Do you guys think Football is too woke now? Based on Maqwell's YouTube video.

[Mystic Mock]

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What are your opinions about this?

To me I don't really see why some people get so angry at seeing an LGBT armband or flag, I think that you can easily ignore them if they bother you.

I am probably seen as an anti-Woke person to some people depending on the topic, so I'm not someone that's without any sympathy towards everything that the Anti-Woke crowd argues against.

I just personally can't understand or support the anti-LGBT stuff.

[bots]

football follows the money. We are kidding ourselves if we think its anything else. Sponsors will change, politics will change and football will follow along

[Crimson Dynamo]

woke far left ideology has no place in sport

[joeysteele]

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What are your opinions about this?

To me I don't really see why some people get so angry at seeing an LGBT armband or flag, I think that you can easily ignore them if they bother you.

I am probably seen as an anti-Woke person to some people depending on the topic, so I'm not someone that's without any sympathy towards everything that the Anti-Woke crowd argues against.

I just personally can't understand or support the anti-LGBT stuff.

I've really nothing to add to your post.
I agree with it all.

Your last line particularly is wholly appropriate in my view

[Mystic Mock]

woke far left ideology has no place in sport

Is a flag far left ideology though?

[Nicky91]

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What are your opinions about this?

To me I don't really see why some people get so angry at seeing an LGBT armband or flag, I think that you can easily ignore them if they bother you.

I am probably seen as an anti-Woke person to some people depending on the topic, so I'm not someone that's without any sympathy towards everything that the Anti-Woke crowd argues against.

I just personally can't understand or support the anti-LGBT stuff.

yes


especially with fake footballers like Xavi Simons, whom are more overpaid influencers

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is a flag far left ideology though?

It’s the flag of a new "leftist" identitarian establishment that is determined to let the little people know whose ideas rule in the 21st century. Its used by them to pinkwash global businesses. Look here at our flag but not at us making billions etc

its political and ideology and has NO place in football

[bots]

politics is in sport, it has been upfront and centre for at least 10 years. There is no going back now

[Glenn.]

It’s only weak fragile men that seem to be triggered by anything related to LGBTQ. This is proven over and over.

Sport itself in the grand scheme of things is completely irrelevant in terms of things that actually matter. It’s a hobby. One that people take way too seriously.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It’s a hobby.

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This is the worst take ever

[Glenn.]

See example of fragile man

[bots]

It’s only weak fragile men that seem to be triggered by anything related to LGBTQ. This is proven over and over.

Sport itself in the grand scheme of things is completely irrelevant in terms of things that actually matter. It’s a hobby. One that people take way too seriously.

it's £60 for a child to go and watch Man U play, of course they take it seriously. Billions are spent by clubs in europe every year on players. Nothing could be further from a hobby

[Glenn.]

it's £60 for a child to go and watch Man U play, of course they take it seriously. Billions are spent by clubs in europe every year on players. Nothing could be further from a hobby

If you’re sad enough to be paying that to watch 22 guys kick a football around then that’s on you. Definitely a hobby. An exploited one.

[Beso]

It’s only weak fragile men that seem to be triggered by anything related to LGBTQ. This is proven over and over.

Sport itself in the grand scheme of things is completely irrelevant in terms of things that actually matter. It’s a hobby. One that people take way too seriously.

And all those weak fragile women wanting their private spaces back. Dont forget them.

[Glenn.]

And all those weak fragile women wanting their private spaces back. Dont forget them.

Which isn’t as big a problem as you’ve been led to believe.

[Beso]

Which isn’t as big a problem as you’ve been led to believe.

Problems don't have to be big to be a problem.


Take attacks on the LGBT community for instance..Its not really a big problem, is it.

[Glenn.]

Ok I’ll say it’s an issue that’s been extremely exaggerated by the far right. The same ones that are triggered by a flag.

[Beso]

Ok I’ll say it’s an issue that’s been extremely exaggerated by the far right. The same ones that are triggered by a flag.

Like attacks on the LGBT community. It's not that big a problem is it.:shrug:

[Glenn.]

Problems don't have to be big to be a problem.


Take attacks on the LGBT community for instance..Its not really a big problem, is it.

Lmao not biting mate. To me, you don’t have an opinion worth listening too.

[Beso]

Lmao not biting mate. To me, you don’t have an opinion worth listening too.



Oh!

Thank you for all the replies, I guess!.:cheer2:

[Glenn.]

So anyway

[Liam-]

Football isn’t ‘woke’ at all, the fan base is just made of a large portion of smooth brain morons that hates anything different to them

[Niamh.]

I do agree that Political stuff like this should not be in Sport, I also think the Poppy shouldn't be forced on players either. That's not to say players shouldn't be allowed to use their platforms to talk about whatever cause they want to in their own time but making the players wear arm bands etc with those symbols on while at work or be ridiculed for refusing is wrong, they're there to play football and shouldn't be coerced into wearing something they don't want to for whatever reason.

