Can someone explain to me the selection process for the 4 that entered The Vault?

[Mrluvaluva]

I feel like there was no official statement on this or I have amnesia. I understand Segun selected the 3 to join him the first time but I am at a loss to understand the latest selection process. I haven't really read much on the forum today so feel like I may have missed something.

[GoldHeart]

If you're talking about the one that led to Sarah & Tom's eviction, it was literally the 4 housemates with the lowest votes . BB told them to go to the vault.

Then the remaining housemates had to guess who would be evicted/ have the least public votes . They guessed correctly & the prize fund stayed the same. Sarah & Tom received the lowest public votes to win ,so they both got back door evicted :shrug:.

[Mrluvaluva]

If you're talking about the one that led to Sarah & Tom's eviction, it was literally the 4 housemates with the lowest votes . BB told them to go to the vault.

Then the remaining housemates had to guess who would be evicted/ have the least public votes . They guessed correctly & the prize fund stayed the same. Sarah & Tom received the lowest public votes to win ,so they both got back door evicted :shrug:.

I just can't see where that was officially confirmed though. Any pointers?

[GoldHeart]

I just can't see where that was officially confirmed though. Any pointers?

Well BB called those 4 to the vault,so we're led to believe out of all 8 remaining that - Segun,Sarah, Nathan & Tom had the lowest overall votes combined .

I don't think BB did a fake bottom like IAC? ...but then again I do think Nathan may finish quite high in the final...but who knows ,as it was mentioned ...the public
have been ' voting to 'save' / 'win' . And I think Segun will finish
in 6 th place in the final.

[Withano]

They surely didn’t just give a spoiler for 6th and 5th place…

I’d like to think it was a producer decision for good tv

[Mrluvaluva]

Well BB called those 4 to the vault,so we're led to believe out of all 8 remaining that - Segun,Sarah, Nathan & Tom had the lowest overall votes combined .

I don't think BB did a fake bottom like IAC? ...but then again I do think Nathan may finish quite high in the final...but who knows ,as it was mentioned ...the public
have been ' voting to 'save' / 'win' . And I think Segun will finish
in 6 th place in the final.

My point is. Nobody knew when it was initially announced how many would be entering The Vault. Some assumed it would be all 8.

For me, that would be far more interesting, as you then couldn't work out the hierarchy in the other 6.

If it's true, that the 4 who entered The Vault had the fewest votes from the public, the process of elimination that happened would tell us that Nathan and Segun now had the least public support at that point and were the weakest in the winning stakes. I don't buy into that.

I'm cynical. I think a lot of the reasoning for this comes from hearsay.

In the first round it was notable that Segun had to pick the other 3 himself. This time BB chose the 4. Some might believe it was the bottom 4 but that's not necessarily so.

You understand where I'm coming from?

There has been no clear point on this

[Mrluvaluva]

They surely didn’t just give a spoiler for 6th and 5th place…

I’d like to think it was a producer decision for good tv

Well if it were the bottom 4 at that point then yes. Although things can change. BP, Sarah and Thomas fans now get to change their allegiance. I just think it's rather swayed.

[GoldHeart]

My point is. Nobody knew when it was initially announced how many would be entering The Vault. Some assumed it would be all 8.

For me, that would be far more interesting, as you then couldn't work out the hierarchy in the other 6.

If it's true, that the 4 who entered The Vault had the fewest votes from the public, the process of elimination that happened would tell us that Nathan and Segun now had the least public support at that point and were the weakest in the winning stakes. I don't buy into that.

I'm cynical. I think a lot of the reasoning for this comes from hearsay.

In the first round it was notable that Segun had to pick the other 3 himself. This time BB chose the 4. Some might believe it was the bottom 4 but that's not necessarily so.

You understand where I'm coming from?

There has been no clear point on this

I get what you're saying,but I believe Segun really has low votes & in the bottom 3 with Sarah & Tom. I have my doubts about Nathan,and BB probably put him in as a random one .

As it would give the game away,and ruin the surprise.


I guess we'll see what order the housemates finish in on the final.

But I'm thinking Sarah ,Tom & Segun really are low in public votes & Nathan was thrown into the mix randomly. As I keep thinking he'll finish high in the final.

[Mrluvaluva]

I get what you're saying,but I believe Segun really has low votes & in the bottom 3 with Sarah & Tom. I have my doubts about Nathan,and BB probably put him in as a random one .

As it would give the game away,and ruin the surprise.


