‘I’m biologically female’, insists trans NHS doctor

[Crimson Dynamo]

Dr Beth Upton tells employment tribunal that trans women have a right to get
changed in front of female colleagues

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Dr Beth Upton, who was born male and now identifies as a woman, stated in
evidence to an employment tribunal that “I’m biologically female” and said sex
had “no defined or agreed meaning in science”. Said the Doctor.

Dr Upton (6 foot) is at the centre of a landmark case after Sandie Peggie (5
foot 4), a female nurse, claimed she faced harassment as the result of being
forced to share female changing rooms with the A&E doctor.

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Nurse Sandi Peggi

Ms Cunningham said: “You say you’re a trans woman. It follows that you’re
not someone who has a biologically female body?”

Dr Upton replied: “The term biologically female or biologically male is
completely nebulous. It has no defined or agreed meaning in science, as far
as I’m aware. I’m not a robot, so I am biological and my identity is female.
Without wanting to appeal to the dictionary too much, I’m biologically
female.”

Dr Upton had been given permission to use the women’s changing rooms at
Victoria Hospital in Fife by a manager, the tribunal heard, and continued to
use them after noticing in August 2023 that Ms Peggie appeared
uncomfortable with sharing.

On the third occasion on which the pair met in the changing rooms, on
Christmas Eve that year, there was a confrontation provoked by Ms Peggie.
That led to Dr Upton making a formal complaint and the nurse being
suspended from work and investigated for bullying.

The tribunal has previously heard evidence from Ms Peggie about a traumatic
incident when she was 17, when she was sexually assaulted by a doctor who
made an excuse to examine her breasts unnecessarily.

Ms Peggie has said the trauma caused by that incident contributed to her
desire to have access to single-sex spaces at work.

The tribunal continues.

full article here: A transgender NHS doctor who got changed in front of women colleagues has claimed to be a biological female.

Dr Beth Upton, who was born male and now identifies as a woman, stated in evidence to an employment tribunal that “I’m biologically female” and said sex had “no defined or agreed meaning in science”.

Dr Upton is at the centre of a landmark case after Sandie Peggie, a female nurse, claimed she faced harassment as the result of being forced to share female changing rooms with the A&E doctor.

In tense exchanges at the tribunal with Naomi Cunningham, Ms Peggie’s lawyer, the doctor repeated the claim of being female and suggested that colleagues uncomfortable with a trans woman using female-only spaces held “misinformed, biased, unpleasant or bigoted” views.

Ms Cunningham said: “You say you’re a trans woman. It follows that you’re not someone who has a biologically female body?”

Dr Upton replied: “The term biologically female or biologically male is completely nebulous. It has no defined or agreed meaning in science, as far as I’m aware. I’m not a robot, so I am biological and my identity is female. Without wanting to appeal to the dictionary too much, I’m biologically female.”

Dr Upton had been given permission to use the women’s changing rooms at Victoria Hospital in Fife by a manager, the tribunal heard, and continued to use them after noticing in August 2023 that Ms Peggie appeared uncomfortable with sharing.

On the third occasion on which the pair met in the changing rooms, on Christmas Eve that year, there was a confrontation provoked by Ms Peggie. That led to Dr Upton making a formal complaint and the nurse being suspended from work and investigated for bullying.

‘Misinformed views about trans people’
Dr Upton said some colleagues might have felt uncomfortable with women’s facilities being used by a transgender person but that “doesn’t automatically override a trans person’s right to access the changing room that aligns with their gender identity”.

The doctor added: “As a trans person, I’m aware that people hold misinformed, biased, unpleasant, bigoted or transphobic views about trans people. It’s possible I work with some people who hold those views, and they may be unhappy.

“Those people may be opposed to the inclusion of trans people. Why they might be uncomfortable with me is up to them. I would disagree that I am male. I would disagree that my presence is an invasion of their privacy or their space, but I can’t speak for how they feel.”

Ms Cunningham questioned Dr Upton about how a female would be defined, asking about a hypothetical large-bearded character called “Pete” who appeared to be male in all respects but asserted that they were a “gender non-conforming woman”.

The lawyer asked if Dr Upton believed “Pete” would have the right to use a women’s changing room.

Dr Upton did not give a direct answer, saying the example was “frankly unbelievable”, and adding: “As someone who lives in a transphobic society, I accept there are unfortunately and sadly prejudices, a lack of willingness to explore variety and the spectrum that is gender and gender expression.

“Society is not yet at the stage where it understands gender in a more general, more messy way. What all trans people want is to be treated with respect, dignity, and [to] be safe.

“If Pete is a gender non-conforming woman, she may wish to use the women’s changing room. She may feel unable to, she may feel open to discussions with her workplace about whether or not that’s appropriate.”

‘Not demanding anything other than basic respect’
Ms Cunningham went on to compare Dr Upton to the torturer in George Orwell’s novel 1984, who forces the protagonist, Winston Smith, to state that he can see five fingers when in reality he is holding up four.

“The ultimate submission and humiliation demanded of Winston is that he affirmed something that both he and his torturer know to be false,” the lawyer, who referred to Dr Upton using male pronouns, said.

“I want to suggest to you that your demand of Sandie was of the same sort. You were demanding that she should submit to you by pretending you’re a woman, even though you both know that’s false.”

Jane Russell, representing Dr Upton and NHS Fife, objected before Dr Upton could answer. “Is my opponent really comparing Dr Upton to the torturer in 1984?” she asked. “That’s worse than what the claimant did, which is comparing her to a convicted rapist. I object.”

In her evidence, Ms Peggie has admitted raising the case with Dr Upton of Isla Bryson, the transgender rapist who was initially placed in a woman’s jail. However, she claimed she had been trying to make a general point about males in women’s spaces, rather than implying that Dr Upton was a rapist.

Following Ms Russell’s objection, Ms Cunningham rephrased her question to remove the reference to the torturer in 1984.

Dr Upton replied: “I’m not demanding anything of her other than basic respect. I’m certainly not asking anyone at work to submit to me in any capacity. I’m simply asking that she respects who I am.”

‘Nebulous dog whistle’
The doctor went on to claim that the term biological sex “doesn’t really mean anything” as it was impossible to “accurately or usefully define” what it meant.

“We would have to explore all the different things that make up one’s sex,” Dr Upton added, saying this could encompass “endocrine sex”, “primary and secondary sexual characteristics”, “reproductive sex”, “societal, cultural and assumed sex” and other factors.

Dr Upton added: “Not all those things are what you might call concordant with the other. There are very few people who don’t think understanding of some aspect of somebody’s biology is important in some situations. But there is no agreed definition of biological sex. It’s a nebulous dog whistle.”

The tribunal heard that Dr Upton, 28, is 6ft tall, while Ms Peggie, 50, is 5ft 4in.

Ms Cunningham said the disparity raised doubts over claims, raised earlier in proceedings, that Ms Peggie had “cornered” Dr Upton in the changing rooms on Christmas Eve, but Dr Upton said: “I don’t think a feeling of being cornered is purely based upon physical attributes.”

The doctor denied attempting to “assert dominance” over Ms Peggie during the incident and claimed to have been trying to “de-escalate” the situation, while being faced with transphobic harassment.

