Competitor : BBC Apprentice has quit the show after allegedly using racist language

[arista]

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Yes,
Good to Kick him out
Racist on the BBC
100% rule break.


And, he is a Qualified Dentist.

[Ray.]

Oh, thank God.

I thought it was my sweepstake for a minute there.

[Kate!]

Oh, thank God.

I thought it was my sweepstake for a minute there.

Ha, same Ray.

[Oliver_W]

I'd be willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one - he doesn't seem like someone who spends a lot of time online, and what he said isn't too different from the en vogue term, "people of colour."

I'd bet he sort-of remembered that term, and got a wire crossed in his brain and accidentally used the outdated term.

[user104658]

This is a slightly tough one because the context of why the term is considered a slur rather than just offensively outdated is mostly specific to the US and South Africa, where it HAS historically been used in a negative way. My impression is that in the UK itself (whilst it's still outdated) it wasn't really historically used offensively (for the mostpart), more just synonymously with modern terms.

Sounds like he hasn't been booted though - he's decided to leave because of the accusation and the implications of it (on him personally and professionally), which is fair and understandable all round.

I would say though... people going on television really need to be especially careful with their words, and often are... not. Like if in any doubt just don't.

[Oliver_W]

This is a slightly tough one because the context of why the term is considered a slur rather than just offensively outdated is mostly specific to the US and South Africa, where it HAS historically been used in a negative way. My impression is that in the UK itself (whilst it's still outdated) it wasn't really historically used offensively (for the mostpart), more just synonymously with modern terms.

Sounds like he hasn't been booted though - he's decided to leave because of the accusation and the implications of it (on him personally and professionally), which is fair and understandable all round.

I would say though... people going on television really need to be especially careful with their words, and often are... not. Like if in any doubt just don't.

It might just be old people "back in my day"-ing, but I've heard that black was once considered a slur, and coloured was a preferred term? Whereas now using black is morally neutral, and coloured is the (um) "off-colour" terminology.

As you say he should have erred on the side of caution. But it's not always that easy - I once used the word "chav" (in a non-derogatory way) around some of my more right-on friends, and they all clutched their pearls and fell onto the fainting couch :joker: Sometimes you just don't know, and it's not something that would even cross your mind that you might be using a problematic word.



(I've not seen the latest episode, so can't speak on context)

[Redway]

It might just be old people "back in my day"-ing, but I've heard that black was once considered a slur, and coloured was a preferred term? Whereas now using black is morally neutral, and coloured is the (um) "off-colour" terminology.

As you say he should have erred on the side of caution. But it's not always that easy - I once used the word "chav" (in a non-derogatory way) around some of my more right-on friends, and they all clutched their pearls and fell onto the fainting couch :joker: Sometimes you just don't know, and it's not something that would even cross your mind that you might be using a problematic word.



(I've not seen the latest episode, so can't speak on context)

Are you not an incredibly young man in your 30s/early 40s?

[Oliver_W]

Are you not an incredibly young man in your 30s/early 40s?

Early-mid thirties, thank YOU.

I didn't say the old people were my contemporaries :joker:

[Livia]

It might just be old people "back in my day"-ing, but I've heard that black was once considered a slur, and coloured was a preferred term? Whereas now using black is morally neutral, and coloured is the (um) "off-colour" terminology.

As you say he should have erred on the side of caution. But it's not always that easy - I once used the word "chav" (in a non-derogatory way) around some of my more right-on friends, and they all clutched their pearls and fell onto the fainting couch :joker: Sometimes you just don't know, and it's not something that would even cross your mind that you might be using a problematic word.



(I've not seen the latest episode, so can't speak on context)

My parents say 'coloured' sometimes because to them 'black' sounds like a slur. It's all about intent.

[Oliver_W]

My parents say 'coloured' sometimes because to them 'black' sounds like a slur. It's all about intent.

I'm not saying your parents are old, but they're probably of the same generation as my older relatives who pretty much think the same.

[Livia]

I'm not saying your parents are old, but they're probably of the same generation as my older relatives who pretty much think the same.

My parents are old, relatively speaking. In their 70s.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The office were taking the piss about "acceptable words" 20 odd years ago :laugh:

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[Ammi]

This is a slightly tough one because the context of why the term is considered a slur rather than just offensively outdated is mostly specific to the US and South Africa, where it HAS historically been used in a negative way. My impression is that in the UK itself (whilst it's still outdated) it wasn't really historically used offensively (for the mostpart), more just synonymously with modern terms.

Sounds like he hasn't been booted though - he's decided to leave because of the accusation and the implications of it (on him personally and professionally), which is fair and understandable all round.

I would say though... people going on television really need to be especially careful with their words, and often are... not. Like if in any doubt just don't.

…I just recently watched a TV series…(…Capture Season 2…)…and one of the characters is a rising politician who is a person of colour, which is deemed as an acceptable term and has originated from the US…but there’s a part in one episode that specifically refers to that term as being one that the politician himself would never use and dislikes because it’s too closely related to ‘coloured’….

[Redway]

Early-mid thirties, thank YOU.

I didn't say the old people were my contemporaries :joker:

So don’t you dare go “Back in my day”-ing. You’re not old enough for that, Mr 34.

[AnnieK]

So don’t you dare go “Back in my day”-ing. You’re not old enough for that, Mr 34.

He wasn't doing it personally - he stated that some older people use that....and he's not wrong.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I mean Beyonce is desperately trying to make her self look white these days and no one bats an eye

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[GoldHeart]

I mean Beyonce is desperately trying to make her self look white these days and no one bats an eye

https://pagesix.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2023/11/film-beyonc-samuel-goldwyn-theater-72855796-5.jpg?resize=819,1024&quality=75&strip=all

And the award for the most irrelevant comment in a thread ....goes to

[Crimson Dynamo]

And the award for the most irrelevant comment in a thread ....goes to

Id like to thank God, my parents and Michael Jackson in his later years...

[GoldHeart]

On a serious note ...Jana probably didn't mean any ill intent by his wording...he was probably quoting something that he's heard or it was just in his vocabulary but came out clumsy, I still find it odd that people still say ' coloured' instead of just saying the word black.

But I also understand it may be their upbringing or a generation thing. They don't want to offend...so they end up being overly PC by saying ' coloured' , when in reality it's all about context.