[Beso]

The poppy is worn to remember all the footballers who have died in conflict.

It should always be worn.

If you are refusing to do that, then **** off and become a chef or something.

[Niamh.]

The poppy is worn to remember all the footballers who have died in conflict.

It should always be worn.

If you are refusing to do that, then **** off and become a chef or something.

So political messages are OK when you agree with them? Got it.

[Beso]

So political messages are OK when you agree with them? Got it.

It's not a political message.:joker:

[Glenn.]

So political messages are OK when you agree with them? Got it.

Parm would give away half the country if we were invaded. Said so himself. Wouldn’t pay that much attention to his patriotic nonsense.

[Beso]

What parm said was, he would give up the whole nation if it kept his family safe.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It’s only weak fragile men



Football isn’t ‘woke’ at all, the fan base is just made of a large portion of smooth brain morons that hates anything different to them



such aggression, calm down lads its only a game :shrug:

[Glenn.]

The mere fact you thought that was aggressive kinda proves my point :joker:

[Crimson Dynamo]

No need to snap, lets keep the discourse friendly

no need to get another thread shut down

[Glenn.]

The baity threads do need to stop

[bots]

Rangers have described the display by supporters of an anti-woke banner at their Europa League game against Fenerbahce - and which has led to a disciplinary charge from Uefa - as "shameful" and "embarrassing".

The Scottish Premiership club also hit out at the throwing of objects on to the pitch, and the continued use of pyrotechnics, saying fans who carry out such acts are not welcome at their matches.

While thanking most supporters for their recent backing during games against the Turkish side and Celtic, Rangers state, external it is "deeply saddening and frankly embarrassing that the club is now set to face significant sanctions for the actions of a very small minority".

The banner displayed at Ibrox during Thursday's aggregate win over Fenerbahce stated: "Keep woke foreign ideologies out - defend Europe."

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[Crimson Dynamo]

Rangers have described the display by supporters of an anti-woke banner at their Europa League game against Fenerbahce - and which has led to a disciplinary charge from Uefa - as "shameful" and "embarrassing".

The Scottish Premiership club also hit out at the throwing of objects on to the pitch, and the continued use of pyrotechnics, saying fans who carry out such acts are not welcome at their matches.

While thanking most supporters for their recent backing during games against the Turkish side and Celtic, Rangers state, external it is "deeply saddening and frankly embarrassing that the club is now set to face significant sanctions for the actions of a very small minority".

The banner displayed at Ibrox during Thursday's aggregate win over Fenerbahce stated: "Keep woke foreign ideologies out - defend Europe."

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significant sanctions

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[Mystic Mock]

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This is the worst take ever

Tbf, Glenn's right that Sport is a hobby from a viewers perspective.

Admittedly it's less so for the Athletes themselves.

[Mystic Mock]

It's not a political message.:joker:

It kind of is tbf.

[Mystic Mock]

The baity threads do need to stop

It wasn't my intention for any arguments to breakout on here.

Admittedly I did make the thread title a bit clickbaity to get the topic some attention, but I am still hoping for the discussion to be civil on both sides.:fc:

But yeah, I like my conflict more on TV rather than on here or irl personally.

[Nicky91]

i mean i myself am fed up about the whole anti-turkiye haters against my team Fortuna Sittard, especially on certain forums in my nation, they have quite a xenophobic title for their club thread :idc:


i am happy with our current owner Isitan Gun, well co-owner, since Azerion also have shares here


he also doesn't cause controversies with throwing too much money into the club, which the KNVB doesn't like, we are on their radar tbh, so we need to be careful not to turn into a Vitesse 2.0 but thankfully our director of football Americo Branco is quite creative in finding free agents, players with expiring contracts




but honestly, haters gonna keep hating, and we are solidly in a 8th place this season, even still very much in with a chance european ticket play offs



also the atmosphere from our fans is one of the competitions best i think, even our away fans, never cause too many problems unlike the hooligans from Ajax, Feyenoord, PSV or ADO Den Haag

[Nicky91]

btw we even have someone famous among our hardcore fans

top road cyclist Tom Dumoulin, and he is not even from Sittard, but from Maastricht, but he is a hardcore fortuna fan, with scarf and everything :cool:

[Cherie]

Rangers have described the display by supporters of an anti-woke banner at their Europa League game against Fenerbahce - and which has led to a disciplinary charge from Uefa - as "shameful" and "embarrassing".

The Scottish Premiership club also hit out at the throwing of objects on to the pitch, and the continued use of pyrotechnics, saying fans who carry out such acts are not welcome at their matches.

While thanking most supporters for their recent backing during games against the Turkish side and Celtic, Rangers state, external it is "deeply saddening and frankly embarrassing that the club is now set to face significant sanctions for the actions of a very small minority".

The banner displayed at Ibrox during Thursday's aggregate win over Fenerbahce stated: "Keep woke foreign ideologies out - defend Europe."

