Young People should not be on Benefits : PM Starmer has stated

[arista]

This is Live Debate on Politics Live BBC2HD.

PM Starmer had a meeting
last night, it was packed.

Dianne Abbott MP was angry she could not
get in.


This is not about young people who are ill.

It is about the massive amount of young people
who Refuse to work.

[Glenn.]

Educate them better then.

[Beso]

Are striking teachers the best role models for that, Glenn

[Glenn.]

why do they strike

[Beso]

Low pay...a bad example to set the young who's pay is dictated by age.

[arista]

Disabled Charities
They are all saying it is wrong.


But to be fair
PM Starmer has yet to announce this all

[Redway]

Give them better job-opportunities, then.

[Livia]

If you want money you should work for it if you are able. I did all kinds of crappy, thankless jobs when I was young but I earned my own money. I think youngsters now want top pay for minimal input.

[user104658]

If you want people to work they need to have realistic goals to work towards. A large number of people hitting their 20's these days are stretched to the max - they have no hope of saving a deposit today, let alone planning for one in 10 years time when house prices will be even higher. Expecting people who feel hopeless to work hard is never going to work.

In fact it's worse than that; previous generations have felt hopeless... but the current situation is that we've had such a sustained period of people being told not to expect much, that they are comfortable with hopelessness. They're happy to see what the next day brings, and the next, and coast without planning. They won't have kids so they don't have to worry about it all that much. And then govts. will continue getting themselves into a panic about low birth rates and aging populations (whilst the populations that are left refuse to allow any migration to make up the shortfall ... lol).

'tis falling apart at the seams, folks. Not the country - the entire political philosophy behind modern western civilisation. It's broken :shrug:.

[Glenn.]

Low pay...a bad example to set the young who's pay is dictated by age.

The teachers need a raise then

[Crimson Dynamo]

The teachers need a raise then

they get half a year off and had 2 years off for the pLandemic

:joker:

[Beso]

The teachers need a raise then
Glenn.

And the kids need to do nothing until they do as well.:shrug:

Cause in my day as a 17-19 yr old, if you wanted anything, like a holiday in spain with your mates(that's all we had, no phones etc back then, or monthly subscriptions etc) you worked. Like Livia, I did anything, and had some great times doing the shittest things. All worth it for the drunken escapades I could have had had I not already had children. That's where my money went.

I blame covid, I really do believe its riddled or raddled everyones minds, especially the young up coming workers who would have been early or mid puberty during covid, and now working age.

[Glenn.]

Glenn.

And the kids need to do nothing until they do as well.:shrug:

Cause in my day as a 17-19 yr old, if you wanted anything, like a holiday in spain with your mates(that's all we had, no phones etc back then, or monthly subscriptions etc) you worked. Like Livia, I did anything, and had some great times doing the shittest things. All worth it for the drunken escapades I could have had had I not already had children. That's where my money went.

I blame covid, I really do believe its riddled or raddled everyones minds, especially the young up coming workers who would have been early or mid puberty during covid, and now working age.

It isn’t your day.

[Redway]

Glenn.

And the kids need to do nothing until they do as well.:shrug:

Cause in my day as a 17-19 yr old, if you wanted anything, like a holiday in spain with your mates(that's all we had, no phones etc back then, or monthly subscriptions etc) you worked. Like Livia, I did anything, and had some great times doing the shittest things. All worth it for the drunken escapades I could have had had I not already had children. That's where my money went.

I blame covid, I really do believe its riddled or raddled everyones minds, especially the young up coming workers who would have been early or mid puberty during covid, and now working age.
Ugh. Here we go. Covid-this, Covid-that. Are people not tired of peddling that line half a decade later?

[Cherie]

Ugh. Here we go. Covid-this, Covid-that. Are people not tired of peddling that line half a decade later?

You cant ignore it is a factor, people no longer want to go into the office even a few days a week is not acceptable, there is ALOT of economic inactivity in the over 50s where covid reset peoples thinking about the 9 to 5, and as for young people they just dont want to work, and as soon as they cite mental health the benefits start flowing..

