Spain and Portugal experiencing major unexplained electricity blackout…

[Ammi]

Huge swathes of Spain and Portugal have reportedly been hit with power outages that have seen airports and metro systems shut down, mobile phone signal fail, and electricity out.

There has been no explanation as yet for the power outages - which have affected Barcelona, Madrid, Valencia and Seville in Spain, as well as Lisbon in Portugal. Spanish media also reported the issue affecting areas in France.

Spain's powergrid company Red Electrica said it is working to solve the problem, but there has been no indication of what caused the widespread blackout.

In Valencia, the metro suspended its services, while parts of the underground in Madrid were evacuated following the blackout. The power cuts have apparently also seen traffic chaos across the country, with traffic lights no longer working.

The live blog can be followed…

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/live/spain-portugal-power-outage-live-updates-113612434.html

[Nicky91]

in Spain they are reporting it gradually is being restored as we speak



they can't rule out a cyber attack, but they can't also confirm it being a cyber attack, so a thorough investigation will be required



one of my province's radio DJ's Maarten Kortlever is currently on holiday in Barcelona, he managed to keep us informed with a mobile cellphone with him over the phone with Omroep Brabant live on the radio

[Cherie]

and this is why you should always have a battery radio as old fashioned as it might sound, as the mobile signals was not working for many ...and some bottled water as there was no water coming from the taps

its defo a cyber attack, this could roll out across Europe

[arista]

"its defo a cyber attack,"

Yes, the reason
No one is saying why?

[Nicky91]

and this is why you should always have a battery radio as old fashioned as it might sound, as the mobile signals was not working for many ...and some bottled water as there was no water coming from the taps

its defo a cyber attack, this could roll out across Europe

no fearmongering pls :nono:


spontaneous outages can occur, even without cyber attacks


here where i live, we not too long ago, last month



our power company Enexis says this can also happen more often due to our changing climate, more extremes in the weather in terms of warm weather or stormy weather

[arista]

Affected the Live Tennis
as No Cameras had power.

SkyNewsHD showed
Public in a Railway tunnel

That looked terrible

[arista]

no fearmongering pls :nono:


spontaneous outages can occur, even without cyber attacks


here where i live, we not too long ago, last month



our power company Enexis says this can also happen more often due to our changing climate, more extremes in the weather in terms of warm weather or stormy weather


Nicky, it is a Valid Comment
from Wise Cherie

As by now they would say why it has gone on

[Nicky91]

Nicky, it is a Valid Comment
from Wise Cherie

As by now they would say why it has gone on

no?

since they are working hard to also fix this problem, while also investigating, they haven't got the time to inform us then

[arista]

no?

since they are working hard to also fix this problem, while also investigating, they haven't got the time to inform us then



I do hope you update us
It is more close to your flat nation

[Nicky91]

could be because Spain, Portugal and southern France use each other's power


so if there is a problem, all these might be affected, like now





my nation Netherlands for example distributes and uses power also from Belgium and Germany



and it is commonly known Spain, Portugal, parts of France (mostly southern france) work together in terms of power, which is cheaper that way

[Jessica.]

It's an extremely hot day too, we just did the big food shop on Saturday, I'm worried about it all being wasted. Also don't know how I'll sort the baby's dinner.

[Nicky91]

problems in France have been restored to normal


and the french have offered Spain for assistance in restoring their power to normal as well

[Nicky91]

It's an extremely hot day too, we just did the big food shop on Saturday, I'm worried about it all being wasted. Also don't know how I'll sort the baby's dinner.

as long as you kept the fridge and freezer closed it should remain cool inside for quite some time though?

the more you open them, the more it can get warmer in there

[arista]

It's an extremely hot day too, we just did the big food shop on Saturday, I'm worried about it all being wasted. Also don't know how I'll sort the baby's dinner.


Yes great post
from there.

I hate Power Cuts
Have radios ready for those times

[Jessica.]

People are rushing to supermarkets buying all the water and canned foods

People are fighting at gas pumps to fill their car before anyone else

I have put three ice packs in my fridge because I had to open it anyway.

[arista]

People are rushing to supermarkets buying all the water and canned foods

People are fighting at gas pumps to fill their car before anyone else

I have put three ice packs in my fridge because I had to open it anyway.


Yes, I would be there
if I was in your nation


I feel sorry
for those in the underground railway tunnel

[Jessica.]

Yes, I would be there
if I was in your nation


I feel sorry
for those in the underground railway tunnel

We already have 24 litres of bottled water but I don't think panicking is a good idea. My internet is getting spotty.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's an extremely hot day too, we just did the big food shop on Saturday, I'm worried about it all being wasted. Also don't know how I'll sort the baby's dinner.

27C today but much cooler 17 C tomorrow

[Ammi]

People are rushing to supermarkets buying all the water and canned foods

People are fighting at gas pumps to fill their car before anyone else

I have put three ice packs in my fridge because I had to open it anyway.

…:hug:…it’s now being reported to be a 'Rare atmospheric phenomenon' that’s causing the outages…Portugal’s PM Luis Montenegro has said they will try to restore the situation in the next hours, and expect a resolution today…

[Jessica.]

…:hug:…it’s now being reported to be a 'Rare atmospheric phenomenon' that’s causing the outages…Portugal’s PM Luis Montenegro has said they will try to restore the situation in the next hours, and expect a resolution today…

I really hope so!

[Beso]

Aliens or AI.

[Cherie]

A rare atmospheric problem that affected 3 countries, I am not normally a conspiracy theorist but we were also told the LA Fire were due to climate change until they weren't .....sure as hell not going to tell us its a cyber attack, coming hot on the heels of the fire that put Heathrow out of action a few months back I have my doubts


and yes Jess unfortunately people will panic buy and do stupid stuff

[bots]

being without power in a hot country is a nightmare. On top of the usual stuff, you have no aircon or fans either, making life extremely uncomfortable. It's very unusual for an entire country to suffer a power failure, let alone 2 or 3 so i would definitely say it was a malicious attack

[Nicky91]

like i said, Portugal and Southern France are also on the same power grid as Spain


what is unusual though is that France has their power restored, although maybe they can also use power from the french based energy suppliers :think:



i think i believe the atmospherical phenomenon more than a possible cyber attack, and good on Portugal's energy provider REN that they did their own investigation, considering this also concerns them very much

[Nicky91]

of course you are not a conspiracy theorist Cherie

and i understand why this is very suspicious



due to "temperature variations in Spain"

.

[Cherie]

of course you are not a conspiracy theorist Cherie

and i understand why this is very suspicious



.

Thank you Nicky :laugh:

[arista]

Yes
Some were stranded on a train
in the middle, no place near them.


Simon Calder told LBC news

[arista]

Aliens or AI.


No
Overground cables - Again


["Anomalous Oscillations" in extremely high-voltage lines.]


Oscillating Electric Friction

[arista]

This is why the UK should Learn to do
underground Electric Cables
safer

[Nicky91]

one good thing, the people will be compensated most likely, as it cannot take longer than 4 hours without power, longer than that you receive compensations, at least that is how it goes in my nation with similar crisisses like these

[Cherie]

Some towns in Ireland were without power for a week after Storm Eoghan dont think they got any compo

The Spanish PM says he does not know what has caused this?

[Cherie]

This is why the UK should Learn to do
underground Electric Cables
safer

Yes if they are going with the weather causing this, this give campaigners something to fight on

[arista]

Yes if they are going with the weather causing this, this give campaigners something to fight on


Yes in the UK loads are fighting
Even in Wales
all would prefer, underground, safer
Electricity Supply.

[arista]

Some towns in Ireland were without power for a week after Storm Eoghan dont think they got any compo

The Spanish PM says he does not know what has caused this?


