Zelensky Must Fly back to Washinton DC and sign the Form

[arista]

President Trump will not
give him a lot of time.


Reports has stated
He must return and sign
soon.


Take an assistant with him
Who can translate,


Sign the Form
for the USA rights on minerals
in Ukraine.


Then Fly back to the EU

[Crimson Dynamo]

sick of the sight of this chancer

[arista]

sick of the sight of this chancer



Sure, but this is a short Visit
with his assistant, he can sign the form
He has already agreed to
then leave, no need for a dinner.

[Livia]

Strange how Putin's name has all but disappeared from these discussions and the invaded have become the butt of Trump's aggression.

[joeysteele]

No he shouldn't NOT without some security guarantee.

Not at all should he be threatened or bullied into signing.

Looks like he's AT LEAST fighting 2 despots now.

[bots]

Trump can go to ukraine if he wants a deal

[joeysteele]

Strange how Putin's name has all but disappeared from these discussions and the invaded have become the butt of Trump's aggression.

Isn't it just.
Good point Livia.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

President Trump has paused Weapons going to Ukraine
So, best fly there and sign the deal.

[joeysteele]

President Trump has paused Weapons going to Ukraine
So, best fly there and sign the deal.

Why should Zelensky be bullied and threatened.
Has Ukraine not had all that already from Putin and Russia.

Or are you happy to see Russia get rewarded for invading another Nation
If you are ,well that's up to you.

No way should Putin get anything from this invasion.
The person and Nation who ARE the victim here is ONLY Zelensky and Ukraine

Yet you support this unhinged madman who is equally verbally and now even on agreed deals between the 2 Countries, bullying and threatening Zelensky and Ukraine along with Putin.

As for J D Vance, what an absolutely horrendous creep he is.

What Trump, Vance and therefore the USA are now doing is despicable.
It's absolutely sickening that only people who crawl to Trump are deemed worthy of anything from him.
The USA in this already agreed deal, have shown they cannot be trusted.

This paranoid and unhinged President Trump is probably more dangerous to the World along with other despots like Putin.

Russia should not be aided to get ANYTHING at all from this shocking invasion of Ukraine.
Which it seems Trump is doing just exactly that.
Aiding Putin's aims NOT UKRAINE's rights.
How anyone can support that is really unbelievable.

[Quantum Boy]

Strange how Putin's name has all but disappeared from these discussions and the invaded have become the butt of Trump's aggression.

Putin's name doesn't have to be in it; he's operating via a proxy who is fully (knowingly or otherwise) currently representing his interests.

[arista]

[Why should Zelensky be bullied and threatened.
Has Ukraine not had all that already from Putin and Russia.]

No Joe

Sign the Form in USA
Fly out there.


Take an assistant
with him.


Then all will go back

[arista]

More Front Pages Tonight

[Livia]

Trump's view of Ukraine and what the USA should be entitled to for aid is not a surprise. The USA never come out of any war in the red. They always make a profit. Remember, we've not had a word from Putin since this latest charade kicked off. Trump is Putin's mouthpiece and biggest supporter.

The office of PresIdent of the USA used to have some gravitas to the office. Trump's turned it into a trailer park circus. Again.

[joeysteele]

[Why should Zelensky be bullied and threatened.
Has Ukraine not had all that already from Putin and Russia.]

No Joe

Sign the Form in USA
Fly out there.


Take an assistant
with him.


Then all will go back

Never will I agree with you that something should be signed as a deal by threatening and bullying and even a form of blackmail.
Never ever.

Trump is being utterly despicable.
He's looking more cowardly and greedy than any kind of statesman.
Also in my view dangerously so.

[arista]

Never will I agree with you that something should be signed as a deal by threatening and bullying and even a form of blackmail.
Never ever.

Trump is being utterly despicable.
He's looking more cowardly and greedy than any kind of statesman.
Also in my view dangerously so.


Yes
Great Respect to you.

Even members of his parliament
want him to fly today to the USA,


Yes, it is dangerous
to not go back to the USA

[Kazanne]

Why do people seem scared of Trump ? I thought him and the vice president totally rude and they owe Zelensky an apology.

[arista]

Why do people seem scared of Trump ? I thought him and the vice president totally rude and they owe Zelensky an apology.