‘A very tricky situation’
The tribunal has previously heard evidence from Ms Peggie about a traumatic incident when she was 17, when she was sexually assaulted by a doctor who made an excuse to examine her breasts unnecessarily.

Ms Peggie has said the trauma caused by that incident contributed to her desire to have access to single-sex spaces at work.

Dr Upton expressed sympathy with Ms Peggie but did not agree that women who had experienced sexual trauma should have access to single-sex changing facilities that exclude trans women.

“Trans women are not males, so she would be asking specifically for trans women to be excluded from that space,” said Dr Upton. “It’s a very tricky situation... I do not think somebody’s trauma justifies them behaving in an unpleasant and disrespectful manner to their colleagues.

“We should be doing as much as is reasonably possible to make accomodation for safety. But I don’t think you can use that to put restrictions on other people who have a right to access that space.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/10/im-biologically-female-insists-trans-nhs-doctor-born-male/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Good point from the Glasgow Herald today..

What better way to side-track the liberal left from their main goal of relieving
poverty and opposing capitalism than by promoting an imaginary dogma of
oppression? There’s a reason why corporate power and public sector influence
has swung behind the campaign for trans rights. If you can convince sincere
and well-motivated people that this is the moral crusade that defines the age
then you can be left relatively undisturbed to amass your profits.


And what better way of doing this than by conjuring up an ethereal and
contrived suite of slogan and declarations: trans rights are human rights; love
is love?

[Beso]

What a selfish creep if a man.

[Oliver_W]

I'm not sure I'd want to be treated by someone who doesn't understand biology...

[user104658]

This is a political hot-potato of a case and also a bit of smoke and mirrors; I actually sympathise with both of the supposed "sides" here because I don't think they are the actual sides - the dispute isn't or shouldn't actually be between the two staff members - the tribunal is about policy.

In short - the issue and the fault lies with the policy or management that allowed the situation to arise and didn't adequately rectify it - probably on ideological grounds. So you can't take ideology entirely out of the equation - but - the issue (legally) is not with the doctor for doing something that was allowed within policy, and not with the staff member who took issue with the policy either.

That is also the facts of the case if you look into it by the way; the court dispute is between the affected nurse and the NHS service provider, not directly between the two parties. But that's not juicy news/political debate in the same way.

The pictures the media are using of the doctor are also misleading as they suggest it's a full bearded bloke presenting as a bloke but "identifying as female" using the changing facilities. They're actually using old photographs and the staff member in question does now (and did at the time of the complaint) "present as female". I'm not saying that particularly matters interms of whether or not other people should be comfortable with it. I do as always fully stand by the idea that women should have safe female-only facilities available. But nonetheless it's worth pointing out when the media is deliberately skewing something, even if only slightly.

This has become a football though, the facts and specifics of this individual case are going to be completely buried under the online discourse around the "issue in general".

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is a political hot-potato of a case and also a bit of smoke and mirrors; I actually sympathise with both of the supposed "sides" here because I don't think they are the actual sides - the dispute isn't or shouldn't actually be between the two staff members - the tribunal is about policy.

In short - the issue and the fault lies with the policy or management that allowed the situation to arise and didn't adequately rectify it - probably on ideological grounds. So you can't take ideology entirely out of the equation - but - the issue (legally) is not with the doctor for doing something that was allowed within policy, and not with the staff member who took issue with the policy either.

That is also the facts of the case if you look into it by the way; the court dispute is between the affected nurse and the NHS service provider, not directly between the two parties. But that's not juicy news/political debate in the same way.

The pictures the media are using of the doctor are also misleading as they suggest it's a full bearded bloke presenting as a bloke but "identifying as female" using the changing facilities. They're actually using old photographs and the staff member in question does now (and did at the time of the complaint) "present as female". I'm not saying that particularly matters interms of whether or not other people should be comfortable with it. I do as always fully stand by the idea that women should have safe female-only facilities available. But nonetheless it's worth pointing out when the media is deliberately skewing something, even if only slightly.

This has become a football though, the facts and specifics of this individual case are going to be completely buried under the online discourse around the "issue in general".

Do you think the doctor in question believes he is biologically female ?

[user104658]

Do you think the doctor in question believes he is biologically female ?

People believe all sorts of things so possibly - my suspicion would be probably not in a literal sense ("stonewall stance" resulting in toeing the line) but whether they do or don't is irrelevant in what's actually going on here - the doctor isn't directly involved at all, this isn't a fitness to practice medicine question, the dispute is between the nurse and the employer regarding the changing facilities policy.

[Niamh.]

Making a statement like "I'm biologically female" can only help people realise how far and how ridiculous this stuff has gone - on the plus side. Such a shame for the actual female staff having to put up with this crap though, nursing is a difficult enough job as it is without having to face this stuff every time you go to work as well

[arista]

Making a statement like "I'm biologically female" can only help people realise how far and how ridiculous this stuff has gone - on the plus side. Such a shame for the actual female staff having to put up with this crap though, nursing is a difficult enough job as it is without having to face this stuff every time you go to work as well


Yes
it is wrong

[Livia]

Making a statement like "I'm biologically female" can only help people realise how far and how ridiculous this stuff has gone - on the plus side. Such a shame for the actual female staff having to put up with this crap though, nursing is a difficult enough job as it is without having to face this stuff every time you go to work as well

Everything I was going to say.

[Cherie]

Making a statement like "I'm biologically female" can only help people realise how far and how ridiculous this stuff has gone - on the plus side. Such a shame for the actual female staff having to put up with this crap though, nursing is a difficult enough job as it is without having to face this stuff every time you go to work as well

yep and of course it was the female nurse who was suspended let the transwoman used disabled toilets to change, that is what they want women to do

[UserSince2005]

Gorgeous girlie, some people are just jealous that she is stunning and they could never compare.

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[bots]

i think it's borne from the generation that believe alternative facts when the absolute truth is a known certainty. It's enabled all this subsequent bs.

If i was the health board, i would be striking off the doctor for that viewpoint though

[Niamh.]

i think it's borne from the generation that believe alternative facts when the absolute truth is a known certainty. It's enabled all this subsequent bs.

If i was the health board, i would be striking off the doctor for that viewpoint though

Yeah, if I'm going to see a Doctor I'm not trusting them to treat me if they don't know what biologically male and female bodies are

[user104658]

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They're allowing semantics by not phrasing the question specifically enough which opens the door to "political answers".

This person is a doctor; they should ask them about a clinical setting; e.g. if they were to be treated for a specific medical condition, should they be clinically assessed as having female internal anatomy.

Very difficult for a medical professional to talk their way around that question.

Again, though, the waters are being muddied; the court proceedings are not about the doctor's fitness to practice, they are PURELY about the employment dispute between the nursing staff member and the NHS employer.

Someone could raise fitness to practice concerns about the doctor, but that would be a totally separate process and (crucially) it wouldn't be a public one in courts, their registration would be assessed by the GMC and (tbh) I expect what this individual would be willing to concede in that setting would be very different to what they'll openly say in public. I do understand why. And I genuinely think in this case it's the employer that's made errors (repeatedly) and not actually the fault of either staff member. We're now well into the realms of defensiveness.

