Why is it okay for Ali to actively be a man hater all series but..

[marcelloforthewin]

Marcello makes the odd sexual comment and none pg Joke and he gets called a misogynistic who hates women even though half of his friends in their are women and he clearly has alot of love for them... yet Ali actively was very open about her clear dislike of straight men but thats fine because shes a woman the double standards this series piss me off.

[BBXX]

She hasn’t said anything man hating she’s just pointed out certain behaviours that are exhibits of toxic masculinity.

[marcelloforthewin]

She hasn’t said anything man hating she’s just pointed out certain behaviours that are exhibits of toxic masculinity.

What exactly was Khaleds toxic masculinity when she picked on him for weeks?

[GoldHeart]

What exactly was Khaleds toxic masculinity when she picked on him for weeks?

She wanted him gone ,and her plan worked .... it's as simple as that, it just took longer than she anticipated,so her game plan kept changing .

Once he was getting saved ,and once she was losing her friends in the house ,she started buddying up with him. But yeah she started the whole " Khaled is fake" BS
...which destroyed him in the end, as other housemates
started jumping on the bandwagon to slag him off . Then she did a 180 and suddenly felt " bad for him", when she instigated the whole thing.

[marcelloforthewin]

She wanted him gone ,and her plan worked .... it's as simple as that, it just took longer than she anticipated,so her game plan kept changing .

Once he was getting saved ,and once she was losing her friends in the house ,she started buddying up with him. But yeah she started the whole " Khaled is fake" BS
...which destroyed him in the end, as other housemates
started jumping on the bandwagon to slag him off . Then she did a 180 and suddenly felt " bad for him", when she instigated the whole thing.

Exactly and some how people have forgiven her and are now acting like she didn't start this in the first place :shrug:

[Liam-]

She’s not a man hater for having opinions on men she has to interact with, if Marcello doesn’t want to come across like a misogynist, he should probably change the way he talks about women

[marcelloforthewin]

She’s not a man hater for having opinions on men she has to interact with, if Marcello doesn’t want to come across like a misogynist, he should probably change the way he talks about women

Im not just talking about Marcello though am i Dean was the exact same he seemed to hate masculine men

[GoldHeart]

Exactly and some how people have forgiven her and are now acting like she didn't start this in the first place :shrug:

Probably because she does subliminal messages with the attire she wears. She's trying to come across as some SJW with a cape, she throws in buzz words like
" toxic masculinity" ,whilst shielding herself as some victim.

She repeatedly said her group were being " picked off 1 by 1 ", but really that's just made her position far stronger
now.....and she knows this. It just means she had to
move around the chess board a bit more . And now that Lily has gone , that's pretty much handed Ali the win now.

It actually would have been fitting if Ali got evicted with Lily.

[marcelloforthewin]

Probably because she does subliminal messages with the attire she wears. She's trying to come across as some SJW with a cape, she throws in buzz words like
" toxic masculinity" ,whilst shielding herself as some victim.

She repeatedly said her group were being " picked off 1 by 1 ", but really that's just made her position far stronger
now.....and she knows this. It just means she had to
move around the chess board a bit more . And now that Lily has gone , that's pretty much handed Ali the win now.

It actually would have been fitting if Ali got evicted with Lily.

Everything you said is so true but some people are so blind to it.

[arista]

She should be out this week

3 Must be Evicted before the Grand Final on Friday

Ali will be one of them

[Liam-]

Im not just talking about Marcello though am i Dean was the exact same he seemed to hate masculine men

Yes, because like a lot of gay men he’s obviously had bad experiences with traditionally masculine men that has forged his opinions, it’s not man hating no matter which way you try and twist it

[marcelloforthewin]

She should be out this week

3 Must be Evicted before the Grand Final on Friday

Ali will be one of them

Keep voting Marcello and or Hanah to win we need her gone

[Crimson Dynamo]

She should be out this week

3 Must be Evicted before the Grand Final on Friday

Ali will be one of them

:fc:

[GoldHeart]

Yes, because like a lot of gay men he’s obviously had bad experiences with traditionally masculine men that has forged his opinions, it’s not man hating no matter which way you try and twist it

Ok by that same logic

Marcello would be in his every right to say something like " I don't trust women as I've experienced gold digger bitches" , hmm somehow I don't think it would be accepted though :idc: .

[Crimson Dynamo]

I very much doubt he has any male straight friends in her life...

[jones89]

I can’t stand her toxic femininity tbh :joker:

[vesavius]

Keep voting Marcello and or Hanah to win we need her gone

See, this is why Ali won't be gone. The people against her can't decide on a single other HM to put there votes behind and so the anti Ali vote will split.

I see Emma as the natural choice for that, but clearly others won't.

To the original point of the OP though... X and Reddit, and by extension the BB production team, give zero ***** about misandry. In fact they actively enjoy it. It's an acceptable bigotry to that crowd.

[marcelloforthewin]

See, this is why Ali won't be gone. The people against her can't decide on a single other HM to put there votes behind and so the anti Ali vote will split.

I see Emma as the natural choice for that, but clearly others won't.

To the original point of the OP though... X and Reddit, and by extension the BB production team, give zero ***** about misandry. In fact they actively enjoy it. It's an acceptable bigotry to that crowd.

You are actually right we all need to come together and decide on a hm between us who to vote the most for because otherwise Ali will win.

[vesavius]

You are actually right we all need to come together and decide on a hm between us who to vote the most for because otherwise Ali will win.

Sure, but everyone will always think it should be 'their guy' and there is no way of changing that.

The only way that Ali is going is if she is up against one other HM who we can all focus behind and the production team in unlikely to allow that at this point.

[Adamw92]

She’s not a man hater for having opinions on men she has to interact with, if Marcello doesn’t want to come across like a misogynist, he should probably change the way he talks about women

Spot on. :clap1: it’s actually scary how people ignore the way he “jokes” about women and objectifies them but god forbid someone call him out on it and they’re a man hater.

[vesavius]

Spot on. :clap1: it’s actually scary how people ignore the way he “jokes” about women and objectifies them but god forbid someone call him out on it and they’re a man hater.

Is this a deliberate misunderstanding of what has actually happened over this series?

[Adamw92]

Is this a deliberate misunderstanding of what has actually happened over this series?

No actually. Are we not allowed to disagree with you and call out behaviour like he’s displayed at all?

[vesavius]

No actually. Are we not allowed to disagree with you and call out behaviour like he’s displayed at all?

I didn't say you weren't allowed to disagree with me... I just wondered if you were deliberately misunderstanding what has been happening all season (not just with Marcello) or if it was genuine.