No,
never happen.


Zelensky has been invited back

[Crimson Dynamo]

I hope he at least puts on a suit this time

[arista]

I hope he at least puts on a suit this time


No he stated
only after the War.

[Glenn.]

I hope he at least puts on a suit this time

Thats what makes the Trumpettes so hilarious. Where was this nonsense for class when President Musk wore a baseball cap, t shirt and overcoat, whilst letting his human shield child roast The Sexual Predator at its own desk.

Make it make sense or just stop with the faux outrage. It’s boring.

[joeysteele]

Trump and Vance wear suits and look at the rotten individuals they are presenting themselves as.
More despots than statesmen.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Note he wears a suit when he meets his boss tho....:skull:

https://www.president.gov.ua/storage/j-image-storage/14/90/77/98f87fa226c88c7d0ac057cb3ed140d1_1579709858_extra_ large.jpeg

[Livia]

When Winston Churchill visited the White House during World War 2, he wore a Siren Suit. No one had a problem with it. Mind you, the office of the President of the United States had some gravitas and respect back then.


Warning, large image.
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[Glenn.]

Trump and Vance wear suits and look at the rotten individuals they are presenting themselves as.
More despots than statesmen.

You can’t polish a turd

[Livia]

You can’t polish a turd

You can fasten a tie around one though.

[Glenn.]

You can fasten a tie around one though.

True

[Niamh.]

Please stick to the thread topic which isn't other Forum Members

[arista]

When Winston Churchill visited the White House during World War 2, he wore a Siren Suit. No one had a problem with it. Mind you, the office of the President of the United States had some gravitas and respect back then.


Warning, large image.
https://i.redd.it/31toq4e7c1me1.jpeg


Yes was on the News.

[arista]

Trump and Vance wear suits and look at the rotten individuals they are presenting themselves as.
More despots than statesmen.


Yes
One photo had JD Vance
seated but his trousers were too short

[arista]

Zelensky has now stated
he is now ready to sign it.

All Media.


Good News

[arista]

PM Starmer has phone called
President Zelensky,

[Cherie]

Trump's view of Ukraine and what the USA should be entitled to for aid is not a surprise. The USA never come out of any war in the red. They always make a profit. Remember, we've not had a word from Putin since this latest charade kicked off. Trump is Putin's mouthpiece and biggest supporter.

The office of PresIdent of the USA used to have some gravitas to the office. Trump's turned it into a trailer park circus. Again.

The Krelim have responded now applauding the USA for pausing weapons and indicating this could push Kiev towards peace, the gaslighting is off the scale

[bots]

i think what europe will do is quietly start excluding the usa from the discussion. It's compromised top to bottom

[Crimson Dynamo]

i think what europe will do is quietly start excluding the usa from the discussion. It's compromised top to bottom

:joker:

"Europe" does not exist

a cabal of leftist fantasists at best, propped up by MSM lies

[bots]

:joker:

"Europe" does not exist

a cabal of leftist fantasists at best, propped up by MSM lies

keep slurping Donald's cool aide, but please check for lumpy bits

[joeysteele]

i think what europe will do is quietly start excluding the usa from the discussion. It's compromised top to bottom

I personally doubt that but would actually love to think you're right bots

The USA with this unhinged madman there for the next just under 4 years.
Really cannot be trusted or relied on in my view.
You cannot just keep giving in to someone who doesn't want to hear what people really think.
All he wants is to state what he intends to do then only hear from everyone else, yes sir.

No contradiction, no disagreements and no negativity.
You cannot or shouldn't deal with or rely on characters like that.

However you've a better knowledge than myself on conflicts plus relationships between Nations..
So I hope you are right.
Because in my view Trump is dangerously unhinged and extremely volatile.

[Quantum Boy]

The USA with this unhinged madman there for the next just under 4 years.


They have a clear intent to permanently manipulate US democracy; it won't be Trump (because he's getting old) but I think the chances of anyone coming in to replace him who isn't cut from the same cloth get slimmer by the day - and he's been in less than two months. In four years? I just don't see it.

[joeysteele]

They have a clear intent to permanently manipulate US democracy; it won't be Trump (because he's getting old) but I think the chances of anyone coming in to replace him who isn't cut from the same cloth get slimmer by the day - and he's been in less than two months. In four years? I just don't see it.

