The Hunt with hounds: Labour trying to stop it, again

[arista]

Live Debate Ian Dale
LBC



Local Hunts are tradition.



[Animal welfare campaigners are calling
on ministers to keep to a pledge to
toughen anti-hunt laws, as figures
suggest illegal foxhunting remains
widespread in England and Wales.

Almost 20 years since the
Hunting Act 2004 was brought in by
Tony Blair’s government,
the League Against Cruel Sports (Lacs) – the animal
welfare charity that was the driving force
behind the original ban – says its
data evidences how stronger legislation is
required to close loopholes and prohibit
trail hunting, which campaigners say
has been used as a smokescreen for
illegal foxhunting.
Trail hunting is where dogs follow
an animal-based scent.

The figures, which were released in
advance of the hunts’ Boxing Day parades,
were collated by Lacs from August and
encompassed both the cub-hunting
season and the first six weeks of the
foxhunting season,
which started in November.
They reveal 186 reports
of foxes being pursued by hunts
and 220 reports relating to suspected
illegal hunting incidents.]


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2024/dec/26/calls-for-labour-to-honour-pledge-to-toughen-anti-hunt-laws-england-wales-foxhunting

[Mystic Mock]

Good for Labour.

I hope that they succeed.

[Oliver_W]

Festive hunts are (by definition) infrequent, but Halal and Kosher are daily. If Labour care about animals cruelty, I know what I'd rather they focus on.

[arista]

Good SkyNewsHD

At a Live hunt in Buckinghamshire

[arista]

Good for Labour.

I hope that they succeed.


But it means all those fantastic hound dogs
would be killed
for You

[Beso]

I would be looking into these traditions a lot closer if I was Labour.

Take the kent annual boxing day swim...342 people entered the water but 872 came out.

[Vanessa]

I'm with Labour on this 100%

[Zizu]

I thought it had been completely banned 10 years ago !!!!

( apart from dragging something scented )

[joeysteele]

The Blair government didn't go far enough with this between 1997 to 2010.
However they started to do something at last.

Hunting is vile and barbaric.
It makes me feel really sick.
Plus the creeps partaking in the hunts are just despicable in my eyes.

I'm pleased Starmer and Labour are again looking at this and I hope more is done to stop it.
After both Cameron and May for the Cons in their time, had they got a good majority, they'd have made hunting LEGAL again.
Sick, absolutely sick.

Plus of course Farage and Reform are I believe firm supporters of hunting.
Farage certainly is.
That tells me all I need to know about him.

[arista]

The Blair government didn't go far enough with this between 1997 to 2010.
However they started to do something at last.

Hunting is vile and barbaric.
It makes me feel really sick.
Plus the creeps partaking in the hunts are just despicable in my eyes.

I'm pleased Starmer and Labour are again looking at this and I hope more is done to stop it.
After both Cameron and May for the Cons in their time, had they got a good majority, they'd have made hunting LEGAL again.
Sick, absolutely sick.

Plus of course Farage and Reform are I believe firm supporters of hunting.
Farage certainly is.
That tells me all I need to know about him.

Yes Farage has now overtaken
the Conservative memberships
with Reform UK

[joeysteele]

Yes Farage has now overtaken
the Conservative memberships
with Reform UK

Nothing to cheer from me about as to that.
I can't stand near all he stands for, OR his Party.

Membership doesn't really mean that much though.
The Labour Party in 2017 and 2019 elections had way over double the Conservative membership.
Yet lost decisively as you know arista.

[arista]

Back on this Hunt
All the hounds love it.

It is a tradition
Labour would be dumb to meddle with this

[Cherie]

For Fox sake stop the Hunt


barbarbic practice, someone should set a pack of dogs on you Arista see how you fare

[arista]

It is no longer a Fox Hunt.



If those great hounds chased me
I would Climb a Tree - Fast

[Crimson Dynamo]

id prefer if they focus on stopping the boats

another 500 young men broke into the UK yesterday

God only knows who they are and what they will do...

[Zizu]

Back on this Hunt
All the hounds love it.