I think by now, he does

[Benjamin]

People are rushing to supermarkets buying all the water and canned foods

People are fighting at gas pumps to fill their car before anyone else

I have put three ice packs in my fridge because I had to open it anyway.

People clearly learnt nothing from Covid times.

[Crimson Dynamo]

REN said that as a result of extreme temperature variations in Spain, there were
"anomalous oscillations" in extremely high-voltage lines. REN said this is known as
"induced atmospheric variation," which in turn can lead to oscillations. This caused
synchronization failures between systems, leading to successive disturbances across the
European network, which is interconnected.

-----------

Temperature variation in Spain today 10 C from hottest to coolest

this sounds like BS

(and why you would always keep actual cash handy)

[Cherie]

I think by now, he does

He is holding an emergency meeting and still saying he doesn't know what caused it

[bots]

REN said that as a result of extreme temperature variations in Spain, there were
"anomalous oscillations" in extremely high-voltage lines. REN said this is known as
"induced atmospheric variation," which in turn can lead to oscillations. This caused
synchronization failures between systems, leading to successive disturbances across the
European network, which is interconnected.

-----------

Temperature variation in Spain today 10 C from hottest to coolest

this sounds like BS

(and why you would always keep actual cash handy)

it is BS, there is no way they could conclude an investigation on a power failure that affected the whole country on the same day it happened. Particularly when they are spouting bollocks about temperature gradients. Go to the beach on the costas and compare against Barcelona or any mountainous region and there are always large temperature gradients. Spain is a massive country

[arista]

From Ch4HDnews Live

Extreme Heat
It caused the Overhead Cables to Bounce
and because of that extreme danger
it shut down all power.

(California Fires had something like that)


This is why the UK is Crazy doing it Up High

[Vanessa]

From Ch4HDnews Live

Extreme Heat
It caused the Overhead Cables to Bounce
and because of that extreme danger
it shut down all power.

(California Fires had something like that)


This is why the UK is Crazy doing it Up High
But we don't have extreme heat here in the UK.

[Crimson Dynamo]

But we don't have extreme heat here in the UK.

Or anywhere

[bots]

the advantage of overhead cables is that they are easier to maintain and quicker to repair. It's always about trade offs

[arista]

the advantage of overhead cables is that they are easier to maintain and quicker to repair. It's always about trade offs


Better underground
as in Pipes they are safer

[Ammi]

People clearly learnt nothing from Covid times.

…panic buying is not a lesson that will ever be learned, sadly…but they will ration purchasing I would say …

[Ammi]

Spain-Portugal power outage live: State of emergency declared amid fears blackout could last up to a week
The blackout could have been caused by ‘extreme temperature variations' which caused havoc with the high voltage electricity lines in Spain's interior, suggested Portugal's grid operator REN



Spain has declared a state of emergency as the nation and its neighbour Portugal remain in the grips of a power outage.

A power blackout hit most of the Iberian Peninsula on Monday around 12:30pm local time which has brought traffic and transport to a standstill, leaving many without water, Wi-Fi or mobile network.
The ministry of interior said the emergency status will be applied in the regions that request it, with Madrid, Andalusia and Extremadura asking the central government to take over public order and other functions.

More than 20 per cent of Spain’s power has been restored, according to Spanish grid operator Red Electrica, with Portuguese operator REN warning it could take up to a week to restore the power grid fully.

While Spain’s prime minister has said the cause of the blackout remains unknown, REN has said there was a "very large oscillation in the electrical voltages, first in the Spanish system, which then spread to the Portuguese system".

It’s estimated that millions have been left without power and water in the midst of the blackout, and many travellers were affected by flights grounded to and from the popular holiday destinations.

[Jessica.]

We've got power now, it was off for 9 hours but it's likely to be unstable. Also had no network on my phone for five hours.

[Maru]

We know a little bit about extended power outages in our area, unfortunately. We were out for 5 days the last time due to the hurricane and several months before that we were out from the Derecho storm. Lots of spoiled food, but we have a generator now because you can't depend on estimates by utilities. They are under pressure to give false hope to people suffering without it in a hot climate and people die waiting for power they think is about to be switched on because neighbors around them have power, etc... it's not fun.

