Trump gained more women, Hispanic and Black voters in 2024

[Crimson Dynamo]

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Donald Trump won the presidency after holding tight to his core base of voters
and slightly expanding his coalition to include several groups that have
traditionally been a part of the Democratic base. That finding comes from AP
VoteCast, a sweeping survey of more than 120,000 voters nationwide that
shows what issues mattered to voters in this election.

Trump picked up a small but significant share of Black and Hispanic voters, and
made narrow gains with men and women. As Trump chipped away at parts of
the Democratic coalition, Vice President Kamala Harris wasn’t able to make
enough of her own gains. Trump succeeded in locking down his traditionally
older, white base of voters, and he slightly expanded his margins with other
groups into a winning coalition.

https://fortune.com/2024/11/07/donald-trump-voters-2024-women-black-hispanic-white-men-americans/

Did this fact surprise you?

[Mystic Mock]

I knew that the Latino male vote was quite close between Harris and Trump.

[Glenn.]

Let’s hope they don’t have family members that are going to be deported.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Good honest working-class Americans said no to woke and yes to common sense

[Oliver_W]

Legal migrants are often among the most adverse to illegals. I guess Trump's promises to crack down on it helped him win the demographic?

[Glenn.]

Good honest working-class Americans said no to woke and yes to common sense

Most of them don’t even know how Trump’s tariffs work.

[Mystic Mock]

Let’s hope they don’t have family members that are going to be deported.

America's in a generation now where a lot of people in these minority groups are born and bred Americans (as well as their parents) so some of the individuals won't have anything to fear about being deported.

Obviously for the families that do need to worry about deportation and still voted Trump, probably didn't make the right choice for themselves I feel.

[Glenn.]

America's in a generation now where a lot of people in these minority groups are born and bred Americans (as well as their parents) so some of the individuals won't have anything to fear about being deported.

Obviously for the families that do need to worry about deportation and still voted Trump, probably didn't make the right choice for themselves I feel.

Families will be torn apart by it. You don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

[Mystic Mock]

Good honest working-class Americans said no to woke and yes to common sense

I don't think that there was a common sense option available to the American masses.

It was someone that cheerleads for Abortions (while also hesitating on where the cut off for Abortion should be) versus someone that disrespects democracy, has faced convictions, and enforces negative stereotypes onto Mexicans and Haitians.

And before that there was a mentally declining Joe Biden.

Their candidates were somehow worse than ours.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Trump credited the result to "the biggest, the broadest, the most unified coalition" in American history.

"They came from all quarters. Union, non-union, African American, Hispanic American," he told a roaring crowd. "We had everybody, and it was beautiful."

[Glenn.]

It’s just a waiting game now. Can’t wait to watch all what they voted for to begin. You play stupid games you win stupid prizes.

[Glenn.]

I don't think that there was a common sense option available to the American masses.

It was someone that cheerleads for Abortions (while also hesitating on where the cut off for Abortion should be) versus someone that disrespects democracy, has faced convictions, and enforces negative stereotypes onto Mexicans and Haitians.

And before that there was a mentally declining Joe Biden.

Their candidates were somehow worse than ours.

Definitely no common sense. Common sense was no where near this win.

When you have people voting for a convicted felon, and rapist it’s kinda just like, get on with it. You had choice, you chose the wrong one. Now you can deal with it.

[Mystic Mock]

Families will be torn apart by it. You don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

I can agree with you on that to a degree.

I do believe though that the Democrats (more than Harris herself tbf) just didn't campaign very well in terms of getting meaningful issues across, or with soundbites that's going to get everyone talking and drum up interest.

Unfortunately I do think that the general public felt underwhelmed by the Democrats trying to hide essentially behind Trump's unpopularity, rather than coming up with great policies, which the black and latino populations obviously were feeling underwhelmed more than usual too by this strategy.

And I hate to say it, but I do honestly believe that some of the Democrat voters on Social Media do not endear most other groups to the party if I'm being brutally honest with you about it Glenn.

[Mystic Mock]

Definitely no common sense. Common sense was no where near this win.

When you have people voting for a convicted felon, and rapist it’s kinda just like, get on with it. You had choice, you chose the wrong one. Now you can deal with it.

I think that the people that voted for him will live to regret it too, just like they did in 2016.

[Beso]

It's his sex appeal.

[Crimson Dynamo]

To the dismay of Democrats, some of the biggest swings to Trump came from Democratic strongholds like New York and New Jersey.

While Trump didn’t succeed in flipping these states, he did drastically reduce the Democratic margin.

New York saw the biggest swing to Trump of nearly twelve percentage points.

wow!

[Quantum Boy]

There's a lot of gum-flapping going on but IMO the fairly clear and simple answer is that the United states is, sadly and tellingly, simply not yet going to vote for a woman as president. I don't know why people are bothering with all the analysis.

