Liam Payne 5 charged

[ThomasC]

3 for manslaughter and two for supplying drugs.

It angers me that despite him frothing at the mouth (most likely a seizure) they dragged him to his room rather than calling for an ambulance.

There are claims he tried to escape from room over balcony. He allegedly dropped his bag (which can be seen on photos) and thought he'd climb down......

Had he not been essentially locked in a room suffering a psychotic episode he may have still been here today.

I think that the hotel was too cautious over his status and didn't want to make a scene.

https://news.sky.com/story/liam-payne-five-charged-in-connection-with-death-of-one-direction-star-13281657

[arista]

Yes Lock them Up

[Kate!]

Yes Lock them Up

And throw away the key.

[Glenn.]

I get the two for supplying (even though he asked for them) but why the three for manslaughter?

[UserSince2005]

get a grip. this druggie would have died with or without these people and their actions.

either way he would have got his drugs, just like he got his prostitutes.

also one of those charge is a man and says he had sex with him the night prior.

this boy was a mess and it was only ever going to end like this.

[Vanessa]

3 for manslaughter and two for supplying drugs.

It angers me that despite him frothing at the mouth (most likely a seizure) they dragged him to his room rather than calling for an ambulance.

There are claims he tried to escape from room over balcony. He allegedly dropped his bag (which can be seen on photos) and thought he'd climb down......

Had he not been essentially locked in a room suffering a psychotic episode he may have still been here today.

I think that the hotel was too cautious over his status and didn't want to make a scene.

https://news.sky.com/story/liam-payne-five-charged-in-connection-with-death-of-one-direction-star-13281657

They should have called an ambulance immediately. Not locked him in his room.

[Kate!]

I get the two for supplying (even though he asked for them) but why the three for manslaughter?

Erm because they locked him in a room when he was having a disturbed episode and not responsible for his actions. That's what caused his death. Therefore its manslaughter.

[ThomasC]

I get the two for supplying (even though he asked for them) but why the three for manslaughter?

Assuming it's because they dragged him by his feet and hands (there's CCTV) screenshot of this....up to his room and stood outside so he couldn't leave.

The head receptionist rings 911 saying they're worried about his welfare and him being in a room with a balcony......6 minutes later he's dead.

They should have called an ambulance in the lobby and police....waited/restrained him if aggressive until they arrived.

Mistakes happen, but to escort someone to their room like that and prevent them leaving could also constitute kidnapping.

Where's the common sense

[Kate!]

Assuming it's because they dragged him by his feet and hands (there's CCTV) screenshot of this....up to his room and stood outside so he couldn't leave.

The head receptionist rings 911 saying they're worried about his welfare and him being in a room with a balcony......6 minutes later he's dead.

They should have called an ambulance in the lobby and police....waited/restrained him if aggressive until they arrived.

Mistakes happen, but to escort someone to their room like that and prevent them leaving could also constitute kidnapping.

Where's the common sense

Great post.

[ThomasC]

get a grip. this druggie would have died with or without these people and their actions.

either way he would have got his drugs, just like he got his prostitutes.

also one of those charge is a man and says he had sex with him the night prior.

this boy was a mess and it was only ever going to end like this.

Ohhh piss off with your absolute shite and disrespectful use of words.

[Kate!]

get a grip. this druggie would have died with or without these people and their actions.

either way he would have got his drugs, just like he got his prostitutes.

also one of those charge is a man and says he had sex with him the night prior.

this boy was a mess and it was only ever going to end like this.

Disgusting post.

[Glenn.]

Assuming it's because they dragged him by his feet and hands (there's CCTV) screenshot of this....up to his room and stood outside so he couldn't leave.

The head receptionist rings 911 saying they're worried about his welfare and him being in a room with a balcony......6 minutes later he's dead.

They should have called an ambulance in the lobby and police....waited/restrained him if aggressive until they arrived.

Mistakes happen, but to escort someone to their room like that and prevent them leaving could also constitute kidnapping.

Where's the common sense

So an ambulance was called then. And it seems he was put in his room because he was making a scene.

[ThomasC]

He didn't die from drugs

He died from blunt force trauma

The drugs is an aggravating factor.

Had they have sought him help sooner he might have still been here today.

Hence manslaughter charges

The hotel was more bothered about the fuss it would have created so didn't act sooner. They know all this stuff goes on.. a hotel worker allegedly supplied him some of the drugs.

He wanted out of that hotel room even if that meant trying to climb down, unfortunately we all know how that ended

[Glenn.]

He didn’t mean to climb down at all. He fell. CCTV confirmed. He wasnt trying to escape his room

He would have tried to save himself but that didn’t happen. Just went whack

[Crimson Dynamo]

He didn't die from drugs

He died from blunt force trauma

The drugs is an aggravating factor.

Had they have sought him help sooner he might have still been here today.

Hence manslaughter charges

The hotel was more bothered about the fuss it would have created so didn't act sooner. They know all this stuff goes on.. a hotel worker allegedly supplied him some of the drugs.

He wanted out of that hotel room even if that meant trying to climb down, unfortunately we all know how that ended

like a drink driver did not die from a drink

it was the tree?

[ThomasC]

So an ambulance was called then. And it seems he was put in his room because he was making a scene.

Ok

[ThomasC]

He didn’t mean to climb down at all. He fell. CCTV confirmed. He was trying to escape his room

How else do you escape your room if there's someone outside the front door stopping you..... You have contradicted yourself in your own post

[Kate!]

An ambulance was not called.

[ThomasC]

like a drink driver did not die from a drink

it was the tree?

No because that's not a causation.

Causation of death is the injury or disease.

So it would have been the injury received from hitting the tree.

[Benjamin]

Liam is still ultimately responsible for his own death.

[ThomasC]

Liam is still ultimately responsible for his own death.

Tell that to the judge

[Glenn.]

How else do you escape your room if there's someone outside the front door stopping you..... You have contradicted yourself in your own post

Read the edited post

He wasn’t trying to escape. He fell unconscious and fell. CCTV confirmed.

If the bloke wasn’t high as a kite he would still be alive. The drugs aren’t the aggravating factor here they were the sole reason.

[Kate!]

Dearie me. Poor Liam. Where's the empathy and understanding fgs. He should have been sectioned for his own safety. He'd still be here.

[Benjamin]

Tell that to the judge

I don’t need to. He was an adult. He chose to take drugs. That’s on him. Had those people charged not supplied them to him he would have sought them elsewhere.

I don’t disagree with drug dealers being charged btw, but Liam is the overall one that cost himself his own life.

[ThomasC]

Read the edited post

He wasn’t trying to escape. He fell unconscious and fell. CCTV confirmed.

If the bloke wasn’t high as a kite he would still be alive. The drugs aren’t the aggravating factor here they were the sole reason.

Well we will certainly disagree on it being the sole reason.

Aggravating factor is something that makes it more of a crime.

He was already high on drinks and drugs. He was then essentially locked in his room when he wasn't of sound mins. His room was 3 floors high

[Kate!]

Well we will certainly disagree on it being the sole reason.

Aggravating factor is something that makes it more of a crime.

He was already high on drinks and drugs. He was then essentially locked in his room when he wasn't of sound mins. His room was 3 floors high

Exactly!

[Benjamin]

Dearie me. Poor Liam. Where's the empathy and understanding fgs. He should have been sectioned for his own safety. He'd still be here.

I don’t have any for him. His family yes, but not him.

[Glenn.]

I don’t have any for him. His family yes, but not him.

Same

[ThomasC]

I don’t need to. He was an adult. He chose to take drugs. That’s on him. Had those people charged not supplied them to him he would have sought them elsewhere.

I don’t disagree with drug dealers being charged btw, but Liam is the overall one that cost himself his own life.

Had he not have been Hogg on drinks/drugs etc then there wouldn't have been a need to seek him medical attention, carry him to his room and stop him coming out, but that didn't ultimately cost him his life.

What cost him his life was a chain of events which could have been prevented from getting worse had the hotel not escorted him to his room when he clearly needed medical attention.

Instead, they put someone who was having a psychotic episode in a room which was 3 levels above ground. It's that act and the act that followed that caused his death

[Kate!]

I don’t have any for him. His family yes, but not him.

You don't have anything at all for a mentally ill person who wasn't in his right place at all. ? Surprised by that. Yes he was a fool. But people took advantage of that and that's what caused his death.

Like I said already they should have had him sectioned.

[Glenn.]

Well we will certainly disagree on it being the sole reason.

Aggravating factor is something that makes it more of a crime.

He was already high on drinks and drugs. He was then essentially locked in his room when he wasn't of sound mins. His room was 3 floors high

The drugs made him black out….

[ThomasC]

I don’t have any for him. His family yes, but not him.

Wow.

[ThomasC]

The drugs made him black out….

Are you talking in riddles?

What point are you making?

[ThomasC]

Mods close the thread.

I'm done here, I can't conversate with morons

Or give me a ban for a week.

I'm off to eat chocolate lol

[Benjamin]

Mods close the thread.

I'm done here, I can't conversate with morons

Or give me a ban for a week.

I'm off to eat chocolate lol

No need to call people morons because they don’t agree with you.

Maybe a forum isn’t the place for you.

[Kate!]

No need to call people morons because they don’t agree with you.

Maybe a forum isn’t the place for you.

Ok morons is strong but I get Thomas's frustration. I've had a psychotic episode and it's very dangerous because you really don't know what you're doing? I was put on a mental health ward for a few months and fortunately made a full recovery with an awful lot of support. That could have happened for Liam if they'd done the right thing.

[Benjamin]

Ok morons is strong but I get Thomas's frustration. I've had a psychotic episode and it's very dangerous because you really don't know what you're doing? I was put on a mental health ward for a few months and fortunately made a full recovery with an awful lot of support. That could have happened for Liam if they'd done the right thing.

Yes but you weren’t also foolish enough to be taking drugs. And if he was so unstable why didn’t his family sanction him?

[Kate!]

Yes but you weren’t also foolish enough to be taking drugs. And if he was so unstable why didn’t his family sanction him?

He was only unstable the last couple of days. Before that he'd been doing very well. Then they preyed on him with the drugs. Yes tbf he chose to take them, it's an addiction. I'm sure his family would've staged an intervention if they'd known.

[Benjamin]

He was only unstable the last couple of days. Before that he'd been doing very well. Then they preyed on him with the drugs. Yes tbf he chose to take them, it's an addiction. I'm sure his family would've staged an intervention if they'd known.

Preyed on him lol. He was taking drugs well before that. If they hadn’t supplied them to him he would have got them elsewhere.

[Crimson Dynamo]

he could not wait to cheat and humiliate his girlfriend as soon as she left

[Kate!]

Preyed on him lol. He was taking drugs well before that. If they hadn’t supplied them to him he would have got them elsewhere.

Don't agree sorry. He'd gotten clean. I know his history with drugs. And as I said it's an addiction, they did prey on him. Yes he was weak. Can't condemn him for that. Vulnerable. They clearly had no conscience with a recovering addict.

It is definitely manslaughter.

[Kate!]

he could not wait to cheat and humiliate his girlfriend as soon as she left

Bullcrap. Proof?

[Benjamin]

Don't agree sorry. He'd gotten clean. I know his history with drugs. And as I said it's an addiction, they did prey on him. Yes he was weak. Can't condemn him for that. Vulnerable. They clearly had no conscience with a recovering addict.

It is definitely manslaughter.

Gotten clean? So you knew him personally to know that. Ok then.

[UserSince2005]

He talked so much about wanting to kill himself in interviews.

And then when he jumps from a balcony you want me to believe it was all just a accident lol

[Kate!]

Gotten clean? So you knew him personally to know that. Ok then.

No, it's documented. He's in the public eye, I mean he was. He'd done rehab, the whole shebang. I don't have to know him personally??

[Kate!]

Friends of Liam Payne have claimed they have proof that the One Direction singer was clean from substances just days before he fell to his death from a third floor hotel balcony in Argentina.

The 31-year-old singer was in Buenos Aires on holiday with the hopes of seeing his former bandmate Niall Horan perform on his tour. Friends close to the star believe he had to be clean as Liam was renewing his expired US visa while in Argentina, ahead of moving to Florida, for which he was asked to undergo tests.

Pals say that Liam had spoken to US embassy officials when he was looking to renew the visa and had been questioned by about his previous stints in rehab. As part of obtaining a new visa, Liam was asked to take a drug test before travelling

[Benjamin]

No, it's documented. He's in the public eye, I mean he was. He'd done rehab, the whole shebang. I don't have to know him personally??

Doing rehab doesn’t mean a thing. It’s very easy to relapse (as we’ve seen with so many celebs before) and for that not to be public knowledge until something happens. Like I said, if he hadn’t got drugs from these people he most likely would have sought them elsewhere. He is responsible for his own death.

You may not like my opinion on it, and that’s fine. But it’s my opinion in a forum called serious debates.

[Crimson Dynamo]

'Leaked texts' reveal more details of Liam Payne's final hours: Singer 'told hotel staff they
were 'useless' because they couldn't get cocaine - and he offered sex worker $5,000 to
come to his hotel in hours before death'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14185801/liam-payne-leaked-texts-final-hours-singer-hotel-staff-cocaine-sex-workers.html

[Crimson Dynamo]

blame everyone but him

[Kate!]

'Leaked texts' reveal more details of Liam Payne's final hours: Singer 'told hotel staff they
were 'useless' because they couldn't get cocaine - and he offered sex worker $5,000 to
come to his hotel in hours before death'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14185801/liam-payne-leaked-texts-final-hours-singer-hotel-staff-cocaine-sex-workers.html

Hearsay and speculation.

[Kate!]

Doing rehab doesn’t mean a thing. It’s very easy to relapse (as we’ve seen with so many celebs before) and for that not to be public knowledge until something happens. Like I said, if he hadn’t got drugs from these people he most likely would have sought them elsewhere. He is responsible for his own death.

You may not like my opinion on it, and that’s fine. But it’s my opinion in a forum called serious debates.

Not disputing your right to your opinion. But I disagree with it. That's my opinion. ? He'd still be alive if it weren't for those people.

[Benjamin]

Not disputing your right to your opinion. But I disagree with it. That's my opinion. ? He'd still be alive if it weren't for those people.

Possibly but he’d also still be alive if he had chosen not to take drugs.

[rusticgal]

It was irresponsible of the staff to drag him from a safe environment of the Hotel lobby to his third floor bedroom with a balcony and lock him in…and then phone the emergency services to tell them they feared for his safety because of where they put him :shrug:

However if a person chooses to take a dangerous concoction of drugs and alcohol then they put their own life in danger…and sadly he paid the price. He had the money to get himself the best care and treatment unlike many that rely on the NHS that struggle to cope…it cost 18k for a month in therapy.

As for drug dealers…they deserve all they get.

[rusticgal]

He'd still be alive if it weren't for those people.



He would be alive today if he had not voluntarily taken drugs and alcohol in the first place…

[Kate!]

Possibly but he’d also still be alive if he had chosen not to take drugs.

Yes? But they egged him on. He was weak and foolish. That's where I feel empathy and sorry for him. I've never taken drugs in my life but I do have an addiction and I know have hard it is to have temptation pushed upon you. Long story short I had a so called friend who kept encouraging me to Gamble and giving me money (to be paid back) to enable me. Thrn they turned on me. I learned a lesson there.

[Kate!]

He would be alive today if he had not voluntarily taken drugs and alcohol in the first place…

He was mentally ill.

[Benjamin]

Yes? But they egged him on. He was weak and foolish. That's where I feel empathy and sorry for him. I've never taken drugs in my life but I do have an addiction and I know have hard it is to have temptation pushed upon you. Long story short I had a so called friend who kept encouraging me to Gamble and giving me money (to be paid back) to enable me. Thrn they turned on me. I learned a lesson there.

How do you know they egged him on? You don’t. You’re speculating that’s what happened.

[Kate!]

How do you know they egged him on? You don’t. You’re speculating that’s what happened.

Its what I believe. They smuggled it into his room fgs.

[Benjamin]

Its what I believe.

So you’re speculating, like the rest of us.

[Kate!]

So you’re speculating, like the rest of us.

Edited my post.

[Benjamin]

Edited my post.

But you’re still speculating.

[Kate!]

But you’re still speculating.

No, that was reported. It was found in a box.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He was mentally ill.

No he wasnt

[Benjamin]

No, that was reported. It was found in a box.

Yes, but egging him on is speculation. You don’t know they did. Drugs in a box means nothing, it’s where most people keep drugs in some form of box or bag.

[Kate!]

No he wasnt

Yes. He was. He was very open about the fact.

[Kate!]

Yes, but egging him on is speculation. You don’t know they did.

They smuggled it in for him? That's encouragement.

[Kate!]

I'm really wasting my breath in here.

[Benjamin]

They smuggled it in for him? That's encouragement.

Smuggled it in for him. So he had sought it out himself and they brought it to him. Doesn’t sound like egging him on to me.

[Kate!]

Smuggled it in for him. So he had sought it out himself and they brought it to him. Doesn’t sound like egging him on to me.

Wot? They facilitated him being able to take it. Still not saying he wasn't a fool for doing so. He may have got it elsewhere who knows. The fact remains that they did supply him. Irresponsible at best when dealing with an addict.

I'm doing a Thomas I think. It's a waste of time in here, repeating myself. He shouldn't have been confined in that room in the state he was in. Grossly irresponsible by the staff.

[Benjamin]

Wot? They facilitated him being able to take it. Still not saying he wasn't a fool for doing so. He may have got it elsewhere who knows. The fact remains that they did supply him. Irresponsible at best when dealing with an addict.

I'm doing a Thomas I think. It's a waste of time in here, repeating myself. He shouldn't have been confined in that room in the state he was in. Grossly irresponsible by the staff.

If you feel you’re wasting your time, then yes you probably are done in here. My opinion on this matter will be different from yours, and that’s fine for us to have different opinions, and share them as is the purpose of this sub forum.

[Kate!]

If you feel you’re wasting your time, then yes you probably are done in here. My opinion on this matter will be different from yours, and that’s fine for us to have different opinions, and share them as is the purpose of this sub forum.

Thank you. Yes I'm done. We just don't agree and are talking round in circles. It's tiring. Not you, you're not tiring. I just know when I'm done.

[rusticgal]

Yes? But they egged him on..


No one egged him on…

[Kate!]

No one egged him on…

Oh you were there? I said in my opinion they encouraged him by supplying the drugs. That's egging on.

Anyway as I said I'm outta here. Disappointed by the lack of empathy for a mentally ill man.

[rusticgal]

He was mentally ill.


Yes he was…that’s the tragedy of it. However like I said he was fortunate enough to have enough money to get the best help…he had family and friends…but it wasn’t enough.

[rusticgal]

Oh you were there? I said in my opinion they encouraged him by supplying the drugs. That's egging on.

Anyway as I said I'm outta here. Disappointed by the lack of empathy for a mentally ill man.


I’m dealing with mental health with my own son….so don’t tell me I lack empathy or show me where I have.

[Benjamin]

Oh you were there? I said in my opinion they encouraged him by supplying the drugs. That's egging on.

Anyway as I said I'm outta here. Disappointed by the lack of empathy for a mentally ill man.

Probably best to stay out of here going forward then as you’ll continued to be disappointed in your incorrect judgement on us.

[Niamh.]

Not to sound cynical but people seems to be more sympathetic to him because he was young and good looking, like i couldn't imagine people having the same level of sympathy for someone like Blake Fielder or Pete Doherty

[UserSince2005]

His girlfriend left him for three days and he cheated on her with like 5+ people in that time. Let’s not make out he was a saint

[UserSince2005]

I have a feeling this might be someone on here?

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[AnnieK]

Drug dealers only bring drugs in for paying customers. No-one egged him on....drug dealing is supply and demand. He was addicted....but his own actions led to that addiction. It's very sad...I've seen friends lost to their addictions but to blame others is excusing what led to the addiction in the first place and that is someone making a conscious decision to start taking drugs.

[thesheriff443]

Not to sound cynical but people seems to be more sympathetic to him because he was young and good looking, like i couldn't imagine people having the same level of sympathy for someone like Blake Fielder or Pete Doherty

I think people have a level of human kindness in most cases

No one sets out to destroy themselves and their relationships with others

They try it they get hooked and the drugs take them over

[thesheriff443]

Drug dealers only bring drugs in for paying customers. No-one egged him on....drug dealing is supply and demand. He was addicted....but his own actions led to that addiction. It's very sad...I've seen friends lost to their addictions but to blame others is excusing what led to the addiction in the first place and that is someone making a conscious decision to start taking drugs.

Selling drugs is illegal so there has to be punishment
You would feel differently if your son had a habit and a dealer was coming round to sell him drugs

[AnnieK]

Selling drugs is illegal so there has to be punishment
You would feel differently if your son had a habit and a dealer was coming round to sell him drugs

You can't bring these things to a personal level though......I would kill anyone who laid a finger on my kid....that would be illegal too...understandable maybe but still illegal.

I am not saying that drug dealing doesn't deserve any punishment, that's ridiculous to try and suggest otherwise

None of that changes the fact that Liam was demanding drugs. If he didn't ask for them....he wouldn't have been supplied. It's that simple.

Blame whoever you want.....the other guests in that hotel were not forced to take to drugs so him being clean is bollocks.

[Niamh.]

I think people have a level of human kindness in most cases



No one sets out to destroy themselves and their relationships with others



They try it they get hooked and the drugs take them overYou haven't read the point I was making properly

[thesheriff443]

You can't bring these things to a personal level though......I would kill anyone who laid a finger on my kid....that would be illegal too...understandable maybe but still illegal.

I am not saying that drug dealing doesn't deserve any punishment, that's ridiculous to try and suggest otherwise

None of that changes the fact that Liam was demanding drugs. If he didn't ask for them....he wouldn't have been supplied. It's that simple.

Blame whoever you want.....the other guests in that hotel were not forced to take to drugs so him being clean is bollocks.

When it’s family it’s different when it’s a stranger you don’t care really
That’s the point I’m making

People also stupid things but he can’t pull drugs out of his arse in a foreign country
It’s easy to say the drug user is responsible and they are but they are the victim the drug dealers are as good as murderers

[thesheriff443]

You haven't read the point I was making properly

I would have a level of sympathy for all drug users because ultimately their life is destroyed and it destroys every relationship they have had

[AnnieK]

When it’s family it’s different when it’s a stranger you don’t care really
That’s the point I’m making

People also stupid things but he can’t pull drugs out of his arse in a foreign country
It’s easy to say the drug user is responsible and they are but they are the victim the drug dealers are as good as murderers

I agree that when it's family emotions play a part but as none of us are related to Liam...I don't quite get your point.

It's not easy to say the drug user is responsible....its the bloody truth. I used to be party of the the party drug scene.....I actually know what I'm talking about, i have experienced recreational drug use amd how ut can spiral. Without users there would be no dealers.

Drug dealers are scum I completely agree.....but it's very rare for anyone to be forced to take drugs....particularly in the case of people like Liam.

Excusing users is dangerous. People are responsible for their own lives and need to take accountability for that without blaming everyone else

[AnnieK]

When it’s family it’s different when it’s a stranger you don’t care really
That’s the point I’m making

People also stupid things but he can’t pull drugs out of his arse in a foreign country
It’s easy to say the drug user is responsible and they are but they are the victim the drug dealers are as good as murderers
Of course he can....he has money he could buy anything he wanted.....she he doesn't cook crack in this country but he could get it of he wanted. Any Brit user abroad can get whatever they want if they are willing to pay for it

[thesheriff443]

Of course he can....he has money he could buy anything he wanted.....she he doesn't cook crack in this country but he could get it of he wanted. Any Brit user abroad can get whatever they want if they are willing to pay for it

I know that but if people were not willing to sell him drugs he wouldn’t be able to get his hands on them

Drug dealers all should get long prison sentences

[Vanessa]

The fact that 5 people have been charged says a lot. These people are guilty.
Yes he chose his path, but I believe this death could have been prevented.

[arista]

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[Ammi]

…I think for me with Liam Payne’s death is that it was a ‘sudden and violent’ death, which is always a huge shock factor, obviously….its more layered than his body failing with substance abuse and so it’s led for that added thing of ‘culpability and accountability’ to be looked at because he obviously wasn’t in a position/place of safety and had anyone caring for him ….but it wasn’t a place of medical care either, so it’s not something that the hotel staff could have foreseen with it all leading to what it did and they have a duty of care to their staff as well in keeping them safe if he was acting aggressively or dangerously etc…it just doesn’t feel very clear to determine these things for me because we just don’t know what led up to it all in terms of behaviour etc and so much to consider…it’s all very sad and tragic…

…substance abuse, though…obviously played a factor in awareness that can’t be dismissed either and those life/destructive choices that he made himself…Many of us have personal knowledge of substance addiction and it’s not that empathy isn’t there, I think it’s more that sadly that person becomes the addiction and it can then be no longer the person who you’re communicating either or trying to reach…it’s the addiction that you’re dealing with because the person has already been taken from you by that addiction….it really isn’t a black and white thing and the layers with Liam’s death have added complications also…

[Glenn.]

Drug dealers only bring drugs in for paying customers. No-one egged him on....drug dealing is supply and demand. He was addicted....but his own actions led to that addiction. It's very sad...I've seen friends lost to their addictions but to blame others is excusing what led to the addiction in the first place and that is someone making a conscious decision to start taking drugs.

:clap1:

[Dogeatdog]

Drug dealers only bring drugs in for paying customers. No-one egged him on....drug dealing is supply and demand. He was addicted....but his own actions led to that addiction. It's very sad...I've seen friends lost to their addictions but to blame others is excusing what led to the addiction in the first place and that is someone making a conscious decision to start taking drugs.

Summed it up there pretty well I think Annie.

[thesheriff443]

It’s pure hypocrisy
If it’s a loved one that’s being dealt drugs then the dealer needs to be held responsible and dealt with

If it’s a stranger that’s being dealt drugs its the addict’s fault for taking drugs and you cant blame the dealer

[Glenn.]

Who has said that?

[bots]

I don't know enough about Payne's individual circumstances, but is it not really similar to Mathew Perry and Michael Jackson. Once you are on the list of a criminal dealer, if you are rich, your are going to be persistently targeted and exploited until they have sucked you dry. While they will do it to the less wealthy too, there is much more cash to be had from a multi millionaire

[AnnieK]

It’s pure hypocrisy
If it’s a loved one that’s being dealt drugs then the dealer needs to be held responsible and dealt with

If it’s a stranger that’s being dealt drugs its the addict’s fault for taking drugs and you cant blame the dealer

You are simplifying and personalising it far too much whilst making a whole lot of assumptions there Sheriff.

As you brought MY son into this in a earlier post, I will use him as an example.

If he started taking drugs and then became an addict I would be devastated. I would blame myself and him first. I wouldn't blame the dealer for getting him addicted, that's on him for trying it and me for dropping the ball as a parent. I would despise the dealers for supplying him but I wouldn't blame them per se. Take out 1 dealer and there are a million others waiting to take their place. Addicts get proper treatment and get clean....there is no need for the dealer then.

I feel for Liams family....he wasn't a bad person. He went down a bad road which there for the grace of God I personally could have fell down when I was a lot younger. But the simple fact is his initial actions led to this.

If a smack head goes out and robs a house to feed their addiction, it's them who committed the crime.

[thesheriff443]

You are simplifying and personalising it far too much whilst making a whole lot of assumptions there Sheriff.

As you brought MY son into this in a earlier post, I will use him as an example.

If he started taking drugs and then became an addict I would be devastated. I would blame myself and him first. I wouldn't blame the dealer for getting him addicted, that's on him for trying it and me for dropping the ball as a parent. I would despise the dealers for supplying him but I wouldn't blame them per se. Take out 1 dealer and there are a million others waiting to take their place. Addicts get proper treatment and get clean....there is no need for the dealer then.

I feel for Liams family....he wasn't a bad person. He went down a bad road which there for the grace of God I personally could have fell down when I was a lot younger. But the simple fact is his initial actions led to this.

If a smack head goes out and robs a house to feed their addiction, it's them who committed the crime.

The link between drugs prostitution and crime is universally known and those getting girls hooked on drugs to force them into prostitution

We need to make drug dealers/supplier’s as hated as paedaphiles

[Glenn.]

Why are you talking about prostitution? What has that got to do with it?

Are all prostitutes drug addicts? No

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

A source close to the singer said: "It was normal for Liam to do cocaine, ketamine, MDMA, and pharmaceutical pills (Xanax and pain pills). Then he got into smoking heroin."

He was "seeking out drugs, sexting fans, and hiring sex workers," according to the source

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/liam-payne-heroin-sexted-fans-one-direction-maya-henry/

Holy hell ☹️

[Glenn.]

Top bloke

[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

A source close to the singer said: "It was normal for Liam to do cocaine, ketamine, MDMA, and pharmaceutical pills (Xanax and pain pills). Then he got into smoking heroin."

He was "seeking out drugs, sexting fans, and hiring sex workers," according to the source

https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/liam-payne-heroin-sexted-fans-one-direction-maya-henry/

Holy hell ☹️

He had a lot of problems unfortunately.

For whatever reason the Music industry seemed to play a part in why his life went so neurotic.

[Livia]

Everyone knows the dangers of long-term drug taking. There is only one person responsible for Liam's death. It's sad... but it's no one else's fault.

[Benjamin]

Everyone knows the dangers of long-term drug taking. There is only one person responsible for Liam's death. It's sad... but it's no one else's fault.

Absolutely agree.

[emseateng2014]

wait so 5 people killed him

i thought liam fell off the the balcony when the bar of the fence broke

[Crimson Dynamo]

He cheated on his girlfriend then took drugs and effectively killed himself


Horrible

[Glenn.]

wait so 5 people killed him

i thought liam fell off the the balcony when the bar of the fence broke

HE did. After HE took a cocktail of drugs HE couldn’t handle.

[emseateng2014]

HE did. After HE took a cocktail of drugs HE couldn’t handle.

in the words of the guidence consoler mr mackie from south park

drugs are bad mmkay

[Glenn.]

in the words of the guidence consoler mr mackie from south park

drugs are bad mmkay

They sure are.

[emseateng2014]

They sure are.

imagine a alternate earth where bad drugs were never made

[Zizu]

imagine a alternate earth where bad drugs were never made


I grew up in a time where there just ‘seemed’ to be cannabis and some talk of funny mushrooms .

Life seemed so much easier ( and safer) back in the day before trainers and calculators even existed