I think you are more than likely right too.
It's really concerning.

[Beso]

i think what europe will do is quietly start excluding the usa from the discussion. It's compromised top to bottom

Let's see what stops the war. The EUs weapons, or the Americans diplomacy with Russia.

[Quantum Boy]

Let's see what stops the war. The EUs weapons, or the Americans diplomacy with Russia.

America's "diplomacy" with Russia involves granting Russia a boatload of their war goals. Of course it's likely to stop the war? WW2 could have been stopped over night... all we had to do was surrender. Are you saying we should have done that, Herr Parmy?

[arista]

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[Cherie]

They have a clear intent to permanently manipulate US democracy; it won't be Trump (because he's getting old) but I think the chances of anyone coming in to replace him who isn't cut from the same cloth get slimmer by the day - and he's been in less than two months. In four years? I just don't see it.

Vance is far more dangerous than Trump, at least Trump has the courage of his convictions which is fair enough, Vance on the other hand has just seen a bandwagon to jump on to further his career, and he will literally say or do anything to do just that

[Cherie]

Let's see what stops the war. The EUs weapons, or the Americans diplomacy with Russia.

Oh Parm, there is no diplomacy, that should cut both ways..you cant use diplomacy for Russia and bullying for Ukraine ....surely it should be diplomacy for both.. the USA are fully in bed with the Kremlin make no mistake

[arista]

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[Cherie]

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kinda interesting he is signing with a pencil....:hee:

[Cherie]

Donald Trump has made history with record-breaking low approval ratings despite his recent jibes over Volodymyr Zelensky's poll numbers.

A majority of Americans disapprove of Mr Trump just weeks into his chaotic return to the White House. Polling from Gallup taken between February 3 and 16 show 51 per cent of Americans disprove of him compared to 45 per cent who approve.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/donald-trump-in-record-breaking-low-approval-ratings-after-he-taunted-zelensky-over-polling/ar-AA1AffJl?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=ENTPSP&cvid=27cef1c2d1834e528f6941b00263c3e7&ei=30

[Cherie]

The above will slide even further when their 401 start to unravel

[Glenn.]

Donald Trump has made history with record-breaking low approval ratings despite his recent jibes over Volodymyr Zelensky's poll numbers.

A majority of Americans disapprove of Mr Trump just weeks into his chaotic return to the White House. Polling from Gallup taken between February 3 and 16 show 51 per cent of Americans disprove of him compared to 45 per cent who approve.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/donald-trump-in-record-breaking-low-approval-ratings-after-he-taunted-zelensky-over-polling/ar-AA1AffJl?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=ENTPSP&cvid=27cef1c2d1834e528f6941b00263c3e7&ei=30

Music to my ears

[Maru]

Donald Trump has made history with record-breaking low approval ratings despite his recent jibes over Volodymyr Zelensky's poll numbers.

A majority of Americans disapprove of Mr Trump just weeks into his chaotic return to the White House. Polling from Gallup taken between February 3 and 16 show 51 per cent of Americans disprove of him compared to 45 per cent who approve.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/donald-trump-in-record-breaking-low-approval-ratings-after-he-taunted-zelensky-over-polling/ar-AA1AffJl?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=ENTPSP&cvid=27cef1c2d1834e528f6941b00263c3e7&ei=30

I'm actually surprised by that. That "this" would be the issue, especially given that it's Trump here so not sure what some were expecting there.

Partisanship has become more American Wrestling meets social media echo chamber at the national level, so I don't think it's because of his lack of "decorum". The voices we're exposed to now simply just "go there" with no qualms and Americans themselves in general are less than apologetic when it comes to sharing of views.

I think it's partly that Democrats and Republicans will echo their political friends outside of the US in their contacts regarding international affairs. Trump is seen as "the Right", and so far it would seem Russia is closer to Trump politically than not just based on the fact he's put no substance or distance there to imply otherwise. They might as well be allies because that's how our politics has always locked itself down, ie each side never disses their friends, etc... it's very lockstep.

