JoJo getting off lightly?

[Father Chris Mouse]

All this flirting, and touchy feelyness with Chris, can't be nice to see for her partner? Any time the issue is raised during L&L it's usually shut down because she's "gay". The HL shows are pretty tame too, they leave out about 90% of their intimate interactions. Regular live feed watchers will know their relationship is a lot more intimate than what we see on the nightly HL's. I mean, just a recent example, JoJo rubbing Chris' inner thigh when they were in the hot tub together the other night. Sorry, but how is that platonic? Ali was saying last night "well JoJo identifies as a gay women, and she's set clear boundaries with Chris, and that he's always the one coming on and jokingly shut down". That's clearly not the case!

I know it's a touchy subject, but i think it's pretty obvious she fancies Chris, as he does her. They are literally all over each other, just last night they were in bed together, Chris between her legs, her rubbing his shoulders and chest. I dunno, it must be awful for her partner to witness.

People will say "she's gay, end off" but i think it's a bit more complex than that tbh. I don't know how much more obvious it could be that she fancies him.

[Zizu]

All this flirting, and touchy feelyness with Chris, can't be nice to see for her partner? Any time the issue is raised during L&L it's usually shut down because she's "gay". The HL shows are pretty tame too, they leave out about 90% of their intimate interactions. Regular live feed watchers will know their relationship is a lot more intimate than what we see on the nightly HL's. I mean, just a recent example, JoJo rubbing Chris' inner thigh when they were in the hot tub together the other night. Sorry, but how is that platonic? Ali was saying last night "well JoJo identifies as a gay women, and she's set clear boundaries with Chris, and that he's always the one coming on and jokingly shut down". That's clearly not the case!

I know it's a touchy subject, but i think it's pretty obvious she fancies Chris, as he does her. They are literally all over each other, just last night they were in bed together, Chris between her legs, her rubbing his shoulders and chest. I dunno, it must be awful for her partner to witness.

People will say "she's gay, end off" but i think it's a bit more complex than that tbh. I don't know how much more obvious it could be that she fancies him.


I reckon her girlfriend will give her a friendly ‘choke out’ as a gentle warning

[arista]

Swan, she is only 21

Chris is much older

[Father Chris Mouse]

Swan, she is only 21

Chris is much older

I guess so.

[Zizu]

Swan, she is only 21

Chris is much older


10 years older

[Rustic bauble]

Swan, she is only 21

Chris is much older


She comes across very confident in herself…she knows exactly what she is doing.
Ali defending a fellow lesbian….she wouldn’t have behaved like that in the house in full knowledge that it would have offended her girlfriend :shrug:

[In the Drunk Tank]

I understand the sentiment behind people not wanting to invalidate her sexuality etc but she is still young, she has dated men before and she did previously identify as pansexual I believe. She's also said she's not sure about her gender identity so there could definitely be some all round confusion there. It shouldn't be fully off limits to say that. Plus she's also spoken quite sympathetically about polygamy

[Ray.]

She comes across very confident in herself…she knows exactly what she is doing.
Ali defending a fellow lesbian….she wouldn’t have behaved like that in the house in full knowledge that it would have offended her girlfriend :shrug:

Ali always starts with the premise that the woman is invariably the wronged party in some way, and then works her way backwards from there in order to make the evidence fit her conclusion.

[Father Chris Mouse]

I understand the sentiment behind people not wanting to invalidate her sexuality etc but she is still young, she has dated men before and she did previously identify as pansexual I believe. She's also said she's not sure about her gender identity so there could definitely be some all round confusion there. It shouldn't be fully off limits to say that. Plus she's also spoken quite sympathetically about polygamy

Yeah, crazy how quickly people want to shut those down questioning her relationship with Chris. Still they'll be the ones with egg on their faces. It's quite obvious she's sexually attracted to Chris. Her partner is probably low key mortified by what's she's seeing. The HL shows play it down, as do L&L, but the live feed every night paints a completely different picture.

[In the Drunk Tank]

Yeah, crazy how quickly people want to shut those down questioning her relationship with Chris. Still they'll be the ones with egg on their faces. It's quite obvious she's sexually attracted to Chris. Her partner is probably low key mortified by what's she's seeing. The HL shows play it down, as do L&L, but the live feed every night paints a completely different picture.