If you say genuine, that's fine. Just asking.

[Adamw92]

I didn't say you weren't allowed to disagree with me... I just wondered if you were deliberately misunderstanding what has been happening all season (not just with Marcello) or if it was genuine.

If you say genuine, that's fine. Just asking.

That’s fine then. No problems. :)

[Swan]

Yeah, she hates straight men and loves herself. Still, she'll win because she has the nutters on her side. She's gay, wore a t-shirt etc.

[rusticgal]

She wanted him gone ,and her plan worked .... it's as simple as that, it just took longer than she anticipated,so her game plan kept changing .

Once he was getting saved ,and once she was losing her friends in the house ,she started buddying up with him. But yeah she started the whole " Khaled is fake" BS
...which destroyed him in the end, as other housemates
started jumping on the bandwagon to slag him off . Then she did a 180 and suddenly felt " bad for him", when she instigated the whole thing.


Like I have said...she is just full of contradictions.

[GoldHeart]

Like I have said...she is just full of contradictions.

Also what gives her the right to try and police others opinions of Lily in the house ,did you hear when she said " I'm not having it " , or something to that degree :suspect:. She is not Lily's mother.

And how they'd feel the " wrath of the red witch " . My goodness she wants to copyright that so badly now .

[Liam-]

I love how triggered she makes people by just existing and having opinions on people :joker:

[rusticgal]

I love how triggered she makes people by just existing and having opinions on people :joker:


Its a bit odd that YOU are triggered by comments on a forum created to comment on people we are observing....:hee:

[Swan]

Its a bit odd that YOU are triggered by comments on a forum created to comment on people we are observing....:hee:

Yeah i know, imagine having opinions of a TV show that this forum was specifically created for :joker:

Like i say, she has the easily led on her side, she knows how to play the gullible sjw's. Perfect example in this thread :hehe:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its a bit odd that YOU are triggered by comments on a forum created to comment on people we are observing....:hee:

:joker:

TOUCHE

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yeah i know, imagine having opinions of a TV show that this forum was specifically created for :joker:

Like i say, she has the easily led on her side, she knows how to play the gullible sjw's. Perfect example in this thread :hehe:

All so predictable :laugh:

[Black Dagger]

:fc:

You can fingers cross all you like. No way are the likes of Segun, Thomas or Sarah beating her in a vote for starters.

[GlitterUK]

It is a worry how much support Ali does have. Her behaviour has been no better than others in the house. She picked on Khaled for weeks yet because he is a guy she gets away with it. If it was Ali picking on Lily there would have been uproar.

[vesavius]

Yeah, she hates straight men and loves herself. Still, she'll win because she has the nutters on her side. She's gay, wore a t-shirt etc.

wokeism is inherently bigoted, it's just a fact. Just make sure it's the correct bigotry and you'll get their support.

[Swan]

wokism is inherently bigoted, it's just a fact. Just make sure it's the correct bigotry and you'll get their support.

Yep....The irony is tragic

[ebandit]

.............ali is just grumpy..........................

Mark L

[marcelloforthewin]

.............ali is just grumpy..........................

Mark L

This is her whole personality but somehow she "carried" the series :nono:

[joeysteele]

I don't see her as a manhater.
For some of what she's said, I wouldn't think she hated all men at all..

[GoldHeart]

It is a worry how much support Ali does have. Her behaviour has been no better than others in the house. She picked on Khaled for weeks yet because he is a guy she gets away with it. If it was Ali picking on Lily there would have been uproar.

Ali is doing what Dean tried and failed to do , she is playing on the fact she's a minority and using it to her advantage. She can play 2 cards against people - the sexuality one & the female one. Nobody cares about her gender or sexuality,but she started the whole 'pyramid scheme conspiracy ' in her head .

Whilst she can say whatever she wants , as she knows they'll be little to no backlash. Which is very hypocritical and reeks of double standards. Your identity shouldn't be used as a get out of
jail card ,to be as judgemental,mean and calculating as you like. If
anything it makes it worse in some ways .

[Mystic Mock]

Marcello makes the odd sexual comment and none pg Joke and he gets called a misogynistic who hates women even though half of his friends in their are women and he clearly has alot of love for them... yet Ali actively was very open about her clear dislike of straight men but thats fine because shes a woman the double standards this series piss me off.

I agree with you.

Personally I think that both have issues with the opposite gender (regardless of what people want to call it with them) but I do think that Ali's might come across more unhinged to me personally.

Marcello does sometimes blur the line into crossing into territory that I personally wouldn't recommend any guy go down, but most of the time he is normally just being a bit un-pc with his humour.

[Mystic Mock]

What exactly was Khaleds toxic masculinity when she picked on him for weeks?

I do agree with this.

[GoldHeart]

I agree with you.

Personally I think that both have issues with the opposite gender (regardless of what people want to call it with them) but I do think that Ali's might come across more unhinged to me personally.

Marcello does sometimes blur the line into crossing into territory that I personally wouldn't recommend any guy go down, but most of the time he is normally just being a bit un-pc with his humour.


Emma started a full blown graphic conversation about ' anal', I don't think even Marcello has spoken that graphically in detail unprompted . Emma was even asking Nathan , and Lily & BP were involved in the conversation.


So far all I remember hearing Marcello say is the " teabags and period " joke , and the thing about how he hasn't had sex in a while . Oh and in the early days he made that comment about cooking and bending over sex,which was random.

[Mystic Mock]

I didn't say you weren't allowed to disagree with me... I just wondered if you were deliberately misunderstanding what has been happening all season (not just with Marcello) or if it was genuine.

If you say genuine, that's fine. Just asking.

People have got to remember that Ali also had issues with Khaled and Ryan too.

She also didn't exactly love Thomas and Segun either, she just tolerated them more than anything.

She also has had an up and down relationship with Nathan, and he isn't even that masculine.:laugh:

The only guys that Ali seemed to genuinely like were Dean and Izaaz.

[Zizu]

Marcello makes the odd sexual comment and none pg Joke .


Odd comment !!!!!??

I only watched the series for 2 weeks and 99% of his utterances were of a sexual nature

Thousands on X were calling for him to be removed by the producers and there were hundreds of official complaints to Ofcom about his unsavoury behaviour

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[GoldHeart]

People have got to remember that Ali also had issues with Khaled and Ryan too.

She also didn't exactly love Thomas and Segun either, she just tolerated them more than anything.

