housemate can and cannot say.

And I really can't wait for Hanah to face the public vote next time.

[Benjamin]

We really are in a sensitive society when a Big Brother Housemate is getting a warning over a joke.

I don't care if people like the joke or not, the intent from Sarah wasn't malicious so therefore BB should not be intervening and policing what a Housemate can and cannot say.

And I really can't wait for Hanah to face the public vote next time.

I weirdly think if the vote to win opens tomorrow both Hanah and Sarah would get a few extra votes from both sides of the camp over this.

[Jordan.]

The comment directly offended a group of people in the house, why would they ignore it?

[Mystic Mock]

The comment directly offended a group of people in the house, why would they ignore it?

So what if a bunch of Housemates get offended?

They can always nominate her next time if they don't like the comment, that's the aim of Big Brother.

[UserSince2005]

Those 3 are everything wrong with this country

[FromBB8]

We really are in a sensitive society when a Big Brother Housemate is getting a warning over a joke.

I don't care if people like the joke or not, the intent from Sarah wasn't malicious so therefore BB should not be intervening and policing what a Housemate can and cannot say.

And I really can't wait for Hanah to face the public vote next time.

It wasn't Stop the Gloats which she was told off for. It was freely admitting it's links to "Stop the Boats" which is a sensitive subject for many, due to the way it has been picked up by the political right. It has additional connotations which those of minority background (some, not all) may feel offended by. I can understand why it upset whilst I can also accept that Sarah didn't mean it to offend.

[Mystic Mock]

Those 3 are everything wrong with this country

I hope that you're not meaning it in a certain way?

Because I'm annoyed at BB more than anything, although Hanah running into the Diary Room moaning to BB about Sarah probably didn't help.

[Mystic Mock]

It wasn't Stop the Gloats which she was told off for. It was freely admitting it's links to "Stop the Boats" which is a sensitive subject for many, due to the way it has been picked up by the political right. It has additional connotations which those of minority background (some, not all) may feel offended by. I can understand why it upset whilst I can also accept that Sarah didn't mean it to offend.

I have no issues with anyone (public included) feeling offended or not liking the joke.

What I don't like is BB giving her a warning over it, if Sarah wants to make controversial comments then let her.

I used to think this when Rex complained to BB over Alexandra's "Pow! Pow!" comment during BB9.

It's meant to be a social experiment, not a sanitized Disney production.

[Jordan.]

So what if a bunch of Housemates get offended?

They can always nominate her next time if they don't like the comment, that's the aim of Big Brother.

BB has never given housemates free reign to be as offensive as they want, especially after the race row.

[UserSince2005]

I hope that you're not meaning it in a certain way?

Because I'm annoyed at BB more than anything, although Hanah running into the Diary Room moaning to BB about Sarah probably didn't help.

We need more kemi badenocks and less whiney, low inteligent, low skilled, losers who’s only talent is playing the victim to scrounge every last penny off the great British public.

[GlitterUK]

Has the actual footage been shown when she actually said it? Did anyone pick up on it then? Or has BB just picked the task and gloats comment to create a storm before the final week?

What Sarah said has offended people. So I think BB were right to warn her....however Lily's screaming has also offended Sarah and they have done nothing.

[Mystic Mock]

BB has never given housemates free reign to be as offensive as they want, especially after the race row.

Jokes are allowed Jordan, even unpopular ones.

BB got it wrong on this one.

[Jordan.]

Jokes are allowed Jordan, even unpopular ones.

BB got it wrong on this one.

Easy to say when you aren't the target of the joke.

[Mystic Mock]

We need more kemi badenocks and less whiney, low inteligent, low skilled, losers who’s only talent is playing the victim to scrounge every last penny off the great British public.

Tbf the three that you've mentioned are still quite young, you don't know what they might end up contributing to society.

In particular Khaled and Segun both sound ambitious with what they want to do for society.

I admittedly don't know what Hanah wants to do.

[Mystic Mock]

Easy to say when you aren't the target of the joke.

Even if I was, Sarah's allowed to tell a joke.

Are we seriously so lost as a society that people are seriously going to defend BB for warning a Housemate over a controversial joke?

Years ago everyone would've rightly condemned BB for being so stupid.

[GoldHeart]

Jokes are allowed Jordan, even unpopular ones.

BB got it wrong on this one.

You can see how Hanah would be offended though, this imo is justified unlike Dean's ridiculous accusation towards Marcello. And it proves if Marcello ever said anything offensive, he also would have been given a warning . So weirdly this has cleared Marcello's name aswell lol .

I'm not getting into the whole immigration thing...as I agree about her copying a slogan,but how it was in bad taste ,but it's clearly very sensitive to people, especially those affected ...and Sarah didn't think ie
foot in mouth ,as the comment was aimed at Hanah/ Hanah's group.

Hence Hanah taking it personally. Plus Hanah half joked " is it because we're all coloured" &
Sarah joked back " yes ". It felt so cringe . As Sarah mixed up the comments & situations anyway.

Then they mentioned Thomas being part of the group, and Emma made a Casper joke . It's such a spectacular misunderstanding.

I think Sarah has spent too much time with Nathan,hence why she said it was a" word on play ".

[Mystic Mock]

You can see how Hanah would be offended though, this imo is justified unlike Dean's ridiculous accusation towards Marcello. And it proves if Marcello ever said anything offensive, he also would have been given a warning . So weirdly this has cleared Marcello's name aswell lol .

I'm not getting into the whole immigration thing...as I agree about her copying a slogan,but how it was in bad taste ,but it's clearly very sensitive to people, especially those affected ...and Sarah didn't think ie
foot in mouth ,as the comment was aimed at Hanah/ Hanah's group.

Hence Hanah taking it personally. Plus Hanah half joked " is it because we're all coloured" &
Sarah joked back " yes ". It felt so cringe . As Sarah mixed up the comments & situations anyway.

Then they mentioned Thomas being part of the group, and Emma made a Casper joke . It's such a spectacular misunderstanding.

I think Sarah has spent too much time with Nathan,hence why she said it was a" word on play ".

I understand Hanah being offended, I don't get why she was moaning to BB in the Diary Room about it though,why not just confront Sarah about not liking the joke? It's like she wanted BB to intervene which I'm not a fan of.

[GlitterUK]

I think the opposite Hanah dealt with it well. She could have kicked off and created a bigger stink. This way BB had a quiet word. Be interesting to see if we see Sarah apologise in the next show or anything.

[FromBB8]

I understand Hanah being offended, I don't get why she was moaning to BB in the Diary Room about it though,why not just confront Sarah about not liking the joke? It's like she wanted BB to intervene which I'm not a fan of.

I do wonder whether BB called Hanah to the Diary Room to gauge her opinion.

[Jordan.]

She said in the show why she wouldn't confront Sarah over the comment and she was 100% correct in her reasoning.

[Benjamin]

I think the opposite Hanah dealt with it well. She could have kicked off and created a bigger stink. This way BB had a quiet word. Be interesting to see if we see Sarah apologise in the next show or anything.

Oh she absolutely will apologise and she’ll feel like **** for it too. She meant no ill intent and you can tell she’s the kind of person who will take it badly.

[vesavius]

I think the opposite Hanah dealt with it well. She could have kicked off and created a bigger stink. This way BB had a quiet word. Be interesting to see if we see Sarah apologise in the next show or anything.

She knows the ability to play the racist card is the ultimate power in BB and no further noise is required. Acting offended is enough.

Hanah isn't stupid. She understands how this works.

[GoldHeart]

I understand Hanah being offended, I don't get why she was moaning to BB in the Diary Room about it though,why not just confront Sarah about not liking the joke? It's like she wanted BB to intervene which I'm not a fan of.

Well they all go to the Dr when something is bothering them . She also spoke to Segun about it. But yeah she probably should have confronted Sarah ,but I think she was trying to initially laugh it off ,but it seemed to really upset her deep down.

Well a warning is a warning, it's not like BB kicked her out . Which has happened in the c5 days ... sometimes we didn't even get shown the reason. Remember Lewis F
,we never knew what he did to get removed.

[Redway]

So what if a bunch of Housemates get offended?

They can always nominate her next time if they don't like the comment, that's the aim of Big Brother.

It’s different when there are racial connotations, though, Mock. I don’t think Sarah intended to come across that way and it really is most-likely what she says it is but I really don’t think you can expect Sarah not to get a talking to for making a comment that could potentially be seen as offensive, whether that’s how she meant it or not. We all have the capacity to offend people and no-one’s above a talking-to about it.

[vesavius]

I don't care if people like the joke or not, the intent from Sarah wasn't malicious so therefore BB should not be intervening and policing what a Housemate can and cannot say.


We are soooo many years past this point that it's but a distant dream.

[GoldHeart]

I do wonder whether BB called Hanah to the Diary Room to gauge her opinion.

Actually this could be true

[Mrluvaluva]

I think my view is that what one person might consider as non-offensive another might. So around certain aspects of conversation you might want to think about things more rather than just dive in. I don't think Sarah meant it in a malicious way and I'm not actually sure it was a warning because they normally say something along the lines of "Big Brother has no other option but to issue a warning because of this". I think they were just having a chat to bring to Sarah's attention that she had upset others. Maybe Hanah could have handled it slightly better but ultimately it creates discussion and something might be learnt from this.

[vesavius]

I think my view is that what one person might consider as non-offensive another might. So around certain aspects of conversation you might want to think about things more rather than just dive in.

No one can give offense though, it can only be taken, so I would suggest to those people who take it too easily or look to weaponize the perception of it to go away and do some work on themselves.

[Redway]

Even if I was, Sarah's allowed to tell a joke.

Are we seriously so lost as a society that people are seriously going to defend BB for warning a Housemate over a controversial joke?

Years ago everyone would've rightly condemned BB for being so stupid.

I’m really not gonna agree with you on this one, Mock. Racism’s no joke and it never has been. She didn’t mean it like that, okay, but if a misunderstanding of that implied kind happens, I’d see it as common decency as much as it is their duty of care to point out to Sarah why the joke didn’t land in the way she was hoping it would. It’s really not about being a snowflake or too quick to take offence. When you’ve never been the target of marginalisation and discrimination it’s easy to not understand why some people might interpret certain things you say and do in a negative light but really B.B. had as much right to have a quiet word with Sarah as a black woman has to tell people not to touch her hair if she’s not cool with it, or just assuming by-default that it’s okay to touch it. On the other side you might understand completely but there is a way to respectfully hold space for your words and actions and just try and see it from the other side’s perspective. It would be a different story if she was put up for eviction just for that but having a word with her definitely wasn’t inappropriate.

[Redway]

No one can give offense though, it can only be taken, so I would suggest to those people who take it too easily or look to weaponize the perception of it to go away and do some work on themselves.

It’s all-too easy to say that from a position of privilege.

[Mystic Mock]

She said in the show why she wouldn't confront Sarah over the comment and she was 100% correct in her reasoning.

If Sarah kicks off over being confronted then that tells everyone watching the Show that Sarah is an idiot that can't handle people having issues with her conduct.

[Mystic Mock]

She knows the ability to play the racist card is the ultimate power in BB and no further noise is required. Acting offended is enough.

Hanah isn't stupid. She understands how this works.

I agree.

[Mrluvaluva]

No one can give offense though, it can only be taken, so I would suggest to those people who take it too easily or look to weaponize the perception of it to go away and do some work on themselves.

Of course you can give offence if you cause someone to feel offended. As in they caused offence because....

We're all different. No matter what our personal views are. I would just apologise in this instance stating that I intended no malice in what I said and let it blow over.

I'm not easily offended but others are.

Unless I've misinterpreted your comment...

[Mystic Mock]

Well they all go to the Dr when something is bothering them . She also spoke to Segun about it. But yeah she probably should have confronted Sarah ,but I think she was trying to initially laugh it off ,but it seemed to really upset her deep down.

Well a warning is a warning, it's not like BB kicked her out . Which has happened in the c5 days ... sometimes we didn't even get shown the reason. Remember Lewis F
,we never knew what he did to get removed.

Lewis F reportedly got thrown out over a joke about Auschwitz, which if true is even worse than Sarah's punishment.

Jokes should never be punished by BB, I will always passionately defend a Housemates right to tell a joke.

[Mystic Mock]

It’s different when there are racial connotations, though, Mock. I don’t think Sarah intended to come across that way and it really is most-likely what she says it is but I really don’t think you can expect Sarah not to get a talking to for making a comment that could potentially be seen as offensive, whether that’s how she meant it or not. We all have the capacity to offend people and no-one’s above a talking-to about it.

No, BB has no right to tell a Housemate what they can and can't joke about, there is no rule on BB that says that they can either.

But even if there was, it would still be wrong.

[Mystic Mock]

We are soooo many years past this point that it's but a distant dream.

The fact that some people are justifying policing jokes is just... Concerning to say the least.

We really need to come together as a fandom and tell BB that it's wrong to do what they did to Sarah last night, because it simply was wrong.

[Mystic Mock]

I think my view is that what one person might consider as non-offensive another might. So around certain aspects of conversation you might want to think about things more rather than just dive in. I don't think Sarah meant it in a malicious way and I'm not actually sure it was a warning because they normally say something along the lines of "Big Brother has no other option but to issue a warning because of this". I think they were just having a chat to bring to Sarah's attention that she had upset others. Maybe Hanah could have handled it slightly better but ultimately it creates discussion and something might be learnt from this.

BB shouldn't be having a word with Sarah about it either.

They should leave Sarah to her own devices, unless she does something that warrants BB's attention.

[Redway]

No, BB has no right to tell a Housemate what they can and can't joke about, there is no rule on BB that says that they can either.

But even if there was, it would still be wrong.

Like I said, it was just common decency, Mock. If I said something that potentially came across as offensive in such a fundamentally serious way and I didn’t mean it like that, I’d want to know about it, if nothing else to prevent future misunderstandings and square it with an apology there. Racism and xenophobia are too serious for things like that (intentional or not, and I really do believe it was unintentional in the case of Sarah) to just be wrapped up as a joke. It’s just like making an allusion to black people being monkeys because Segun or Makosi ate a banana. It might not be intended but if it comes across as potentially racially offensive, it’s only right to be called up on that. And, again, it’s easy to dismiss these things as “just a joke” when you’re not part of a group that’s been historically marginalised or oppressed but you’ve just got to have that awareness and understand how what you say might come across as a certain way to someone from that group. So far as your intentions are good and it’s not truly beyond the bounds of what could be understood as a joke from either side, hopefully that’s as far as it goes, and as for as B.B. is concerned that is the end of the matter where Sarah’s involved. It wasn’t a punishment. It was just a quiet word.

I know you don’t mean any harm yourself but I’m really not going to agree with you on this one.

[Mystic Mock]

I’m really not gonna agree with you on this one, Mock. Racism’s no joke and it never has been. She didn’t mean it like that, okay, but if a misunderstanding of that implied kind happens, I’d see it as common decency as much as it is their duty of care to point out to Sarah why the joke didn’t land in the way she was hoping it would. It’s really not about being a snowflake or too quick to take offence. When you’ve never been the target of marginalisation and discrimination it’s easy to not understand why some people might interpret certain things you say and do in a negative light but really B.B. had as much right to have a quiet word with Sarah as a black woman has to tell people not to touch her hair if she’s not cool with it, or just assuming by-default that it’s okay to touch it. On the other side you might understand completely but there is a way to respectfully hold space for your words and actions and just try and see it from the other side’s perspective. It would be a different story if she was put up for eviction just for that but having a word with her definitely wasn’t inappropriate.

I think that we're going to have to agree to disagree Redway.

A joke is not the same as some stranger touching your hair without asking as that's an invasion of someone's personal space.

Plus Ali has made Misandrist gameplay moves and comments throughout the series, is she going to get a warning for that then? Or other dodgy moments that other Housemates have had that haven't been politically correct, but weirdly haven't been pulled up by BB.

Btw I don't want these Housemates pulled up by BB, but fair's fair at the end of the day.

[Redway]

I think that we're going to have to agree to disagree Redway.

A joke is not the same as some stranger touching your hair without asking as that's an invasion of someone's personal space.

Plus Ali has made Misandrist gameplay moves and comments throughout the series, is she going to get a warning for that then? Or other dodgy moments that other Housemates have had that haven't been politically correct, but weirdly haven't been pulled up by BB.

Btw I don't want these Housemates pulled up by BB, but fair's fair at the end of the day.

Yeah, I think I gathered.

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah, I think I gathered.

:laugh:

[GlitterUK]

It makes me wonder if Sarah was doing too well for their liking so had to take her down a bit.

Lily should be talked to about the screaming.

[Mrluvaluva]

In Sarah’s own words...

After informing Segun Shodipo of the matter, Hanah subsequently entered the Diary Room to explain her dissatisfaction with the remark, explaining that she was “irritated” by the line and “didn’t find it funny.”

Sarah was later called to the Diary Room, with Big Brother explaining that Sarah’s choice of language around the political reference had “impacted other Housemates”, adding that the “Big Brother House [was] made up of people from all walks of life with different life experiences.”

“I’d obviously like to say that if I offended anybody by making that kind of joke, I am genuinely 100% remorseful,” said Sarah in reply. “That is down to my own stupidity and selfishness thinking that me making a joke with word play and being like ‘haha good joke’ and not thinking with forethought about how that would affect other people.

“That perhaps the original phrase would offend or have connotations too. People's feelings are totally valid and if they do feel offended by that I am so so sorry. I have no malice in my heart. I have no malintent against anyone.”

Big Brother added that they “cannot permit language which is likely to be considered offensive by Housemates or the viewing public”, with Sarah ending by saying that she “very much” understood why concerns were raised.

[Maru]

woops again...

[Mystic Mock]

Like I said, it was just common decency, Mock. If I said something that potentially came across as offensive in such a fundamentally serious way and I didn’t mean it like that, I’d want to know about it, if nothing else to prevent future misunderstandings and square it with an apology there. Racism and xenophobia are too serious for things like that (intentional or not, and I really do believe it was unintentional in the case of Sarah) to just be wrapped up as a joke. It’s just like making an allusion to black people being monkeys because Segun or Makosi ate a banana. It might not be intended but if it comes across as potentially racially offensive, it’s only right to be called up on that. And, again, it’s easy to dismiss these things as “just a joke” when you’re not part of a group that’s been historically marginalised or oppressed but you’ve just got to have that awareness and understand how what you say might come across as a certain way to someone from that group. So far as your intentions are good and it’s not truly beyond the bounds of what could be understood as a joke from either side, hopefully that’s as far as it goes, and as for as B.B. is concerned that is the end of the matter where Sarah’s involved. It wasn’t a punishment. It was just a quiet word.

I know you don’t mean any harm yourself but I’m really not going to agree with you on this one.

Fair enough.

I personally think that anyone making monkey or ape comments towards black Housemates (like Caroline did to Adam years ago like someone else has referenced on here tonight) is probably not joking imo, as I wouldn't even know where the punchline would even be.