I think it's fair so many here are done with giving Ukraine inordinate amounts of money with no end in plain view, but the begging of mineral contracts would seem to keep us in the war, at least financially, as a way to do business and that runs counter to his other claims of getting us out.. so personally I think it's a mixture of not distancing ourselves from Russia, which effectively assists them, and seemingly trying to make deals with Ukraine that will likely keep us embedded in war.

Best case scenario (unlikely) he is concerned about upsetting Putin so that he keeps a hold of his card. It's fair to question his motives here because he is currently very hostile to so many of the entities that at least in the past would've been considered allies...

[arista]

kinda interesting he is signing with a pencil....:hee:


That's what he wrote before the Email was sent to
President Trump.


President Trump was pleased
to get the letter, he spoke at the Congress Event.


Zelensky is soon to fly to Washington DC
and sign the Form.

[arista]

[so personally I think it's a mixture of not
distancing ourselves from Russia,
which effectively assists them, and seemingly trying to make
deals with Ukraine that will likely
keep us embedded in war.]


Putin needs to be Killed
by a Russian

[arista]

Overnight,
The Sad Democrat (A. Green)
was removed from Congress
by the Sergeant in arms.

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[Cherie]

I'm actually surprised by that. That "this" would be the issue, especially given that it's Trump here so not sure what some were expecting there.

Partisanship has become more American Wrestling meets social media echo chamber at the national level, so I don't think it's because of his lack of "decorum". The voices we're exposed to now simply just "go there" with no qualms and Americans themselves in general are less than apologetic when it comes to sharing of views.

I think it's partly that Democrats and Republicans will echo their political friends outside of the US in their contacts regarding international affairs. Trump is seen as "the Right", and so far it would seem Russia is closer to Trump has not politically just based on the fact he's put no substance or distance there to imply otherwise. They might as well be allies because that's how our politics has always locked itself down, ie each side never disses their friends, etc... it's very lockstep.

I think it's fair so many here are done with giving Ukraine inordinate amounts of money with no end in plain view, but the begging of mineral contracts would seem to keep us in the war, at least financially, as a way to do business and that runs counter to his other claims of getting us out.. so personally I think it's a mixture of not distancing ourselves from Russia, which effectively assists them, and seemingly trying to make deals with Ukraine that will likely keep us embedded in war.

Best case scenario (unlikely) he is concerned about upsetting Putin so that he keeps a hold of his card. It's fair to question his motives here because he is currently very hostile to so many of the entities that at least in the past would've been considered allies...

Good take Maru thank you

[DrunkerThanMoses]

Overnight,
The Sad Democrat (A. Green)
was removed from Congress
by the Sergeant in arms.

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The people around him being gormless zombie idiots. **** them all bar him

[arista]

The people around him being gormless zombie idiots. **** them all bar him


He is the only democrat
trying to impeach President Trump.

So he did all that
to promote his Angle

[Beso]

America's "diplomacy" with Russia involves granting Russia a boatload of their war goals. Of course it's likely to stop the war? WW2 could have been stopped over night... all we had to do was surrender. Are you saying we should have done that, Herr Parmy?

If you are comfortable enough to carry on until theres over 5 million dead then that's your prerogative.


It's only a load of foreigners anyway, right?

[arista]

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[arista]

Elon Musk
last night had tie on.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/03/05/03/95850545-14462643-image-a-25_1741143682762.jpg

[arista]

PM Starmer is a Utter Fool

Putin will not sign his deal
until the UK troop peacekeepers are Removed
from it.

[Maru]

Overnight,
The Sad Democrat (A. Green)
was removed from Congress
by the Sergeant in arms.

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If only. He is local to us and has been around forever. I never particularly liked or disliked him but he is 77. We desperately need term limits.

Trump is 78 himself and watching Congress is really like watching the local residents have it out over something petty at the weekly luncheon.

[arista]

If only. He is local to us and has been around forever. I never particularly liked or disliked him but he is 77. We desperately need term limits.

Trump is 78 himself and watching Congress is really like watching the local residents have it out over something petty at the weekly luncheon.


But A. Green
wants to impeach Trump.

So that's part of why he raised his Walking Cane.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/02/16/22/95276531-14403997-image-a-3_1739745805253.jpg

Evil Putin

[bots]

If only. He is local to us and has been around forever. I never particularly liked or disliked him but he is 77. We desperately need term limits.