[Redway]

I can’t defend this guy.

[GoldHeart]

Society is cooked! .

[user104658]

If i was the health board, i would be striking off the doctor for that viewpoint though

That's not an individual health board decision, medical professionals are registered by the GMC (who would do the striking off at a national level) and a health board can't separately end someone's employment on those grounds without being sued (and they'd be successfully sued for career and reputational damage, which for a doctor could be into seven figures).

[Redway]

They're allowing semantics by not phrasing the question specifically enough which opens the door to "political answers".

This person is a doctor; they should ask them about a clinical setting; e.g. if they were to be treated for a specific medical condition, should they be clinically assessed as having female internal anatomy.

Very difficult for a medical professional to talk their way around that question.

Again, though, the waters are being muddied; the court proceedings are not about the doctor's fitness to practice, they are PURELY about the employment dispute between the nursing staff member and the NHS employer.

Someone could raise fitness to practice concerns about the doctor, but that would be a totally separate process and (crucially) it wouldn't be a public one in courts, their registration would be assessed by the GMC and (tbh) I expect what this individual would be willing to concede in that setting would be very different to what they'll openly say in public. I do understand why. And I genuinely think in this case it's the employer that's made errors (repeatedly) and not actually the fault of either staff member. We're now well into the realms of defensiveness.
The ‘incompetent to practise’ remarks are a little tongue-in-cheek. No-one’s seriously disputing their competence as a doctor. Just that … you’d expect a doctor to be able to, at the very least, know and accept indisputable biology. When all’s said and done, cis. is cis. and trans is trans. I say that as someone who supports trans rights probably more than most people. I still have the sense to draw the buck somewhere.

[Niamh.]

The ‘incompetent to practise’ remarks are a little tongue-in-cheek. No-one’s seriously disputing their competence as a doctor. Just that … you’d expect a doctor to be able to, at the very least, know and accept indisputable biology. When all’s said and done, cis. is cis. and trans is trans. I say that as someone who supports trans rights probably more than most people. I still have the sense to draw the buck somewhere.

This is the problem though how do you draw lines with the mantra "trans women are women"? there has to be a clear distinction and woman already had a clear definition which is now being distorted (really aggressively trying to be distorted) because of that mantra. Transwomen are not women, this is why I don't like the description "cis", by accepting that label you're saying that cis and trans are both types of women and that just isn't true. Transwomen are men who prefer to present as a woman which is fine, no issue with that just don't try to change laws around that to make it a more unsafe and uncomfortable world for women and girls. We rely on clear language so we can have the protections and spaces we need. This case is just proving how a simple gesture like repeating that mantra to "be kind" can snowball and end up eating away at women's rights

[Cherie]

This is the problem though how do you draw lines with the mantra "trans women are women"? there has to be a clear distinction and woman already had a clear definition which is now being distorted (really aggressively trying to be distorted) because of that mantra. Transwomen are not women, this is why I don't like the description "cis", by accepting that label you're saying that cis and trans are both types of women and that just isn't true. Transwomen are men who prefer to present as a woman which is fine, no issue with that just don't try to change laws around that to make it a more unsafe and uncomfortable world for women and girls. We rely on clear language so we can have the protections and spaces we need. This case is just proving how a simple gesture like repeating that mantra to "be kind" can snowball and end up eating away at women's rights

Be Kind only works one way it seems, this transwoman took delight in making a fellow colleague feel uncomfortable and when she complained directly which was the correct thing to do rather than running to HR was accused of bullying and suspended, not too much kindness being shown in this case ....most kind people would take into consideration if they were making about person whether they be male or female uncomfortable, that is a kind act,not what is happening in this case

[Beso]

Another mental case who thinks hes a woman. Section him.

[Crimson Dynamo]

boswelltoday @boswelltoday
Day 10 - Peggie v NHS Fife & Dr Upton - Morning Session

The Walls Close In on NHS Fife

It is becoming increasingly clear that NHS Fife’s defence is built on quicksand, and today’s session only hastened the collapse. Esther Davidson, the latest in a long line of floundering witnesses, spent the morning dodging reality like her career depended on it. Naomi Cunningham, however, was not having it. With her usual forensic precision, she dismantled the ever-shifting justifications for suspending Sandy Peggie, exposing what everyone already knew: this was never about patient safety, bullying, or professionalism. It was about enforcing gender ideology, and punishing anyone who refused to play along.

Davidson, who had no problem stating that Dr Upton "identifies as female", completely refused to acknowledge biological reality. When pressed on whether Dr Upton was a man, she deflected, dodged, and twisted her words beyond recognition. Naomi Cunningham laid it out plainly: "Whatever is in his head, or how he dresses, he is still a man." Davidson’s response? A pathetic, "It is how you say your views." That is the game, right there—pretending that truth is subjective, so long as it keeps the activists happy. It is not about fairness, or safety, or even logic. It is about enforcing a belief system under threat of professional consequences.

The most damning part of the morning was Naomi Cunningham’s exposure of NHS Fife’s Equality, Diversity and Inclusion policies, which gave Dr Upton an absolute right to use the female changing room while leaving Sandy Peggie with no rights at all. Davidson admitted outright: "I was told I could not exclude Beth from the changing room." And there it is. An institutionally imposed fantasy, where self-declared identity trumps every consideration—privacy, dignity, common sense, even basic safeguarding. There was never any attempt to balance rights, never a suggestion that Dr Upton might use a separate space, and certainly no recognition that Peggie had a legitimate right to object.

As Naomi Cunningham took apart NHS Fife’s reasoning for suspending Sandy Peggie, the contradictions piled up. One minute, it was about the changing room. Then suddenly, it was about patient safety. But no evidence was ever presented that Peggie had endangered a patient. The so-called concerns had not even been raised at the time of her initial suspension. It all boiled down to Dr Upton’s perception—a man, in a women’s space, feeling uncomfortable because a woman said what everyone was thinking. And for that, she was suspended.

Naomi Cunningham then turned to the wider impact of NHS Fife’s policies, pointing out the obvious reality that no other staff had raised complaints—not because they had no issue with Dr Upton, but because they knew what would happen if they spoke up. "They are frightened," Naomi Cunningham said bluntly. Davidson refused to acknowledge this, but the tribunal could see what was happening—this was not an atmosphere of openness and inclusion, but one of institutional intimidation. Staff members had witnessed what had happened to Peggie, and had drawn the only logical conclusion—stay quiet or suffer the same fate.

Then came the knockout punch: Naomi Cunningham introduced DARVO—Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender. She laid it out plainly—Sandy Peggie was the victim in this case, and Dr Upton the aggressor, yet the roles had been deliberately reversed. Dr Upton’s presence in the changing room made Peggie uncomfortable, and when she stood her ground, she became the problem. NHS Fife framed Peggie as the troublemaker, the one causing harm, the one in need of punishment. Naomi Cunningham asked Davidson directly if this reversal had happened with the full approval of the NHS Fife board. Davidson denied it, of course—but by this point, her credibility was already in tatters.

Naomi Cunningham then put the real question to Davidson—why had NHS Fife allowed a situation where Peggie, a woman who had already been through trauma, was forced to share a space with a male colleague, and was then punished for saying no? Davidson had no answer. NHS Fife had backed itself into a corner, where admitting the truth would mean conceding that their entire handling of this situation was an outrageous failure. But clinging to the fantasy was becoming harder by the second.

By the end of the session, NHS Fife’s defence lay in ruins, but the real disgrace lies with its board and executive leadership, who have allowed this farce to unfold unchecked. No genuine justification was given for suspending Sandy Peggie, no credible denial of institutional bias, and no willingness to acknowledge the fundamental reality that single-sex spaces exist for a reason. This was never about fairness or inclusion—it was about enforcing a rigid ideological stance at the expense of a female colleague’s dignity and career. And while today’s evidence made it clear that the organisation is completely captured, the bigger question now is this: how much longer will those in leadership pretend that this was ever justifiable?

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[Cherie]

Now now this was never going to happen, women were never going to be disadvantaged by men who think they are women, its all in our heads...and we need to get over it and suck it up and whatever other terms have been used over the years, when it is laid out in the stark vocabularly as above its hard to see how anyone can justify men accessing female spaces

[Maru]

Making a statement like "I'm biologically female" can only help people realise how far and how ridiculous this stuff has gone - on the plus side. Such a shame for the actual female staff having to put up with this crap though, nursing is a difficult enough job as it is without having to face this stuff every time you go to work as well

I think it's what woke up most middle ground here is they didn't really believe the propaganda about how "extreme" the new wave really was... instead you have to see it for yourself, otherwise it's very easy to deny that people could be this insistent.

I would've never had to think about how grateful I would be when I was in a maternity ward for extensive hospitalization that there weren't men there present. I'm not a self-conscious type of person by any means so it's not like that, but I definitely was in a fragile state medically given I had to go on magnesium for postpartum preeclampsia and having women who understood the fragility of that was helpful in a stressful environment... I am not a fan of hospitals, I have learned.

[Niamh.]

I think it's what woke up most middle ground here is they didn't really believe the propaganda about how "extreme" the new wave really was... instead you have to see it for yourself, otherwise it's very easy to deny that people could be this insistent.



I would've never had to think about how grateful I would be when I was in a maternity ward for extensive hospitalization that there weren't men there present. I'm not a self-conscious type of person by any means so it's not like that, but I definitely was in a fragile state medically given I had to go on magnesium for postpartum preeclampsia and having women who understood the fragility of that was helpful in a stressful environment... I am not a fan of hospitals, I have learned. Absolutely.

That must have been a scary time for you. I just can't believe how some people are so unconcerned about women's feelings on these issues and act like we don't really care about them, that it's just an excuse to bash trans people. There are so many instances, just like your own example where women are in very vulnerable positions and really need or would prefer female only care and space

[Cherie]

Absolutely.

That must have been a scary time for you. I just can't believe how some people are so unconcerned about women's feelings on these issues and act like we don't really care about them, that it's just an excuse to bash trans people. There are so many instances, just like your own example where women are in very vulnerable positions and really need or would prefer female only care and space

It's an easy way to dismiss women, its the only explanation, I can't believe people cannot see the issues

[Niamh.]

It's an easy way to dismiss women, its the only explanation, I can't believe people cannot see the issuesYeah, it's very frustrating

[Crimson Dynamo]

Failed and captured NHS allowed transgender doctor to use female facilities on advice of equalities officer

Instead of talking to lawyers, managers consulted human rights lead who said
Dr Beth Upton had a ‘right’ to access single-sex spaces

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/17/nhs-fife-beth-upton-transgender-equalities-minister-advice/

:facepalm:

[Cherie]

Failed and captured NHS allowed transgender doctor to use female facilities on advice of equalities officer

Instead of talking to lawyers, managers consulted human rights lead who said
Dr Beth Upton had a ‘right’ to access single-sex spaces

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/02/17/nhs-fife-beth-upton-transgender-equalities-minister-advice/

:facepalm:

The Telegraph revealed on Monday that Ms Peggie has been called to a conduct meeting on Friday which NHS Fife has warned could lead to her being fired after a 30-year career....and they wonder why they can't get nurses.... way to treat long serving members of staff

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Telegraph revealed on Monday that Ms Peggie has been called to a conduct meeting on Friday which NHS Fife has warned could lead to her being fired after a 30-year career....and they wonder why they can't get nurses.... way to treat long serving members of staff

The NHS is truly broken

[arista]

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[Cherie]

oh wow at records being cleansed....what next fgs

[Niamh.]

oh wow at records being cleansed....what next fgs

That is ludicrous and dangerous. I hope heads are going to roll

[Cherie]

That is ludicrous and dangerous. I hope heads are going to roll

and yet another reason for people to decide to self ID as the opposite sex...but that would never happen right

[Crimson Dynamo]

MEDICAL staff across NHS Scotland are taught sex is an 'evolving topic' as part of a
national training course. Workers are also told that using the wrong pronouns is
'microaggression', and they can choose their own sex based on how they feel – which
the NHS calls 'self-defined sex'.





https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish-daily-mail/20250220/281625311031554

[Livia]

We should be proudof the NHS, we used to be. But I am so ashamed.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Scottish Labour conference rejects motion calling for single-sex spaces based on biology.

[Mystic Mock]

MEDICAL staff across NHS Scotland are taught sex is an 'evolving topic' as part of a
national training course. Workers are also told that using the wrong pronouns is
'microaggression', and they can choose their own sex based on how they feel – which
the NHS calls 'self-defined sex'.





https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish-daily-mail/20250220/281625311031554

I don't care about this in our day to day lives.

But when it comes to Medical Science and Biology, we do need the Doctors to be stating the facts.

[GoldHeart]

I don't care about this in our day to day lives.

But when it comes to Medical Science and Biology, we do need the Doctors to be stating the facts.

The fact that doctors are called ' fat phobic' simply for telling a patient they're medically obese, there's not much hope regarding this gender mess....like I said society is cooked . We keep going further and further away from common sense & science....and it's actually worrying.

[Mystic Mock]

The fact that doctors are called ' fat phobic' simply for telling a patient they're medically obese, there's not much hope regarding this gender mess....like I said society is cooked . We keep going further and further away from common sense & science....and it's actually worrying.

It's definitely dangerous that Medical professionals can't be honest with their patients if they're having severe weight issues.

[user104658]

It's definitely dangerous that Medical professionals can't be honest with their patients if they're having severe weight issues.

That's not the part they need to be honest about though, they only need to be honest if the weight is the cause or a contributor in a specific medical issue.

"Being fat" is not a medical problem. However, someone who is overweight might well have high blood pressure and a doctor should be able to tell them that this is because of their weight. Or they might be having knee/joint issues that are down to weight and diet. High cholesterol, blood sugar issues, etc... Those are weight related health problems.

Ehat can happen though is a doctor taking one look at an overweight person and ASSUMING that their health issue is because of their weight without fully assessing. Which should never be the case.

[Mystic Mock]

That's not the part they need to be honest about though, they only need to be honest if the weight is the cause or a contributor in a specific medical issue.

"Being fat" is not a medical problem. However, someone who is overweight might well have high blood pressure and a doctor should be able to tell them that this is because of their weight. Or they might be having knee/joint issues that are down to weight and diet. High cholesterol, blood sugar issues, etc... Those are weight related health problems.

Ehat can happen though is a doctor taking one look at an overweight person and ASSUMING that their health issue is because of their weight without fully assessing. Which should never be the case.

I do agree with you on this tbf.

Because obviously the Doctors shouldn't be presumptuous either.

[GoldHeart]

That's not the part they need to be honest about though, they only need to be honest if the weight is the cause or a contributor in a specific medical issue.

"Being fat" is not a medical problem. However, someone who is overweight might well have high blood pressure and a doctor should be able to tell them that this is because of their weight. Or they might be having knee/joint issues that are down to weight and diet. High cholesterol, blood sugar issues, etc... Those are weight related health problems.

Ehat can happen though is a doctor taking one look at an overweight person and ASSUMING that their health issue is because of their weight without fully assessing. Which should never be the case.

QB I'm not talking about doctors making " assumptions", there's obese people... especially in the ' body positivity ' movement,who have been diagnosed with health issues...but if you tried telling them that , they'd be offended or sooner shut you down.

And they don't like a doctor being honest with them , despite a doctor running tests and finding out they have high cholesterol ,high blood pressure ,and increased risk of diabetes. In fact some of them are already diabetic.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This sign was posted outside the bathroom at a rec center in Australia. Yes, this is real.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GkqmzPUXkAIMoE1?format=jpg&name=360x360

[Crimson Dynamo]

An NHS board gave a transgender doctor access to a female changing room
without consulting regulators about laws that protect women’s safe spaces at
work, The Telegraph can reveal.

The Health and Safety Executive (HSE) confirmed it had held no discussions
with NHS Fife about the regulations that require employers to provide separate
sex changing facilities.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/17/nhs-trust-trans-doctor-single-sex-changing-room-regulator/


top comment:

"Basically, some bloke has decided he wants to intrude in the women's
changing rooms for.his own personal satisfaction, and NHS Fife have
responded by telling their nurses that stripping for whatever random man
walks into their space is a requirement of the job. Outrageous abuse from an
employer, especially one whose business is basically human biology."

[Redway]

That's not the part they need to be honest about though, they only need to be honest if the weight is the cause or a contributor in a specific medical issue.

"Being fat" is not a medical problem. However, someone who is overweight might well have high blood pressure and a doctor should be able to tell them that this is because of their weight. Or they might be having knee/joint issues that are down to weight and diet. High cholesterol, blood sugar issues, etc... Those are weight related health problems.

Ehat can happen though is a doctor taking one look at an overweight person and ASSUMING that their health issue is because of their weight without fully assessing. Which should never be the case.
I mean, obesity is literally in the DSM.

[user104658]

I mean, obesity is literally in the DSM.

I stand by what I said; someone who is overweight doesn't "not know" that they're overweight, and certainly someone who is obese (as you say obesity is a diagnosis - which is not the same as overweight) knows that their weight is "not healthy". The only reason a doctor needs to mention it, is to tell them that it's affecting their health in a specific way (e.g. diabetes, their joints, heart, high blood pressure, fatty organs) or to make sure that they're aware that it puts them at higher risk of those things.

[Redway]

I stand by what I said; someone who is overweight doesn't "not know" that they're overweight, and certainly someone who is obese (as you say obesity is a diagnosis - which is not the same as overweight) knows that their weight is "not healthy". The only reason a doctor needs to mention it, is to tell them that it's affecting their health in a specific way (e.g. diabetes, their joints, heart, high blood pressure, fatty organs) or to make sure that they're aware that it puts them at higher risk of those things.

It’s a catch-22 situation when someone needs the medication to control their symptoms of some health problem or other but the medication makes them gain too much weight, which isn’t ideal if they’re already overweight or st least close to it. Sometimes it’s more the inverse of what you’re talking about and it’s having those conditions in the first place that put them at higher risk of being overweight, because medication can cause that side-effect.

[Mystic Mock]

This sign was posted outside the bathroom at a rec center in Australia. Yes, this is real.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GkqmzPUXkAIMoE1?format=jpg&name=360x360

Conor McGregor's making a flight to Australia as we speak.:joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GouI7cIWUAA7Op1?format=jpg&name=900x900

[Beso]

What toilet do non binary people use?

[Zizu]

What toilet do non binary people use?


Same as Amazon Prime drivers ?

[emoji3]

[Cherie]

Its not about bathrooms

[Beso]

Its not about bathrooms

I still wanna know.:shrug:

[Cherie]

I still wanna know.:shrug:

The law states that there are two sexes, male and female, non binary does not exist

[Beso]

The law states that there are two sexes, male and female, non binary does not exist

There's gonna be a lot of disgruntled ***** happening in the years to come.:shocked:

[user104658]

The law states that there are two sexes, male and female, non binary does not exist

It doesn't exist for legal purposes which is not the same thing as it not existing in concept; people can still have a gender identity that differs from their biological sex if that's how they choose to live, they just won't be able to claim it as their sex for legal purposes.

In terms of bathrooms I think it's going to get very complicated, in a way that it wasn't 10 years ago, and really never had to be.

[Beso]

It doesn't exist for legal purposes which is not the same thing as it not existing in concept; people can still have a gender identity that differs from their biological sex if that's how they choose to live, they just won't be able to claim it as their sex for legal purposes.

In terms of bathrooms I think it's going to get very complicated, in a way that it wasn't 10 years ago, and really never had to be.




This is where it all starts to untangle. People will feel they have new powers. **** will go down, so to speak!

I'm feeling empathy I never knew I had today.

[Cherie]

This is where it all starts to untangle. People will feel they have new powers. **** will go down, so to speak!

I'm feeling empathy I never knew I had today.

What people, you mean women? ....what **** will go down in your opinion? what new powers do woman have that they have not had since the 70s i.e the right to have women only spaces ....

Can I also say this issue has been caused by MEN ....as per

[Cherie]

It doesn't exist for legal purposes which is not the same thing as it not existing in concept; people can still have a gender identity that differs from their biological sex if that's how they choose to live, they just won't be able to claim it as their sex for legal purposes.

In terms of bathrooms I think it's going to get very complicated, in a way that it wasn't 10 years ago, and really never had to be.

Its not complicated at all... just use a bit of common sense, also my point was for legal purposes, if people want to present as an aeroplane nobody can stop them, it just wont be recognised in law

[caprimint]

How is he a doctor and not in the mental asylum

[Beso]

What people, you mean women? ....what **** will go down in your opinion? what new powers do woman have that they have not had since the 70s i.e the right to have women only spaces ....

Can I also say this issue has been caused by MEN ....as per



I reckon MEN will feel like they have new powers if a man dressed as a woman is sharing their toilets. I pity any9ne brave enough to go on a night out in the pubs up and down the country cause the abuse they will get now in the toilets will be shamefull.

[Zizu]

I reckon MEN will feel like they have new powers if a man dressed as a woman is sharing their toilets. I pity any9ne brave enough to go on a night out in the pubs up and down the country cause the abuse they will get now in the toilets will be shamefull.