[madman411]

This is why Big Brother doesn't work in this day and age. We are too politically correct for a show like this to work now. Big Brother is all about the social experiment, raw and uncut nature of humans living together in a confined space. I do not justify Sarah's comment in any way, but with the good comes the bad, and we have to take both on the chin. This doesn't even scratch the controversy that was CBB5 which warranted the reaction it got. Sarah and Hannah should've had a conversation about it and made their peace, end of story.

The OP is right - this is not a sanitized Disney production, although the way it's being edited does give hints of American soap opera.

[jones89]

Like I said, it was just common decency, Mock. If I said something that potentially came across as offensive in such a fundamentally serious way and I didn’t mean it like that, I’d want to know about it, if nothing else to prevent future misunderstandings and square it with an apology there. Racism and xenophobia are too serious for things like that (intentional or not, and I really do believe it was unintentional in the case of Sarah) to just be wrapped up as a joke. It’s just like making an allusion to black people being monkeys because Segun or Makosi ate a banana. It might not be intended but if it comes across as potentially racially offensive, it’s only right to be called up on that. And, again, it’s easy to dismiss these things as “just a joke” when you’re not part of a group that’s been historically marginalised or oppressed but you’ve just got to have that awareness and understand how what you say might come across as a certain way to someone from that group. So far as your intentions are good and it’s not truly beyond the bounds of what could be understood as a joke from either side, hopefully that’s as far as it goes, and as for as B.B. is concerned that is the end of the matter where Sarah’s involved. It wasn’t a punishment. It was just a quiet word.

I know you don’t mean any harm yourself but I’m really not going to agree with you on this one.

So Sarah says a joke.. totally not meaning to be offensive but someone takes offence.. why should that be Sarah’s fault? Some people should work on not being so offended by things that clearly were not meant to be offensive.. it’s a two way street

[Redway]

Fair enough.

I personally think that anyone making monkey or ape comments towards black Housemates (like Caroline did to Adam years ago like someone else has referenced on here tonight) is probably not joking imo, as I wouldn't even know where the punchline would even be.

Is that Caroline from BB13? She was a messy bish but I liked her.

[Mystic Mock]

Is that Caroline from BB13? She was a messy bish but I liked her.

Yeah, she called Adam a Gorilla at one point in the series.

And I definitely found her to be an interesting watch, I'll meet you halfway on that.:laugh:

[GoldHeart]

BB shouldn't be having a word with Sarah about it either.

They should leave Sarah to her own devices, unless she does something that warrants BB's attention.

The problem with BB is they are very inconsistent when it comes to what is and isn't offensive,in this day and age...I think it's safe to say it's got to the stage where people have to be careful. We have gotten very PC ,but at the same time...I think BB is worried about complaints.

In the past housemates have definitely said far worse, the fact you're saying a housemate called a black person a " monkey " ( I actually didn't know about that ) , I didn't watch that series. That most definitely has racist tones.

I agree with you on parts ,you know I hate censorship. But obviously it depends on the situation. I think a big part of this must have been the fact Hanah herself didn't find it funny .

It may also have something to do with the fact Sarah & Hanah don't exactly have that type of friendship/ they're
not as close , another example is when Khaled got offended by her comments in the garden task... again they don't have that strong relationship, some friends who get on well and know eachother , will roast eachother and even make risque jokes.

And the fact it was about " gloating" already a negative trait, so Hanah was never going to take it well.

Interesting Nathan's comments once again get brushed off ,he called Khaled's group " fake & vain" ,but it seemed to get forgotten about :rolleyes:.

[caprimint]

All the woke people want to be offended over anything nowadays to be the victim and Hanah is clearly one of them

[vesavius]

Of course you can give offence if you cause someone to feel offended. As in they caused offence because....



No, sorry.

The responsibility for becoming offended lies with the listener. A person has agency and chooses to be offended or not. You can not like something or disagree with a thing but being offended is an emotional reaction that an individual can control, just as those with anger issues can do the work to control that.

We won't even talk about the people who actively seek-out offence. They would cross the road to be offended. They relish the social credit that being offended can give them... The power over the other.

[vesavius]

It’s all-too easy to say that from a position of privilege.

I wasn't aware that we had met.

What privilege are you assuming?

[Mrluvaluva]

I don't agree with Mystic on some levels but I do on others, and other people's comments. I mean who doesn't remember this?

Bj4jMww3ol4

That was much worse, and though Emily meant no offence, and Charley didn't really take offence initially, it blew up.

J2j0iQ9uT_g

I appreciate it's a whole different scenario but then Shabnam became more offended over the whole thing rather than Charley.

[vesavius]

I don't agree with Mystic on some levels but I do on others, and other people's comments. I mean who doesn't remember this?

Bj4jMww3ol4

That was much worse, and though Emily meant no offence, and Charley didn't really take offence initially, it blew up.

J2j0iQ9uT_g

I appreciate it's a whole different scenario but then Shabnam became more offended over the whole thing rather than Charley.

Justice for Emily

[Mrluvaluva]

No, sorry.

The responsibility for becoming offended lies with the listener. A person has agency and chooses to be offended or not. You can not like something or disagree with a thing but being offended is an emotional reaction that an individual can control, just as those with anger issues can do the work to control that.

We won't even talk about the people who actively seek-out offence. They would cross the road to be offended. They relish the social credit that being offended can give them... The power over the other.

Don't agree with you on that and never will. No apologies. :)

[vesavius]

Don't agree with you on that and never will. No apologies. :)

That's fine, your disagreement doesn't offend me and I never demand an apology ;)

[Mrluvaluva]

That's fine, your disagreement doesn't offend me and I never demand an apology ;)

Vice versa. That's why I like reading your views on matters. If we all agreed, on one hand it might be simpler, but somehow quite banal.

That's why I brought up the Emily/Charley situation as others have made different analogies.

Emily, in my mind, wasn't intending her comments to be disrespectful, but then inadvertently caused offence by the way they were conveyed to another HM.

Some people use the N word in a certain way, as in alright niga Meaning my friend. I'm not going to edit out my words. Others get offended.

When I have friends round I greet them with "Alright you C U next Tuesday". My friends know me and laugh at it. It's a term of endearment. Meaning I am relaxed with you and I can say that. I'm less wary of doing that with other people I don't know too well.

Some things seem ok for one person to say but not another. Depending on your background and intention. Not sure background is the right word in this instance. It's all subjective.

I'm going off on a different tangent. :)

[vesavius]

Vice versa. That's why I like reading your views on matters. If we all agreed, on one hand it might be simpler, but somehow quite banal.