It is a tradition
Labour would be dumb to meddle with this


They would be dumb to not meddle !!
Imho

[bots]

There are big arguments for and against, i live in a area where it's a big event, so i don't tend to get involved in the discussion

[Zizu]

There are big arguments for and against, i live in a area where it's a big event, so i don't tend to get involved in the discussion


Really ?

Protect the jobs of the dog handlers etc ?

[joeysteele]

Back on this Hunt
All the hounds love it.

It is a tradition
Labour would be dumb to meddle with this

The poor animals hunted don't love it.
It's despicable.
Kick the creeps off their horses and have animals hunting them would be preferable.

[arista]

The poor animals hunted don't love it.
It's despicable.
Kick the creeps off their horses and have animals hunting them would be preferable.


Its a sent
they are chasing

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.thetimes.com/imageserver/image/%2Fmethode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2Fce948bce-3a05-4e0f-ae48-a5d0cc1e3af6.jpg?crop=5000%2C2459%2C0%2C608&resize=618

[joeysteele]

Its a sent
they are chasing

... and what is likely to happen if an animal appears.
Do the dogs say, oh no we mustn't harm it.
Really!

These things can be used to cover live hunts

I wouldn't believe anything hunting organisations say.
I've seen in the Country how cruel and more to the point how devious the hunt organisers are.

[arista]

Yes accidents happen

[bots]

Each side needs to fully understand the other viewpoint. It is a tradition that goes back hundreds of years, it can be done without being cruel to foxes. Like it or not, hunting is still very much legal in the UK, the only contentious point is cruelty

[joeysteele]

Yes accidents happen

Some accident.
When pre arranged, by the very nature of the vile and intended action.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Reform UK leader Nigel Farage has launched a scathing attack on Labour's plans to ban
trail hunting, branding it an "attack on rural communities".


The MP suggested the hunting issue was just "the tip of the iceberg" in what he sees as
Labour's broader assault on rural life.

https://www.gbnews.com/media-library/nigel-farage.png?id=55405206&width=1000&quality=90

https://www.gbnews.com/news/nigel-farage-labour-trail-hunting

[Glenn.]

I would be looking into these traditions a lot closer if I was Labour.

Take the kent annual boxing day swim...342 people entered the water but 872 came out.

Did you read that in a reform Christmas cracker

[Kazanne]

Back on this Hunt
All the hounds love it.

It is a tradition
Labour would be dumb to meddle with this

No they don't arista many are injured as are the horses,when they are no longer useful they are shot.its barbaric as is any animal sport, and they dont have a choice,stupid grown ass oeople dressed in their silly red coats etc,they need to grow up and get their jollies some other way. Pillocks on horseback.

[ThomasC]

Whilst I don't agree with fox hunting it's interesting that in some countries they actively cull them as they're deemed a pest and a threat to wildlife and contributed to the extinction of some mammals. Australia for example where they kill as many as they can.

Not that I think we have this issue and don't think it should be allowed.

[arista]

No they don't arista many are injured as are the horses,when they are no longer useful they are shot.its barbaric as is any animal sport, and they dont have a choice,stupid grown ass oeople dressed in their silly red coats etc,they need to grow up and get their jollies some other way. Pillocks on horseback.


Of course, some hound dogs are sadly, injured.


But other packs, are not.


The problem for the Labour Party is
do they want a local war with country folk?

[Zizu]

... and what is likely to happen if an animal appears.
Do the dogs say, oh no we mustn't harm it.
Really!

These things can be used to cover live hunts

I wouldn't believe anything hunting organisations say.
I've seen in the Country how cruel and more to the point how devious the hunt organisers are.


Agreed

I wondered where they get the scent of a fox ..

[joeysteele]

No they don't arista many are injured as are the horses,when they are no longer useful they are shot.its barbaric as is any animal sport, and they dont have a choice,stupid grown ass oeople dressed in their silly red coats etc,they need to grow up and get their jollies some other way. Pillocks on horseback.

It's an extremely serious issue
I agree with you totally Kazanne.

I do love the pillocks on horseback quote.

[Oliver_W]

Whilst I don't agree with fox hunting it's interesting that in some countries they actively cull them as they're deemed a pest and a threat to wildlife and contributed to the extinction of some mammals. Australia for example where they kill as many as they can.

Not that I think we have this issue and don't think it should be allowed.

This is why I compare it to Halal and Kosher - killing/culling foxes has a utility, in some areas it needs to be done - same can be said for killing for food.

Fox hunting in the manner that some object to, is an old tradition - as are Halal and Kosher.

The fox population needs to be kept under control, but there's no need to do it in such a cruel way. People "need" to eat meat, but there's no excuse to slaughter them in such a cruel way.

[Mystic Mock]

But it means all those fantastic hound dogs
would be killed
for You

I don't know what to say that will fix that issue if I'm being honest with you.

But I just don't like Foxes being illegally hunted no other reason than "the thrill."

[Mystic Mock]

This is why I compare it to Halal and Kosher - killing/culling foxes has a utility, in some areas it needs to be done - same can be said for killing for food.

Fox hunting in the manner that some object to, is an old tradition - as are Halal and Kosher.

The fox population needs to be kept under control, but there's no need to do it in such a cruel way. People "need" to eat meat, but there's no excuse to slaughter them in such a cruel way.

Also these Foxes are being killed for fun/sport.

The reason for why it's happening is hugely important.

[joeysteele]

I don't know what to say that will fix that issue if I'm being honest with you.

But I just don't like Foxes being illegally hunted no other reason than "the thrill."

If there was none of these despicable trail or actual hunts, then the hounds wouldn't need to bred to supply hounds for the hunts in the first place.
So no need to kill them Mock.

What thrill any disgraceful mind could get too though from chasing and exhausting a fox or in fact any animal, to have it ripped to pieces by trained hounds, is beyond any decency in my view.
I would like this Labour government to go even much further actually.
Actually doing right at last.

[Zizu]

If there was none of these despicable trail or actual hunts, then the hounds wouldn't need to bred to supply hounds for the hunts in the first place.
So no need to kill them Mock.

What thrill any disgraceful mind could get too though from chasing and exhausting a fox or in fact any animal, to have it ripped to pieces by trained hounds, is beyond any decency in my view.
I would like this Labour government to go even much further actually.
Actually doing right at last.


^ THIS^

[Cherie]

A farmer shooting a fox to protect their sheep is a whole world away from hunting an animal for sport..... its really no different to going on Big Game kills, just because foxes are not endangered it is the same premise, blood thirsty 'sport'

[ThomasC]

This is why I compare it to Halal and Kosher - killing/culling foxes has a utility, in some areas it needs to be done - same can be said for killing for food.

Fox hunting in the manner that some object to, is an old tradition - as are Halal and Kosher.

The fox population needs to be kept under control, but there's no need to do it in such a cruel way. People "need" to eat meat, but there's no excuse to slaughter them in such a cruel way.

Yeah I agree

There's a humane way, but chasing an animal to exhaustion and then it being ripped apart isn't.

I don't think we have such an issue in this country that foxes need killing anyway

[Mystic Mock]

If there was none of these despicable trail or actual hunts, then the hounds wouldn't need to bred to supply hounds for the hunts in the first place.
So no need to kill them Mock.

What thrill any disgraceful mind could get too though from chasing and exhausting a fox or in fact any animal, to have it ripped to pieces by trained hounds, is beyond any decency in my view.
I would like this Labour government to go even much further actually.
Actually doing right at last.

Fair points.

Especially the bottom paragraph, I 100% agree with everything that you've said on that.

[Zizu]

Yeah I agree

There's a humane way, but chasing an animal to exhaustion and then it being ripped apart isn't.

I don't think we have such an issue in this country that foxes need killing anyway


The Royals supposedly get great satisfaction from chasing down stags until they are shot or die of sheer exhaustion . I know Charlie boy did … sometimes took his two sons but they get a pass as they were too young to say no or even know any better