Are these Guardian Angels still around ??

If so maybe they or some group like them could patrol the public toilets and surrounding areas ?https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250418/24a7e7cfbd2f49b06d615f5f80daa10a.jpg
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250418/0cfdd4687317d242165120994703b890.jpg

[Cherie]

I reckon MEN will feel like they have new powers if a man dressed as a woman is sharing their toilets. I pity any9ne brave enough to go on a night out in the pubs up and down the country cause the abuse they will get now in the toilets will be shamefull.

Parmy you know this will not happen, for a start gender neutral toilets will gradually be made available and if they are not the disabled facilities are there, no self respecting transwoman would use the MENs yuk :yuk: In time there will be no Urinals and that is not a bad think stinky horrible places

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GtuovDhWwAEDBbU?format=jpg&name=small

An absolute joy to meet my constituent - and my hero - Sandie Peggie at ⁦
scotParl
⁩ today. Cannot admire this brave woman enough, & determined to do all I can to stand up for her and others’ rights ⁦
@nhsfife
⁩ ⁦
SexMattersOrg



Murdo Fraser Conservative MSP
@murdo_fraser

[Crimson Dynamo]

Both John Swinney and Kate Forbes (SNP) snubbed the chance to meet with
Sandie Peggie on Wednesday as the nurse attended Holyrood.

https://i2-prod.dailyrecord.co.uk/incoming/article35414343.ece/ALTERNATES/s810/0_01JY1KME2Q582VCBDW7923ZRJZ.jpg

Sandie Peggie stood up for women’s rights & lost her job. This week she walked into Holyrood—John Swinney & Kate Forbes ran the other way.

Too spineless to face a nurse punished for saying no to men in female spaces.

Utter contempt for women.

[Alf]

Blue pills, Acid tabs and Mary Joanna have a lot to answer for.

[Livia]

Parmy you know this will not happen, for a start gender neutral toilets will gradually be made available and if they are not the disabled facilities are there, no self respecting transwoman would use the MENs yuk :yuk: In time there will be no Urinals and that is not a bad think stinky horrible places

Transwomen told to use the disabled toilets if we were worried. What's wrong with them doing that? Unless that advice was spurious in the first place.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Why is the NHS spending hundreds of thousands of pounds attacking women?

The woke gender cult’s witch hunt of nurse Sandie Peggie is a taxpayer-funded
farce

https://www.thetimes.com/imageserver/image/%2F5d847e57-7363-4701-9cd2-1bd3886d257e.jpg?crop=3114%2C1752%2C622%2C613&resize=700

On Wednesday, the Sandie Peggie tribunal resumes. This is the case of the nurse who said no.

Peggie, a nurse with three decades of experience at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy, found herself having to share a changing room with a biological male: the transgender doctor Beth Upton.

She had gone into a hospital changing room after experiencing heavy menstrual bleeding, saw Upton there, and felt so uncomfortable that she spoke up. Exactly what Peggie said is disputed, but it’s claimed she told Upton that “a man couldn’t be in the changing room”.

This happened in December 2023. Upton had begun transitioning in 2022 but claimed to be both “distressed” and “afraid”. If you’ve ever been physically assaulted or intimidated, you’ll know what it’s like to truly feel that way. But Peggie is small – and Upton is certainly not.

Nonetheless, Peggie was suspended by her managers and faced a disciplinary hearing. Somehow, in these cases, it’s always the woman who says no who ends up being portrayed as threatening and bullying. The gender cult demands unquestioning acceptance of the idea that trans people are always victims.

After some months, Peggie was allowed to return to work, but only with restrictions. NHS Fife refused to guarantee that the changing room would be reserved for biological women.

In May 2024, Peggie decided to take her case to an employment tribunal, claiming she had been subjected to sexual harassment, belief discrimination and victimisation by both NHS Fife and Dr Upton.

NHS Fife wanted to keep this quiet. Understandably. They sought to keep Upton anonymous and have the upcoming hearing held in private. Neither of these things happened, which is just as well, because what’s being exposed is a muddle of mismanagement and deep stupidity.

The board of NHS Fife also did not want to disclose how much this has all cost, but they have been forced to: £220,000 up until the adjournment in February. Another 11 days of hearings could push costs up towards £1 million. The taxpayer, remember, is paying for both Upton’s and NHS Fife’s defence.

The board itself is now under scrutiny: even an SNP politician, Carol Potter, is breaking ranks on the gender dogma and saying heads should roll. Lest we forget, the SNP was the party whose (unsuccessful) fight with the campaign group For Women Scotland led to the landmark Supreme Court ruling that “sex” as defined in the Equality Act means “sex at birth”.

This is the level of madness we have reached – where individual women take on public bodies that seem to have no conception of women’s rights. A nurse wanting to change in a single-sex space is something most people would see as reasonable, not because they are “transphobic,” but because, until recently, there was some respect for female privacy.

At the heart of this case is a story about class and male entitlement, albeit dressed up in medical garb. Peggie is upending the medical hierarchy as a nurse standing up to a doctor. She is doing so in a place where trans mania peaked under Nicola Sturgeon. Trans mania dictated that she should, as women are always told to do, simply put up with it.

Whenever women have said there is sometimes a conflict between trans rights and women’s rights, many in power have repeatedly told us this is not the case.

We have been patronised with the phrase “rights are not a pie” – ie, rights are not a finite resource, and that adding rights to one group doesn’t mean taking away from another. Yet sometimes rights are a pie, and in terms of physical space this is self-evident.

We can solve these problems by having men’s, women’s and gender-neutral changing rooms. This would actually give someone like Upton a choice of two spaces to change in (men’s and gender neutral), and protect the rights of women to be in a single-sex environment.

A current row over the Ladies’ Pond at Hampstead in London also brings this issue into sharp focus and illustrates how public bodies still believe they can ignore the Supreme Court ruling.

There are three ponds at Hampstead: Men’s, Women’s and Mixed. But men who identify as women have been using the women’s pond. The policy of the City of London Corporation, which runs the bathing spots, is that anyone who thinks they are a woman can use the pool.

Some women don’t care about this, but some do. What is incredible is that this in effect means giving men access to all three ponds. Isn’t two enough?

Now, the campaign group Sex Matters has announced it is making a £50,000 legal claim against the local authority, in light of the Supreme Court ruling.

Currently, we are in a situation where many of our institutions are so immersed in gender ideology that they cannot respond to the actual needs of women. Or, indeed, correctly and swiftly interpret the law.

This immersion, though, was never organic – it did not come from a place of wanting fairness for everyone. If it did, I would support it.

The truth is that it has been imposed from on high as a response to intense lobbying and acquiescence to activist demands.

One can see this particularly in the case of the BBC, whose top brass started taking meetings with Stonewall activists in 2012. Everyone was sold on the idea of trans rights being the new civil rights and a symbol of being cutting edge.

This is how the full-scale abandonment of both women’s rights and any notion of safeguarding has been enacted by supposedly progressive institutions – in the name of some non-specific idea of modernity. It has been appalling.