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LT exposed

[Beso]

It kind of is tbf.

It is if you make a point not wearing one when you are in the public eye.


But other than that there is nothing political about wearing a badge to commemorate the war dead.

[bots]

just about everything in life is a political message and when you get a large group that collects together to support or attack a message, then it most certainly is political

[Mystic Mock]

It is if you make a point not wearing one when you are in the public eye.


But other than that there is nothing political about wearing a badge to commemorate the war dead.

Wearing the Poppy or not is a Political statement either way.

For most people anyway, you might get the odd person that just forgets to wear one due to stressful things being on their mind.

But that isn't the majority.

[Beso]

Wearing the Poppy or not is a Political statement either way.

For most people anyway, you might get the odd person that just forgets to wear one due to stressful things being on their mind.

But that isn't the majority.

Pray tell what the political msg is, or what side of the political spectrum the poppy lays..


Or just keep reciting to yourself that wearing one is political until you realise how daft it sounds.

[bots]

The whole poppy thing is political. It's the government begging for money to look after our ex servicemen rather than funding it directly from the government coffers. I don't think anything could be more political than that

[Mystic Mock]

Pray tell what the political msg is, or what side of the political spectrum the poppy lays..


Or just keep reciting to yourself that wearing one is political until you realise how daft it sounds.

Well the fact that the Poppy's existence is largely owed to two World Wars is proof that it has political elements as to why someone would wear it in the first place.

Don't get me wrong I am not an anti-Poppy person, but there is political reasons as to why someone would choose to wear one, and like a lot of political messages there is a lot of societal pressure that you do have to wear one, otherwise you're the devil incarnate in some people's eyes.

I get that it's a message that you personally agree with (I personally have no issues with that,) but if an LGBT flag is political (which it is tbf) then how is the Poppy also not political?

[Mystic Mock]

The whole poppy thing is political. It's the government begging for money to look after our ex servicemen rather than funding it directly from the government coffers. I don't think anything could be more political than that

Your post explained it a lot better than mine did.

I'm really bad at explaining my point on here sometimes, especially this morning for some reason.:laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Your post explained it a lot better than mine did.

I'm really bad at explaining my point on here sometimes, especially this morning for some reason.:laugh:

Mock, I have told you before. 3 pints of Guinness does not constitute a good breakfast:nono:

(you should also have a slice of toast)

[Beso]

The whole poppy thing is political. It's the government begging for money to look after our ex servicemen rather than funding it directly from the government coffers. I don't think anything could be more political than that

A charity called the royal british legion, provide and sell the poppies. All money goes to service personnel who need it..


Does the government own the RBL?



No, the government does not own the Royal British Legion; it is a charity governed by a Board of Trustees.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
Independent Charity:
The Royal British Legion (RBL) is a registered charity, meaning it is an independent organization that relies on donations and fundraising efforts to support its work.
Board of Trustees:
The RBL is governed by a Board of Trustees, who are responsible for the overall management and control of the charity.
Patronage:
The RBL is honored to have His Majesty King Charles III as its Patron.
Purpose:
The RBL provides financial, social, and emotional support to members and veterans of the British Armed Forces, their families, and dependants.
Campaigning Organization:
The Legion is also a campaigning organization that promotes the welfare and interests of current and former members of the British Armed Forces.

[Redway]

]woke far left ideology[/B] has no place in sport

And that's what an LGBT-armband is?

[Crimson Dynamo]

And that's what an LGBT-armband is?

correct

I am glad we agree

[Redway]

correct

I am glad we agree

How did you arrive at that conclusion? Is it a crime of ultra-wokeness to support LGBT folk?

[Glenn.]

How did you arrive at that conclusion? Is it a crime of ultra-wokeness to support LGBT folk?

Correct!

[Redway]

Imagine being someone who thinks whisky constitutes a fine breakfast, 2 days off a week is too many, cannabis is more destructive than alcohol and being a gay footballer or in demonstrable support of it is too woke.

[Glenn.]

Snowflake

[Crimson Dynamo]

Imagine being someone who thinks whisky constitutes a fine breakfast, 2 days off a week is too many, cannabis is more destructive than alcohol and being a gay footballer or in demonstrable support of it is too woke.

which gay football player are you aware of in the English prem?

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[Redway]

which gay football player are you aware of in the English prem?

https://media4.giphy.com/media/B4RrHvfGPKTMrJzlzO/giphy_s.gif?cid=6c09b952g3l7ere3zfqxjd6zu7pbqjm1wm ylsgpp2xl6l0wu&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=giphy_s.gif&ct=g

What, you think every LGBT footballer is out?

[Crimson Dynamo]

What, you think every LGBT footballer is out?

I will take that as a no

cheers

[Redway]

No but imagine genuinely being that ignorant.

[Mystic Mock]

Mock, I have told you before. 3 pints of Guinness does not constitute a good breakfast:nono:

(you should also have a slice of toast)

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I do like Brown Sauce on Toast.:drool: