Deport all foreign criminals, says Labour MP

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2025/03/25/TELEMMGLPICT000417656313_17428957079530_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqjWK47m23_UgeI1vLwYMoBGzcfDesOXGSbZLbZfFNpn g.jpeg?imwidth=700

Ministers should set aside the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) and deport foreign criminals, a Labour MP has said.

Jonathan Brash, the MP for Hartlepool, said the Government should exercise its “perfectly legitimate” right to deport criminals by saying ECHR Article 8 rights to a family life do not apply in such cases.

He is thought to be the first Labour MP to publicly declare that the Government should ignore the ECHR in order to return convicted foreign criminals back to their home countries.

Many have used (exploited) Article 8 of the ECHR, which protects the right to respect for private and family life.

A Pakistani paedophile, who was jailed for child sex offences but escaped removal from the UK as it would be “unduly harsh” on his children.

Sri Lankan sex offender allowed to stay in Britain because he is gay
Paedophile described as ‘danger to community’ argues deportation would breach his rights under ECHR

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/03/25/deport-all-foreign-criminals-says-labour-mp-attack-echr/

[Quantum Boy]

In principle I think countries should deal with their own criminals. I have some hesitance if deporting is effectively a death sentence, mostly because it'll become a slippery slope argument - i.e. if we'll deport knowing a death sentence is likely, why not just have our own death sentence.

Of course...

Not here for any hypocrisy on this sort of policy. If we're going to deport criminals to their country of origin, then we have to accept British criminals detained abroad to be sent back to the UK. Which includes for example, Shamima Begum. But we already know how many TiBBers feel about that argument, from multiple threads.

I can see there being plenty of "We don't want your criminals but we don't want you to send us ours!" with very little self-awareness of the entitlement involved in that.

[bots]

i think in the UK it's just a method for lawyers to make more money. There would be years of appeals for each case and the cost is all going in one direction

[Niamh.]

In principle I think countries should deal with their own criminals. I have some hesitance if deporting is effectively a death sentence, mostly because it'll become a slippery slope argument - i.e. if we'll deport knowing a death sentence is likely, why not just have our own death sentence.

Of course...

Not here for any hypocrisy on this sort of policy. If we're going to deport criminals to their country of origin, then we have to accept British criminals detained abroad to be sent back to the UK. Which includes for example, Shamima Begum. But we already know how many TiBBers feel about that argument, from multiple threads.

I can see there being plenty of "We don't want your criminals but we don't want you to send us ours!" with very little self-awareness of the entitlement involved in that.

Yep exactly. I also agree that criminals should be deported but fair is fair.

[Crimson Dynamo]

i think in the UK it's just a method for lawyers to make more money. There would be years of appeals for each case and the cost is all going in one direction

the ECHR is just a money making exercise for the legal trade

[bots]

the ECHR is just a money making exercise for the legal trade

labour won't come out of the ECHR, having been very vocal in criticizing the tories for making moves. However this is "new" labour, i suppose anything is possible :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

In 2023 a Gambian man who raped a woman at knifepoint was allowed to
remain in the UK. He had arrived on a visitor visa in 2007 and spent the next
15 years dealing drugs in Edinburgh. Despite laws that state foreign nationals
convicted in our courts should be deported, he successfully argued he should be
allowed to stay on human rights grounds. A tribunal found that, if returned to
his home country, he would ‘experience genuine difficulties being able to access
a regular supply of his necessary medications’. He would also face a ‘real risk
of social -isolation and stigmatisation’ given that he’s a rapist.

[arista]

Yes
Labours
Jonathan Brash MP.

Joining what the Conservatives
and Reform UK demand

[Livia]

the ECHR is just a money making exercise for the legal trade

Ain't that the truth...

[Quantum Boy]

Ain't that the truth...

As you'll know Livia the money "generated" by cases involving the ECHR are an absolute pittance when compared to areas like corporate law, real eastate law, intellectual property law and litigation ... so no it's obviously not the truth. In fact it's a nonsensical claim. Because it's simply not where the money is. It is, in fact, a piss poor example of a revenue stream for the legal trade.

Being made out to be a pot of gold. :idc: come on now.