Trump is 78 himself and watching Congress is really like watching the local residents have it out over something petty at the weekly luncheon.

Biden and McConnel should have been the warning to all americans. They may be fine when they take office, but at that age, health issues can strike in an instant. High pressure roles and an elderly age or not a good combination

[Maru]

Biden and McConnel should have been the warning to all americans. They may be fine when they take office, but at that age, health issues can strike in an instant. High pressure roles and an elderly age or not a good combination

Yeah, you're not kidding, bots. Sylvester Turner who is a newly minted Congressman at 70 just passed away. He was our mayor for quite a while.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Now Zelensky had to meet EU Leaders
today, fair enough,


But he needs to fly back to the USA
to sign the Trump Form,
tomorrow.


As his troops are fighting blind
He must ask President Trump
to put the Important Military Signal back on.

[joeysteele]

Now Zelensky had to meet EU Leaders
today, fair enough,


But he needs to fly back to the USA
to sign the Trump Form,
tomorrow.


As his troops are fighting blind
He must ask President Trump
to put the Important Military Signal back on.

Well he cannot just fly into Washington and arrive at the White house to sign it can he??
The unhinged odious creep Trump wouldn't entertain that.

He's told him he'd sign it at Trump's convenience.
After being more blackmailed and threatened by Trump
It's up to Trump to invite him back.

Just how do you think Trump would react also to any request from Zelensky as to a decision of Trump's.

Why do you always put the onus onto Zelensky and NOT unhinged Trump?

[bots]

France and the UK can still provide their own intelligence, ukraine is not blind

[Crimson Dynamo]

Out with his begging bowl as per

[bots]

Out with his begging bowl as per

Trump becomes Putins bitch and CD follows along like a sheep

[Crimson Dynamo]

Trump becomes Putins bitch

stop watching the BBC Bots

[arista]

[Well he cannot just fly into Washington and arrive
at the White house to sign it can he??
The unhinged odious creep Trump wouldn't entertain that.]

Obviously, before the Flight
speak with Trump's Team.
To explain, he is willing to sign
Trumps Form.
Then Fly to Washington DC


As his Troops need the USA Intel
urgently for his troops on the Front line

[Glenn.]

Trump becomes Putins bitch and CD follows along like a sheep

Embarrassing huh?

[arista]

[It's up to Trump to invite him back.]

Of course Joey
But because his troops must have that
Live intel, that President Trump has halted,
It is more urgent, he flies this week.

[joeysteele]

[It's up to Trump to invite him back.]

Of course Joey
But because his troops must have that
Live intel, that President Trump has halted,
It is more urgent, he flies this week.

He can't fly until he's asked to by Trump.
He's already told Trump in a letter that he'll sign the deal at Trump's convenience.

The ball is now in Trump's court.
Zelensky cannot just turn up at the White house without permission to.

Trump however should never have stopped ANYTHING pre agreed with Ukraine and allies.

[arista]

Yes
Well, he can ask if he can sign it.
they can say not yet.

Or they can say fly on Friday



More Ukraine Troops will Die
As they are fighting, Blind
As the Russian Troops know their Locations.

[bots]

rumour has it that the USA has restarted sending weapons to ukraine

[Quantum Boy]

rumour has it that the USA has restarted sending weapons to ukraine

They're all over the place. More and more convinced one of the main things they're doing is rigging stock trades. They know when markets are going to fall and rise... Because it's their decisions making it happen. And they keep flip-flopping in a way that has markets shooting up and down almost every day.

[arista]

Yes SB,
President Trump announced
One month, Suspended 25% Tariff
for Mexico and Canada.

USA Car Parts worry


Markets happy with that,
at least.

[arista]

President Trump
Considering Banking Sanctions on Russia.

To force them to his table.


SkyNewsHD Live

[arista]

President Trump
has been filmed stating
Ukraine has no choice.

Then Stated only he knows
Why Russia must End The War.

[arista]

Trump just spoke live
saying Russia is bombing the hell out of Ukraine.

He stated that next week in Saudi Arabia
Ukraine and Russia talks

[bots]

They're all over the place. More and more convinced one of the main things they're doing is rigging stock trades. They know when markets are going to fall and rise... Because it's their decisions making it happen. And they keep flip-flopping in a way that has markets shooting up and down almost every day.

Eric was on social media telling people when to buy :laugh:

Apparently Musk and Trump have already earned billions 6 weeks in

[arista]

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Last Friday

[arista]

Sky News Text :
[Donald Trump says Russia is "easier"
to deal with than Ukraine
and claims Vladimir Putin is launching strikes
"what anybody else would do"
The Times writes.]


https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-668a0239-a202-4554-b441-9b76db46a316.png

[arista]

Russian Missiles
caused 14 dead,
including Children.
last night, as Ukraine no longer has the Satellite link
from USA.

[bots]

trump has made it clear he doesn't care about that

[arista]

trump has made it clear he doesn't care about that


Yes he did say just that.

Thats why Zelensky must sign Trumps Form

[joeysteele]

Yes he did say just that.

Thats why Zelensky must sign Trumps Form

So Zelensky has to NOW bow down to 2 dictators and just give them whatever they want ?

Trump is as rotten from the core as Putin is.
Even virtually blackmailing Zelensky and Ukraine into doing so.

Crikey where we would all have been had that been the attitude in World war 2.
Just roll over and give the dictators and dangerous leader/s all they DEMANDED.
Unbelievable.

[arista]

So Zelensky has to NOW bow down to 2 dictators and just give them whatever they want ?

Trump is as rotten from the core as Putin is.
Even virtually blackmailing Zelensky and Ukraine into doing so.

Crikey where we would all have been had that been the attitude in World war 2.
Just roll over and give the dictators and dangerous leader/s all they DEMANDED.
Unbelievable.


No
Joey,
Until Russia stops attacking Ukraine.

But only President Trump
has the Peace Plan.

He will stop Russia
Once Zelensky signs his Form.

[joeysteele]

No
Joey,
Until Russia stops attacking Ukraine.

But only President Trump
has the Peace Plan.

He will stop Russia
Once Zelensky signs his Form.

Just exactly what is this peace plan you say he has.
Does anyone really know what goes on in the mind of that more like dangerous madman.

What IS the peace deal .
He hasn't either said he will stop Russia.
Stop Russia from what, from taking illegally the land of Ukraine they've illegally invaded.
Or are they going to get some, most or all of that.
Do you know?

What is this peace deal no one knows any detail of.
That Zelensky has to blindly sign a form that on the surface only benefits Trump's USA
Without knowing what is expected from Trump that Ukraine will have to SURRENDER to Russia.

Would you sign a document with so many unanswered points as to your future and security.
Because I for sure would not.

However if you can list Trump's deal that no one else has any idea of.
Then I'll eagerly read it.

I'm not even sure he has one that will in effect reward Ukraine for all it's efforts while it will reward Putin and Russia.

That's NOT a deal, that's more cowardice.

[arista]

[Just exactly what is this peace plan you say he has.]


You and all of us will find out
Once Zelensky signs Trump's Form.

He has stated Russia has an agreement
with President Trump.

[Livia]

Did anyone ever think they'd see, in their lifetime, the USA supporting Russia in an illegal war? In the next four years Trump and Vance are going to do irreparable damage to the image and status of the USA on the world stage. I hope Europe generally and Ukraine in particular, tell Trump and Vance to go **** themselves.

[bots]

Did anyone ever think they'd see, in their lifetime, the USA supporting Russia in an illegal war? In the next four years Trump and Vance are going to do irreparable damage to the image and status of the USA on the world stage. I hope Europe generally and Ukraine in particular, tell Trump and Vance to go **** themselves.

the problem is that even if there is a "friendly" president elected next time, no-one will ever trust their long term future to america again. That is irreversible now

[joeysteele]

Did anyone ever think they'd see, in their lifetime, the USA supporting Russia in an illegal war? In the next four years Trump and Vance are going to do irreparable damage to the image and status of the USA on the world stage. I hope Europe generally and Ukraine in particular, tell Trump and Vance to go **** themselves.

No I didn't and your post is a very strong one.
I totally agree with your very last line particularly.

[arista]

the problem is that even if there is a "friendly" president elected next time, no-one will ever trust their long term future to america again. That is irreversible now


Yes
Very True
could even be worse

At Least Zelensky has stated
He will sign the Trump Form

[arista]

I did think President Trump
would go this way.