The Latino community has a very well known issue with misogyny ("machismo") -- and it's an issue that will, crucially, affect swing states more than others.

Most people are not voting on any deep understanding of policy. They're voting with their gut and unfortunately a large proportion of men are simply too cucked for their egos to allow them to vote for a woman as their leader. Sad.

[Ray.]

It's his sex appeal.

And the dance moves. :cool: Second only to the King in terms of being able to bust a move.

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As a sidenote, I love how YMCA has gone from being a gay anthem to now being something of a Trump anthem. It's had quite a journey in the popular consciousness. :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Glenn.]

And the dance moves. :cool: Second only to the King in terms of being able to bust a move.

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As a sidenote, I love how YMCA has gone from being a gay anthem to now being something of a Trump anthem. It's had quite a journey in the popular consciousness. :joker:

Considering the amount of closeted gay republicans I’d say it’s still very much a gay anthem :joker:

[arista]

Let’s hope they don’t have family members that are going to be deported.

Some may have


Best to give yourself in

Not get Hunted Down


It is Great, all the Criminals Illegals
will go first

[Crimson Dynamo]

Some may have


Best to give yourself in

Not get Hunted Down


It is Great, all the Criminals Illegals
will go first

mass deportations needed

[Glenn.]

Some may have


Best to give yourself in

Not get Hunted Down


It is Great, all the Criminals Illegals
will go first

And so so many more innocents

[Beso]

No tip tax, no overtime tax won trump the election. Nothing else.

[Nicky91]

The Donald doesn't want to publicly admit it

but he truly is such a King of Inclusivity and Diversity

:love:


and this is more than enough proof

[Beso]

The Donald doesn't want to publicly admit it

but he truly is such a King of Inclusivity and Diversity

:love:


and this is more than enough proof



I've just said much the same, but everyone reckons hes dividing the country!

[Crimson Dynamo]

I've just said much the same, but everyone reckons hes dividing the country!

he cant divide the country as they are still all celebrating the biggest political comeback this century

:dance:

[Maru]

Not really a shock to me. I was part of the Hispanic immigrant community growing up and didn't really socialize with whites (outside of my own family) all that much until I was much older. Hispanics are smart, hardworking and no-nonsense people... that doesn't mean they don't have legitimate reasons to vote for Kamala, but... there's a major difference between Kamala and Trump that I think lost her support. Kamala took their vote for granted and assumed they would have to vote for her for her reasons... Trump actively worked for their vote, and thus their own reasons, and to try to appeal to their common sense decision-making rather than simple emotions. This is what I had seen and heard, anyway...

So my experiences with this..,

Hispanics in particular, when I was young anyway (late 90s, early 00s): There wasn't a Conservative vs Liberal, so there was no self-identification along party lines. Instead, many just didn't vote :spin: or they voted for certain issues... or out of anger at something like many back then... or based on religious grounds. The last was critical for some.

The differences between D and R were completely irrelevant to them, at least in Texas. But, we always saw the same candidates who would come to pander how they were going to do XYZ. Some of what did get done and was praised..but often nothing got done. Some were Hispanic, sure, but in many cases not always.

When we did hear about the vote, it tended to be certain candidates by name as they were treated familiarity by the community. Never party affiliation. It wasn't until I moved up to the East Coast where people were more visceral about D vs R and actually I was introduced to what is now considered identity politics formally through TiBB funnily enough :spin:... it was only in listening to chats here I made connections to some of the interactions and views I'd heard expressed when living up near DC, that I even began to learn the critical differences, because there is often no difference for people back home. After all, "they're all politicians... they all lie", etc... Anyway, I had always seen politics through a class POV, especially given my background.

The belief that Hispanics automatically supports illegal immigration is an odd one, for sure. Hispanics are not uniquely for or against illegal immigration, per say. It's complicated for sure. There's many who are integrated who are actually against not sending back those who commit crime because of what they bring, but also because their poor work ethic makes the whole community look bad. I remember there always being families that that one member who sits around all day drinking and even getting into actual fights and so it's embarrassing for them.. they're not legal obviously and "just visiting". (Sometimes they do go back, actually, because the family is tired of putting up with it and they don't pay rent anyway, etc...)

The feeling is many just want fairness, a fair shot and to be recognized as hardworking. Many things that had been said about crossing the border, for example, they weren't being given a fair shot where they came from. Translation: In Mexico, there is no ladder or sense of fairness. You're on your own if you want to survive and even then good luck... there's no education there in the sense that I think most would even begin to apply legally, especially with how diverse Mexico is culturally and the lack of mixing there. Whereas in the communities here, the resources generated are being advertised towards them in a way that is easier to help with the process once they are here, with Mexico being a service-centric culture, it's a much easier skill transition from what they knew to living here... so they can and are willing to do things legally, just need the resources to do so... unfortunately, that's only once they're here. The same is true is for South America and with the shared language and common support, easier to integrate them also once they are here...