[bots]

covid did change the attitudes of many people toward work, young and older alike. With good reason to, some things are more important than work, but that doesn't mean people shouldn't contribute to the country. It's about getting the right balance

In my day, we were allowed to take part time work from 14 and nearly everybody did. We worked everywhere we could doing whatever we could to earn a few quid. Those times seem to have all but gone

[Cherie]

If you want people to work they need to have realistic goals to work towards. A large number of people hitting their 20's these days are stretched to the max - they have no hope of saving a deposit today, let alone planning for one in 10 years time when house prices will be even higher. Expecting people who feel hopeless to work hard is never going to work.

In fact it's worse than that; previous generations have felt hopeless... but the current situation is that we've had such a sustained period of people being told not to expect much, that they are comfortable with hopelessness. They're happy to see what the next day brings, and the next, and coast without planning. They won't have kids so they don't have to worry about it all that much. And then govts. will continue getting themselves into a panic about low birth rates and aging populations (whilst the populations that are left refuse to allow any migration to make up the shortfall ... lol).

'tis falling apart at the seams, folks. Not the country - the entire political philosophy behind modern western civilisation. It's broken :shrug:.

Thats the thing though the inactivity is in the 18 to 24 bracket, not sure how many of those have aspirations to buy a house, going on holiday and having a good time, buying clothes but they just dont seem to need any of that, I guess the bank of Mum and Dad is picking up the tab

[Ammi]

…of course Kier Starmer has said that ‘young people should not be on benefits’ as he’s about to cut benefits…what else would he say to explain cuts as being the way forward and how many individual cases has he looked into etc…

[Cherie]

…of course Kier Starmer has said that ‘young people should not be on benefits’ as he’s about to cut benefits…what else would he say to explain cuts as being the way forward and how many individual cases has he looked into etc…

From what I can gather they are going to cut benefits to the cohort who cannot actively look for work, like kids who need to be tube fed and are paraplegic....while leaving the benefits for those who can actively seek work alone, that make alot of sense

[Mystic Mock]

Educate them better then.

This.

[Ammi]

From what I can gather they are going to cut benefits to the cohort who cannot actively look for work, like kids who need to be tube fed and are paraplegic....while leaving the benefits for those who can actively seek work alone, that make alot of sense

…oh I didn’t mean that those were specifically the benefits that were going to be targeted…/…those of young people…it’s more of a typical distraction and look over here type tactic when an unpopular government decision is being made, the discussions are directed elsewhere by the politicians…

[Mystic Mock]

You cant ignore it is a factor, people no longer want to go into the office even a few days a week is not acceptable, there is ALOT of economic inactivity in the over 50s where covid reset peoples thinking about the 9 to 5, and as for young people they just dont want to work, and as soon as they cite mental health the benefits start flowing..

Covid is used as a comfort blanket to the fact that society in this country has had major problems since 2016.

Economically speaking it probably started in 2008.

[bots]

there are all sorts of reasons for people not working. There isn't a solution that fits all, there never is, and the government knows it. The electorate is being played

[Ammi]

there are all sorts of reasons for people not working. There isn't a solution that fits all, there never is, and the government knows it. The electorate is being played

…the world is generally quite unsteady atm…although there are no conscription plans right now, it’s something that some countries are considering and these kind of comments from a country leader also keep those seeds planted as well…

[thesheriff443]

From what I can gather they are going to cut benefits to the cohort who cannot actively look for work, like kids who need to be tube fed and are paraplegic....while leaving the benefits for those who can actively seek work alone, that make alot of sense

You are being spoon fed bull sh1t

Like the pensioners got looked after, not

They will target any one and as usual the most vulnerable will get abused

[bots]

…the world is generally quite unsteady atm…although there are no conscription plans right now, it’s something that some countries are considering and these kind of comments from a country leader also keep those seeds planted as well…

All we can do literally, is keep our fingers crossed on conscription. I know the effect being called up for the 2nd world war had on my Dad and it was eye opening. The interesting thing is that he never talked about it until he was old, when he realised how much of his youth had been taken from him and how little peoples sacrifice actually mattered

[thesheriff443]

People are soon to forget those that killed themselves when their benefits got stopped
The governments are scum