Also she's only been in a new relationship for a matter of months and her partner lives on the other side of the world, it's not like they've been together for years

[Father Chris Mouse]

Also she's only been in a new relationship for a matter of months and her partner lives on the other side of the world, it's not like they've been together for years

Yeah, maybe her partner is keeping her mouth shut on this for obvious reasons, $.

[Zizu]

I understand the sentiment behind people not wanting to invalidate her sexuality etc but she is still young, she has dated men before and she did previously identify as pansexual I believe. She's also said she's not sure about her gender identity so there could definitely be some all round confusion there. It shouldn't be fully off limits to say that. Plus she's also spoken quite sympathetically about polygamy


Maybe she’s spent too long with her LGBT friends and non binary / pan sexual guys so when she’s spent time with a normal , straight guy in Chris … it’s actually blown her mind to what she’s possibly been missing

[joeysteele]

All this flirting, and touchy feelyness with Chris, can't be nice to see for her partner? Any time the issue is raised during L&L it's usually shut down because she's "gay". The HL shows are pretty tame too, they leave out about 90% of their intimate interactions. Regular live feed watchers will know their relationship is a lot more intimate than what we see on the nightly HL's. I mean, just a recent example, JoJo rubbing Chris' inner thigh when they were in the hot tub together the other night. Sorry, but how is that platonic? Ali was saying last night "well JoJo identifies as a gay women, and she's set clear boundaries with Chris, and that he's always the one coming on and jokingly shut down". That's clearly not the case!

I know it's a touchy subject, but i think it's pretty obvious she fancies Chris, as he does her. They are literally all over each other, just last night they were in bed together, Chris between her legs, her rubbing his shoulders and chest. I dunno, it must be awful for her partner to witness.

People will say "she's gay, end off" but i think it's a bit more complex than that tbh. I don't know how much more obvious it could be that she fancies him.


I think JoJo is getting an easier ride on this.

I've gone right off her because she's both encouraging it in part and enabling it too.
She has the person who is watching outside and knows she has.
She is equally at least as bad as Chris.
In my opinion anyhow.

[Zizu]

I think JoJo is getting an easier ride on this.

I've gone right off her because she's both encouraging it in part and enabling it too.
She has the person who is watching outside and knows she has.
She is equally at least as bad as Chris.
In my opinion anyhow.


….. and yet the LGBT folk in the Late & Live studio were firmly in the belief that Jo Jo was completely blameless in all this and it was the much older Chris was to blame

[joeysteele]

….. and yet the LGBT folk in the Late & Live studio were firmly in the belief that Jo Jo was completely blameless in all this and it was the much older Chris was to blame

Hence why I'm saying I agree with the thread title question as to her getting off too lightly.

[Oliver_W]

I understand the sentiment behind people not wanting to invalidate her sexuality etc but she is still young, she has dated men before and she did previously identify as pansexual I believe. She's also said she's not sure about her gender identity so there could definitely be some all round confusion there. It shouldn't be fully off limits to say that. Plus she's also spoken quite sympathetically about polygamy

By the same token, she might not want to call herself a lesbian as her girlfriend identifies as nonbinary, so she doesn't want to invalidate her gender identity.

[Ray.]

Lol this world is so funny now

[Father Chris Mouse]

I think JoJo is getting an easier ride on this.

I've gone right off her because she's both encouraging it in part and enabling it too.
She has the person who is watching outside and knows she has.
She is equally at least as bad as Chris.
In my opinion anyhow.

After having all week off work, i've been watching the live feed every night, and i would actually argue JoJo is the biggest instigator of out the two. If Chris is not puppy dogging her, showing her attention, she'll go out of her way to cuddle him, touch him, gain his attention somehow.

[Father Chris Mouse]

By the same token, she might not want to call herself a lesbian as her girlfriend identifies as nonbinary, so she doesn't want to invalidate her gender identity.