[Beso]

No
Overground cables - Again


["Anomalous Oscillations" in extremely high-voltage lines.]


Oscillating Electric Friction


Poor infrastructure.

[Maru]

Last June after Beryl came through, we all lost power that morning. It got into the 90s in the house (32C+) and humidity was high the last time... even if you can get power somehow to run fans, there's only so much you can do. I pushed my car's alternator over the edge running on idle because we needed air conditioning. It would just shut off. Anyway, miraculously it made it to the shop with lights going on and off and radio acting crazy, but we had to wait until shop had power to get it in. One of the shocks in my car was looking like it was starting to go around the same time so I avoiding driving around with it after noticing. All normal things to happen, but just very bad timing with a hurricane.

So I understand what some of what people are going through. We were lucky in many respects. We have gas in our home so we can still cook and get hot water. We could at least get ice and such from the shops as we knew where to look. A lot of people couldn't even get that. We had very unstable mobile connection as the towers didn't have full power either, so they were running on maintenance. I could get a few pages to load every 15 minutes or so and the door to load would shut. Texts were very hit and miss. When you're sitting around sweating, trust me, those 15 minutes where we could refresh our pages and find something else to focus on helped to keep sanity.

We shouldn't have lost power to so many people in a Category 1, so ever since the utility company has been running around scrambling to do repairs.. the State is threatening to force them to sell off if they don't get the grid fixed up and vegetation management put back in order. Anyway, most of us on our block have learned not to trust the utility management companies and so myself and our surrounding neighbors have generators... it's very loud when power is out with everyone running them, but at least we will have fans and cold food, ice... sleep is extremely difficult when it is hot.

[Maru]

This is why the UK should Learn to do
underground Electric Cables
safer

Our local neighborhood has them underground from the neighborhood box to our homes, but the transmission lines and everything up to that point is above ground. It's very expensive to put something like that underground. We have a high water table and then also being the entire city is on a flood plain, there's more obstacles there as well... they've been doing concrete poles here strategically and most they replace are a mixture (I think it's composite material).

[arista]

Our local neighborhood has them underground from the neighborhood box to our homes, but the transmission lines and everything up to that point is above ground. It's very expensive to put something like that underground. We have a high water table and then also being the entire city is on a flood plain, there's more obstacles there as well... they've been doing concrete poles here strategically and most they replace are a mixture (I think it's composite material).



Yes, it will cost more
to go underground.

Sealed pipes away from any
Sun damage on them.
Not good in a Flood Plain.

To avoid this Portugal Horror


Maru, imagine being Dumped in
In the Middle of nowhere,
in that heat.
As the Train needed the Electric Power

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/a7c2/live/55f412a0-2483-11f0-b26b-ab62c890638b.jpg.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/f7b8/live/0896fc30-247d-11f0-8c66-ebf25fc2cfef.jpg.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/986c/live/53ab8cc0-2484-11f0-8f57-b7237f6a66e6.jpg.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/800/cpsprodpb/645c/live/0fe11800-247c-11f0-b26b-ab62c890638b.jpg.webp

[arista]

BBC News Text:
["Net zero blamed for blackout chaos"
reads the Daily Telegraph's main headline,
saying 53% of Spain's energy was being
supplied by solar before the power cuts.
"Starmer and EU to sign anti-Trump pact
in releationship reset" the paper also reports.]


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/dbd1/live/dbf30290-2482-11f0-8c66-ebf25fc2cfef.jpg.webp

[arista]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/93c5/live/c8959f90-2483-11f0-8c66-ebf25fc2cfef.jpg.webp

[Maru]

Yes, it will cost more
to go underground.

Sealed pipes away from any
Sun damage on them.
Not good in a Flood Plain.

To avoid this Portugal Horror


Maru, imagine being Dumped in
In the Middle of nowhere,
in that heat.
As the Train needed the Electric Power

Yes, we're a car nation, so the problem is always going to be gas stations are empty from people filling up their vehicles and also their generators. Our generator also takes propane so would have to worry about finding this also. It also covers natural gas, but then it's $100-$150/day for whole house from what I've heard from neighbors and definitely the most expensive option... so last resort...

BBC News Text:
["Net zero blamed for blackout chaos"
reads the Daily Telegraph's main headline,
saying 53% of Spain's energy was being
supplied by solar before the power cuts.
"Starmer and EU to sign anti-Trump pact
in releationship reset" the paper also reports.]

They blamed eco power here during the Texas grid failure, but then it's reported that it was eco power that was overperforming and helping it to not fall apart while other methods went offline or were reconnecting generation. But it's diversified green energy: windmills, battery storage, solar, etc... 53% dependency is very high for just solar.

[arista]

BBC News Text:
["Bad hols vibes," writes the Daily Star as it
says "Portugal blames Spain" for the blackouts.]


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/0e5e/live/832788c0-2482-11f0-b26b-ab62c890638b.jpg.webp

[Ammi]

…it’s still not totally clear what the cause of the blackouts …I know that atmospheric phenomenons have been mentioned but so far as I’m aware that’s unconfirmed…I hope all is not too grim and stressful for Jess atm..

[arista]

…it’s still not totally clear what the cause of the blackouts …I know that atmospheric phenomenons have been mentioned but so far as I’m aware that’s unconfirmed…I hope all is not too grim and stressful for Jess atm..


The Tech Fella
on Ch4HDnews said they Bounced
which is dangerous
so it auto shut down.

Having Electricity High in the Sky
is Stupid

[Ammi]

The Tech Fella
on Ch4HDnews said they Bounced
which is dangerous
so it auto shut down.

Having Electricity High in the Sky
is Stupid

…well, whatever the cause it’s obviously extremely stressful for those living there and going forward now, maybe underground cables will be looked at also…but as always, cost is always a factor with these things, isn’t it…

[arista]

…well, whatever the cause it’s obviously extremely stressful for those living there and going forward now, maybe underground cables will be looked at also…but as always, cost is always a factor with these things, isn’t it…


Yes the Costings

stopped underground
safer cables in pipes

[arista]

GMBHD itv Live

Spain is saying it was a France Connection
That started this.

[Ammi]

…even if/when beginning in France, it doesn’t have to impact Spain in the way it did so that’s all just pointless …rather than looking at real possible ways of trying to prevent anything similar in the future if it was weather/atmospheric related…

[Ammi]

…the cheers when the lights came back on in Madrid…

UQ9dmTJ3E-8

[Nicky91]

i completely understand Portugal for blaming Spain, since they are all on the same power grid

[Nicky91]

could also just be improper maintenance, due to budget cuts or something


these cables need good maintenance work every now and then




also a cyber attack is possible yes, but somehow i always think they pull off more precision attacks at governmental buildings, airports, rather than the power grid of an entire nation


like last year here, a cyberattack at our Schiphol airport, you couldn't acquire your tickets through the computers at the terminals, which was due to a faulty update in a untrustworthy and cheap antivirus system



i get why people think of cyberattacks but idk, i myself more think of other possible causes too

[Nicky91]

and you can say but everything went out the same time


yes, that is a sort of ''Domino effect'' if you got faulty cables and those are all connected with each other, then yes, exactly this will happen



which also explains the moment the power restored again, maybe they found the culprit, and they replaced a cable, and then yes everything returns back to normal-ish

but my advice for the Red Electrica company would be try to prevent this from happening again, maybe some failsafes if possible idk, i'm no electrician but that should be possible i think, to place certain alternate power lines as a backup

[Jessica.]

Our power has been stable overnight and the ice packs I put in the fridge did the job because everything is still fresh x

[Mystic Mock]

Our power has been stable overnight and the ice packs I put in the fridge did the job because everything is still fresh x

That's good.:)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Back in March Brussels instructed the public to stockpile 72 hours of food. Coincidence?

[Niamh.]

Our power has been stable overnight and the ice packs I put in the fridge did the job because everything is still fresh x

Oh good to hear

[Redway]

I heard.

[Cherie]

Marks and Sparks have had a major Cyber attack that has put their online orderings system out of action, its been out for a week, it has been pretty far down the News cycle

[Cherie]

Back in March Brussels instructed the public to stockpile 72 hours of food. Coincidence?

No I dont think so, we should take this as a bit of a wake up call to have some cash indoors and food and water

[arista]

Marks and Sparks have had a major Cyber attack that has put their online orderings system out of action, its been out for a week, it has been pretty far down the News cycle


Yes a Week
means many customers will move on
and not return

[Cherie]

Yes a Week
means many customers will move on
and not return

I also heard that they will now have to shift stock at a reduced rate as they will have a backlog ...

[James]

I think the cyber attack angle is a red herring.

[Nicky91]

its not a cyber attack, that has been confirmed now


apparently it has to do with a sudden loss of power in the southwest of Spain, and more specifically with Solar panels, where the power went down, and some systems began to shutdown


Portugal and southern france were just unlucky to be on the same power grid

[Cherie]

We continue to have these incidents where power goes out whether via weather related incidents or glitches or as happened recently with that upgrade that went wrong, yet some people will still convince you that you don't need cash...madness

[Vanessa]

We continue to have these incidents where power goes out whether via weather related incidents or glitches or as happened recently with that upgrade that went wrong, yet some people will still convince you that you don't need cash...madness

I think you need both really. I always carry some cash with me.

[Nicky91]

We continue to have these incidents where power goes out whether via weather related incidents or glitches or as happened recently with that upgrade that went wrong, yet some people will still convince you that you don't need cash...madness

it's good to take precautionary measures i guess, but let's just not spread too much fear among the public

but honestly our energy providers (like in my nation are doing) need to regularly double check if everything is still looking okay, like no signs of fatigue on any of the cables, or to double check for weak spots anywhere

[Nicky91]

i already feel for Prime Minister Sanchez at this point, i mean having to pay back an entire nation as compensation for the blackout, that's gonna be a financial blow to them i reckon

[Cherie]

i already feel for Prime Minister Sanchez at this point, i mean having to pay back an entire nation as compensation for the blackout, that's gonna be a financial blow to them i reckon

oooo I shall put my claim in immediately :laugh: People will just get a rebate on their electric bill I guess....I look forward

[bots]

multiple cyber attacks happen daily in the UK let alone anywhere else. That is a known fact. Just about any event could be cyber attack related

[Jessica.]

27C today but much cooler 17 C tomorrow

It's actually about 30º again

[Crimson Dynamo]

It's actually about 30º again

Incorrect the highest temperature today has been 25C

Top locations
Porto
Sunny intervals
25°
Lisbon
Sunny intervals
18°
Vilamoura
Sunny intervals
19°
Da Horta Acores
Overcast
15°
Alvor
Sunny intervals
19°
Flores Atores
Sunny intervals
16°
Albufeira
Sunny intervals
18°
Faro
Sunny intervals
19°
Viana Do Castelo
Sunny day
22°
Ponta Delgada Joao Paulo Ii
Sunny intervals
15°

[Glenn.]

LT must be in Portugal Jess

Hope you’re all ok x

[Ammi]

It's actually about 30º again

…how’s it all going with you, bebe and your family, Jess…how was today for you…?…

[Jessica.]

Incorrect the highest temperature today has been 25C

Top locations
Porto
Sunny intervals
25°
Lisbon
Sunny intervals
18°
Vilamoura
Sunny intervals
19°
Da Horta Acores
Overcast
15°
Alvor
Sunny intervals
19°
Flores Atores
Sunny intervals
16°
Albufeira
Sunny intervals
18°
Faro
Sunny intervals
19°
Viana Do Castelo
Sunny day
22°
Ponta Delgada Joao Paulo Ii
Sunny intervals
15°

It was probably 25 on the coast where they measure for my city but it was definitely hotter here.

[Jessica.]

LT must be in Portugal Jess

Hope you’re all ok x
Yeah, he knows better apparently.
…how’s it all going with you, bebe and your family, Jess…how was today for you…?…

All good, it's very humid and warm but we dressed light and got out as usual, it's like nothing ever happened :hee:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yeah, he knows better apparently.




yes facts tend to trump anecdotal evidence from unengaged members of the public

its kind of why science exists and meteorologists using official calibrated equipment is used rather than say a dashboard temp from a fiat 500 sat in the midday sun

25.5 °C was the max temp achieved in Portugal today at Vila Real Airport (550m)

most of the country ranged between 17 and 22 C

But thanks for playing

[Ammi]

Yeah, he knows better apparently.


All good, it's very humid and warm but we dressed light and got out as usual, it's like nothing ever happened :hee:

…ahhhhh, I’m so glad that it was more like a regular day for you again … very hot though, you stay safe…:hug:..

[Vanessa]

It's nice here in the UK without being over the top. I love it!
Would love to visit Spain one day, but not at the moment with thr power outage :laugh:

[Jessica.]

yes facts tend to trump anecdotal evidence from unengaged members of the public

its kind of why science exists and meteorologists using official calibrated equipment is used rather than say a dashboard temp from a fiat 500 sat in the midday sun

25.5 °C was the max temp achieved in Portugal today at Vila Real Airport (550m)

most of the country ranged between 17 and 22 C

But thanks for playing

Well you're wrong, thermometers can't measure everywhere at once and there isn't one collecting data inland from the coast in my city :shrug: It was definitely hotter than 25º and there can obviously be errors in the forecast because you said it was going to be 17º. Portuguese people find 25º cold, it was sweltering.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Well you're wrong, thermometers can't measure everywhere at once and there isn't one collecting data inland from the coast in my city :shrug: It was definitely hotter than 25º and there can obviously be errors in the forecast because you said it was going to be 17º. Portuguese people find 25º cold, it was sweltering.

:facepalm:

[Jessica.]

:facepalm:

Your superiority complex is showing :facepalm:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Your superiority complex is showing :facepalm:

Forecasters rights
Are human rights

https://media.tenor.com/1WOWtBb1_zIAAAAM/dont-worry.gif

[Maru]

it's good to take precautionary measures i guess, but let's just not spread too much fear among the public

but honestly our energy providers (like in my nation are doing) need to regularly double check if everything is still looking okay, like no signs of fatigue on any of the cables, or to double check for weak spots anywhere

The sad reality is because we have become so dependent on a grid and digital services, it's inevitable it is our weakest point and so only a matter of time a country is attacked in this way... it's not fear mongering, it's common sense, and we need to all be prepared. Be kind to your neighbors and learn to grow your own food... we never know when we might need each other for a bit of power hookup or just finding out what local stores have food or ice in stock and whether they even have power...

[Beso]

It's an extremely hot day too, we just did the big food shop on Saturday, I'm worried about it all being wasted. Also don't know how I'll sort the baby's dinner.

I wouldn't be wasting my phone battery on us.

[Vanessa]

Hopefully everything goes back to normal soon.
I think it's a good idea to always keep some cash just in case. I always do.

[Beso]

Hopefully everything goes back to normal soon.
I think it's a good idea to always keep some cash just in case. I always do.

And matches to light it.

[Jessica.]

I wouldn't be wasting my phone battery on us.

I have a very good phone with a long lasting battery that I'm very careful about. I only need to charge it for about 30 minutes per day, even with heavy use.

[Ammi]

…there’s a media story this morning saying that a couple and adult son 'died from carbon monoxide poisoning after using generator' during the Spain-Portugal blackout…


‘The elderly married couple and their son were reportedly found dead at their home in Ourense, in northwest Spain, around midday on Tuesday.

Local reports pointed to carbon monoxide poisoning as responsible for their deaths.

Europa Press, citing sources in the emergency services, said the couple were aged 81 and 77, and their son was 56.

It quoted local mayor Alvaro Vila as saying there were "indications" the poisoning came about due to faults from a generator used to keep a ventilator going.

When a care worker couldn't get access to the property, the civil guard and the fire department were called.’…

[Cherie]

…there’s a media story this morning saying that a couple and adult son 'died from carbon monoxide poisoning after using generator' during the Spain-Portugal blackout…


‘The elderly married couple and their son were reportedly found dead at their home in Ourense, in northwest Spain, around midday on Tuesday.

Local reports pointed to carbon monoxide poisoning as responsible for their deaths.

Europa Press, citing sources in the emergency services, said the couple were aged 81 and 77, and their son was 56.

It quoted local mayor Alvaro Vila as saying there were "indications" the poisoning came about due to faults from a generator used to keep a ventilator going.

When a care worker couldn't get access to the property, the civil guard and the fire department were called.’…

How very sad

[Cherie]

Britain’s electricity grid operator is investigating unexplained power plant failures that hit the UK’s system hours before Spain and Portugal were plunged into blackouts.

Control room staff at the National Energy System Operator (Neso) observed unusual activity on Sunday that saw the power frequency shift unexpectedly in the early morning and the evening.

Keeping the frequency of the electricity system within certain limits is vital to keeping the lights on.

The first event began at around 2am with a power failure at the Keadby 2 gas-fired power plant in Lincolnshire, followed by the unexplained failure of the Viking Link interconnector between the UK and Denmark.

At around 6pm, the frequency shifted unexpectedly again – with the cause currently unknown.

Neso, the quango that manages the British grid, confirmed to The Telegraph on Tuesday morning that officials were investigating.

A spokesman did not provide further details but said there was currently no suggestion that the power failures were linked to each other or the massive system failures that occurred on Monday throughout Spain, Portugal and parts of southern France.

Such investigations are standard practice whenever there is an unexplained power cut on the grid.

The Telegraph

[Ammi]

…there was another death of a woman in an apartment in Madrid, which atm is being reported as being caused by a candle burning…again can be associated to the blackout and need for a candle to be used…

[bots]

Britain’s electricity grid operator is investigating unexplained power plant failures that hit the UK’s system hours before Spain and Portugal were plunged into blackouts.

Control room staff at the National Energy System Operator (Neso) observed unusual activity on Sunday that saw the power frequency shift unexpectedly in the early morning and the evening.

Keeping the frequency of the electricity system within certain limits is vital to keeping the lights on.

The first event began at around 2am with a power failure at the Keadby 2 gas-fired power plant in Lincolnshire, followed by the unexplained failure of the Viking Link interconnector between the UK and Denmark.

At around 6pm, the frequency shifted unexpectedly again – with the cause currently unknown.

Neso, the quango that manages the British grid, confirmed to The Telegraph on Tuesday morning that officials were investigating.

A spokesman did not provide further details but said there was currently no suggestion that the power failures were linked to each other or the massive system failures that occurred on Monday throughout Spain, Portugal and parts of southern France.

Such investigations are standard practice whenever there is an unexplained power cut on the grid.

The Telegraph

people don't understand the frequency or seriousness of the cyber attacks that are attempted against the uk every day. It's constantly probing for weakness

[arista]

…there was another death of a woman in an apartment in Madrid, which atm is being reported as being caused by a candle burning…again can be associated to the blackout and need for a candle to be used…


Bound to happen,
sad news.

[arista]

[Britain’s electricity grid operator is investigating
unexplained power plant failures that hit the UK’s system
hours before Spain and Portugal were plunged into blackouts.]

Yes, they need to report the true facts.