I guess we'll see what order the housemates finish in on the final.

But I'm thinking Sarah ,Tom & Segun really are low in public votes & Nathan was thrown into the mix randomly. As I keep thinking he'll finish high in the final.

But now do the public think Nathan, for example, is low in votes, thus potentially garnering him more support? Or Segun? We don't know how the current voting stands. It could be a clever ploy.

They should have just opened the vote to win tonight imo. A vote to evict and a vote to save/win are 2 very different things and have different outcomes.

Anyway...

Que sera, sera.

[GoldHeart]

But now do the public think Nathan, for example, is low in votes, thus potentially garnering him more support? Or Segun? We don't know how the current voting stands. It could be a clever ploy.

They should have just opened the vote to win tonight imo. A vote to evict and a vote to save/win are 2 very different things and have different outcomes.

Anyway...

Que sera, sera.

Yeah it is very weird how BB has done this , and it seems the backdoor evictions were plenty this series. Even Will was saying on L& L ....how the results may have been very different if it was 'VTE ' instead of ' VTW '.

I think people will assume Nathan & Segun were legit in danger to get evicted. But I don't think Segun will get enough support to finish any higher than 6th place, but the ploy has probably worked in Nathan's favour. As I keep thinking he'll finish 3rd place.

[Cherie]

Not sure BB confirmed it was the 4 with the lowest votes, he just said two would not be returning, if he had said 4 with the lowest it is unlikely Nathan would have been whining in the DR about being taken in for a second evening? unless they said it on L and L?

[Ammi]

…how I understood it as we were watching it…is that BB gave the four housemates to go into The Vault…two of which were the lowest voted…?…(…the other two, could have been placed anywhere in the votes…)…and obviously they did their bets to see if they correctly chose those two lowest, which they did…but the other two weren’t necessarily part of the lower voting…they just weren’t teo that would win the bet for them…but then others said that they all 4 were the lowest so it really wasn’t clear…/…I didn’t understand it to be all four, only two lowest and two others…

[Ammi]

…I think that I might replay it at some point today to see if it’s any more clear…

[Cherie]

…how I understood it as we were watching it…is that BB gave the four housemates to go into The Vault…two of which were the lowest voted…?…(…the other two, could have been placed anywhere in the votes…)…and obviously they did their bets to see if they correctly chose those two lowest, which they did…but the other two weren’t necessarily part of the lower voting…they just weren’t teo that would win the bet for them…but then others said that they all 4 were the lowest so it really wasn’t clear…/…I didn’t understand it to be all four, only two lowest and two others…

This is how I understood it as well

[MTVN]

It might have just been a random two but there's a very good chance that Segun and Nathan were 5th and 6th in the votes which makes it quite suspicious

Nathan seems to think they just did it to him to mess with him again after last night

[Mrluvaluva]

Let's say the roles were reversed though. Ali, Emma, Hanah and Marcello were put in The Vault. How would that have worked out?

My point being BB made the choices. Not the public nor the HM's. For all we know Marcello might have had less public support than Sarah at that point. So if he had entered The Vault he could have possibly gone. In my mind it was well thought out to get the best possible result in the producers eyes because only they know the public opinion and how they want to push that.

I don't like it when the choice is left to the powers that be.

What happened to democracy?!

:)

[Mrluvaluva]

This is how I understood it as well

But, with all due respect , that's how it was perceived but not necessarily how it happened.

I question it.

[Ammi]

Let's say the roles were reversed though. Ali, Emma, Hanah and Marcello were put in The Vault. How would that have worked out?

My point being BB made the choices. Not the public nor the HM's. For all we know Marcello might have had less public support than Sarah at that point. So if he had entered The Vault he could have possibly gone. In my mind it was well thought out to get the best possible result in the producers eyes because only they know the public opinion and how they want to push that.

I don't like it when the choice is left to the powers that be.

What happened to democracy?!

:)



…yeah, it absolutely sets thought processes in motion both inside the house and outside with the voters…I mean, this type of ‘end of game manipulation’ is another new beast for us, which we had when it went to Channel 5 and this adding another layer…so for me this last week has felt less like BB and the BB I love…it’s almost like they’re taking from other shows/maybe multiple ones and throwing it in there and it’s not gelling or flowing because it’s so messily being done…

[moon_peach]

I feel like there was no official statement on this or I have amnesia. I understand Segun selected the 3 to join him the first time but I am at a loss to understand the latest selection process. I haven't really read much on the forum today so feel like I may have missed something.