Lol this world is so funny now

Yeah, no offence Oliver, but reading your post killed a few of my brain cells, not that i have many :laugh:

[Zizu]

Lol this world is so funny now


…. and yet Mickey was supposed to understand all this nonsense

[Yuki Maru Hoshi]

I understand the sentiment behind people not wanting to invalidate her sexuality etc but she is still young, she has dated men before and she did previously identify as pansexual I believe. She's also said she's not sure about her gender identity so there could definitely be some all round confusion there. It shouldn't be fully off limits to say that. Plus she's also spoken quite sympathetically about polygamy

Yeah she's one discussion with her partner away from getting into polyamory herself. Saying one is open to complexities of sexual identity/different types of relationships and then acting flirtatiously with other people at random, imo, they're using reasons for "exploration" is a social certificate to cheat, basically...

By the same token, she might not want to call herself a lesbian as her girlfriend identifies as nonbinary, so she doesn't want to invalidate her gender identity.

I hate to say it, but domestic rates are higher for lesbian/bisexual women, so that could be a valid concern.

[Father Chris Mouse]

She's thirsting over Chris tennis grunts now during the live feed lmao

[Zizu]

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thirsting over Chris tennis grunts now during the live feed lmao


That’s her testosterone talking


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[Father Chris Mouse]

That’s her testosterone talking


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It's something alright

[GlitterUK]

From what I have seen they both enjoy each others company. Both are happy to be touchy with one another. They bonded from the get go as both are fun natured characters. The other housemates are just jealous. Ella as she didn't get her rebound showmance or the attention she craves from Chris and the other housemates cannot compete.

They are young, fun and living life and making the most of the show, unlike Patsy and Ella.

[Father Chris Mouse]

From what I have seen they both enjoy each others company. Both are happy to be touchy with one another. They bonded from the get go as both are fun natured characters. The other housemates are just jealous. Ella as she didn't get her rebound showmance or the attention she craves from Chris and the other housemates cannot compete.

They are young, fun and living life and making the most of the show, unlike Patsy and Ella.

There is an incredible amount of sexual tension there. Live feed shows it more.

[GlitterUK]

I don't see why people need to put a label on them. They are being themselves and are not harming anyone. What they do, who they choose to spend their time with is up to them. I can understand Ella feeling jealous as she wanted to be the one craving Chris' attention and her game plan doesn't have a plan B sadly.

They should have added another single male into the mix from the start.

[Father Chris Mouse]

They're all going to sleep early tonight, booo. Anyway, more all over each other in bed.

[Father Chris Mouse]

Platonic guys :hee:

[Merry Mockmas]

All this flirting, and touchy feelyness with Chris, can't be nice to see for her partner? Any time the issue is raised during L&L it's usually shut down because she's "gay". The HL shows are pretty tame too, they leave out about 90% of their intimate interactions. Regular live feed watchers will know their relationship is a lot more intimate than what we see on the nightly HL's. I mean, just a recent example, JoJo rubbing Chris' inner thigh when they were in the hot tub together the other night. Sorry, but how is that platonic? Ali was saying last night "well JoJo identifies as a gay women, and she's set clear boundaries with Chris, and that he's always the one coming on and jokingly shut down". That's clearly not the case!

I know it's a touchy subject, but i think it's pretty obvious she fancies Chris, as he does her. They are literally all over each other, just last night they were in bed together, Chris between her legs, her rubbing his shoulders and chest. I dunno, it must be awful for her partner to witness.

People will say "she's gay, end off" but i think it's a bit more complex than that tbh. I don't know how much more obvious it could be that she fancies him.

The definition of a Lesbian - https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/lesbian

I can't 100% speak for Chris, but Jojo doesn't fancy Chris.

Unless she's lying about being a Lesbian, which is just shocking if that's the case.:joker:

[Father Chris Mouse]

The definition of a Lesbian - https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/lesbian

I can't 100% speak for Chris, but Jojo doesn't fancy Chris.

Unless she's lying about being a Lesbian, which is just shocking if that's the case.:joker:

I believe she prefers women, but she's not 100% lesbian based on her behaviour with Chris, she's curious and obviously fancies him. See Matt's post in this thread, spot on.