[thesheriff443]

Stop spending millions on immigrants that have no right to be in the country and take care of your people

This country is fked

[bots]

immigrants aren't the problem, illegal immigrants are, but every body wants to fudge that very important detail for their own agendas

[thesheriff443]

immigrants aren't the problem, illegal immigrants are, but every body wants to fudge that very important detail for their own agendas

You can’t help forget about legal immigrants when every single day illegal immigrants evade this country

[Mystic Mock]

All we can do literally, is keep our fingers crossed on conscription. I know the effect being called up for the 2nd world war had on my Dad and it was eye opening. The interesting thing is that he never talked about it until he was old, when he realised how much of his youth had been taken from him and how little peoples sacrifice actually mattered

Nobody should want conscription.

[arista]

Nobody should want conscription.


Make it a Law.

Arrested for not going to the 1st appointment.


That will make a Great deal of them get in there................

Of Course, any who are Mentally Ill
and have a Doctor's Form
will not be called .

[Mystic Mock]

Make it a Law.

Arrested for not going to the 1st appointment.


That will make a Great deal of them get in there................

Of Course, any who are Mentally Ill
and have a Doctor's Form
will not be called .

Forcing young people against their will is not a thing that I personally will support.

Unless of course we were in a World War scenario.

[Cherie]

You are being spoon fed bull sh1t

Like the pensioners got looked after, not

They will target any one and as usual the most vulnerable will get abused

You dont think kids in wheelchairs who cant feed themselves are the most vulnerable?

what bullshit am I being spoon fed, I am relaying what I have read that they are going to target the most vulnerable on benefits, not sure what your point is at all apart from have a contrary opinion

[Cherie]

People are soon to forget those that killed themselves when their benefits got stopped
The governments are scum


Nobody so far on this thread has said cutting benefits is a good thing? nobody is forgetting anything

[thesheriff443]

[/B]

You dont think kids in wheelchairs who cant feed themselves are the most vulnerable?

what bullshit am I being spoon fed, I am relaying what I have read that they are going to target the most vulnerable on benefits, not sure what your point is at all apart from have a contrary opinion

From experience
The lady I met at a pip interview/ interrogation for my daughter
She had no hand and they wanted in to see if things had changed

She said I s not like my fking hand as grew back

You are more than willing to to believe the most vulnerable won’t be targeted

[Cherie]

From experience
The lady I met at a pip interview/ interrogation for my daughter
She had no hand and they wanted in to see if things had changed

She said I s not like my fking hand as grew back

You are more than willing to to believe the most vulnerable won’t be targeted

What part of the following makes you think that, maybe read and absorb before you start making wild accusations, you constantly tell me what I am allegedly thinking and I am kinda sick of it

From what I can gather they are going to cut benefits to the cohort who cannot actively look for work, like kids who need to be tube fed and are paraplegic....

I then said...makes sense in a sarcastic way, its not like cutting their benefits is suddenly going to make them work ready....:facepalm:

[Cherie]

Starmer dodged the question from Ed Davey when asked if Labour would not cut benefits to those who have limited work capability..

[thesheriff443]

Starmer dodged the question from Ed Davey when asked if Labour would not cut benefits to those who have limited work capability..

Of course the scum bag wouldn’t

[user104658]

From experience
The lady I met at a pip interview/ interrogation for my daughter
She had no hand and they wanted in to see if things had changed

She said I s not like my fking hand as grew back

You are more than willing to to believe the most vulnerable won’t be targeted

I agree sheriff, unfortunately my youngest can't and won't ever have a job, she's not "that sort of disabled", and while I don't think on assessment anyone would reasonably think she could work, but nonetheless there will DEFINITELY be extra red tape and more hoops to jump through which we could do without - especially as she finds any interaction from strangers distressing in the first place.

[Ammi]

I agree sheriff, unfortunately my youngest can't and won't ever have a job, she's not "that sort of disabled", and while I don't think on assessment anyone would reasonably think she could work, but nonetheless there will DEFINITELY be extra red tape and more hoops to jump through which we could do without - especially as she finds any interaction from strangers distressing in the first place.