Last Time he was with Putin in a Room
talking together

[arista]

Back in 2018

https://media.cnn.com/api/v1/images/stellar/prod/180716112412-08-helsinki-presser-0716.jpg?q=x_92,y_3,h_1484,w_2638,c_crop/h_540,w_960

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GlgZ1QdXgAA5G9m?format=jpg&name=small

[Quantum Boy]

the problem is that even if there is a "friendly" president elected next time, no-one will ever trust their long term future to america again. That is irreversible now

Agreed, the damage to the US as a country is insane - isolationism, as a concept, has historically led countries into literal dark ages. And that was BEFORE global politics became instantaneous.

America's economy and military is so strong that the short term effect on other nations is massive, but if those other nations are still working cooperatively while the US "opts out", it will not take long at all for the US to be replaced as the world's #1 - both economically and, in turn, military. They can easily be leapfrogged in both by a united Europe and BRICS. They could legitimately hit the #3 spot, their current actions are absolute madness for the world AND for the US on its own.

[arista]

On Tues /Weds
USA meeting Russian Minster on his own.

Then
Seperate USA meeting Ukraine Minister on his own


CNN HD USA Live Feed
reports separate meetings all in Saudi Arabia


[Senior officials from U.S. President
Donald Trump’s administration will hold
separate meetings with the Russian
and Ukrainian officials in Saudi Arabia this week.]

[Cherie]

How do we know that one Zelenskyy signs anything will change, I wouldn't trust Trump at all at this point

[arista]

How do we know that one Zelenskyy signs anything will change, I wouldn't trust Trump at all at this point


Look we do not have a Choice


Trump is the President
that is speaking to Putin


Biden never done anything like this
regarding Ukraine.

[Quantum Boy]

Biden never done anything like this
regarding Ukraine.

He also didn't try to grab half of their mineral wealth.

[arista]

He also didn't try to grab half of their mineral wealth.


Of course.


But Zelensky will agree to that, now.
In order to halt the War.

[arista]

Zelensky
already in Saudi Arabia.


Ref: Ch4HDnews

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gl0z0zFWwAALZCU?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-ecc73402-e123-40c8-8239-d283a8220aa9.png

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Strange how Putin's name has all but disappeared from these discussions and the invaded have become the butt of Trump's aggression.

Preach!

[bots]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/800/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2025/3/13/677bd1e4-d053-4bba-91df-9ce7450f70bc.jpg.webp

Vladimir Putin looked and sounded belligerent during his reported visit to the Kursk region yesterday.

For the first time in years, he was dressed in military fatigues, and he ordered his troops to “completely destroy the enemy” in the region.

As everyone is looking for signs of whether he will accept the offer of a ceasefire in Ukraine, this was hardly the look and words of someone keen to send a message of peace to Kyiv.


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Doesn't look like someone ready for peace, i've never seen him wear fatigues before

[Quantum Boy]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/800/cpsprodpb/vivo/live/images/2025/3/13/677bd1e4-d053-4bba-91df-9ce7450f70bc.jpg.webp

Vladimir Putin looked and sounded belligerent during his reported visit to the Kursk region yesterday.

For the first time in years, he was dressed in military fatigues, and he ordered his troops to “completely destroy the enemy” in the region.

As everyone is looking for signs of whether he will accept the offer of a ceasefire in Ukraine, this was hardly the look and words of someone keen to send a message of peace to Kyiv.


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Doesn't look like someone ready for peace, i've never seen him wear fatigues before

Hmm. I'd add to that that he also doesn't look very well. Which is an extra worry really, not great when desperate people with less to lose hold power.

[Ammi]

…Zelenskyy, country leader fashionista of 2025 …Putin not wearing a suit either…

[arista]

Likashenko and Putin

Now Live


In Moscow

[arista]

At Last Putin Live
on the 30-day Ceasefire


He agrees with it
But is moaning about Ukraine


He is talking about the recent ground (Kursk)
Putin has taken.

[arista]

Putin has now concluded his Public Meeting

He thanked President Trump
Agrees with this Ceasefire
But wants to know, will Ukraine stop attacking Russia?


Trump also stated No Nato for Ukraine

[arista]

Trump now Live in DC

with the Nato Sec.

Nickys Ex PM