[Livia]

As you'll know Livia the money "generated" by cases involving the ECHR are an absolute pittance when compared to areas like corporate law, real eastate law, intellectual property law and litigation ... so no it's obviously not the truth. In fact it's a nonsensical claim. Because it's simply not where the money is. It is, in fact, a piss poor example of a revenue stream for the legal trade.

Being made out to be a pot of gold. :idc: come on now.

Yet another area where you've set yourself up as an expert. YOU come on now...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yet another area where you've set yourself up as an expert. YOU come on now...

He will be blaming it all on "the billionaires" next :laugh:

[Quantum Boy]

Yet another area where you've set yourself up as an expert. YOU come on now...

No attempt at an actual counterpoint though? No? Shocked.

[Quantum Boy]

He will be blaming it all on "the billionaires" next :laugh:

Blaming what on the billionares.

[Livia]

He will be blaming it all on "the billionaires" next :laugh:

I can barely wait for the next self-indulgent pontification while he calls us all fools.

[Quantum Boy]

I can barely wait for the next self-indulgent pontification while he calls us all fools.

Luckily for you, it's highly unlikely to be long before there's an opportunity :hee:.

[Crimson Dynamo]

A convicted Iranian sex offender has avoided deportation because drink and drug use have
made him distrust authority.

Judges said the Iranian would be likely to behave in a “hostile” way if questioned by
airport immigration officers in Tehran, because of his distrust of officialdom.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Should Britain pull out of the European Convention on Human Rights?


Yes 91%


No 9%

Total votes: 208,247

[Quantum Boy]

Should Britain pull out of the European Convention on Human Rights?


Yes 91%


No 9%

Total votes: 208,247

Daily Telegraph poll :joker: only a fool would consider a poll taken by a publication with a clear established leaning to have any relevance to general public sentiment.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Daily Telegraph poll :joker: only a fool would consider a poll taken by a publication with a clear established leaning to have any relevance to general public sentiment.

I am glad you found it relevant

:hee:

[bots]

isn't the telegraph categorised as MSM?

[Crimson Dynamo]

isn't the telegraph categorised as MSM?

I would say so but not their readers, they like you are members of the public

[bots]

but the readers will have been indoctrinated by reading the fake MSM, which makes their responses trash. We also don't know the veracity of the poll results. Were all the responses an AI bot?

[Crimson Dynamo]

but the readers will have been indoctrinated by reading the fake MSM, which makes their responses trash. We also don't know the veracity of the poll results. Were all the responses an AI bot?

I guess you could contact the DT and let us know what you find out, cheers

[bots]

I guess you could contact the DT and let us know what you find out, cheers

why would i do that, i don't believe their poll, you are the one quoting it

[Crimson Dynamo]

why would i do that, i don't believe their poll, you are the one quoting it

Why do you think you have to believe it?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lucy Connolly has been jailed for 31 months in UK after calling for hotels housing asylum
seekers to be torched in a ironic social media post. Fake asylum seeker beats two women and
sexually abuses them and doesn't even serve a day in prison because the judge justifies it
by saying he has no friends in UK.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GnDQW3gXkAAMzuu?format=jpg&name=smallhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/GnDQW3iWcAA_2-N?format=jpg&name=360x360

[arista]

Lucy Connolly has been jailed for 31 months in UK after calling for hotels housing asylum
seekers to be torched in a ironic social media post. Fake asylum seeker beats two women and
sexually abuses them and doesn't even serve a day in prison because the judge justifies it
by saying he has no friends in UK.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GnDQW3gXkAAMzuu?format=jpg&name=smallhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/GnDQW3iWcAA_2-N?format=jpg&name=360x360


Yes LT
it stinks.

[Livia]

Women need to start arming themselves.

[Oliver_W]

Should Britain pull out of the European Convention on Human Rights?


Yes 91%


No 9%

Total votes: 208,247

Daily Telegraph poll :joker: only a fool would consider a poll taken by a publication with a clear established leaning to have any relevance to general public sentiment.
The only time we generally hear about the ECHR is when it's stopping migrants from being deported - and that may well be selective reporting, especially from certain tabloids who might run certain polls.