[Merry Mockmas]

Maybe she’s spent too long with her LGBT friends and non binary / pan sexual guys so when she’s spent time with a normal , straight guy in Chris … it’s actually blown her mind to what she’s possibly been missing

Tbh, those Frying Pan's really get me going down below.:evilgrin:

[Merry Mockmas]

I don't see why people need to put a label on them. They are being themselves and are not harming anyone. What they do, who they choose to spend their time with is up to them. I can understand Ella feeling jealous as she wanted to be the one craving Chris' attention and her game plan doesn't have a plan B sadly.

They should have added another single male into the mix from the start.

Or Ella could've tried being an interesting Housemate.

[Merry Mockmas]

I believe she prefers women, but she's not 100% lesbian based on her behaviour with Chris, she's curious and obviously fancies him. See Matt's post in this thread, spot on.

I think that she's just being playful with him.

Kind of like how Pete Bennett was with the women in his year of BB.

[GlitterUK]

Or Ella could've tried being an interesting Housemate.

Is she interesting in Towie? Never watched it. Not sure she is capable, all she does is cry.

[Merry Mockmas]

Is she interesting in Towie? Never watched it. Not sure she is capable, all she does is cry.

I don't watch TOWIE either tbh.

[user104658]

I understand the sentiment behind people not wanting to invalidate her sexuality etc but she is still young, she has dated men before and she did previously identify as pansexual I believe. She's also said she's not sure about her gender identity so there could definitely be some all round confusion there. It shouldn't be fully off limits to say that. Plus she's also spoken quite sympathetically about polygamy

I think this is key here - people are making assumptions that her partner would have an issue with it even if something is going on, we have no idea if that's the case at all, we have no idea what the expectations or boundaries of that relationship are and whether or not there's an issue with it is entirely their business.

I have an issue with Chris' behaviour because I find him emotionally manipulative and think he knows fine well what he's doing. I don't think there would be an issue beyond that. Her sexuality and the confines of her other relationships are really not relevant to anyone else... most people are just coming from a perspective of "well I wouldn't like it if it was MY partner!" and I fully agree with that... it's not for me, either, at this level - I don't think close male/female friendships are an issue and the hugging/comforting/messing around is all fine, the upper thigh rubs and thinly-coded conversations are where it goes "too far for me". BUT. That's my feelings and my relationship an there should be no expectation that other people's relationships follow the same "rules". There are no "rules".

I think people take the reaction to Mickey's comments as evidence that Jojo's partner would be against this but there's really no evidence of that. Mickey made Jojo feel uncomfortable and made comments that upset her. That's the difference. She wasn't "flirting with Mickey" he was being gross.

[user104658]

I think that she's just being playful with him.

Kind of like how Pete Bennett was with the women in his year of BB.

Yes but then we know how that ended up, poor Pete got himself into a right ol' pickle with a few situations :joker:.

[Zizu]

I think this is key here - people are making assumptions that her partner would have an issue with it even if something is going on, we have no idea if that's the case at all, we have no idea what the expectations or boundaries of that relationship are and whether or not there's an issue with it is entirely their business.

I have an issue with Chris' behaviour because I find him emotionally manipulative and think he knows fine well what he's doing. I don't think there would be an issue beyond that. Her sexuality and the confines of her other relationships are really not relevant to anyone else... most people are just coming from a perspective of "well I wouldn't like it if it was MY partner!" and I fully agree with that... it's not for me, either, at this level - I don't think close male/female friendships are an issue and the hugging/comforting/messing around is all fine, the upper thigh rubs and thinly-coded conversations are where it goes "too far for me". BUT. That's my feelings and my relationship an there should be no expectation that other people's relationships follow the same "rules". There are no "rules".

I think people take the reaction to Mickey's comments as evidence that Jojo's partner would be against this but there's really no evidence of that. Mickey made Jojo feel uncomfortable and made comments that upset her. That's the difference. She wasn't "flirting with Mickey" he was being gross.


When Mickey said that old jokey line about being able to ‘turn’ JoJo the whole LBGT world went crazy as he was making light of her lesbianism … move forward a few days and she’s practically married to Chris

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( they are actually more affectionate and physically compatible than some married couples)