She also has had an up and down relationship with Nathan, and he isn't even that masculine.:laugh:

The only guys that Ali seemed to genuinely like were Dean and Izaaz.

And she only ' liked' Izaaz as he seemed to not pick specific groups...and was spending a bit of time with her.

[Zizu]

She hasn’t said anything man hating she’s just pointed out certain behaviours that are exhibits of toxic masculinity.


Some of these people have lost their minds over Ali !!!


Gawd knows what they are gonna do when Ali isn’t on our screens anymore .. were are they gonna vent all their toxicity ??!?


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[Mystic Mock]

I love how triggered she makes people by just existing and having opinions on people :joker:

It is a compliment tbf.

You just don't want to be a Thomas.

[GoldHeart]

Odd comment !!!!!??

I only watched the series for 2 weeks and 99% of his utterances were of a sexual nature

Thousands on X were calling for him to be removed by the producers and there were hundreds of official complaints to Ofcom about his unsavoury behaviour

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And the graphic anal conversation Emma started which several housemates participated in ,was family friendly I
guess?? .

[Mystic Mock]

Emma started a full blown graphic conversation about ' anal', I don't think even Marcello has spoken that graphically in detail unprompted . Emma was even asking Nathan , and Lily & BP were involved in the conversation.


So far all I remember hearing Marcello say is the " teabags and period " joke , and the thing about how he hasn't had sex in a while . Oh and in the early days he made that comment about cooking and bending over sex,which was random.

That's the one comment that I really didn't like from Marcello.

[Mystic Mock]

And she only ' liked' Izaaz as he seemed to not pick specific groups...and was spending a bit of time with her.

And with all due respect to Izaaz as he did come across well in his eviction interview.

But he was emasculated imo, Ali has an issue with masculine personality traits, even in people like Marcello and Khaled who aren't even that masculine if you put them in a real world scenario.

Anyone trying to say that Ali doesn't have issues in this area is not doing her any favours when she comes out of the house, you're enabling her behaviour.

Whenever anyone has a prejudice, I always think that it's good to try to get to the bottom of it and try to solve the issue, rather than putting my fingers in my ears and pretend that it's not happening.

[Mystic Mock]

Some of these people have lost their minds over Ali !!!


Gawd knows what they are gonna do when Ali isn’t on our screens anymore .. were are they gonna vent all their toxicity ??!?


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Strictly Come Dancing for me.:fist:

[BBXX]

And with all due respect to Izaaz as he did come across well in his eviction interview.

But he was emasculated imo, Ali has an issue with masculine personality traits, even in people like Marcello and Khaled who aren't even that masculine if you put them in a real world scenario.

Anyone trying to say that Ali doesn't have issues in this area is not doing her any favours when she comes out of the house, you're enabling her behaviour.

Whenever anyone has a prejudice, I always think that it's good to try to get to the bottom of it and try to solve the issue, rather than putting my fingers in my ears and pretend that it's not happening.

In what way was Izaaz not masculine?

[Mystic Mock]

In what way was Izaaz not masculine?

He just seemed very submissive towards all of the other Housemates, which I suppose isn't really a masculine or feminine trait tbh.

He probably was the very thing that some Housemates would accuse Khaled of being, which was a people pleaser.:laugh:

[GoldHeart]

And with all due respect to Izaaz as he did come across well in his eviction interview.

But he was emasculated imo, Ali has an issue with masculine personality traits, even in people like Marcello and Khaled who aren't even that masculine if you put them in a real world scenario.

Anyone trying to say that Ali doesn't have issues in this area is not doing her any favours when she comes out of the house, you're enabling her behaviour.

Whenever anyone has a prejudice, I always think that it's good to try to get to the bottom of it and try to solve the issue, rather than putting my fingers in my ears and pretend that it's not happening.

Yeah I honestly think there's deep rooted issues there , and whether Ali & Dean have had bad experiences or not....they can't tar every ' masculine man ' with the same brush.

Ali is basically projecting toxic feminist traits. Which isn't what real feminism is even about.

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah I honestly think there's deep rooted issues there , and whether Ali & Dean have had bad experiences or not....they can't tar every ' masculine man ' with the same brush.

Ali is basically projecting toxic feminist traits. Which isn't what real feminism is even about.

Tbf, I don't know if I would personally say that Ali is someone with "toxic femininity" as personally it's just not the kind of language that I would use.

But I do think that Ali is apart of a new wave of feminism, that unfortunately can fall into the trap of man-hating/or disliking masculine traits.

To try and be as fair as possible to Ali and Dean, I don't know what kind of experiences that they've had with straight and masculine men, but the defense can only go so far because we're entering a very slippery slope if we just completely whitewash an individual's prejudice just because they might have had a bad experience with another individual that is also in that group.

And don't get me wrong I'm not saying that we should do anything OTT like legally punishing people for holding prejudiced opinions (because that's pretty dystopian) but obviously I don't want us to be encouraging any prejudices in society either.

That's just my opinion.

[Adamw92]

She hasn’t said anything man hating she’s just pointed out certain behaviours that are exhibits of toxic masculinity.

This.

There’s a very clear pattern in his behaviour and comments. He’s made crude comments on Sarah dancing, tried to make “jokes” about periods, tea bags, ph levels. Gaslit Sarah after the whole chicken thing to try and make out that she was the one with the problem when he came at her first. He put his hand on Lilys throat when they were “messing around”, continued to go on about how he’s a “human ejaculator” after Ali expressed how uncomfortable she felt when they were sat in the living area during nominations and couldn’t leave until they were done.

He tried to “joke” that they kissed even after she expressed, AGAIN, that she wasn’t comfortable with that. He didn’t shut down Lily when she was drunk and their conversation got a little flirty, this man is literally 14 years her senior… :omgno:! He also commented on how he’s cheats on every woman he’s with “before they can cheat on him”, the man supports Trump… I mean, enough said at this point.

The fact that people are pointing out how it’s “worrying” that people would support Ali for calling out literally any of this while continuing to back and try and explain away any of this behaviour is what’s actually baffling to me. He’s vile.

And before anyone tries, I don’t support the crude comments Emma has made either and I’m not trying to say Ali has never done anything wrong in that house, I don’t support everything she’s ever said but she’s made very valid points and that’s why I will continue to support her and vote for her to make sure someone like Marcello doesn’t win.

[vesavius]

Some of these people have lost their minds over Ali !!!


Gawd knows what they are gonna do when Ali isn’t on our screens anymore .. were are they gonna vent all their toxicity ??!?




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[Zizu]

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[rusticgal]

People have got to remember that Ali also had issues with Khaled and Ryan too.

