Another Labour own goal?

[Cherie]

The UK and India they have now agreed a trade deal with India, which the Indian government has said includes a double convention that any Indians coming to the UK will not pay NI or nor will their employers for 3 years and vice versa ....this will really help locals get jobs :umm2: How will this help all these disabled people back to work I wonder...maybe they will go and work in India .:think:

They really hate everyone :laugh:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/britain-and-india-agree-5billion-free-trade-deal-on-visas-and-tariffs-on-cars-textiles-and-whisky/ar-AA1EfWCt?ocid=BingNewsSerp

[Cherie]

India secured a deal known as the double contribution convention (DCC) – which means Indian workers temporarily in the UK, and their employers, will not have to pay national insurance contributions in both countries for three years.

The same will apply to British workers in India.

It is expected to make it more attractive for Indian professionals to work in the UK.

However, there will be no formal changes to immigration policy under the new trade deal.

Another trade-off in the deal will make it more straightforward for Indian musicians, chefs, and yoga instructors to work in the UK.

This is because a capped number of workers in these professions will be able to apply for visas, having previously not had an accessible route into the jobs market.

It is understood that the concession was a specific request from India in the negotiations.

The ES

[bots]

labour are just coming across as plain stupid at the moment.

[Cherie]

Farage is already having a field day with this ...

[Livia]

Labour hates the Brits.

[joeysteele]

Wait and see what has to be given to get a Trump deal with the USA
No matter how bad that is, Farage and the Reform mob will love it if it gives Trump everything or just about everything he demands.

Former PM Sunak was just about to agree to anything India was demanding too.

[arista]

[Indians coming to the UK will not pay NI or nor will their
employers for 3 years and vice versa]

Yes, I can see why they did that.



PM Starmer
spoke on hands-free Telephone Live,
to India.

Ch4HDnews showed photos.


India Clothes will now be cheaper in the UK

And UK Scotch Whiskey will export more


Ch4HDnews Economics Reporter highlighted
Those two.

[Beso]

PM Starmer
spoke on hands-free Telephone Live,
to India



Very apt for a man with the same moral values as an Indian call centre handler.

[Cherie]

[Indians coming to the UK will not pay NI or nor will their
employers for 3 years and vice versa]

Yes, I can see why they did that.



PM Starmer
spoke on hands-free Telephone Live,
to India.

Ch4HDnews showed photos.


India Clothes will now be cheaper in the UK

And UK Scotch Whiskey will export more


Ch4HDnews Economics Reporter highlighted
Those two.


Can you? given they have just put NI up for employers which has resulted in some job losses or companies not taking on staff, this will certainly help the latter but not the homegrown workforce

[Cherie]

Wait and see what has to be given to get a Trump deal with the USA
No matter how bad that is, Farage and the Reform mob will love it if it gives Trump everything or just about everything he demands.

Former PM Sunak was just about to agree to anything India was demanding too.

Think Kemi has posted that they were offered this deal but declined, she can say that now of course, PMQs will be good tomorrow :laugh:

[MTVN]

Any trade deal involves concessions and trade offs but most businesses will be delighted with this and we're in dire need of some confidence back in our economy

[Cherie]

Any trade deal involves concessions and trade offs but most businesses will be delighted with this and we're in dire need of some confidence back in our economy

Why not employ from Universities in the UK, so many graduates dont even have jobs.... or why not tell the current crop of GCSE students what skills they need to get a job? .....Professionals doesn't really tell you much, not against Indians coming to the UK, but that is not a level playing field if NI does not have to be paid, how do they expect student loans to be repaid if graduates cannot get a job in the first place

[Cherie]

Why not give employers an NI break for UK University graduates for example

[Oliver_W]

Wait and see what has to be given to get a Trump deal with the USA
No matter how bad that is, Farage and the Reform mob will love it if it gives Trump everything or just about everything he demands.

"But what about something which hasn't happened yet, because of THE OTHER GUYS?"

[joeysteele]

Think Kemi has posted that they were offered this deal but declined, she can say that now of course, PMQs will be good tomorrow :laugh:

They'd have signed it, Sunak was ready for it.
In fact Sunak was getting incredible stick because it was with India, he was being attacked by those thinking he was likely looking to only be feathering his own nest for the future.

I may look in on PMQs but how things are this is a deal that's needed.
I'd prefer Starmer and Labour to be concentrating more towards the European union.
However overall if this is the best on the table from India, fair enough, they are a strong and faster growing Nation.

So no matter what she says at PMQs, if she doesn't welcome this deal, she will just be escalating the criticism of her moving closer and closer to Farage and Reform.
I'm surprised however that Starmer didn't stall agreeing the deal until after PMQs or even Thursday.
So he must think he can give a good defence of it.

[joeysteele]

Why not give employers an NI break for UK University graduates for example

I can definitely see the merits to this.

[arista]

The Government Minister

Jonathan Reynolds MP
Secretary of State for Business and Trade

is going on all TV news & Radio
saying this is a positive future?
with India liking our Scotch Whiskey.

[bots]

isn't the drinking of alcohol against the rules of the biggest religion there? :laugh:

[arista]

isn't the drinking of alcohol against the rules of the biggest religion there? :laugh:

I assume the Richer folks love it

But yes, against their religious rules
of course

[Ammi]

isn't the drinking of alcohol against the rules of the biggest religion there? :laugh:

I assume the Richer folks love it

But yes, against their religious rules
of course

…I didn’t think that it did go against the main religion of India…in moderation that is, but moderation is what many religions would practise…apparently there are some Hindu rituals that even traditionally include alcohol…

[bots]

…I didn’t think that it did go against the main religion of India…in moderation that is, but moderation is what many religions would practise…apparently there are some Hindu rituals that even traditionally include alcohol…

i guess they do serve indian brand beer at indian restaurants here :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

The UK and India they have now agreed a trade deal with India, which the Indian government has said includes a double convention that any Indians coming to the UK will not pay NI or nor will their employers for 3 years and vice versa ....this will really help locals get jobs :umm2: How will this help all these disabled people back to work I wonder...maybe they will go and work in India .:think:

They really hate everyone :laugh:

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/britain-and-india-agree-5billion-free-trade-deal-on-visas-and-tariffs-on-cars-textiles-and-whisky/ar-AA1EfWCt?ocid=BingNewsSerp

Don't worry.

AI will take everyone's jobs before we all know it.

[Cherie]

Don't worry.

AI will take everyone's jobs before we all know it.

It is all very well laughing everything off Mock, but that doesn't help people looking for work or perhaps even people in work, when this trade deal takes effect

[Mystic Mock]

It is all very well laughing everything off Mock, but that doesn't help people looking for work or perhaps even people in work, when this trade deal takes effect

Tbh I am being partially serious.

AI is already taking people's jobs in this country.

[Cherie]

Tbh I am being partially serious.

AI is already taking people's jobs in this country.

Yes but not all jobs

[joeysteele]

I don't have a problem with it, it's what it will bring to our economy that is more important.
These workers from India may have a temporary break on NI and tax.
However they'll be earning so spending in the communities and obviously paying some tax via VAT.

I don't believe for one minute this deal would not have been signed by the Conservatives.
Sunak has a great connection to India, he would not want to risk losing this deal for a temporary tax break
Badenoch would have had no way of not signing it.
I think she's being hypocritical.
Again pandering to Farage and Reform, who it seems only look for any divisive elements in anything while offering nothing themselves.

I don't think Sunak if he were still PM would not have approved this deal too.
His ties to India are incredibly strong.
It's very easy now for Badenoch to say she wouldn't sign it.
However there'll be those who'll fall for her, (let's be kind), more misleading presentation.

Is it the best deal, no
Are parts of it even fair, no.
However should we just rumble on getting nowhere at all with no compromise and lose the opportunities this deal presents to the UK and India, well from me NO to that too.

[joeysteele]

Don't worry.

AI will take everyone's jobs before we all know it.

That IS going to be a very real concern in the future I think too Mock.

[Mystic Mock]

Yes but not all jobs

Long term it's going to have a much bigger impact than Indian immigrants imo.

I hope to be proven wrong about that, but I think that it is something that the regular citizens in this country should be deeply concerned about.

[Mystic Mock]

That IS going to be a very real concern in the future I think too Mock.

We're headed for Blade Runner or Minority Report if we're not careful.

I'm glad that you can understand where I'm coming from with this, Joey.

[Livia]

Any deal which gives foreign workers tax breaks and British workers none, shows how little Labour thinks of us all. They've just put up National Insurance for all of us but Indian workers will not have to pay it. Does that sound fair to anyone? Anyone at all?

[Cherie]

Long term it's going to have a much bigger impact than Indian immigrants imo.

I hope to be proven wrong about that, but I think that it is something that the regular citizens in this country should be deeply concerned about.

Long term, we are talking about the here and now, Labour want to get the disabled back to work ...and are going to withdraw their PIP, now they will be in competition with Indian workers who have an NI tax break, so how do you think that will pan out for anyone looking for work who does not have an NI tax break?

[Cherie]

Any deal which gives foreign workers tax breaks and British workers none, shows how little Labour thinks of us all. They've just put up National Insurance for all of us but Indian workers will not have to pay it. Does that sound fair to anyone? Anyone at all?

What makes me laugh is that not only will they take away PIP they will also take away the level playing field, if there ever was one for disabled applicants

[Livia]

What makes me laugh is that not only will the take away PIP they will also take away the level playing field, if there ever was one for disabled applicants

Labour would prefer it if the white working class and all their expensive, disabled buddies just left the country. It'd solve the migrant housing problem for sure.

[Mystic Mock]

Long term, we are talking about the here and now, Labour want to get the disabled back to work ...and are going to withdraw their PIP, now they will be in competition with Indian workers who have an NI tax break, so how do you think that will pan out for anyone looking for work who does not have an NI tax break?

I get that, but long term issues are always the more important issues to try and fix before they become intrinsic to our society.

I personally agree that this deal isn't the fairest with India, but some people need to start realizing that Immigration is not our biggest problem when it comes to job security anymore.

I know that I've said it quite bluntly, but imo it's what I'm more fearful of.

[Cherie]

I get that, but long term issues are always the more important issues to try and fix before they become intrinsic to our society.

I personally agree that this deal isn't the fairest with India, but some people need to start realizing that Immigration is not our biggest problem when it comes to job security anymore.

I know that I've said it quite bluntly, but imo it's what I'm more fearful of.

Its nothing to do with Immigration, its removing the level playing field, and the idea that employers are crying out for disabled people when in reality they dont want to take them on and this will make it even more difficult so people are going to lose their PIP with no hope of getting a job

[Livia]

I get that, but long term issues are always the more important issues to try and fix before they become intrinsic to our society.

I personally agree that this deal isn't the fairest with India, but some people need to start realizing that Immigration is not our biggest problem when it comes to job security anymore.

I know that I've said it quite bluntly, but imo it's what I'm more fearful of.

This has been going on since the Luddites. They had a real issue, worried technology would strip jobs from people. But they didn't also have to contend with foreign workers being taxed less than Brits and taking their jobs. Which is the issue here.

[Mystic Mock]

Its nothing to do with Immigration, its removing the level playing field, and the idea that employers are crying out for disabled people when in reality they dont want to take them on and this will make it even more difficult so people are going to lose their PIP with no hope of getting a job

Unfortunately for disabled people they will always be treated like tokens at these corporations, again regardless of any deals.

Governments work the same way, they don't really care about disabled people if we go with previous Governments too.

[Mystic Mock]

This has been going on since the Luddites. They had a real issue, worried technology would strip jobs from people. But they didn't also have to contend with foreign workers being taxed less than Brits and taking their jobs. Which is the issue here.

Fair point.

[MTVN]

All it means is that those either here or in India on temporary visas will only be taxed on national insurance in one country whereas before NI applied both in India and the UK. We have this arrangement with quite a few countries and it only lasts for three years whereas the trade benefits continue on

I sympathise with the lack of opportunities for Brits but this trade agreement could create a lot of jobs across a range of sectors

[joeysteele]

All it means is that those either here or in India on temporary visas will only be taxed on national insurance in one country whereas before NI applied both in India and the UK. We have this arrangement with quite a few countries and it only lasts for three years whereas the trade benefits continue on

I sympathise with the lack of opportunities for Brits but this trade agreement could create a lot of jobs across a range of sectors

Exactly.
Overall even with it's faults it should be welcomed in my view.

More like whipping up division now against people from India is hardly going to benefit the UK.

[Cherie]

Exactly.
Overall even with it's faults it should be welcomed in my view.

More like whipping up division now against people from India is hardly going to benefit the UK.

The overall deal is good, but I dont see asking the question as to why other groups can't get an NI break is whipping up division, graduates would benefit from this, it is in the governments interest to get them into work so they can start to repay their loans, the disabled would benefit as well as it would make them more attractive for employers to take them on, if you can hand out a tax break to one group then why not roll it out for others, that is what I am asking here, we seem to have forgotton the government want the disabled to find jobs...where are these jobs and how are they going to access them, and what employers are going to take them on...its all gone very silent on the issue..

[Cherie]

Okay so there is a bit more detail on this now, I think the original misinformation came from the Indian government saying the taxation break was unprecedented, its not as bad as first portrayed :laugh:

[MTVN]

Kemi didn't even mention it at PMQs after all that lol