That's why I brought up the Emily/Charley situation as others have made different analogies.

Emily, in my mind, wasn't intending her comments to be disrespectful, but then inadvertently caused offence by the way they were conveyed to another HM.

Some people use the N word in a certain way, as in alright niga Meaning my friend. I'm not going to edit out my words. Others get offended.

When I have friends round I greet them with "Alright you ******". My friends know me and laugh at it. It's a term of endearment. Meaning I am relaxed with you and I can say that. I'm less wary of doing that with other people I don't know too well.

Some things seem ok for one person to say but not another. Depending on your background and intention. Not sure background is the right word in this instance. It's all subjective.

Emily didn't cause offence, the others slowly chose to take it. Charly didn't even do that until she started to realise that there was social currency in being offended.

Look, personally, if I know a person is unable to control their emotional responses to a thing I tend to avoid exposing them to that thing if I can because I prefer to not be an asshole (most of the time) but I still recognise that only they have the power to control to be offended or not.

If a person cannot control their emotional responses to a thing they should really work on that, as I say. Letting hostile people control who you are as a person so easily isn't great.

Do you agree that therapy can help with anger management issues at least?

[Redway]

I wasn't aware that we had met.

What privilege are you assuming?

You know exactly what I’m talking about.

[vesavius]

You know exactly what I’m talking about.

I honestly do not :joker:

[Mrluvaluva]

Emily didn't cause offence, the others slowly chose to take it. Charly didn't even do that until she started to realise that there was social currency in being offended.

Look, personally, if I know a person is unable to control their emotional responses to a thing I tend to avoid exposing them to that thing if I can because I prefer to not be an asshole (most of the time) but I still recognise that only they have the power to control to be offended or not.

If a person cannot control their emotional responses to a thing they should really work on that, as I say. Letting hostile people control who you are as a person so easily isn't great.

Do you agree that therapy can help with anger management issues at least?

But she did cause offence because without her saying that there wouldn't have been an issue. It was her words that instigated the whole thing. We're obviously not going to agree on that.

And as I said Emily inadvertently caused offence to others. Charley said she was ok with it but couldn't let it go.

Sometimes we can't help our emotional responses. We're all human after all.

In response to your last question I think therapy does help in certain situations. And it's down to certain factors. I'm a great believer in encouraging someone to talk and let their emotions out rather than just bottle them up.

[GoldHeart]

Are people really defending Emily calling Charley the N word ? :joker: :facepalm: ...I just can't. Emily is white , she said she had friends who called her it, and that was her excuse for saying it.

There's also rumours she got paid to say it ,not sure if that's true . As she kept profusely apologising when Dermot interviewed her.

But then saying that , Maxwell a straight guy called Craig the F word as a joke,when they were pranking eachother in BB6 . And Craig didn't care.


They'd only just met,what made her think she had that rapport to call Charley that ? . And actually Charley instantly drew attention to it by saying " you're going to get into trouble for that " , and she kept talking about it. So it clearly offended Charley ,the more she kept thinking about it .

[vesavius]

But she did cause offence because without her saying that there wouldn't have been an issue. It was her words that instigated the whole thing. We're obviously not going to agree on that.

And as I said Emily inadvertently caused offence to others. Charley said she was ok with it but couldn't let it go.

Sometimes we can't help our emotional responses. We're all human after all.

In response to your last question I think therapy does help in certain situations. And it's down to certain factors. I'm a great believer in encouraging someone to talk and let their emotions out rather than just bottle them up.

And as I said, she didn't cause anything. Charley wasn't even offended until others told her she should be :joker:

Look, it's good to have emotions, I am not saying be a robot, I am saying that if your emotions control you rather than the other way around then you are in trouble.

Existing in a state of perpetual offense is really unhealthy. It also makes every discussion emotion based which in turn makes it next to impossible to find a middle ground.

[vesavius]

Are people really defending Emily calling Charley the N word ?

Not really, the conversation is a bit more nuanced than that.

As I said, I personally choose to not use it because I know some people do allow it to offend them.

But I can't hate Emily for not thinking that way in that moment... She was just messing around with people she considered friends and it slipped out. Her intent was clearly not to be hateful or malicious and intent does matter to me.

But, still, it was a stupid and inconsiderate thing to say.

But her head was full of having just invented indie music so she probably just wasn't thinking.

[Mrluvaluva]

Are people really defending Emily calling Charley the N word ? :joker: :facepalm: ...I just can't. Emily is white , she said she had friends who called her it, and that was her excuse for saying it.

There's also rumours she got paid to say it ,not sure if that's true . As she kept profusely apologising when Dermot interviewed her.

But then saying that , Maxwell a straight guy called Craig the F word as a joke,when they were pranking eachother in BB6 . And Craig didn't care.


They'd only just met,what made her think she had that rapport to call Charley that ? . And actually Charley instantly drew attention to it by saying " you're going to get into trouble for that " , and she kept talking about it. So it clearly offended Charley ,the more she kept thinking about it .

So you just said it yourself. Is it ok for a black person to say such a thing but not a white person? There are certain contradictions sometimes over intention. I saw no malice in what Emily said but you've just opened up the boundaries of what is acceptable as defined by the modern world.

[vesavius]

So you just said it yourself. Is it ok for a black person to say such a thing but not a white person?

I don't think anyone gets to say what is ok or not for another person to say.

I don't use the N word because I am told I am not 'allowed to', I don't say it because I know some people can't control themselves and I don't go out of my way to make others mad because what's the point?

[GoldHeart]

So you just said it yourself. Is it ok for a black person to say such a thing but not a white person? There are certain contradictions sometimes over intention. I saw no malice in what Emily said but you've just opened up the boundaries of what is acceptable as defined by the modern world.

You can say it's contradictions all you like,but that's life. There's women who will call eachother " bitch " as a joke,but the moment a man calls them it then it's seen as sexist , there's gay people who use non PC words to describe themselves and so on .

I didn't say it all made sense,or that I even agreed with the double standards...but I guess their argument would be they've been called all the names under the sun so they're taking a particular word,which had negative
connotations...and they're re claiming it :shrug:.

This is why it gets into a messy arguments , as some people have the mindset of " either all offensive/ swear words are allowed or they're all not allowed ", but it's not
as simple as that.

Obviously context is important as well. Look at the whole situation with Ali , she did a full discussion with her housemates on how certain words are offensive unless the person themselves identify that way . Today is
honestly such a tip toe world, and people are very overly sensitive.


I think Emily possibly would have got just a warning if it was pre BB8 . Emily herself sounded like she couldn't believe what she said , she even repeated it in shock.


I just think it's common sense, why would you say something on national TV that would likely cause offence, especially around race. I honestly think Emily's
comment is worse than Sarah's,as Sarah's was a word
play on a political slogan, she was making a joke...that she knew Nathan would find funny.


BB saw how Hanah ,Segun & Khaled took it personally, therefore he stepped in.

[Vanessa]

Sarah didn't mean it that way at all. It was probably a bad choice of words, nothing more.

[Mrluvaluva]

I don't think anyone gets to say what is ok or not for another person to say.

I don't use the N word because I am told I am not 'allowed to', I don't say it because I know some people can't control themselves and I don't go out of my way to make others mad because what's the point?

I was asking a question. I personally don't use that term because of it's derogatory connotations, but again, it depends on the context of the way you use it. My point was it's socially acceptable for some, but not others. Oh to live in a world where the colour of your skin didn't matter. It's actually quite crazy when you think about it. Unfortunately it's in certain people's mindsets.

[vesavius]

Sarah didn't mean it that way at all. It was probably a bad choice of words, nothing more.

Definitely.

She used it in the context of protecting their 'border' Vs the vampires, and she used it to a group that was half white.

The vampire group were literally gloating at the start.

But, as it's always worth saying, controlling a nation's border against illegal immigration is not racist.

[GoldHeart]

I don't think anyone gets to say what is ok or not for another person to say.

I don't use the N word because I am told I am not 'allowed to', I don't say it because I know some people can't control themselves and I don't go out of my way to make others mad because what's the point?

Like I said Emily did not have that rapport with Charley, they'd just met, plus it's how things are perceived whether we like it or not.

I'm not going to start calling white people " cracker" for a laugh, as I know it's offensive.


If Khaled had just met Ali and called her the D word ...I'm pretty sure she'd go ballistic. And as we know Ali already overthinks stuff ,so can you imagine.

[Mrluvaluva]

You can say it's contradictions all you like,but that's life. There's women who will call eachother " bitch " as a joke,but the moment a man calls them it then it's seen as sexist , there's gay people who use non PC words to describe themselves and so on .

I didn't say it all made sense,or that I even agreed with the double standards...but I guess their argument would be they've been called all the names under the sun so they're taking a particular word,which had negative
connotations...and they're re claiming it :shrug:.

This is why it gets into a messy arguments , as some people have the mindset of " either all offensive/ swear words are allowed or they're all not allowed ", but it's not
as simple as that.

Obviously context is important as well. Look at the whole situation with Ali , she did a full discussion with her housemates on how certain words are offensive unless the person themselves identify that way . Today is
honestly such a tip toe world, and people are very overly sensitive.


I think Emily possibly would have got just a warning if it was pre BB8 . Emily herself sounded like she couldn't believe what she said , she even repeated it in shock.


I just think it's common sense, why would you say something on national TV that would likely cause offence, especially around race. I honestly think Emily's
comment is worse than Sarah's,as Sarah's was a word
play on a political slogan, she was making a joke...that she knew Nathan would find funny.


BB saw how Hanah ,Segun & Khaled took it personally, therefore he stepped in.


I wasn't saying you had contradictions. I was just saying you brought up the whole thing about colour and creed which is a fundamental part of this issue. Although I did to be fair. :)

[vesavius]

Like I said Emily did not have that rapport with Charley, they'd just met

If Khaled had just met Ali and called her the D word ...I'm pretty sure she'd go ballistic. And as we know Ali already overthinks stuff ,so can you imagine.

The house is like a holiday romance... it moves fast and people get close fast.

Yes, Ali would probably go ballistic because she is an utter nightmare and would leverage it to it's fullest.

[GoldHeart]

I wasn't saying you had contradictions. I was just saying you brought up the whole thing about colour which is a fundamental part of this issue.

I mean Charley herself did a public talk after BB saying she doesn't think anyone should use the N word regardless of your colour, and tbh that was always my thinking aswell on the matter. But at the same time we can't police language.

But there's is still ignorance out there ,I've actually been in a situation where someone didn't know what the word meant....and I had to explain it .

[arista]

We really are in a sensitive society when a Big Brother Housemate is getting a warning over a joke.

I don't care if people like the joke or not, the intent from Sarah wasn't malicious so therefore BB should not be intervening and policing what a Housemate can and cannot say.

And I really can't wait for Hanah to face the public vote next time.



Yes Stop The Boats

Stop the Gloats

Did seem Strange
to be told off about

[GoldHeart]

Did BB actually give her a warning? , I didn't hear him say that. But I guess it was implied .

[Ammi]

…I feel the whole thing is just quite unfortunate, really…it’s almost as if it would have been more the thing to have called in any housemates who felt uncomfortable with the pun/comment as well…kind of, do you understand Sarah, how this could make someone feel…and also balance that with…do you understand how this wasn’t meant…etc…maybe I’m going too deep there but it’s just all very …unfortunate…and unfortunately in the world we live in/in the internet world etc…unfortunate can/has/and does lead to some awful things being thrown toward someone…I still don’t quite understand how if it was a chant that Sarah and Nathan both did in the task…?…how Nathan wasn’t called in as well to the diary room…

[Ammi]

Did BB actually give her a warning? , I didn't hear him say that. But I guess it was implied .

…no, I think it was explained how something could offend with the diversity of the group…but I don’t think it was a warning, it wasn’t a purposeful thing…I mean, Sarah was devastated that there was seen to be any undertones of anything racist related…

[GoldHeart]

…no, I think it was explained how something could offend with the diversity of the group…but I don’t think it was a warning, it wasn’t a purposeful thing…I mean, Sarah was devastated that there was seen to be any undertones of anything racist related…

I think threads on here are assuming BB gave her a warning ,but we didn't actually hear him give her 1. But I guess it's insinuating it is...as he said " BB doesn't tolerate" and blah blah . Which is usually before s punishment of some kind:shrug:.

[Ammi]

I think threads on here are assuming BB gave her a warning ,but we didn't actually hear him give her 1. But I guess it's insinuating it is...as he said " BB doesn't tolerate" and blah blah . Which is usually before s punishment of some kind:shrug:.

…language/terminology is crazy in how a few letters can change so much for someone…if Stop the Gloating/Dont Gloat/giving gloats etc had been said, it would be nothing…it would be gone…but Stop the gloats and it all changes because of the rearrangement of it all/…of those few words …

[Redway]

I honestly do not :joker:

Then that’s further proof of what I’m talking about.

[Mystic Mock]

The problem with BB is they are very inconsistent when it comes to what is and isn't offensive,in this day and age...I think it's safe to say it's got to the stage where people have to be careful. We have gotten very PC ,but at the same time...I think BB is worried about complaints.

In the past housemates have definitely said far worse, the fact you're saying a housemate called a black person a " monkey " ( I actually didn't know about that ) , I didn't watch that series. That most definitely has racist tones.

I agree with you on parts ,you know I hate censorship. But obviously it depends on the situation. I think a big part of this must have been the fact Hanah herself didn't find it funny .

It may also have something to do with the fact Sarah & Hanah don't exactly have that type of friendship/ they're
not as close , another example is when Khaled got offended by her comments in the garden task... again they don't have that strong relationship, some friends who get on well and know eachother , will roast eachother and even make risque jokes.

And the fact it was about " gloating" already a negative trait, so Hanah was never going to take it well.

Interesting Nathan's comments once again get brushed off ,he called Khaled's group " fake & vain" ,but it seemed to get forgotten about :rolleyes:.

Oh Caroline said a lot of outrageous stuff in that series that would not fly in today's climate.

Personally though I like to watch Reality TV, where people will say and do stuff that you won't like, but that's life in general, especially any perceived prejudices are certainly apart of reality.

And I think what hasn't helped in this series case (away from my hatred of censorship) is why were these things that I'm about to mention allowed to fly?

1. Nathan critiquing Martha's dress sense? Bringing her appearance into a negative light, which is frowned upon in society, and it was said with actual malice. Yet no warning or talking to from Big Brother.

2. Ryan's anti-woke comment in his VT, BB could've barred him from going into the house for making the Non-Binary joke, but they still let him on the Show.

3. Lily going into the Diary Room a couple of weeks ago implying that Segun looks ugly and big (which could definitely be interpreted a certain way) and in another Diary Room segment she went and mocked the guys calling each other "bruv" in a faux ghetto accent. Yet no warning off BB.

4. Ali blatantly being Misandrist in the house, yet no warning. Could argue that she was making Khaled and Marcello's time in the house really uncomfortable for most of the series just to add that to the list.

5. Dean's insults towards Sarah about her appearance again could be argued that he deserved a warning for that because people in the house might be offended. But no warning from BB.

6. Emma making violent jokes about Lily, we all know that she's joking, but Housemates might be offended, so where's the warning BB?

7. Daze was apart of Just Stop Oil, which is very offensive to a lot of people in this country. Going by BB's logic she should be mindful of her fellow Housemates feelings on the group.

8. All series there has been debates about Marcello being Misogynistic, I don't agree with Ali or some of the public that feel that way, but BB has continued to allow Ali to put up with Marcello's behaviour that she doesn't like from him. Where's the warning?

9. Sarah herself made a joke about Thomas's missing hand earlier in the series, where was BB giving out a warning?

They basically **** themselves because they fear that the public will think that the Show is racist, where as I think that nobody could possibly think that this particular version is any ist or phobic, you'd have to be very politically extreme to think that imo.:laugh:

My point being is that there's no consistency from BB.

[Mystic Mock]

And 10. Dean throwing items at Martha because he was angry. No warning.

[GoldHeart]

And 10. Dean throwing items at Martha because he was angry. No warning.

Yeah tbh this surprised me,I thought BB would class it as aggressive behaviour. But Dean was a wet drip anyway,I don't even think BB took him seriously.

But yeah I read all the list of stuff ,and I agree . Also didn't Ali refer to the other group as "animals" or something?. I remember a few weeks ago ...it being talked about on here .

[Mystic Mock]

And as I said, she didn't cause anything. Charley wasn't even offended until others told her she should be :joker:

Look, it's good to have emotions, I am not saying be a robot, I am saying that if your emotions control you rather than the other way around then you are in trouble.

Existing in a state of perpetual offense is really unhealthy. It also makes every discussion emotion based which in turn makes it next to impossible to find a middle ground.

I agree with this part in particular.

The Emily situation though I have three stances on.

1. I think that Emily shouldn't have been thrown out over saying a slur. Because actions speak louder than words, even negative stuff. I know that I'm making a very controversial statement here, but it is how I feel.

2. Even if I were to concede my opinion on my first part (because I can understand the other side of the argument tbf) Emily was singing a lyric to a song if I'm not mistaken, so again no malice was intended.

At worst it should've been a warning off BB, but instead they overreacted.

And 3. I definitely understand why Charley was offended for obvious reasons.

[BBXX]

People have interpreted Ali to be a misandrist and nothing more, simply because she’s mentioned toxic masculinity which is a thing that exists. Ali shouldn’t be punished for criticising a behaviour trait that negatively impacts society and it’s silly to compare it to the utilisation of a government slogan used by a right-wing political party to campaign against migrants.

Most other examples above are levelled personally at someone specific. Martha’s clothing isn’t a minority group who have been victims of oppression.

To be honest the only other comments this season I have thought was close to the bone where several made by Marcello around women and when Hanah said “It’s giving famine”. I thought that was pretty inappropriate and out of touch.

[Mystic Mock]

I was asking a question. I personally don't use that term because of it's derogatory connotations, but again, it depends on the context of the way you use it. My point was it's socially acceptable for some, but not others. Oh to live in a world where the colour of your skin didn't matter. It's actually quite crazy when you think about it. Unfortunately it's in certain people's mindsets.

I personally don't like using racial slurs either.

Unless it's anti-white ones, because obviously it's more self-depricating in that scenario.

[Ammi]

…I don’t think that it was a warning as such…more of an explaining and that…(…I’m presuming…)…was prompted and came about because a housemate(s) had expressed that they didn’t feel comfortable with it/it didn’t sit right with them…if BB had done nothing, it could have escalated into another beast of negative stuff …so in calling Sarah in and explaining…it was kind of dealt with so it could be moved in from…I guess that I’m just not a believer in whataboutery type stuff or that one size fits all, type thing…whatever similarities can be attached, the differences are also important to note …(…for me…)…and I guess the main one here is that (we assume…)…no housemate expressed concerns/discomfort etc at any other actions/words…

[Mystic Mock]

Like I said Emily did not have that rapport with Charley, they'd just met, plus it's how things are perceived whether we like it or not.

I'm not going to start calling white people " cracker" for a laugh, as I know it's offensive.


If Khaled had just met Ali and called her the D word ...I'm pretty sure she'd go ballistic. And as we know Ali already overthinks stuff ,so can you imagine.

If Khaled starts calling Ali a Dyke now, I'm going to start thinking that you've robbed my mystic powers.:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah tbh this surprised me,I thought BB would class it as aggressive behaviour. But Dean was a wet drip anyway,I don't even think BB took him seriously.

But yeah I read all the list of stuff ,and I agree . Also didn't Ali refer to the other group as "animals" or something?. I remember a few weeks ago ...it being talked about on here .

Ali called three of them "Marsupials."

I wanna say they were Hanah, Khaled, and Segun.

[GoldHeart]

If Khaled starts calling Ali a Dyke now, I'm going to start thinking that you've robbed my mystic powers.:joker:

I think it's unlikely to happen:laugh: .

Also I don't think Sarah actually got a warning, otherwise BB would show it wouldn't they ?, and AJ didn't mention any warnings. It looks like BB just spoke to her .

[Mystic Mock]

People have interpreted Ali to be a misandrist and nothing more, simply because she’s mentioned toxic masculinity which is a thing that exists. Ali shouldn’t be punished for criticising a behaviour trait that negatively impacts society and it’s silly to compare it to the utilisation of a government slogan used by a right-wing political party to campaign against migrants.

Most other examples above are levelled personally at someone specific. Martha’s clothing isn’t a minority group who have been victims of oppression.

To be honest the only other comments this season I have thought was close to the bone where several made by Marcello around women and when Hanah said “It’s giving famine”. I thought that was pretty inappropriate and out of touch.

My point being that we're headed down a road where any "offensive" behaviour deemed by the public or the Housemates will equal BB giving the Housemate a telling off.

I mean BB did do that last night, they saw that three Housemates and a chunk of the public were going to be offended by the joke, and gave her a talking to/unofficial warning.

But other controversial moments in this series haven't been given the same treatment, that is wrong and it is bias against Sarah imo.

And personally I don't see why Hanah should be getting a warning over "it's giving famine" she isn't breaking any rules by saying this.

[Mystic Mock]

I think it's unlikely to happen:laugh: .

Also I don't think Sarah actually got a warning, otherwise BB would show it wouldn't they ?, and AJ didn't mention any warnings. It looks like BB just spoke to her .

I mean it may as well have been a warning, and considering that she didn't actually break any rules it is absurd.

Hanah, Khaled, and Segun do not run that house, if they don't like Sarah's comments there is one thing that they can do in the next round, and that's nominate her.

[Mrluvaluva]

I personally don't like using racial slurs either.

Unless it's anti-white ones, because obviously it's more self-depricating in that scenario.

Totally get that. :)

[Oliver_W]

The comment directly offended a group of people in the house, why would they ignore it?

Being "offended" is just an opinion, and opinions shouldn't affect anything :shrug:

(unless an actual slur or something is used)

[Oliver_W]

Ali called three of them "Marsupials."

I wanna say they were Hanah, Khaled, and Segun.

Because they're "in each other's pockets", so it makes sense.

[Mystic Mock]

Because they're "in each other's pockets", so it makes sense.

Personally I agree with your interpretation of what Ali meant.

But BB never had it clarified about what she meant as far as I'm aware.

I'm just calling for consistency in the Namby Pamby version of Big Brother UK.

[Zizu]

The house is like a holiday romance... it moves fast and people get close fast.

Yes, Ali would probably go ballistic because she is an utter nightmare and would leverage it to it's fullest.


Its laughable to see you two still slaughtering Ali over something that hasn’t even happened

LOL


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[Beso]

Kahleds fake prayer when he was trying to get into the basement should have been given a warning as that will have offended many muslims watching.

[vesavius]

Then that’s further proof of what I’m talking about.

That's just it. You are not talking about anything. :shrug::shrug:

It's a weird chain of comments in all honesty.

[vesavius]

Because they're "in each other's pockets", so it makes sense.

I mean that is one interpretation, a very kind and charitable one that some extended to Ali, the poster child of woke BB this season.

Another is that she called 3 PoC in the house actual animals. In this you would look at the connection between marsupials and aborigines as well. It could be seen as having racial layers if you wanted it to.

Is the second a reach? Yes, but so is the claimed racism in Sarah's words. It just depends on how much charity is extended to the HM saying it... Ali has the wokies on side so she gets a pass, Sarah voted UKIP a decade ago at the age of 18 so she gets the hammer (at 20 Lily is considered a 'child' by most).

Sarah made a joke about border control when they were keeping the previously gloating mixed race vampire team away from their 'border'...

All else aside, controlling your borders as a country is not racist.

I also thought the wordplay was witty and funny.

[GoldHeart]

I mean that is one interpretation, a very kind and charitable one that some extended to Ali, the poster child of woke BB this season.

Another is that she called 3 PoC in the house actual animals. In this you would look at the connection between marsupials and aborigines as well. It could be seen as having racial layers if you wanted it to.

Is the second a reach? Yes, but so is the first. It just depends on how much charity is extended to the HM saying it... Ali has the wokies on side so she gets a pass, Sarah voted UKIP a decade ago at the age of 18 so she gets the hammer.

Sarah made a joke about border control when they were keeping the previously gloating mixed race vampire team away from their 'border'.

All else aside, controlling your borders as a country is not racist.

Yeah Sarah's background definitely was a big factor on her getting in trouble, you can tell she's not even interested in politics that much either ,which must be frustrating for her . Nathan is the one who's more into
that type of stuff.

[vesavius]

Yeah Sarah's background definitely was a big factor on her getting in trouble, you can tell she's not even interested in politics that much either ,which must be frustrating for her . Nathan is the one who's more into
that type of stuff.

Oh, yeah, Nathan is mostly hated for that reason as well by the X mob.

I mean, I don't like him much either, but my reasons are different.

[GoldHeart]

Oh, yeah, Nathan is mostly hated for that reason as well by the X mob.

I mean, I don't like him much either, but my reasons are different.

Yeah there's plenty of other reasons to dislike him tbh .

[Redway]

That's just it. You are not talking about anything. :shrug::shrug:

It's a weird chain of comments in all honesty.

Lacking the self-awareness to know how much privilege you have isn’t nothing.

[Redway]

Dude, give it a rest. Good lord It's so boring :sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep:

You’re really not doing yourself any favours with any of your replies. It’s actually hilarious.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That's just it. You are not talking about anything. :shrug::shrug:

It's a weird chain of comments in all honesty.

Spot on Vesuvius

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