They didn’t state this at all, but I think we can assume those were the 4 lowest voted housemates, based on what we’re seeing from the polls and bookies. It makes sense they did that because otherwise, for us viewers there wouldn’t be much suspense. (Ie, if they’d put in Thomas, Sarah, Hanah & Marcello most of us would have had no doubt who was going).

[moon_peach]

To clarify, afaik they didn’t say they were the 4 lowest. They did say ‘the two housemates with the lowest votes are part of this 4 and will be sent home’

[moon_peach]

Let's say the roles were reversed though. Ali, Emma, Hanah and Marcello were put in The Vault. How would that have worked out?

My point being BB made the choices. Not the public nor the HM's. For all we know Marcello might have had less public support than Sarah at that point. So if he had entered The Vault he could have possibly gone. In my mind it was well thought out to get the best possible result in the producers eyes because only they know the public opinion and how they want to push that.

I don't like it when the choice is left to the powers that be.

What happened to democracy?!

:)

No. They did explicitly state that the 2 housemates with the lowest votes out of the 8 would be part of the 4 taken to the vault and evicted.

[MTVN]

I think they could have come up with a better way of doing it

BB could have paired them up and had each of them go into the vault for a chance to win a modest amount of money (like £1k each) then the final pair is Thomas and Sarah who find out they're being evicted instead of being able to win money

[Mrluvaluva]

They didn’t state this at all, but I think we can assume those were the 4 lowest voted housemates, based on what we’re seeing from the polls and bookies. It makes sense they did that because otherwise, for us viewers there wouldn’t be much suspense. (Ie, if they’d put in Thomas, Sarah, Hanah & Marcello most of us would have had no doubt who was going).

But yet again everyone is assuming.

There's no official corroboration on how the process happened.

One person's views isn't the same as the next.

I would have been hard pressed to choose between Marcello and Sarah had he been selected instead of Nathan for example. They both have their own qualities, yet, misgivings for certain aspects.

Marcello was down in the first couple of weeks because of certain comments that came over, to some, as quite misogynistic. Sarah had her moments too as in "Stop The Gloats" etc.

I think that might have been more suspenseful. :wink:

[bots]

i thought they would leave the positions of the other 2 that entered the vault unknown, but BB specifically said the 4 housemates with the lowest votes. Obviously things can change by friday, but it's pretty unlikely, so i do expect Nathan and Segun out first.

[Benjamin]

i thought they would leave the positions of the other 2 that entered the vault unknown, but BB specifically said the 4 housemates with the lowest votes. Obviously things can change by friday, but it's pretty unlikely, so i do expect Nathan and Segun out first.

They didnt.

[Mrluvaluva]

No. They did explicitly state that the 2 housemates with the lowest votes out of the 8 would be part of the 4 taken to the vault and evicted.

Ok. But the 2 with the lowest votes out of 8 doesn't equate to the two with the lowest votes out of 4.

Let's put Thomas, Segun, Marcello and Emma in there.

Emma might be in the lead. Who knows where Marcello is?

In that scenario, Thomas and Segun might have been shown the back door. Possibly Marcello. We don't know.

[Mrluvaluva]

They didnt.

Thank god someone understands my position!

[bots]

They didnt.

yes they did

[Benjamin]

yes they did

BB said:

4 of you will enter the vault.

Nathan stand up
Sarah stand up
Segun stand up
Thomas stand up

Only 2 of you will return.

*********
Then BB told the safe housemates:

The two housemates with the fewest votes are in the vault and will be evicted.

[Mrluvaluva]

yes they did

Oh no they didn't. :joker:

Point me in the right direction because I didn't see this.

[Benjamin]

Oh no they didn't. :joker:

Pointt me in the direction because I didn't see this.

I’ve literally just rewatched it and they didn’t say what bots is saying :laugh:

[bots]

I’ve literally just rewatched it and they didn’t say what bots is saying :laugh:

So did i, and they definitely said it :laugh:

[Benjamin]

So did i, and they definitely said it :laugh:

They didn’t. I’ve just typed out what BB said whilst watching it :joker:

[bots]

They didn’t. I’ve just typed out what BB said whilst watching it :joker:

you started your transposition too late in the dialog

[Benjamin]

My thinking for BB picking Segun and Nathan is out of everyone left they are the ones the majority of the public assumed would be at risk (even though they may actually be higher on the actual votes) so makes sense to pick them.

Also for the housemates to choose it made it harder. The safe 4 have all been saved from a recent eviction and had cheers.