…and it’s also more difficult and more of a struggle to get a diagnosis for a child because an autism diagnosis for instance will lead to extra funding/support being provided for the child and parents/depending on their specific needs…and as you know through having personal experience, early diagnosis in a child without that struggle and delays etc is so, so important ….

[arista]

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[Gusto Brunt]

I know two people on benefits.

One is aged 43 and gets just under £400 per MONTH on Universal Credit. He has to provide proof each month he is looking for work.

The other one is aged 28 and on some kind of disability benefits but goes running every day and I always see him laughing so I don't know what his disability is that stops him looking for work. I'm told by a friend of another friend he's on £375 PER WEEK and doesn't have to look for work.

Not sure why he needs more money than the other guy but nothing adds up.

[Glenn.]

I know two people on benefits.

One is aged 43 and gets just under £400 per MONTH on Universal Credit. He has to provide proof each month he is looking for work.

The other one is aged 28 and on some kind of disability benefits but goes running every day and I always see him laughing so I don't know what his disability is that stops him looking for work. I'm told by a friend of another friend he's on £375 PER WEEK and doesn't have to look for work.

Not sure why he needs more money than the other guy but nothing adds up.

Not all disabilities are visible. Not sure why him laughing is considered out of the ordinary.
It’s people’s entitlement to know everything about someone in situations like this.
Unless it concerns you, it’s best to keep it out of your business.

[arista]

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[arista]

PM Starmer Now Live


Yorkshire


Less Red Tape

[arista]

Now taking a Question
from a stage 4 cancer fella
seated.


Cutting Red Tape
and duplication
PM Starmer states

Live on SkyNewsHD


25% to be cut from the Regulation


BBC think a studio chat is better?

[arista]

Now Media Questions

[user104658]

The thing is this is nothing really new for Labour - I've been a "jobseeker" precisely once in my life for around 5-6 months (leaving Uni in early 20's, jobless and with a kid on the way lol) but I was just-so-lucky-enough that the timeframe coincided with the pre-2009 Labour govt.'s "New Deal" scheme. It was absolutely fkn horrible. An absolute shambles. I was absolutely ecstatic to get out of there and into any work (which at the time was weekend cashier at the bookies - boy did I not expect that to eventually be 10 years of my life :joker: ). Anyway my point really - I think some would take this as "evidence" that these things "encourage" people to get into work, but I only did "New Deal" for 3-4 weeks before I got out, and I was already slipping badly into hopelessness/frustration/not a good mental state. I consider myself lucky that I only got a "glimpse" of that world. If I'd been there for months? I reckon each passing week would have made it less likely that I'd be suitable for work, not more.

[arista]

[An absolute shambles.]

Yes PM Starmer
knows that.

That's why he is changing all this.


£70Billion Welfare Bill
He just stated it's on the way.

[arista]

Chris Hope
GBnewsHD

Asked
is he going to send young people to War?



PM Starmer
said it must be peace.

[Note Russia has already stated
No British Troops in Ukraine, Deal is Off if that happens]

[arista]

Another Reporter
Chucked in

If Technology is so good?
How come two massive Ships Collided


PM Starmer said :
Concerning the two ships
One arrest and they are looking into it.

[arista]

PM Starmer has now Concluded.

An American Lady Boss thanked him

[arista]

PM Starmer is Stopping NHS Duplication

[Livia]

Chris Hope
GBnewsHD

Asked
is he going to send young people to War?



PM Starmer
said it must be peace.

[Note Russia has already stated
No British Troops in Ukraine, Deal is Off if that happens]

And yet Russia is using foreign troops. I don't think that puts them in a good position to call the shots.

[user104658]

[Note Russia has already stated
No British Troops in Ukraine, Deal is Off if that happens]

I think this is less about numbers, and more because of the potential for escalation if they "accidentally" kill a load of British troops.

[arista]

And yet Russia is using foreign troops. I don't think that puts them in a good position to call the shots.


Yes North Korean
pushed up the front line.


I assume it's Trump who views Russia
as the Big Nation.
That's why they can call the shots
He even stated today as "Good Things"
as what Putin said...............