So there's that. They see the US as a better version of Mexico, for sure, it is Mexico where their passion for their heritage (Hint to Democrats, shared heritage is NOT identity.. that's dismissive)... but the actual country itself hadn't shown to some they believed in its citizens enough to offer the space for things to work or to fix its own issues, so they still come here... You don't see Canadians flooding the US border, even though it's ass cold up there... :laugh:

So it's like the cultural part of Mexico is acceptable, but the institutional parts of all kinds of broken and corrupt. So the perception is strong among that community that all politicians just lie to get rich... they're basically magical wordsmiths, almost in a mystical sense even, they are just there to deceive people and pull them into schemes.. so they weren't raised in a context that allows them to see politics the same way we do, where it's actually a way to move a country forward... so actually, they're skeptical of politics from the get go and I think that keeps them from being indoctrinated into partisan mudslinging... so those votes to shifts to Republican are certainly not stable unless they are earned, imo. That's from the immigrant portion... the 2nd/3rd generations are more like the young/newer gens here, but still keep and hold onto the common sense of their roots... so it varies.

So I think the Democrats shoot themselves in the foot with their anti-Patriotic talk as well, with the burning of flags and national dissent.. because, yes America has issues, but it's workable and fixable compared to where they came from. Hispanics, especially Mexicans, their relationship to the national flag and nationalism is very complex... and when they see this depressive language around the nation they currently reside in and back, and the way its being crafted to manipulate and pander to their vote, they see it closer to the disillusionment they were trying to get away from... and they don't want that.

It's also still possible to be proud of "your" country despite the fact it has massive flaws. I have a neighbor who has a motorcycle he rides around on that has both the American and Mexican flag inthe back. Very much not offensive and he blasts Tejano and Michael Jackson from his loudspeaker to give you an idea of his musical diversity :laugh:.. obviously he doesn't want to go back to Mexico, is very proud of the country he came from, but he still holds great pride in his roots there and regularly returns for visits. It's just he has migrated here but obviously still culturally is Mexican.. so I think the Hispanic relationship to nationality is far more complicated than partisan politics allows for, or even identity. The Democrats clearly don't understand that because they see everything through purely a skin color lens, almost like a colorimeter...... rather than understanding the delicate sociopolitical makeup of their voting base, which isn't left or right... and they more they try to milk those votes, the simpler their definitions get of the people underneath them become...

Kamala was the simplest and most watered down version of pandering to the Democrat vote I'd ever seen.. and believe it or not, that's not very American for many and doesn't allow people enough room to breath and be different, ie individuals. Most Americans, I don't care the demographic, just see themselves as individuals... the lumping to the degree that it's been done of late is one of the latest events, but it's not permanent. I think that that only works temporarily.. people are going back to their individual minds eventually and will find something else to get interested in. They're not apt to stay absorbed in the tribalism because while at heart Americans love being competitive, which is a reason to group up, by nature we eschew tribalism deep down. I've explained before, we're viciously individualistic, but in a hivemind kind of way at times. :laugh: Not easy to understand... we're an organized bee hive when upset, sure, but it's very temporary, and then we go back to the forest to find new **** to piss off (the American way...)...

...and so Trump should also take note not to take that for granted and work very hard to make his decisions and positions clear as possible and to be fair to the population with every possibility... I think it's an easier thing to do than not, there just has to be a willingness, but we'll see...


Here's a local video on the political shifts:
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[Beso]

he cant divide the country as they are still all celebrating the biggest political comeback this century

:dance:

Probably last century too.

When he lost I thought that's it, we are doomed to the mysery of a woke world. I even started getting a tiny bit woke myself,at times. Bad beso.

But he fought for sanity, he fought for America, bit I believe he was also fighting for everyone fighting to bring their rights back.

[Glenn.]

See a TikTok where a lovely black lady working in Walmart was asked to ‘move your black ass here bitch, soon you’ll be in your field”

You all support that. Let that sink in

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Donald doesn't want to publicly admit it

but he truly is such a King of Inclusivity and Diversity

:love:


and this is more than enough proof

good strong points

[Glenn.]

When you label things as woke you’re really just saying you want to be racist, homophobic and ignorant without facing repercussions for it.

[Gusto Brunt]

The Donald doesn't want to publicly admit it

but he truly is such a King of Inclusivity and Diversity

:love:


and this is more than enough proof

:clap: I totally agree.

Years ago, people used to use swear words to slag people off. Now dumb people like Lammy and O'Brien just shout racist. It's their swear word.

[Black Dagger]

I didn’t think the leopards would eat MY face!