She also didn't exactly love Thomas and Segun either, she just tolerated them more than anything.

She also has had an up and down relationship with Nathan, and he isn't even that masculine.:laugh:

The only guys that Ali seemed to genuinely like were Dean and Izaaz.


She manipulates the weak….she doesn’t like strong minded people. She likes to feel empowered. That’s why she almost left the house when her plan backfired.

[Black Dagger]

Men are gross that’s why. Down with men!

[GoldHeart]

She manipulates the weak….she doesn’t like strong minded people. She likes to feel empowered. That’s why she almost left the house when her plan backfired.

I don't think she ever intended on leaving,she just wanted to get sympathy / pity party & guilt trip Khaled.

[rusticgal]

I don't think she ever intended on leaving,she just wanted to get sympathy / pity party & guilt trip Khaled.


True…

[Lostie!]

I love how triggered she makes people by just existing and having opinions on people :joker:

"Ali isn't really a lesbian!!!"
"Ali is racist!!!"
"Ali hypnotised everyone into disliking Khaled!!!"
"Ali hates all men!!!"

But her fans are the "nutters" apparently :laugh:

[DigitalSid]

She hasn’t said anything man hating she’s just pointed out certain behaviours that are exhibits of toxic masculinity.

"Hitler didn't hate jews you guys he just hated toxic jewishness."

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[vesavius]

"Ali isn't really a lesbian!!!"
"Ali is racist!!!"
"Ali hypnotised everyone into disliking Khaled!!!"
"Ali hates all men!!!"

But her fans are the "nutters" apparently :laugh:

That's an incredibly dishonest version of what actually went on...

Ali's comments when comparing a group of PoC as animals could def be considered as 'racist' if Sarah's comments were. But, anyhow, the thread never once called her racist, it discussed the possibility of the public seeing her as that based on the situation. But, never let reality get in the way.

No one except hyperbolic ali stans have used the word 'hypnotised'... But, yes, she is good at manipulating.

Who said she wasn't a lesbian? I have never seen that here. Not saying it wasn't said, but I have never seen it.

Yes, Ali has def demonstrated misandrist behaviours and patterns.

Thank you for giving me the chance to clarify all this and retouch on these problematic behaviours of Ali in a reply to you.

[Liam-]

"Ali isn't really a lesbian!!!"
"Ali is racist!!!"
"Ali hypnotised everyone into disliking Khaled!!!"
"Ali hates all men!!!"

But her fans are the "nutters" apparently :laugh:

It’s actually crazy, so much vitriol over a random woman on a tv show having an opinion :joker:

[vesavius]

It’s actually crazy, so much vitriol over a random woman on a tv show having an opinion :joker:

another deliberate dishonest misrepresenting of the actual situation.

it makes it very hard to have a sensible conversation.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That's an incredibly dishonest version of what actually went on...

Ali's comments when comparing a group of PoC as animals could def be considered as 'racist' if Sarah's comments were. But, anyhow, the thread never once called her racist, it discussed the possibility of the public seeing her as that based on the situation. But, never let reality get in the way.

No one except hyperbolic ali stans have used the word 'hypnotised'... But, yes, she is good at manipulating.

Who said she wasn't a lesbian? I have never seen that here. Not saying it wasn't said, but I have never seen it.

Yes, Ali has def demonstrated misandrist behaviours and patterns.

Thank you for giving me the chance to clarify all this and retouch on these problematic behaviours of Ali in a reply to you.

She seems to have brought out the " we must win the culture war" aspect

no idea why...

:joker:

[vesavius]

She seems to have brought out the " we must win the culture war" aspect

no idea why...

:joker:

Thing is, I want the culture war bollocks kept out of BB... I want the winner to be based on who they are and what they do in that house... Not be a checklist of causes and X/ reddit approved 'virtues'. I don't care what gender, sexual orientation, or ethnicity, or even who they voted for 10 years ago in my winner.

We are well and truly in the era of not who the winner should be but WHAT they should be, and I think it's potentially the death of BB as a watchable show.

[DigitalSid]

Thing is, I want the culture war bollocks kept out of BB... I want the winner to be based on who they are and what they do in that house... Not be a checklist of causes and X/ reddit approved 'virtues'. I don't care what gender, sexual orientation, or ethnicity, or even who they voted for 10 years ago.

We are well and truly in the era of not who the winner should be but WHAT they should be, and I think it's potentially the death of BB as a watchable show.

People will look on the woke movement in 20 years the same people in the 80s looked back at the hippies.

[GoldHeart]

She was crying as she thought Lily was popular,but she was crying for herself having fooled the public and survived yet another eviction.

I still don't think she'll have much time for Lily when she leaves. Even the WhatsApp group are taking their time to add Lily , it's only Daze who probably gives her the time of day.

[Garfie]

She wanted him gone ,and her plan worked .... it's as simple as that, it just took longer than she anticipated,so her game plan kept changing .

Once he was getting saved ,and once she was losing her friends in the house ,she started buddying up with him. But yeah she started the whole " Khaled is fake" BS
...which destroyed him in the end, as other housemates
started jumping on the bandwagon to slag him off . Then she did a 180 and suddenly felt " bad for him", when she instigated the whole thing.

Ali definitely started the issues with Khaled, and in my opinion her behaviour towards him back then was totally unjustified and unnecessary. She should never have called him out in front of the group, but should have spoken to him privately if she had an issue with him. It was unpleasant behaviour, and to me came across as cruel.

Khaled was very respectful in his conflicts with her, and handled the whole thing very graciously, considering the onslaught he encountered.

There is a certain irony that, in the end, she was basically defending him and speaking negatively about other housemates for focusing on an image of him that she created, He deserves a public apology from her, considering her very public annihilation of his character.

I’m disappointed that Khaled has gone as I think he deserved a place in the final week.

[GoldHeart]

Ali definitely started the issues with Khaled, and in my opinion her behaviour towards him back then was totally unjustified and unnecessary. She should never have called him out in front of the group, but should have spoken to him privately if she had an issue with him. It was unpleasant behaviour, and to me came across as cruel.

Khaled was very respectful in his conflicts with her, and handled the whole thing very graciously, considering the onslaught he encountered.

There is a certain irony that, in the end, she was basically defending him and speaking negatively about other housemates for focusing on an image of him that she created, He deserves a public apology from her, considering her very public annihilation of his character.

I’m disappointed that Khaled has gone as I think he deserved a place in the final week.

He was definitely robbed his place In that final.

[Glenn.]

Pointing out men’s disgusting language against women is men hating now?

It’s almost as if women don’t like being spoken about like ****.

[GoldHeart]

Pointing out men’s disgusting language against women is men hating now?

It’s almost as if women don’t like being spoken about like ****.

Please tell me when Khalid had " disgusting language against women" ? , she had it in for him from the beginning, all he did was breathe...and she had a problem with him .

[Glenn.]

Please tell me when Khalid had " disgusting language against women" ? , she had it in for him from the beginning, all he did was breathe...and she had a problem with him .

I thought we were talking about Marcellos disgusting language towards women not khaled being a phony.

Khaled was just a fake and disingenuous.

[Swan]

Please tell me when Khalid had " disgusting language against women" ? , she had it in for him from the beginning, all he did was breathe...and she had a problem with him .

She had it in for him since day one. He outclassed her though, he never shouted, was never personal, and just took it whilst being respectable. You do have to wonder why she singled him out, it's very strange.

Still, glad he's getting so much love on the outside now.

[GoldHeart]

I thought we were talking about Marcellos disgusting language towards women not khaled being a phony.

Khaled was just a fake and disingenuous.

:joker::joker: meaning her behaviour towards Khaled is totally justified?, he's come out of this still a decent gentleman. Wheres she has lied & manipulated her way to the win ,yet he's disingenuous? ....sure Jan.

[Swan]

I thought we were talking about Marcellos disgusting language towards women not khaled being a phony.

Khaled was just a fake and disingenuous.

See this is the problem, and why Ali will piss the win. Khaled never, not once lied to a HM's face when directly asked if they were talking about him. Ali did it last night. But to her cultist followers, Khaled was the fake, disingenuous one. See how it makes no sense whatsoever? See how easy it is to fool people, and win BB in 2024. Tick boxes, that's all you need. Easy.

[Glenn.]

:joker::joker: meaning her behaviour towards Khaled is totally justified?, he's come out of this still a decent gentleman. Wheres she has lied & manipulated her way to the win ,yet he's disingenuous? ....sure Jan.

Only to the people he fooled.

Still fake and disingenuous to me

[Glenn.]

See this is the problem, and why Ali will piss the win. Khaled never, not once lied to a HM's face when directly asked if they were talking about him. Ali did it last night. But to her cultist followers, Khaled was the fake, disingenuous one. See how it makes no sense whatsoever? See how easy it is to fool people, and win BB in 2024. Tick boxes, that's all you need. Easy.

I mean she’s doing something right having survived so many evictions right.

[GoldHeart]

She had it in for him since day one. He outclassed her though, he never shouted, was never personal, and just took it whilst being respectable. You do have to wonder why she singled him out, it's very strange.

Still, glad he's getting so much love on the outside now.

His cheers when he left was the best thing :cheer2: it definitely
rattled and confused a few housemates ,they tried to put it down to it just being ' thirsty young girls',but it's because Khaled was well liked all round....he was just unfortunately up for eviction against too many people ,and the vote splitting screwed him over.

He always stayed so calm ,cool and collected . Even when Ali had a hate campaign against him. He still tried to resolve and start a fresh ,but she's just a very hateful spiteful individual.

The moment Khaled got cheers, she's suddenly his biggest fan. And once she hears Rosie's boos .... she's questioning Rosie as a person. Ali calls others camera obsessed & fake ,but she's the one who's most aware of the cameras and she's massively influenced by crowd's reactions,and will change her game plan accordingly to fit her new storyline & agenda. She's so transparent.

She lied to Emma's face ,and had the nerve to play dumb in the Dr . I guess when you get caught red handed , just act innocent and go " erm I don't remember I don't think I said anything bad " etc etc :bored: .

[Swan]

I mean she’s doing something right having survived so many evictions right.

Yeah that's what i just said, she's ticking boxes. She was around mid before people started buying into her manufactured victim role, i truly believe she feels like a victim too. Since then, you could just feel the tide turning (hence why i capitalised on her brilliant odds of 10/1 because it was so obvious what was happening) and you've only got to look on X to see she has the full backing of the LGBT community. Palestine, Trans, Gay, Victim. Excellent stuff. It's nothing new, but the same people who would call say Thomas, or Segun, who for all their faults are pretty inoffensive if they had lied to Ali's face about something when asked, "fake" and dicks. Are the same people calling Ali a "Queen" after her bare faced lie to Emma. Emma was so polite when asking Ali too. SHe even said "i don't wanna make you feel awkward, but".

[arista]

I can’t stand her toxic femininity tbh :joker:


She is into women


So Expect it

[Swan]

His cheers when he left was the best thing :cheer2: it definitely
rattled and confused a few housemates ,they tried to put it down to it just being ' thirsty young girls',but it's because Khaled was well liked all round....he was just unfortunately up for eviction against too many people ,and the vote splitting screwed him over.

He always stayed so calm ,cool and collected . Even when Ali had a hate campaign against him. He still tried to resolve and start a fresh ,but she's just a very hateful spiteful individual.

The moment Khaled got cheers, she's suddenly his biggest fan. And once she hears Rosie's boos .... she's questioning Rosie as a person. Ali calls others camera obsessed & fake ,but she's the one who's most aware of the cameras and she's massively influenced by crowd's reactions,and will change her game plan accordingly to fit her new storyline & agenda. She's so transparent.

She lied to Emma's face ,and had the nerve to play dumb in the Dr . I guess when you get caught red handed , just act innocent and go " erm I don't remember I don't think I said anything bad " etc etc :bored: .

Yeah, she took those t-shirts in the house for their "comfort" not because she knows there's about 100 surrounding the HM's or anything :hehe:

[GoldHeart]

To make it worse , she's even questioning Segun for being dishonest in his vault housemate choices. Again why does it matter to her ..when we all know Ali lies herself. And whatever reason Segun gave , Nathan & Ali would be boiling with rage & hate :idc: .

So whilst I think Segun could have told them the truth , their reaction would have still been the same, so what difference does it make . Plus throughout the series people have given cop out nomination votes anyway.

And Ali would have still been wearing her victim badge of honour.... like she's some poor little soul who's been picked on. She has all the sympathy and support she needs now .

[Glenn.]

Well I’ll let you get back to hating a woman on the telly, I’m going down to get a bed by the pool.

[GoldHeart]

Yeah, she took those t-shirts in the house for their "comfort" not because she knows there's about 100 surrounding the HM's or anything :hehe:
Exactly

And What I find utterly ridiculous is the fact Khaled got grief simply for being himself,and once he left all he did was get handed a scarf with Palestine flag on,and some people found that offensive when it's literally his heritage /roots :facepalm: . He's always been against war , and has openly said he wants
peace. He's never once had a malicious bone in his body.

[GoldHeart]

Well I’ll let you get back to hating a woman on the telly, I’m going down to get a bed by the pool.

You're hilarious
You realise I'm a woman myself right? :rolleyes: , everything gets so ingrained in identify politics. This is exactly what Ali exploits for her own gain.

[Glenn.]

Exactly

And What I find utterly ridiculous is the fact Khaled got grief simply for being himself,and once he left all he did was get handed a scarf with Palestine flag on,and some people found that offensive when it's literally his heritage /roots :facepalm: . He's always been against war , and has openly said he wants
peace. He's never once had a malicious bone in his body.

Khaled wasn’t being himself. He said that he wasn’t himself

[Glenn.]

You're hilarious
You realise I'm a woman myself right? :rolleyes: , everything gets so ingrained in identify politics. This is exactly what Ali exploits for her own gain.

It’s typically women that hate other women unnecessarily. Them and incels.

[Swan]

When people have no argument, they call a differing opinion "hate". So predictable. Also shut up and get back in the kitchen GoldHeart Glenn as a man, knows much better than you, you're just a woman!

[GoldHeart]

Khaled wasn’t being himself. He said that he wasn’t himself

False

He just said there's stuff he keeps private, he said he was an open book to talk about anything. But he just kept a few stuff private due to cultural & religious reasons. And people should respect that.

All the housemates will be keeping stuff a secret, but Khaled unfairly got targeted for it .

Even Rosie was embarrassed & worried that her Dad had been watching her , they're all thinking about their families... it's only natural.

[GoldHeart]

It’s typically women that hate other women unnecessarily. Them and incels.

When all fails just call a woman a woman hater ,ahhhh makes sense in this progressive world :hee::conf: .

[Glenn.]

When people have no argument, they call a differing opinion "hate". So predictable. Also shut up and get back in the kitchen GoldHeart Glenn as a man, knows much better than you, you're just a woman!

Didn’t you publicly ridicule a woman you’d met online on here because she didn’t want to be your girlfriend

[Swan]

Ali's new best mate in the house is Nathan btw. A Tory royalist, who wants Farage as PM, who was massively offensive to Khaled (her jaw dropped when he was saying that stuff about Palestine). That's her new buddy.

[Glenn.]

When all fails just call a woman a woman hater ,ahhhh makes sense in this progressive world :hee::conf: .

Who has failed? You have your opinion, I have mine. I think you’re wrong and you think I’m wrong.

I’m just too busy to go back and forth with you

[Swan]

Didn’t you publicly ridicule a woman you’d met online on here because she didn’t want to be your girlfriend

Nope, asked for advice. I was too hesitant when it came to going to Wales to stay at her place. Went on for a while, i should have gone, i didn't, she found someone else. That's life, it happens. You ever lost in love?

[GoldHeart]

Ali's new best mate in the house is Nathan btw. A Tory royalist, who wants Farage as PM, who was massively offensive to Khaled (her jaw dropped when he was saying that stuff about Palestine). That's her new buddy.

Yeah it literally goes against everything she believes in & stands for :joker::joker: , she didn't even pull Nathan up on his Khaled comment...as she needs him as a friend, as she put it " we're all being picked off 1 by 1 " .


Ali needs allies basically lol . She will mould herself into anything to get ahead. When Nathan was slagging off Khaled...she just calmly responded,then she felt the need to bitch about Sarah ,Hanah and the core group... Saying "you need to twerk and flirt to stay in the competition" or something .

[Lostie!]

See this is the problem, and why Ali will piss the win. Khaled never, not once lied to a HM's face when directly asked if they were talking about him. Ali did it last night. But to her cultist followers, Khaled was the fake, disingenuous one. See how it makes no sense whatsoever? See how easy it is to fool people, and win BB in 2024. Tick boxes, that's all you need. Easy.

Over the past few days you've called Ali fans nutters, gullible and now cultists. If people liking a Big Brother housemate you don't like makes you so viscerally angry, please get some fresh air. Lots of it

[Glenn.]

Nope, asked for advice. I was too hesitant when it came to going to Wales to stay at her place. Went on for a while, i should have gone, i didn't, she found someone else. That's life, it happens. You ever lost in love?

No I haven’t

[Swan]

Over the past few days you've called Ali fans nutters, gullible and now cultists. If people liking a Big Brother housemate you don't like makes you so viscerally angry, please get some fresh air. Lots of it

"viscerally angry" what? :joker: Ali's fans evicted Khaled, and Ali winning is paying for my Christmas. Why would that make me angry? :laugh:

How do you feel about her alliance with Nathan, Tory, Farage loving roylist?

No I haven’t

Lucky you.

[Glenn.]

Thank you

[Lostie!]

"viscerally angry" what? :joker: Ali's fans evicted Khaled, and Ali winning is paying for my Christmas. Why would that make me angry? :laugh:

How do you feel about her alliance with Nathan, Tory, Farage loving roylist?



Lucky you.

You tell me, no amount of :joker: changes the fact you're clearly raging about her very existence. But hey, merry Christmas! I have a feeling hers will be even better.

[Swan]

You tell me, no amount of :joker: changes the fact you're clearly raging about her very existence. But hey, merry Christmas! I have a feeling hers will be even better.

So predictable, nothing to add to the debate, so just resort to calling others "hateful" and "raging". That's an old burnt out tactic to attempt to shut someone down, it doesn't work. Im perfectly calm thank you very much. And would be generally interested in your thoughts on her new formed alliance with Tory, Farage loving, royalist Nathan?

[Kazanne]

"viscerally angry" what? :joker: Ali's fans evicted Khaled, and Ali winning is paying for my Christmas. Why would that make me angry? :laugh:

How do you feel about her alliance with Nathan, Tory, Farage loving roylist?



Lucky you.

It shouldn't matter what political stance Nathan has, but that is the reason he gets such hate which is pathetic,this is BB.

[GoldHeart]

Ali was even rubbing it in Rosie's face , about how Nathan is a Farage supporter. Rosie was put on the spot by her ...when she asked her what her family will think of her relationship with Nathan, it was so awkward. It looked almost as if Ali enjoyed seeing Rosie squirm.

[Swan]

It shouldn't matter what political stance Nathan has, but that is the reason he gets such hate which is pathetic,this is BB.

I don't hate him, he's just a bit meh to me overall. And i hated the cringey "showmance" with BP. It's just interesting how people like Ali with her beliefs usually detest what someone like Nathan stands for, she's even expressed this in the past, yet all of a sudden she's best mates with him. It's an interesting concept

[BBXX]

So predictable, nothing to add to the debate, so just resort to calling others "hateful" and "raging". That's an old burnt out tactic to attempt to shut someone down, it doesn't work. Im perfectly calm thank you very much. And would be generally interested in your thoughts on her new formed alliance with Tory, Farage loving, royalist Nathan?

I think we've established you are the person prone to name calling.

[Swan]

I think we've established you are the person prone to name calling.

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51RwN2ePf+L._AC_UF894,1000_QL80_.jpg

[Liam-]

Me thinks some grass needs to be touched, this vendetta people have against Ali is wild, you’d think she’d personally kicked everyone’s puppies the way people go on

[BBXX]

Ali was even rubbing it in Rosie's face , about how Nathan is a Farage supporter. Rosie was put on the spot by her ...when she asked her what her family will think of her relationship with Nathan, it was so awkward. It looked almost as if Ali enjoyed seeing Rosie squirm.

:laugh: That's such a misinterpretation of what happened. It was two women having a conversation and Rosie has said from the get go her parents were left socialists and wouldn't know what to make of him, they were sharing in a joke!

[Zizu]

:laugh: That's such a misinterpretation of what happened. It was two women having a conversation and Rosie has said from the get go her parents were left socialists and wouldn't know what to make of him, they were sharing in a joke!


This is partly why I took a step back from all the nonsense posted about Ali .. people watching the same program as me were posting wildly misleading, inaccurate descriptions of what we’d all see .. the other online forums aren’t as toxic as this place has been towards Ali


Literally hundreds of nonsense posts all being passed off as accurate .. some were describing what she was THINKING or what her tactics were … then the gullible, easy led ones simply jumped on the bandwagon spreading spurious lies

Absolutely incredible


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[GoldHeart]

:laugh: That's such a misinterpretation of what happened. It was two women having a conversation and Rosie has said from the get go her parents were left socialists and wouldn't know what to make of him, they were sharing in a joke!

She stood there and was snide with Rosie , she has also expressed how she doesn't think Rosie is genuine. Ali is not her friend :laugh: .

[BBXX]

She stood there and was snide with Rosie , she has also expressed how she doesn't think Rosie is genuine. Ali is not her friend :laugh: .

I didn't say she was her friend, but that doesn't mean they can't just have a conversation, they were bonding over both being up for eviction IIRC and as a result conversation go to how things will be on the outside world. And she wasn't snide in the slightest?

Ali has said herself you can be fake in the house, but still be a good person. She might be wary of BP but she's never nominated her, so it's not like she dislikes her.

One of Ali's biggest criticisms from people is that she over analyses, yet that is one of things people do most to Ali, it's almost like every action and every conversation is warped into something nefarious. It's amusing but also quite obsessive at this point. I've never known anything quite like it.

[Liam-]

:laugh: That's such a misinterpretation of what happened. It was two women having a conversation and Rosie has said from the get go her parents were left socialists and wouldn't know what to make of him, they were sharing in a joke!

People will say anything to try and justify the irrational level of hatred they have for her, because that scenario very clearly isn’t anywhere near accurate to what happened :joker:

[BBXX]

This is partly why I took a step back from all the nonsense posted about Ali .. people watching the same program as me were posting wildly misleading, inaccurate descriptions of what we’d all see .. the other online forums aren’t as toxic as this place has been towards Ali


Literally hundreds of nonsense posts all being passed off as accurate .. some were describing what she was THINKING or what her tactics were … then the gullible, easy led ones simply jumped on the bandwagon spreading spurious lies

Absolutely incredible


Yes, very toxic and very strange tbh.

[GoldHeart]

Yes, very toxic and very strange tbh.

Ikr
And Toxic and strangeness is exactly what will win BB , Ali the fraudster has it in the bag :hee:.

[BBXX]

Ikr
And Toxic and strangeness is exactly what will win BB , Ali the fraudster has it in the bag :hee:.

Fingers crossed :hee: :cheer2:

[Swan]

People will say anything to try and justify the irrational level of hatred they have for her, because that scenario very clearly isn’t anywhere near accurate to what happened :joker:

Yes, very toxic and very strange tbh.

Always the same, you don't like someone/have a different opinion, you're an "irrational hater" Tired old tactic to try and discredit and shut the opposing, more complex opinion down. Lazy.

Bit like Ali with Khaled i guess, that irrational hatred she had for him before she knew he was somewhat popular on the outside.

So transparent.

[BBXX]

People will say anything to try and justify the irrational level of hatred they have for her, because that scenario very clearly isn’t anywhere near accurate to what happened :joker:

Sometimes I feel like I am watching a different show :laugh: I can't imagine being consumed with that level of dislike for someone I don't know. Even my least favourite contestant Marcello I've said nice things about.

[BBXX]

Always the same, you don't like someone/have a different opinion, you're an "irrational hater" Tired old tactic to try and discredit and shut the opposing, more complex opinion down. Lazy.

Bit like Ali with Khaled i guess, that irrational hatred she had for him before she knew he was somewhat popular on the outside.

So transparent.

It's not that at all, I think the constant name calling of all HMs is toxic and cruel. Ali just happens to be the one people push their vitriol towards the most and to an excessive degree. Some people seem obsessed in a negative way.

Name calling isn't a complex opinion, btw.

[Swan]

Remember last week Ali was distancing herself from Nathan, now she's best mates with him. To me, that's completely transparent and phoney as he's survived about as many evictions as her.

How is that ^ "hating on her". Questioning, hers, or any other HM's motivation is literally why this forum exists. I'd happily have a respectful debate about it, but as soon as you try to put your point across and others don't like it, you're a "raging hater". It's boring

[GoldHeart]

Emma noticed a change in her behaviour as well,when she noticed how Ali started gravitating towards herself, Nathan & Rosie.

Ali will cling to whoever she thinks is popular, she panicked when Lily got evicted. Then she regrouped and hung on for dear life to Nathan.

[Swan]

Emma noticed a change in her behaviour as well,when she noticed how Ali started gravitating towards herself, Nathan & Rosie.

Ali will cling to whoever she thinks is popular, she panicked when Lily got evicted. Then she regrouped and hung on for dear life to Nathan.

And that's allowed to be questioned, Considering his political stance, it's shocking to see her so close with him, for all what he stands for. Being civil is one thing, but actually mating up with him and saying she'll "take Rosie's place with him" is absolutely worth questioning.

[BBXX]

Remember last week Ali was distancing herself from Nathan, now she's best mates with him. To me, that's completely transparent and phoney as he's survived about as many evictions as her.

How is that ^ "hating on her". Questioning, hers, or any other HM's motivation is literally why this forum exists. I'd happily have a respectful debate about it, but as soon as you try to put your point across and others don't like it, you're a "raging hater". It's boring

Dude, you've called people who like Ali many names, so maybe don't take the high ground on the subject of name calling because frankly you are on the of the worst offenders.

Ali wasn't distancing herself from Nathan at all. What's happened is that Ali's best friend was still in the house, and she'd even bonded really closely with Khaled and he left, and so of course she will gravitate towards others. Ali's lost all those closest to her, do viewers expect her to sit on her own? That isn't phoney, it's just human and they would have all done it.

And this is what I find missing when it comes to judgement of Ali's behaviour: wider context and nuance.

Like yesterday, she got a load of critique about being nice to Segun and then complaining about him. That was totally a normal reaction: she said to him he shouldn't feel bad about getting the 10k because it will change his life, but of course she would still to be annoyed she was put in that position, she's allowed to feel disappointed and irritated while still reassuring someone who was also in a **** position.

[BBXX]

Emma noticed a change in her behaviour as well,when she noticed how Ali started gravitating towards herself, Nathan & Rosie.

Because she was alone. :joker:

https://x.com/Th3RedWitch/status/1855997400814428344

[Swan]

Dude, you've called people who like Ali many names, so maybe don't take the high ground on the subject of name calling because frankly you are on the of the worst offenders.

Ali wasn't distancing herself from Nathan at all. What's happened is that Ali's best friend was still in the house, and she'd even bonded really closely with Khaled and he left, and so of course she will gravitate towards others. Ali's lost all those closest to her, do viewers expect her to sit on her own? That isn't phoney, it's just human and they would have all done it.

And this is what I find missing when it comes to judgement of Ali's behaviour: wider context and nuance.

Like yesterday, she got a load of critique about being nice to Segun and then complaining about him. That was totally a normal reaction: she said to him he shouldn't feel bad about getting the 10k because it will change his life, but of course she would still to be annoyed she was put in that position, she's allowed to feel disappointed and irritated while still reassuring someone who was also in a **** position.

I have, i admit that. I've called people nutters because when you point out her faults (every human has them) you're branded a "hater" and everyone just doubles down and calls her a "queen" and can't, for some reason see anything but the sun shining out her arse. That's crazy to me, how people can dismiss such behaviour. Like he lying to Emma, kissing Nathan's arse and offering to "take Rosie's place" with Nathan?

Oh and gullible, yes. Becuase all she does, literally every single HL show, is slate others for "knowing the cameras" are there. Yet she wears shirts KNOWING what she's doing. She's not wearing them for comfort, hate to break it to you. She's a massive hypocrite, at best.

[GoldHeart]

Because she was alone. :joker:

https://x.com/Th3RedWitch/status/1855997400814428344

There's talking to housemates and then there's crawling up their bum.

[BBXX]

I have, i admit that. I've called people nutters because when you point out her faults (every human has them) you're branded a "hater" and everyone just doubles down and calls her a "queen" and can't, for some reason see anything but the sun shining out her arse. That's crazy to me, how people can dismiss such behaviour. Like he lying to Emma, kissing Nathan's arse and offering to "take Rosie's place" with Nathan?

I agree it's annoying when people can't admit her faults, but it's equally annoying when people read into every little thing in a negative way, as well and I see that happening far more than the other.

She shouldn't have lied to Emma, it was a weird thing to do, but then her convo in the diary room was odd because she seemed to not remember. I don't actually think that was a lie because she's not stupid. I don;'t agree with the way she was with Khaled at the start, either.

But I've not seen one other HM put under such a negative microscope as much as Ali and those are are just as annoying, if not more because it's fuelled from dislike, than the fans that won't hear a bad word said about her.

[BBXX]

There's talking to housemates and then there's crawling up their bum.

Was she gravitating towards other HMs or what she crawling up their bum?

She's always been close with Nathan anyway so it's kind of a moot point.

I love Emma but she has bitched about nearly everyone yet is always friendly to their face :shrug: so not sure Emma is the right person to judge.

[Lostie!]

So predictable, nothing to add to the debate, so just resort to calling others "hateful" and "raging". That's an old burnt out tactic to attempt to shut someone down, it doesn't work. Im perfectly calm thank you very much. And would be generally interested in your thoughts on her new formed alliance with Tory, Farage loving, royalist Nathan?

You've been insulting Ali fans for ages. Whilst you're out there getting that fresh air I advised, pick up some self awareness while you're at it Also, what debate? You're not providing any debate, you're just being arsey because someone you don't like on a TV show happens to have fans. I promise there's a big world out there, go explore it.

And I couldn't care less about her being friends with Nathan. Any further questions treacle?

[Swan]

You've been insulting Ali fans for ages. Whilst you're out there getting that fresh air I advised, pick up some self awareness while you're at it :hee: Also, what debate? You're not providing any debate, you're just being arsey because someone you don't like on a TV show happens to have fans. I promise there's a big world out there, go explore it.

And I couldn't care less about her being friends with Nathan. Any further questions treacle?

Treacle? That's brilliant, haven't been called that for years, love it :hee:

I don't like Trump either, but he still won. These things happen. Always healthy to debate it though, huh?

Why are you using "get some fresh air" as an insult, sweetheart?

[Lostie!]

Treacle? That's brilliant, haven't been called that for years, love it :hee:

I don't like Trump either, but he still won. These things happen. Always healthy to debate it though, huh?

Why are you using "get some fresh air" as an insult, sweetheart?

It's not an insult, it's genuine advice because your response to Ali is verging on alarming.

But hey, I'm a mentally unwell, gullible cult member according to somebody who never insults people so what do I know?

[Swan]

It's not an insult, it's genuine advice because your response to Ali is verging on alarming.

Same old bollocks, you are "worrying, alarming, raging". Im still smiling at the being called "treacle" tbh. I would expect nothing less though. Predictable as always.

I seem to remember you and your "alarming hatred" for Nathan in the daily HL show thread, now you're ok with him, because Ali is? Ok then. Queen of morals.

[Swan]

It's not an insult, it's genuine advice because your response to Ali is verging on alarming.

But hey, I'm a mentally unwell, gullible cult member according to somebody who never insults people so what do I know?

Help is out there. Good luck