Out of the vault 4; two had never faced an eviction, one hasn’t faced a live eviction since week 1 and one only faced an eviction without a crowd. So much harder to gauge how the public feel about them.

[Benjamin]

you started your transposition too late in the dialog

I started from when BB stopped them from going to bed. Which is when it started. They defo did not say the 4 going to the vault had the lowest votes.

[BBXX]

Yes they didn’t say anything about the 4 going in have the lowest votes, they said two of the four have the lowest votes. Were meant to (and the HMs are too) believe that the other two were random.

I think BB probably thought that they would choose Tom and Segun as safe as they were the two at the top of the line up as most likely to win.

[moon_peach]

But yet again everyone is assuming.

There's no official corroboration on how the process happened.

One person's views isn't the same as the next.

I would have been hard pressed to choose between Marcello and Sarah had he been selected instead of Nathan for example. They both have their own qualities, yet, misgivings for certain aspects.

Marcello was down in the first couple of weeks because of certain comments that came over, to some, as quite misogynistic. Sarah had her moments too as in "Stop The Gloats" etc.

I think that might have been more suspenseful. :wink:

They explicitly stated that the two housemates with the lowest votes out of the 8 would be in the vault. They didn’t state where the other 2 placed in there fell - that’s what I was assuming. They were clear that Thomas and Sarah received the least votes out of all 8.

[Mrluvaluva]

Yes they didn’t say anything about the 4 going in have the lowest votes, they said two of the four have the lowest votes. Were meant to (and the HMs are too) believe that the other two were random.

I think BB probably thought that they would choose Tom and Segun as safe as they were the two at the top of the line up as most likely to win.

Oh no. Definitely not Tom. They knew exactly what they were doing and the end result. Which is why Thomas went. The only thought BB had was about lowering the prize fund. ITV now have a reduced budget. :joker:

The latter part of my post was a joke.

[Mrluvaluva]

They explicitly stated that the two housemates with the lowest votes out of the 8 would be in the vault. They didn’t state where the other 2 placed in there fell - that’s what I was assuming. They were clear that Thomas and Sarah received the least votes out of all 8.

I have no qualms with that. My point is about the selection process, and how the outcome of that can be very different to work in certain people's favour. I'm not sure you get my point.

[Mrluvaluva]

you started your transposition too late in the dialog

No he didn't. Ben is entitled to put his point across as are everyone.

[Niamh.]

I didn't think they specifically said that 4 had the lowest votes but it seems likely they had

[moon_peach]

I have no qualms with that. My point is about the selection process, and how the outcome of that can be very different to work in certain people's favour. I'm not sure you get my point.

I don’t think you’re getting my point. We’re running around in circles!

It sounds like you think that the two with the least votes were chosen from the 4 in the vault. (Or have I misunderstood?) What I’m saying is that the two with the least votes were chosen from the 8 housemates. They were put in the vault because they were the lowest voted out of all 8. Then they just chucked in another 2 in order to create suspense/for the housemates to bet. But Thomas and Sarah would always have been put in the vault and would always have been evicted.

[Ammi]

BB said:

4 of you will enter the vault.

Nathan stand up
Sarah stand up
Segun stand up
Thomas stand up

Only 2 of you will return.

*********
Then BB told the safe housemates:

The two housemates with the fewest votes are in the vault and will be evicted.


…this is how I recall it as well…well, if that’s the actual text then I guess there’s a reason for my recollection…:laugh:…but even though I don’t think that BB specifically said the bottom 4….they cheekily knew what the interpretations would be…people aren’t ‘accidentally’ confused …they’ve been led to that confusion…

[rusticgal]

…how I understood it as we were watching it…is that BB gave the four housemates to go into The Vault…two of which were the lowest voted…?…(…the other two, could have been placed anywhere in the votes…)…and obviously they did their bets to see if they correctly chose those two lowest, which they did…but the other two weren’t necessarily part of the lower voting…they just weren’t teo that would win the bet for them…but then others said that they all 4 were the lowest so it really wasn’t clear…/…I didn’t understand it to be all four, only two lowest and two others…


At no point did they say the 4 with the lowest votes...otherwise it wouldn't be fair on the other 2. They wouldnt deliberately tell 2 people you are in the final BUT you have the lowest votes. However it could be very mis leading.

[Ammi]

At no point did they say the 4 with the lowest votes...otherwise it wouldn't be fair on the other 2. They wouldnt deliberately tell 2 people you are in the final BUT you have the lowest votes. However it could be very mis leading.