And where do we end up? With public money being spent to fight a working-class nurse who doesn’t want to get undressed in front of a man? How is this right?

The emperor is naked. We have long known that. Let him parade his nakedness in his own special cubicle. Get out of ours!

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/14/sandie-peggie-tribunal-nhs-trans-row-suzanne-moore/

[Cherie]

and here is another one

Jennifer Melle, from Croydon, was disciplined by Epsom and St Helier University Hospital Trust when she declined to use female pronouns for a convicted paedophile

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/south-london-nurse-legal-action-nhs-transgender-row-b1218290.html

[Mystic Mock]

and here is another one

Jennifer Melle, from Croydon, was disciplined by Epsom and St Helier University Hospital Trust when she declined to use female pronouns for a convicted paedophile

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/south-london-nurse-legal-action-nhs-transgender-row-b1218290.html

I've got to be honest here.

Well done Jennifer, Paedophiles deserve no respect.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sandie Peggie cleared of gross misconduct allegations

NHS Fife has cleared the nurse at the centre of a high-profile tribunal case of all disciplinary charges.

[Cherie]

Sandie Peggie cleared of gross misconduct allegations

NHS Fife has cleared the nurse at the centre of a high-profile tribunal case of all disciplinary charges.

:clap1: wee Nicky will be fuming

[Crimson Dynamo]

For the alleged crime of "misgendering" a "trans woman" nurse Sandie Peggie
was under investigation for 18 months, made to defend herself to an
employment tribunal, suspended from her work, and accused of gross
misconduct and a "hate incident."

Nurse Peggie had called Dr. "Beth" Upton a man.

When she experienced a sudden heavy period, she went to use the hospital's
female-only changing room and found Dr. Upton there.

She stated that, in her view, he was a man and should not be in the space.

Last night NHSFife cleared her of all charges, putting an end to the year and a half long persecution.

----

Piers Morgan
Piersmorgan

What a disgraceful episode. People will look back on this period in history and
wonder what the ***** we were doing pandering to such woke lunacy.

[Vicky.]

Sandie Peggie cleared of gross misconduct allegations

NHS Fife has cleared the nurse at the centre of a high-profile tribunal case of all disciplinary charges.

Good. ****ing ridiculous case

[Niamh.]

Sandie Peggie cleared of gross misconduct allegations

NHS Fife has cleared the nurse at the centre of a high-profile tribunal case of all disciplinary charges.

Great news. I hope she's compensated

[Crimson Dynamo]

Heads must also roll

[Cherie]

Heads must also roll

Yes

NHS Fife has spent nearly £220,500 defending itself in an employment tribunal case brought by Sandie Peggie, a nurse who complained about sharing a changing room with a transgender doctor.

Funnelling money into the NHS is like throwing it into a black hole, this money could have been spent in so many ways to improve services, but no ...and now I am guessing they will have to compensate Sandra so more good money after bad

[Zizu]

Yes

NHS Fife has spent nearly £220,500 defending itself in an employment tribunal case brought by Sandie Peggie, a nurse who complained about sharing a changing room with a transgender doctor.

Funnelling money into the NHS is like throwing it into a black hole, this money could have been spent in so many ways to improve services, but no ...and now I am guessing they will have to compensate Sandra so more good money after bad


Such a dreadful waste of money

No wonder this country is in such a mess


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Read this..

It beggars belief

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/nhs-fife-equalities-chief-says-35567796

[Cherie]

Read this..

It beggars belief

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/nhs-fife-equalities-chief-says-35567796

I heard about this lady today she advised Beth Upton that the womens changing room could be used with no consultation at all, this woman astonishingly works in HR, the consesus is she will be hung out to dry by her superiors to save their skin

[Zizu]

I can save them the time

It’s a bloke https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250716/441a709bea0226cc7f45df2d7221e516.jpg


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Isla Bumba "Lead Officer Equality and Human Rights" :rolleyes: Fife NHS

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GkLvHwlWIAA1j8N.jpg:medium

Details from the tribunal


she didn't know whether she was a man or a woman

also insisted she wouldn't know whether Dr Beth Upton was male or female either.

She also admitted that there was no engagement with any women before a
decision was made to allow the biological male medic access to the female
facilities

she confirmed that she believed that if someone told her they were trans, she
would believe them, even if they didn't dress differently or present as that
gender.


And she claimed that trans woman (men) are less of a threat to females than men

She described biological guess as "far more complex" and went on: "I don't
know anything about Beth's body - I don't know what my own body is made
of biologically. No one knows what their chromosomes are or the hormonal
composition."

She "hazarded a guess" that she was female and added: "I don’t know my
[chromosomes. No one knows what they are until they are tested."

On identifying a trans person, she said that there wasn't a way to specifically
be trans, but that if someone told her they were trans she would believe
them.

" She added that it would be "incredibly hard for anyone" to tell the
difference between a genuine trans woman and a man pretending to be a
trans woman.

She claimed that isolating Dr Upton and asking him to change in his own
changing room would not "uphold his dignity" and rejected claims that
instead women were denied their dignity by being forced to change with a
biological man.

Ms Bumba concluded by saying that does not think that women's safety,
privacy and dignity were sacrificed in this case and that no women
complained. She was asked by judge Sandy Kemp whether she had seen this
[ changing room in question, and she has not, to which he replied: "'So you
[don't know what we are talking about."



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astounding:shocked:

[Beso]

She added that it would be "incredibly hard for anyone" to tell the
difference between a genuine trans woman and a man pretending to be a
trans woman



As if her name wasnt enough.

[Zizu]

She added that it would be "incredibly hard for anyone" to tell the
difference between a genuine trans woman and a man pretending to be a
trans woman



As if her name wasnt enough.


Took me about 2 seconds


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[Glenn.]

Transphobia on point tonight guys! Well done

[Beso]

Transphobia on point tonight guys! Well done

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/19crRNpMkM/

[Crimson Dynamo]

Works in a hospital and does not know if she is a man or a woman

Works in HR

It's mind boggling

[Cherie]

Transphobia on point tonight guys! Well done

oh give over, the woman is a clown show

[Cherie]

Anyway poor Isla try hard is soon to be toast....see ya later

[Crimson Dynamo]

Isla is not a very lucky name for the woke mind virus leftists in Scotland

This is strike 2

Who will be next one wonders...?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Works in a hospital and does not know if she is a man or a woman

Works in HR

It's mind boggling

JK Rowling has had her say about Bumba:

"Gender identity ideology is an unfalsifiable, quasi-religious belief
system that demands absurdities of its adherents. Thus we see
perfectly intelligent people pretending they’re not sure which sex they
are, in the belief that this makes them virtuous."

[Mystic Mock]

Read this..

It beggars belief

https://www.scottishdailyexpress.co.uk/news/politics/nhs-fife-equalities-chief-says-35567796

That Bumba woman sounds bonkers.:joker:

[Mystic Mock]

Transphobia on point tonight guys! Well done

Tbf, Bumba's claim to not know what Biological Sex she is, is bonkers.

She undermined her points by saying that imo.

[Maru]

That Bumba woman sounds bonkers.:joker:

Oh. We have one of those on the US Supreme Court.

She described biological guess as "far more complex"

BWtGzJxiONU

[Mystic Mock]

Oh. We have one of those on the US Supreme Court.



BWtGzJxiONU

Really?!:shocked:

I'm going to check the video out.

[Mystic Mock]

How hesitant she is to just answer the question.:joker:
Maru

[Crimson Dynamo]

The NHS Fife female consultants who backed Dr Beth Upton don't have to share
a changing room with the trans medic, it has been revealed. Instead, they get
their own facilities as senior members of staff so wouldn't be using the same
single-sex spaces as a biological man.

Dr Elspeth Pitt, A&E consultant, made the revelation as she gave evidence to
the Sandie Peggie employment tribunal on Friday morning.


:rolleyes:

[Crimson Dynamo]

BBC activists at it again

---

"A nurse who complained about sharing a changing room with a transgender doctor has
been cleared of gross misconduct following disciplinary proceedings by NHS Fife."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2mp5jley8o

She didn't object to sharing a changing room with Upton because he was transgender;
she objected to sharing a changing room with him because he's MALE.

[Livia]

The NHS Fife female consultants who backed Dr Beth Upton don't have to share
a changing room with the trans medic, it has been revealed. Instead, they get
their own facilities as senior members of staff so wouldn't be using the same
single-sex spaces as a biological man.

Dr Elspeth Pitt, A&E consultant, made the revelation as she gave evidence to
the Sandie Peggie employment tribunal on Friday morning.


:rolleyes:

So I guess it's fair to ask, what was the transgender doctor getting out of insisting on sharing a single sex space with women when there was no need.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Scottish Express scotExpress
·

Breaking: Sandie Peggie was told to change in a TOILET to avoid changing with trans doctor

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:shocked:

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://wpcluster.dctdigital.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/12/2025/03/SCOTLAND_61789413-2nh2bj1c2-scaled-e1741185305629-620x372.jpg

EXCLUSIVE: SNP health chief backs NHS Fife after Sandie Peggie cleared of misconduct

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J.K. Rowling @jk_rowling
·

This is Nicola Sturgeon's legacy: a government that publicly backs the
hapless, unprofessional, ideologically captured health board that's
persecuting a nurse for asserting her legal right to a single-sex changing
room.

[Cherie]

Scottish Express scotExpress
·

Breaking: Sandie Peggie was told to change in a TOILET to avoid changing with trans doctor

------------

:shocked:

Its not surprising to me

[Crimson Dynamo]

The "trans" doctor at the centre of the workplace row that led to disciplinary action
against nurse Sandie Peggie had "previous difficulties" with yet another
colleague and kept a log of “difficult interactions.” Who on earth logs details of
their colleagues?

[Cherie]

The "trans" doctor at the centre of the workplace row that led to disciplinary action
against nurse Sandie Peggie had "previous difficulties" with yet another
colleague and kept a log of “difficult interactions.” Who on earth logs details of
their colleagues?

People with a victim complex

[Crimson Dynamo]

Dr Kate Searle, Deputy Clinical Lead, NHS FIFE

This, is what one lone female Nurse was up against..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GwJQFFaXgAAWW86?format=jpg&name=small

[Cherie]

Dr Kate Searle, Deputy Clinical Lead, NHS FIFE

This, is what one lone female Nurse was up against..

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GwJQFFaXgAAWW86?format=jpg&name=small

And no one is surprised!

[Cherie]

A nurse who complained about a transgender doctor using a hospital’s female changing room was accused of racism by senior NHS staff, an employment tribunal has heard.

Charlotte Myles, a service manager at NHS Fife, said she had reviewed a decision to suspend Sandie Peggie over the row with Dr Beth Upton, who was born male but identifies as female.

Ms Myles told a tribunal in Dundee that senior figures at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy “expressed unhappiness” at her decision to allow Ms Peggie to return to work.

She said they claimed that the nurse was homophobic, had been “racist towards a doctor” and that she supported Donald Trump’s views on gender.

She said Dr Kate Searle, who was Dr Upton’s line manager, alleged there were “patient safety issues” with allowing Ms Peggie to resume her nursing job.

It was claimed that Ms Peggie had walked away from patients when Dr Upton arrived to treat them, including one who required resuscitation.

But none of the allegations were reported at the time they were said to have occurred or were supported by documentation, she said.

Ms Myles said they instead came from “second, third-hand information” and the doctor who was the alleged subject of the racist comment did not recall it having been made.



Sounds a bit like TiBB :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

It does admittedly sound like character assassination coming from NHS Fife.

If they can't discredit her points, then there's probably a reason for that.

I'm just saying.

[Crimson Dynamo]

J.K. Rowling @jk_rowling
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Just another day of lunacy in the Scottish courts. Dr Kate Searle, a consultant
in emergency medicine, says she knows she's female because it says so on her
birth certificate, but she personally isn't an expert on recognising a baby's sex.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GwgPIyyXUAIPFtM?format=jpg&name=small

'I don't think you can prove it' is one hell of a way to deny withholding
information from a tribunal.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GwgQiPvXUAAWkrt?format=jpg&name=small

However, Dr Searle's a doctor, which makes her automatically trustworthy,
the same way her male colleague, Dr Upton, became automatically
trustworthy in the female changing rooms the moment he said he was a
woman.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GwgRssHXUAAheRr?format=jpg&name=small

[Crimson Dynamo]

A director of NHS Fife, and a Labour councillor who was Fife Council's spokesperson for health and social care, was yesterday convicted of
sexual offences against a girl (at the same time that the Sandie Peggie / NHS
Fife tribunal was taking place)

https://i2-prod.dailyrecord.co.uk/article35606583.ece/ALTERNATES/s1023/1_david-graham-25-08-2023.jpg

David Graham, who was at senior politician on Fife Council, has been described
by police as a "manipulative individual who groomed and sexually abused his
teenage victim."

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scottish-labour-councillor-found-guilty-35606492

[Cherie]

A director of NHS Fife, and a Labour councillor who was Fife Council's spokesperson for health and social care, was yesterday convicted of
sexual offences against a girl (at the same time that the Sandie Peggie / NHS
Fife tribunal was taking place)

https://i2-prod.dailyrecord.co.uk/article35606583.ece/ALTERNATES/s1023/1_david-graham-25-08-2023.jpg

David Graham, who was at senior politician on Fife Council, has been described
by police as a "manipulative individual who groomed and sexually abused his
teenage victim."

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scottish-labour-councillor-found-guilty-35606492

Grim

[Mystic Mock]

A director of NHS Fife, and a Labour councillor who was Fife Council's spokesperson for health and social care, was yesterday convicted of
sexual offences against a girl (at the same time that the Sandie Peggie / NHS
Fife tribunal was taking place)

https://i2-prod.dailyrecord.co.uk/article35606583.ece/ALTERNATES/s1023/1_david-graham-25-08-2023.jpg

David Graham, who was at senior politician on Fife Council, has been described
by police as a "manipulative individual who groomed and sexually abused his
teenage victim."

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/scottish-labour-councillor-found-guilty-35606492

He even has a face that screams sex offender.

[Crimson Dynamo]

He even has a face that screams sex offender.

Literally my first thought Mock