…yeah, I think that BB knew what it would lead people/fans to think without using any wording that actually said that…/… cheeky…

[Mrluvaluva]

I don’t think you’re getting my point. We’re running around in circles!

It sounds like you think that the two with the least votes were chosen from the 4 in the vault.

somewhat correct

(Or have I misunderstood?)

What I’m saying is that the two with the least votes were chosen from the 8 housemates. They were put in the vault because they were the lowest voted out of all 8.

Then they just chucked in another 2 in order to create suspense/for the housemates to bet.

Not necessarily correct. Who chose the other 2?

But Thomas and Sarah would always have been put in the vault and would always have been evicted.

But that's your opinion. Not fact.


I'm not trying to be pedantic on this. I just need reasoning and nobody has convinced me otherwise. Yet.

[joeysteele]

I think they selected most probably 2 who were high on the voting and the 2 who were the bottom two
Not just the bottom 4 overall.

That may leave some housemates thinking that Nathan and Segun are 5th and 6th in the voting when that may well not be the case.

So they mixed it all up a bit.

[moon_peach]

I'm not trying to be pedantic on this. I just need reasoning and nobody has convinced me otherwise. Yet.

It’s not my opinion. I’m pretty sure that before putting anyone in the vault, BB said to the housemates that the public had been voting to win, and that the 2 housemates with the lowest votes would now be evicted.

Now you’re saying this I’m questioning my memory! And I can’t be bothered to go back and rewatch it. But I’m pretty sure that’s what they said.

[moon_peach]

Just saw someone’s quoted it. ‘The two housemates with the lowest votes are in the vault’. That says it all. Obviously the two housemates with the lowest votes out of the 4 in the vault would be in the vault…. So they mean the 2 housemates with the lowest votes overall are in the vault

[Mrluvaluva]

It’s not my opinion. I’m pretty sure that before putting anyone in the vault, BB said to the housemates that the public had been voting to win, and that the 2 housemates with the lowest votes would now be evicted.

Now you’re saying this I’m questioning my memory! And I can’t be bothered to go back and rewatch it. But I’m pretty sure that’s what they said.

So effectively it's your opinion.

[moon_peach]

So effectively it's your opinion.

No….it’s my memory of what took place… That’s not the same thing as an opinion.

Listen. Why don’t you just go and watch the episode again?!

[Mrluvaluva]

No….it’s my memory of what took place… That’s not the same thing as an opinion.

Listen. Why don’t you just go and watch the episode again?!

No. You aren't showing me fact. It's your opinion on what you can remember. Two very different things.

[Niamh.]

I'm not sure what the argument is here? They didn't specifically say that the 4 who went into the Vault were the 4 with the least votes, if I was to guess I would have put those 4 as the ones with the lowest votes but that might not be the case. I suppose BB don't want us to know for sure

[moon_peach]

Yet it is. You aren't showing me fact. It's your opinion on what you can remember. Two very different things.

Yeah….that’s not what opinion is.

Not sure why you’re being so combative on this. If you’re not able to trust any of us, just rewatch that part of the episode closely for yourself.

[Mrluvaluva]

I'm not sure what the argument is here? They didn't specifically say that the 4 who went into the Vault were the 4 with the least votes, if I was to guess I would have put those 4 as the ones with the lowest votes but that might not be the case. I suppose BB don't want us to know for sure

There's no argument on my behalf. Some can't seem to grasp my thoughts. I haven't seen any conclusive evidence since my initial post. It's all "I am right! I am right!" I'm bored with it all now. Nobody has answered my question. It's become quite banal.

[Niamh.]

There's no argument on my behalf. Some can't seem to grasp my thoughts. I haven't seen any conclusive evidence since my initial post. It's all "I am right! I am right!" I'm bored with it all now. Nobody has answered my question. It's become quite banal.

Because there isn't an answer to your question as far as I know, they didn't explain it

[Mrluvaluva]

Yeah….that’s not what opinion is.

Not sure why you’re being so combative on this. If you’re not able to trust any of us, just rewatch that part of the episode closely for yourself.

Read the whole thread. Not just the last bits.

[Mrluvaluva]

Because there isn't an answer to your question as far as I know, they didn't explain it

Exactly. But I had to question it. And ooh lordy!

[Niamh.]

Exactly. But I had to question it. And ooh lordy!

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[Mrluvaluva]

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I'm a danger to myself. :joker: