View Full Version : ‘Hetero Awesome Fest' planned for Idaho capitol during LGBTQ Pride Month
Benjamin
07-05-2025, 04:34 AM
A local restaurant owner is organizing the Boise event after hosting a “Heterosexual Awesomeness Month” last year
The owner of an Idaho bar and restaurant plans to host a two-day “Hetero Awesome Fest” outside of the state Capitol in Boise in June to coincide with LGBTQ Pride Month.
Mark Fitzpatrick, the owner of the Old State Saloon in Eagle, a suburb of Boise, said the event was inspired by the restaurant’s inaugural “Heterosexual Awesomeness Month,” held last June in response to Pride celebrations.
Hetero Awesome Fest will be held June 20 and 21 in Cecil D. Andrus Park, directly across the street from the Capitol, and will feature live music, speakers “who are on the front lines defending traditional family values” and local food and drink vendors, according to a social media video promoting the event.
“This festival is more than just an event,” a voiceover on the video said. “It’s a declaration that faith, family and freedom are worth protecting.”
The event is seeking bands, volunteers, vendors and sponsors “who share our visions.”
"The Hetero Awesome Fest and Heterosexual Awesomeness Month aim to celebrate the traditional family unit and address concerns about cultural trends influenced by liberal progressivism," Fitzpatrick, who has owned the bar for two years, said in an email. "Our event is not about targeting any group but about raising awareness of practices we find troubling, such as the encouragement of 'gender transitions' among children or their exposure to inappropriate content."
He added, "We believe the traditional family is vital to society and deserves recognition and protection."
Fitzpatrick, 47, said he has six children, including one adopted child, with his wife of 22 years.
Fitzpatrick has said on social media that Pride Month exists “so LGBTQ can march down the street doing disgusting and criminal activities while demanding to be celebrated” and that the community “encourages children to cut off their sex organs.”
He said in a video shared last week on the bar’s Instagram account that he had reached out to a number of corporations who have donated to LGBTQ Pride celebrations over the years to ask if they would support the event, and they told him they typically only donate to registered nonprofits. As a result, he said, he created the nonprofit Heterosexual Awesomeness Inc., which will host the festival, though he hasn’t heard back from any major donors yet.
Fitzpatrick received international attention and backlash last year in response to “Heterosexual Awesomeness Month,” which he said at the time involved “no hate at all, it’s a love thing.”
“I’m always going to side with what God says,” Fitzpatrick told NBC affiliate KTVB of Boise last year. “If the Bible says that it’s a sin to act out in homosexuality, then I’m going to agree with what the Bible says. That doesn’t mean I don’t love homosexuals, and that doesn’t mean I don’t love people. But just because you love somebody, doesn’t mean you’re going to jump behind them and support them in every single decision they make in life. It’s not a requirement.”
Fitzpatrick said on social media that he was inspired to create Heterosexual Awesomeness Month last year when he and his family were discussing how they would celebrate his daughter’s birthday in June.
“Can’t go downtown to Boise during that time because of Pride Fest and everything that happens with it,” he said. “I got off track from the birthday, and I was thinking to myself, ‘What could we do to celebrate in June that would be different than what’s going on downtown? Can we be different than what Pride has been celebrating every June? What if we celebrated God’s design for sexuality? What would that look like?’ And within a few seconds, I thought, ‘Man, heterosexuality is awesome.’”
Fitzpatrick said last year that he had never been to Boise Pride. The festival hasn’t been held in June since 2020, when organizers rescheduled it for September due to the pandemic and decided to permanently adopt the change due to better weather, among other factors.
Regardless, Fitzpatrick said he had decided that the Old State Saloon would celebrate heterosexuality throughout June with a variety of specials. On Mondays, straight men can get a free beer during “Beers for Breeders.” On Tuesdays, straight women can buy drinks all day at happy hour pricing, and on Wednesdays, straight couples can receive a discount on their bill.
After last year’s Heterosexual Awesomeness Month went viral, Fitzpatrick said he received death threats, but that the positivity was “overwhelmingly more powerful.”
Boise Pride told NBC affiliate KGW of Portland, Oregon, that it has no official statement regarding this year’s Hetero Awesome Fest but wished the organizers “the best of luck with their new festival.”
“Straight pride” supporters organized events in Boston and Modesto, California, in 2019, and last year several businesses in Santa Rosa, California, were vandalized with anti-LGBTQ flyers that provided a link to a rap song about “straight pride.”
LGBTQ Pride events, which trace their roots to 1970, have faced intense backlash in recent years. GLAAD, an LGBTQ media advocacy organization, recorded 110 anti-LGBTQ incidents during June 2024, though the nonprofit noted that number was down 25% when compared to Pride 2023. Organizers of some of the country’s largest Pride parades have also reported that some of their biggest sponsors have pulled back this year amid the Trump administration’s policies targeting DEI initiatives.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna203543
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i was going to say isn't this last years news :laugh:
Mystic Mock
07-05-2025, 08:35 AM
I honestly don't care if this guy wants to do a Hetero pride event or whatever he wants to call it.
But I will call out two bullshit statements from what he has said.
1. "Traditional" relationships will never truly be eradicated because the Human race would obviously go extinct without straight couples having babies.
And 2. He is saying that he "loves Homosexuals" while also saying that he doesn't agree with Homosexuality because the Bible tells him to not like it. He can't have it both ways.
Mystic Mock
07-05-2025, 08:37 AM
i was going to say isn't this last years news :laugh:
Is it?:laugh:
Cherie
07-05-2025, 08:56 AM
He is cashing in to promote his business, bit ridiculous but as long as he isn't hurting anyone I don't see the issue
Jessica.
07-05-2025, 09:10 AM
Every day of the year is already hetero awesome fest though. Also, loads of straights celebrate pride and being their kids to parades and stuff, nobody is excluded.
Niamh.
07-05-2025, 09:20 AM
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Livia
07-05-2025, 09:20 AM
What harm is he causing? So long as it isn't meant to antagonise gay people he can do whatever he wants.
How come every other celebration is a single day or date yet Pride gets a whole month !?!
All those million of fallen soldiers only get a day
Pride should be celebrated as a day and it may resonate more ..
user104658
07-05-2025, 10:11 AM
So long as it isn't meant to antagonise gay people
Of course it's meant to antagonise gay people :joker:. It's culture-wars "anti-woke" trash.
Of course it's meant to antagonise gay people :joker:. It's culture-wars "anti-woke" trash.
Why would it antagonize gay people?
Is pride done to upset straight people?
user104658
07-05-2025, 10:32 AM
Why would it antagonize gay people?
Is pride done to upset straight people?
Because it's done in a reactionary and pointed way.
All of this "playing dumb" is so fkn boring, you know fine well why "anti-woke" stuff is done and that it's done pointedly.
Do I think that the bloke himself is doing it because HE particularly wants to antagonise? No, I imagine he just wants to make $$$ - but he knows that it's good marketing and might make money because he knows there are plenty of people who will be like "Aww yee haw haw haw we should have STRAIGHT MONTH why don't us heteros get stuff". That is the gimmick. Appealing to bitter folk who like to bawl about how everything these days is "too woke".
Because it's done in a reactionary and pointed way.
All of this "playing dumb" is so fkn boring, you know fine well why "anti-woke" stuff is done and that it's done pointedly.
Do I think that the bloke himself is doing it because HE particularly wants to antagonise? No, I imagine he just wants to make $$$ - but he knows that it's good marketing and might make money because he knows there are plenty of people who will be like "Aww yee haw haw haw we should have STRAIGHT MONTH why don't us heteros get stuff". That is the gimmick. Appealing to bitter folk who like to bawl about how everything these days is "too woke".
Culture wars. You are making it a culture war, you instantly see no wrong in anything to do with pride, yet instantly jump on anything promoting straight. That's what's boring m8. You you and your need to seem like a good guy to the TIBB LGBTQ brigade.. a knight in shining armour, so to speak.
Helll, this ain't even a worthy news story, it's only there to fuel any divisions to people to stupid to seer over their noses.. Ie, you.
user104658
07-05-2025, 11:00 AM
Culture wars. You are making it a culture war, you instantly see no wrong in anything to do with pride, yet instantly jump on anything promoting straight. That's what's boring m8. You you and your need to seem like a good guy to the TIBB LGBTQ brigade.. a knight in shining armour, so to speak.
Helll, this ain't even a worthy news story, it's only there to fuel any divisions to people to stupid to seer over their noses.. Ie, you.
What TiBB LGBTQ brigade :joker: TiBB is a gammon echo chamber. It may have skipped your attention that what TiBB LGBTQ folks remain don't particularly like me for being a TERF/(supposedly) "anti trans". If I'm just trying to appeal to them, I'm not doing a very good job of it. But the truth is I'm not here to appeal to anyone. Not them, but also, not you. Proud to be universally disliked, means I'm not brainrotted.
"Anything promoting straight" is a ridiculous statement, and I have made criticisms of Pride in the past (e.g. inappropriate nudity around children) so your assessment is based on thin air. Utter pish. Simply untrue. I'm just telling the obvious truth -- that the appeal this event has is as a "backlash" for people who feel like there's a disproportionate lack of "heterosexual representation".
That is blatantly obvious.
Whether or not you think that's a good or bad thing is a different debate, but why pretend that it's something that it isn't, you know why the event has been planed, you know that it's a "response" to Pride.
What TiBB LGBTQ brigade :joker: TiBB is a gammon echo chamber. It may have skipped your attention that what TiBB LGBTQ folks remain don't particularly like me for being a TERF/(supposedly) "anti trans". If I'm just trying to appeal to them, I'm not doing a very good job of it. But the truth is I'm not here to appeal to anyone. Not them, but also, not you. Proud to be universally disliked, means I'm not brainrotted.
"Anything promoting straight" is a ridiculous statement, and I have made criticisms of Pride in the past (e.g. inappropriate nudity around children) so your assessment is based on thin air. Utter pish. Simply untrue. I'm just telling the obvious truth -- that the appeal this event has is as a "backlash" for people who feel like there's a disproportionate lack of "heterosexual representation".
That is blatantly obvious.
Whether or not you think that's a good or bad thing is a different debate, but why pretend that it's something that it isn't, you know why the event has been planed, you know that it's a "response" to Pride.
You were saying it was being done to antagonize gay people! When there is no proof if that. That's what's annoying me..whereas pride events and the nudity you speak of is clearly done to antagonize people.
Livia
07-05-2025, 11:16 AM
Why would it antagonize gay people?
Is pride done to upset straight people?
Because toy soldier boy says so and despite not being what you'd call worldly, he does have the definitive answer to everything, he thinks.
arista
07-05-2025, 12:05 PM
[“Heterosexual Awesomeness Month” last year]
Yes Ben,
clever thing to do...........
arista
07-05-2025, 12:06 PM
Of course it's meant to antagonise gay people :joker:. It's culture-wars "anti-woke" trash.
TS
they can take it.
user104658
07-05-2025, 12:36 PM
You were saying it was being done to antagonize gay people! When there is no proof if that. That's what's annoying me..whereas pride events and the nudity you speak of is clearly done to antagonize people.
You don't need "proof" to know that the intent of this is to lampoon Pride, you only need a basic level of social literacy and a bit of common sense. And honesty. You know what the intent of the event is, we all do. I'm not playing this daft "There is no proof you cannot possibly know what people's intent is without them saying so!" game, it's painful.
Because toy soldier boy says so and despite not being what you'd call worldly, he does have the definitive answer to everything, he thinks.
You literally know next to nothing about me Livia, just as I know nothing about you, other than that you have a chip on your shoulder the size of the grand canyon :umm2:. Really don't like me to have any opinion about anything eh.
You don't need "proof" to know that the intent of this is to lampoon Pride, you only need a basic level of social literacy and a bit of common sense. And honesty. You know what the intent of the event is, we all do. I'm not playing this daft "There is no proof you cannot possibly know what people's intent is without them saying so!" game, it's painful.
You literally know next to nothing about me Livia, just as I know nothing about you, other than that you have a chip on your shoulder the size of the grand canyon :umm2:. Really don't like me to have any opinion about anything eh.
You answer me in the way you did, then basically tell livia she knows nothing about you, kicking up a wee fuss about it as well...because she formed an opinion on you without knowing anything about you...
Like I said, try seeing further than the end of your own nose.
user104658
07-05-2025, 01:52 PM
You answer me in the way you did, then basically tell livia she knows nothing about you, kicking up a wee fuss about it as well...because she formed an opinion on you without knowing anything about you...
Like I said, try seeing further than the end of your own nose.
Don't be silly, making a comment on why some random bar owner has started a Straight Pride event is in no way related to Livia's bizarre claim to know anything at all about how "worldly" or otherwise I am :joker:. Like I said, we know nothing about each other on here, some people choose not to disclose details by choice, others make claims about their qualifications and experience levels that are dubious and we're all free to doubt, the point is that it doesn't matter 'cos we're all just random people on the internet having opinions about things in the news.
Livia just (as a rule) detests my opinions and thinks I shouldn't have any :joker:. It's because I once said I doubted that she's a lawyer (which I've dogwhistled above - see we can all be honest about our intentions) and she's never been able to get over it.
I suppose it would be more accurate to say, I don't believe her, there is no proof of it, and it seems unlikely based on my limited experience of her thoughts and opinions on a Big Brother forum.
But of course; I don't know. But I also don't care. Because again we're just internet strangers having our opinions online. It simply does not matter either way.
My opinion on this topic is that the guy who made the event is cashing in on sad bigots who want to "stick it to the woke" by lampooning Pride events. You disagree. That's fine. My opinion will remain the same. Can we accept that or not? Because - despite the constant criticisms I get that "I always have to be right" - I'm quite content for us to have different opinions... ... ... it's other people who seem to get reeeeaaally peeved if I won't change my opinion to match theirs :think:.
Don't be silly, making a comment on why some random bar owner has started a Straight Pride event is in no way related to Livia's bizarre claim to know anything at all about how "worldly" or otherwise I am :joker:. Like I said, we know nothing about each other on here, some people choose not to disclose details by choice, others make claims about their qualifications and experience levels that are dubious and we're all free to doubt, the point is that it doesn't matter 'cos we're all just random people on the internet having opinions about things in the news.
Livia just (as a rule) detests my opinions and thinks I shouldn't have any :joker:. It's because I once said I doubted that she's a lawyer (which I've dogwhistled above - see we can all be honest about our intentions) and she's never been able to get over it.
I suppose it would be more accurate to say, I don't believe her, there is no proof of it, and it seems unlikely based on my limited experience of her thoughts and opinions on a Big Brother forum.
But of course; I don't know. But I also don't care. Because again we're just internet strangers having our opinions online. It simply does not matter either way.
My opinion on this topic is that the guy who made the event is cashing in on sad bigots who want to "stick it to the woke" by lampooning Pride events. You disagree. That's fine. My opinion will remain the same. Can we accept that or not? Because - despite the constant criticisms I get that "I always have to be right" - I'm quite content for us to have different opinions... ... ... it's other people who seem to get reeeeaaally peeved if I won't change my opinion to match theirs :think:.
Makes no sense to me.
If you are content with things, why would you feel the need to ridicule and belittle someone by calling them boring etc, simply for asking you questions on your opinion?
ultimately, it doesn't matter a toss if someone gets triggered by someone flying a flag when it's a perfectly legal activity.
user104658
07-05-2025, 02:16 PM
Makes no sense to me.
If you are content with things, why would you feel the need to ridicule and belittle someone by calling them boring etc, simply for asking you questions on your opinion?
It's boring to answer the same questions repeatedly while people pretend (in my opinion) to have no idea that "Hetero Fest" is an attempt to mock "Gay Pride" -- which seems plain-as-day obvious. It happens all the time lately. Something is obvious and people "play pretend" that up is down and left is right. You can't "know for sure" that Musk deliberately did a Nazi salute. You can't "know for sure" that people flying a St George's cross in their living room window are likely xenophobic. You can't "know for sure" that a bar running Super Awesome Straight People Day isn't mocking Gay Pride. Fine - you can't know for sure, but I (individually) can be 99.999% sure, believe so, and say so. And I can say that I find other people pretending that the sky is green to suit their political stance is boring as fk. Am I not allowed to be bored by what I'm bored by either? Is there a list somewhere of things that I'm allowed to find boring?
Im bored now.
Will leave you to it.:wavey:
Mystic Mock
08-05-2025, 01:55 AM
Because it's done in a reactionary and pointed way.
All of this "playing dumb" is so fkn boring, you know fine well why "anti-woke" stuff is done and that it's done pointedly.
Do I think that the bloke himself is doing it because HE particularly wants to antagonise? No, I imagine he just wants to make $$$ - but he knows that it's good marketing and might make money because he knows there are plenty of people who will be like "Aww yee haw haw haw we should have STRAIGHT MONTH why don't us heteros get stuff". That is the gimmick. Appealing to bitter folk who like to bawl about how everything these days is "too woke".
Tbf, there are a fair few things in today's world that are quite Woke imo, admittedly some of it does also get exaggerated or even out and out fabricated by the anti-woke side, but there are definitely examples of extreme Woke things imo.
But I do agree with you ultimately that this guy is gritting because he knows that he can make a lot of money from anti-woke/anti-LGBT groups.
Mystic Mock
08-05-2025, 01:58 AM
What TiBB LGBTQ brigade :joker: TiBB is a gammon echo chamber. It may have skipped your attention that what TiBB LGBTQ folks remain don't particularly like me for being a TERF/(supposedly) "anti trans". If I'm just trying to appeal to them, I'm not doing a very good job of it. But the truth is I'm not here to appeal to anyone. Not them, but also, not you. Proud to be universally disliked, means I'm not brainrotted.
"Anything promoting straight" is a ridiculous statement, and I have made criticisms of Pride in the past (e.g. inappropriate nudity around children) so your assessment is based on thin air. Utter pish. Simply untrue. I'm just telling the obvious truth -- that the appeal this event has is as a "backlash" for people who feel like there's a disproportionate lack of "heterosexual representation".
That is blatantly obvious.
Whether or not you think that's a good or bad thing is a different debate, but why pretend that it's something that it isn't, you know why the event has been planed, you know that it's a "response" to Pride.
Speaking for myself, I don't dislike you.
We may not always agree 100% on topics, but I respect what you bring to the Forum.
Admittedly I can't speak on anyone else's behalf.:laugh:
Anyone know why it’s a month rather than a day like all the other special days or celebrations ?
Anyone know why it’s a month rather than a day like all the other special days or celebrations ?
…a month is fairly much more the regular thing …like Women’s History Month, Black History Month, LGTBQ Pride Month….and I believe there is a Native American Month as well but obviously that’s a specific country thing ….
How come every other celebration is a single day or date yet Pride gets a whole month !?!
All those million of fallen soldiers only get a day
Pride should be celebrated as a day and it may resonate more ..
In the U.S it’s literally Military Appreciation Month THIS MONTH. Which you would know about if you actually cared about appreciating the Military, but you don’t and you’re just using it as a way to disparage Pride Month.
You can set up any kind of “month” you want. If you would like to campaign for a Veterans Month in the UK nobody is stopping you, as proven with the above news.
As for this, he can do as he pleases. The fact it’s to run at the same time as Pride Month is proof enough he’s doing it in for reactionary and antagonistic reasons which is enough of a reason to call it pathetic. But meh, hope they all have fun.
I just wish they’d stop shoving their lifestyle down our throats… ;)
In the U.S it’s literally Military Appreciation Month THIS MONTH. Which you would know about if you actually cared about appreciating the Military, but you don’t and you’re just using it as a way to disparage Pride Month.
You can set up any kind of “month” you want. If you would like to campaign for a Veterans Month in the UK nobody is stopping you, as proven with the above news.
As for this, he can do as he pleases. The fact it’s to run at the same time as Pride Month is proof enough he’s doing it in for reactionary and antagonistic reasons which is enough of a reason to call it pathetic. But meh, hope they all have fun.
I just wish they’d stop shoving their lifestyle down our throats… ;)
It was a simple question .. why jump to unfair assumption ?
I used to idolise George Michael and went to see Will Young at the M.E.N Arena years ago
Somebody gave about 3 examples of monthly celebrations whereas the norm for the thought of celebrations is a day
What makes the monthlies so special ?
Is longer actually better or are they simply diluting the cause ?
They say less is more
It was a simple question .. why jump to unfair assumption ?
Honestly, the amount of times I've seen someone say "Why is there a Pride Month but only a Veterans DAY" as a way to somehow make out like LGBT people are somehow being given special treatment is beyond a joke, it's such a cliche from those who are trying to make a certain point while at the same time uncovering how little they actually care about the Veterans they make out they care so much about (yet they actually don't give a **** otherwise they'd know there was a Military Appreciation Month).
Honestly, the amount of times I've seen someone say "Why is there a Pride Month but only a Veterans DAY" as a way to somehow make out like LGBT people are somehow being given special treatment is beyond a joke, it's such a cliche from those who are trying to make a certain point while at the same time uncovering how little they actually care about the Veterans they make out they care so much about (yet they actually don't give a **** otherwise they'd know there was a Military Appreciation Month).
Nice editing of my post
Nice editing of my post
I didn’t have anything to say to anything else you wrote. I don’t care you like George Micheal.
Livia
08-05-2025, 05:01 PM
Anyone know why it’s a month rather than a day like all the other special days or celebrations ?
There's Black History Month. Also International Women's Day and Holocaust Remembrance Day. Because God knows, in this strange, twisted competition about who's been the most oppressed in history, Jews and women hardly figure, right?
user104658
08-05-2025, 05:13 PM
There's Black History Month. Also International Women's Day and Holocaust Remembrance Day. Because God knows, in this strange, twisted competition about who's been the most oppressed in history, Jews and women hardly figure, right?
Women's history month was in March. Womp womp.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_History_Month
Livia
08-05-2025, 05:21 PM
...and no one's heard of it. Where was the series of educational programmes from Channel 4 and the BBC? Nowhere.
...and no one's heard of it. Where was the series of educational programmes from Channel 4 and the BBC? Nowhere.
The BBC literally covered it with various different documentaries across different formats lol. They even set up a whole hub of teaching resources for students?
Sounds like you didn't care enough at the time to seek out content that might be of interest. Sorry for that, hopefully the content is still available for you to watch.
Trying to avoid making this too long because I don't have the time, so I'll try to keep it simple...
People have to advocate for themselves at the end of the day and shouldn't be so lazy to expect others to do so. End of. So I think for that part of it, I don't think there's an unfairness and injustice in that... However...
When it gets into coin counting how many festivals/tv shows/etc exist are supposedly "representing" one group versus another group, then it becomes a farce. It's too easy lose the plot on whatever the original point might've been because of the whole "group participation" dynamic. I'm not interested in group representation of any sort. Adding to this, I don't particularly care what the media thinks (and equally, I think very little of the media). I just want to be left the **** alone.
Being really honest, I'm skeptical of any "organizers" of these kinds of things, especially more-so now that the gravy train for that is becoming more obvious. Since when does support "as a group" or "community" in 2025 not come to have some kind of social or financial caveat. And when you donate your own time, it's very easy to fall into pyramid schemes. Like taking that free self-help book from an organization who "cares for others" only to find out they want to motivate you to buy more books and get involved in their "work". Again, keeping it short, I've been involved in the animal rescue aspect of things locally that that problem is prevalent also... there's a lot of money to be made in just getting people donating their free time. Oh and you have to agree with everything on principle anytime you attend these events/meetings... I think in many cases, it's a good way to organize enough fools into the same vicinity to headhunt. That's why I don't think much of "organized protests" these days, either... but yeah, maybe it's innocent... but I value my time enough I wouldn't attend something like this that doesn't actually move the needle any direction that benefits anyone (but organizers) and does appear to be a potential for profit for all those involved and connected to this. So yeah, call me skeptical...
Mystic Mock
08-05-2025, 09:41 PM
…a month is fairly much more the regular thing …like Women’s History Month, Black History Month, LGTBQ Pride Month….and I believe there is a Native American Month as well but obviously that’s a specific country thing ….
Native Americans!:yuk:
Obviously I'm just messing around, I don't hold any ill will towards Native Americans, if anything they're victims of immigrants taking their land, which ironically a lot of Far Right Americans never mention... Funny that.:think:
i also believe it's all about power and money Maru as it always is. How many businesses jump on the band wagon of the most popular event of the time. It's about money. It's no different to the christmas season, the easter weekend, valentines day etc etc etc. People just by there very nature, do not go out and celebrate anything for a month out of choice
Honestly, the amount of times I've seen someone say "Why is there a Pride Month but only a Veterans DAY" as a way to somehow make out like LGBT people are somehow being given special treatment is beyond a joke, it's such a cliche from those who are trying to make a certain point while at the same time uncovering how little they actually care about the Veterans they make out they care so much about (yet they actually don't give a **** otherwise they'd know there was a Military Appreciation Month).
Why are you so angry , so ready to fight !?!
Look I am a confessed ‘people watcher’
We were shopping in Tesco the other day and saw two young women ( obviously a couple) walking around holding hands and occasionally whispering in each other’s ears .
We walked past each other a few times up and down the isles and they were a few places in front of us at the queue .. now the one thing that was clearly noticeable was one of them was kinda ‘edgy’ and definitely more confident than the other and was actively seeking eye contact with anyone they walked past or who walked past them ..
I got the definite feeling that she was ready to ‘ go at it’ or to shout “what are you looking at ? “
Why not just be yourself why go looking for something that probably isn’t there ..
Oliver_W
09-05-2025, 08:13 AM
How come every other celebration is a single day or date yet Pride gets a whole month !?!
All those million of fallen soldiers only get a day
Pride should be celebrated as a day and it may resonate more ..
https://i.imgflip.com/1q2uoc.gif
Pride has just become a commercial venture, now that there's virtually no battles left to fight (in the west).
If they had it all in one weekend, that's only one weekend they'd make money. Spread it out, and they can make money on multiple weekends!
Some even go "on tour", and attend multiple Pride events! A fool and their money, and all that.
The BBC literally covered it with various different documentaries across different formats lol. They even set up a whole hub of teaching resources for students?
Sounds like you didn't care enough at the time to seek out content that might be of interest. Sorry for that, hopefully the content is still available for you to watch.
Do you have some sort if l8nk or reference to this cause I think that would be women's day in the UK, as i can't find anything about women's MONTH being celebrated in the UK, it just seems to be a few states in America that celebrate it.
Why are you so angry , so ready to fight !?!
Look I am a confessed ‘people watcher’
We were shopping in Tesco the other day and saw two young women ( obviously a couple) walking around holding hands and occasionally whispering in each other’s ears .
We walked past each other a few times up and down the isles and they were a few places in front of us at the queue .. now the one thing that was clearly noticeable was one of them was kinda ‘edgy’ and definitely more confident than the other and was actively seeking eye contact with anyone they walked past or who walked past them ..
I got the definite feeling that she was ready to ‘ go at it’ or to shout “what are you looking at ? “
Why not just be yourself why go looking for something that probably isn’t there ..
Why are you telling a story about two random lesbians in response to my post.
user104658
09-05-2025, 10:27 AM
i also believe it's all about power and money Maru as it always is. How many businesses jump on the band wagon of the most popular event of the time. It's about money. It's no different to the christmas season, the easter weekend, valentines day etc etc etc. People just by there very nature, do not go out and celebrate anything for a month out of choice
I agree but I do think there's an element of both to consider: Why is the organiser doing it - yes, 99.9% it's purely and simply to make money, they most likely have no real stance or ideology behind it beyond that. But then point 2 is: Why do they believe it will make money? Why WILL it make money? Who will it attract and how do they know it'll attract people? And that's where it's obviously ideologically driven, obviously pointed/snarky and obviously "backlash-generated". Monetising tribalism, essentially.
A few years back I think it would have been less harmful and could have been done almost satirically; an event full of "hetero stereotypes" that could actually be quite a spectacle, in a tongue-in-cheek way. These days it's all far too politically fuelled and the vibe isn't irreverent banter at all, it's bitterness and anger, and will generate more bitterness and anger. And a boatload of denial. Apparently.
Do you have some sort if l8nk or reference to this cause I think that would be women's day in the UK, as i can't find anything about women's MONTH being celebrated in the UK, it just seems to be a few states in America that celebrate it.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/teach/articles/z7rr6v4
https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/articles/cgl0n85wz83o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0q1wk0x1zwo
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0kwvyfs
https://www.bbcselect.com/world/ (U.S and Canada only)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0kwvyfs
https://www.bbc.co.uk/culture/tags/womens-history
user104658
09-05-2025, 10:29 AM
Why are you telling a story about two random lesbians in response to my post.
A story gawping at a couple going about their day in public so intently that he can describe and analyse their every move. It would be disturbing/concerning but on this forum it barely raises an eyebrow :joker:.
user104658
09-05-2025, 10:30 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/teach/articles/z7rr6v4
https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/articles/cgl0n85wz83o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0q1wk0x1zwo
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0kwvyfs
https://www.bbcselect.com/world/ (U.S and Canada only)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0kwvyfs
https://www.bbc.co.uk/culture/tags/womens-history
Just to pre-empt the response you're going to get here: they'll want non-BBC links it'll be disregarded immediately purely because it's BBC.
#TiBB-SD-life
A story gawping at a couple going about their day in public so intently that he can describe and analyse their every move. It would be disturbing/concerning but on this forum it barely raises an eyebrow :joker:.
But...but... but they're just a people watcher. It's innocent.
Moreover I find it interesting that he's accusing me of being ready to fight and then connecting that to a story about another homosexual who he felt was 'ready to fight' ... like why? What do I have to do with this random lesbian couple he once saw? :joker:
Just to pre-empt the response you're going to get here: they'll want non-BBC links it'll be disregarded immediately purely because it's BBC.
#TiBB-SD-life
haha well Livia asked "where is the content from the BBC" and Beso asked for links when I said how they covered it, so beggars can't be choosers :shrug: :laugh:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/teach/articles/z7rr6v4
https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/articles/cgl0n85wz83o
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c0q1wk0x1zwo
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p0kwvyfs
https://www.bbcselect.com/world/ (U.S and Canada only)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0kwvyfs
https://www.bbc.co.uk/culture/tags/womens-history
I don't want school curriculum, or websites of the bbc, or museam piss.....I want carnivals, parades, police doing Moulin rouge or ymca, etc....You got any links for that?
I don't want school curriculum, or websites of the bbc, or museam piss.....I want carnivals, parades, police doing Moulin rouge or ymca, etc....You got any links for that?
You asked for the content the BBC created for Women;'s History Month and I provided this year's content.
If you want anything else, please Google it.
Ive seeen a few vids and clips of women in parks celebrating women's day on 8th march(My birthday) but they don't look very celebratory as it always ends up with them getting screamed at and hounded by a bunch of men pretending to be women.
I want flags and banners and high street stores jumping in the bandwagon.
Fixed that for you.
If you want flags and support from commercial entities, do something about it. :) The world isn't there to cater to your demands, you have to create it yourself like LGBT people did with Pride.Or the MAGA movement
user104658
09-05-2025, 10:50 AM
Or the MAGA movement
How's that going
Livia
09-05-2025, 12:14 PM
Ive seeen a few vids and clips of women in parks celebrating women's day on 8th march(My birthday) but they don't look very celebratory as it always ends up with them getting screamed at and hounded by a bunch of men pretending to be women.
I want flags and banners and high street stores jumping in the bandwagon.
Great post...
Not sure why my post was deleted - the point was if you are sad about the lack of attention a cause you care about is getting but you're doing nothing to CREATE that attention, you have no leg to stand on.
Pride is so big because LGBT people made it so big. Do I hate the corporate side of it? Yes, to a degree absolutely, but the reason it's gotten corporate support it because of a lot of LGBT people creating a movement that got so big commercial entities saw it as potentially commercially beneficial.
If you want funding, if you want flags, if you want attention, if you want column inches, if you want parades, if you want content, literally nothing is stopping you creating it.
user104658
09-05-2025, 12:58 PM
Not sure why my post was deleted - the point was if you are sad about the lack of attention a cause you care about is getting but you're doing nothing to CREATE that attention, you have no leg to stand on.
Pride is so big because LGBT people made it so big. Do I hate the corporate side of it? Yes, to a degree absolutely, but the reason it's gotten corporate support it because of a lot of LGBT people creating a movement that got so big commercial entities saw it as potentially commercially beneficial.
If you want funding, if you want flags, if you want attention, if you want column inches, if you want parades, if you want content, literally nothing is stopping you creating it.
This is mostly correct I would add that there are some economic quirks involved though. Basically the reason it's so big - bleak as it is - is because it generates money. The LGBTQ+ community are (statistically) a huge consumer group; they're spenders, for obvious reasons, as the vast majority (not all, but the majority) fall into the categories of "young free and single" or (the real money pot) ... dual-income adult households with no children (i.e. LARGE disposable income potential).
Generally if you want to know why anything becomes big, follow the money. I say that without judgement it just is what it is... if there's profit to be made from something becoming big and publicised, then it will become big and publicised. Brands jumping on Pride do so because the believe it'll be profitable advertising, if they didn't think it would generate profit, they wouldn't.
Not sure why my post was deleted - the point was if you are sad about the lack of attention a cause you care about is getting but you're doing nothing to CREATE that attention, you have no leg to stand on.
Pride is so big because LGBT people made it so big. Do I hate the corporate side of it? Yes, to a degree absolutely, but the reason it's gotten corporate support it because of a lot of LGBT people creating a movement that got so big commercial entities saw it as potentially commercially beneficial.
If you want funding, if you want flags, if you want attention, if you want column inches, if you want parades, if you want content, literally nothing is stopping you creating it.
People simply don't want harassed by other groups for celebrating women's month
A story gawping at a couple going about their day in public so intently that he can describe and analyse their every move. It would be disturbing/concerning but on this forum it barely raises an eyebrow :joker:.
We passed each other about 5 times whilst shopping you imbecile
user104658
09-05-2025, 01:05 PM
We passed each other absolutely 5 times whilst shopping you imbecile
Yes everyone passes people while they're in the supermarket Zizu, most of us aren't staring at young women taking mental note of their appearance and style, trying to assess their every gesture, and writing bizarre fantasies in our heads about what they would or wouldn't say/do in response to various situations.
It's extremely unusual behavior and I feel like it's important to say so. Not because I think you'll agree but because this weird sht shouldn't be normalised in the world.
Livia
09-05-2025, 01:07 PM
We passed each other about 5 times whilst shopping you imbecile
Ignore his incessant trolling.
user104658
09-05-2025, 01:09 PM
Ignore his incessant trolling.
Yes pop back into your bubble with this lot where it's safe Zizu, this feminist over here won't judge you for eyeballing young girls round the supermarket and making wild assumptions about them then posting them up on the internet.
This place is an absolute zoo, I swear.
Livia
09-05-2025, 01:14 PM
No one was eyeballing young girls, only in your head, toy soldier boy. You're doing your best to bait and you're failing. Maybe try a different hobby. Maybe read a book or something.
You're welcome for all that BBC content you were sure didn't exist, Livia. x
user104658
09-05-2025, 01:35 PM
No one was eyeballing young girls, only in your head, toy soldier boy.
"Deny deny deny" :idc:
We were shopping in Tesco the other day and saw two young women ( obviously a couple) walking around holding hands and occasionally whispering in each other’s ears.
We walked past each other a few times up and down the isles and they were a few places in front of us at the queue .. now the one thing that was clearly noticeable was one of them was kinda ‘edgy’ and definitely more confident than the other and was actively seeking eye contact with anyone they walked past or who walked past them ..
I got the definite feeling that she was ready to ‘ go at it’ or to shout “what are you looking at ?"
We passed each other about 5 times whilst shopping you imbecile
You still created a hypothetical situation in your own mind, and then used it in an argument to compare to me. Why? Why did you choose the example of a lesbian couple in response? What was the thought process behind the example you gave, an example you essentially made up.
If you have to question why one half of a lesbian couple might look towards a man staring at them every time he walks by them, with potential distain and 'ready to fight' then you should probably do some reading, but here are some helpers...
Firstly to be 'obviously in a couple' with one another as an LGBT couple in public is extremely vulnerable and secondly, there is a historical pattern on the way men treat lesbians (as you yourself have pointed out previously with that 'lad banter' in the pub about trying to turn them straight)
Do you really wonder why a lesbian might look unfavourably towards a man constantly surveying them while they're shopping for food. Does it surprise you she might be immediately on the defensive (if she even was?).
user104658
09-05-2025, 01:39 PM
You still created a hypothetical situation in your own mind, and then used it in an argument to compare to me. Why? Why did you choose the example of a lesbian couple in response? What was the thought process behind the example you gave, an example you essentially made up.
In hindsight I think this (and by extension Livia when she said no one was eyeballing anyone) is probably correct; no one was eyeballing anyone because the entire "encounter" was most likely a work of fiction.
Yes everyone passes people while they're in the supermarket Zizu, most of us aren't staring at young women taking mental note of their appearance and style, trying to assess their every gesture, and writing bizarre fantasies in our heads about what they would or wouldn't say/do in response to various situations.
It's extremely unusual behavior and I feel like it's important to say so. Not because I think you'll agree but because this weird sht shouldn't be normalised in the world.
As I mentioned previously ( and clearly) one of them was clearly disgruntled and seemed ‘edgy’ … she was clearly eyeballing people.. maybe someone had made a comment or given a disapproving glance their way - who knows
You still created a hypothetical situation in your own mind, and then used it in an argument to compare to me. Why? Why did you choose the example of a lesbian couple in response? What was the thought process behind the example you gave, an example you essentially made up.
If you have to question why one half of a lesbian couple might look towards a man staring at them every time he walks by them, with potential distain and 'ready to fight' then you should probably do some reading, but here are some helpers...
Firstly to be 'obviously in a couple' with one another as an LGBT couple in public is extremely vulnerable and secondly, there is a historical pattern on the way men treat lesbians (as you yourself have pointed out previously with that 'lad banter' in the pub about trying to turn them straight)
Do you really wonder why a lesbian might look unfavourably towards a man constantly surveying them while they're shopping for food. Does it surprise you she might be immediately on the defensive (if she even was?).
I obviously wasn’t staring at her .. she didn’t even notice me ..
The fact that you are making this into something it clearly isn’t- actually says a lot tbh
user104658
09-05-2025, 01:45 PM
The fact that you are making this into something it clearly isn’t- actually says a lot tbh
I'm going to be blunt Zizu and say that if I or others are making incorrect assumptions about your behaviour or intent, those assumptions are based on many of your other posts on here. You say things like this a lot. You make judgemental posts about young women (specifically), a lot.
Livia
09-05-2025, 01:55 PM
The fact that you are making this into something it clearly isn’t- actually says a lot tbh
It's the kind of manipulative stuff that happens in school. Don't take these crass comments to heart.
I'm going to be blunt Zizu and say that if I or others are making incorrect assumptions about your behaviour or intent, those assumptions are based on many of your other posts on here. You say things like this a lot. You make judgemental posts about young women (specifically), a lot.
stop being blinking personal
Not sure why my post was deleted - the point was if you are sad about the lack of attention a cause you care about is getting but you're doing nothing to CREATE that attention, you have no leg to stand on.
Pride is so big because LGBT people made it so big. Do I hate the corporate side of it? Yes, to a degree absolutely, but the reason it's gotten corporate support it because of a lot of LGBT people creating a movement that got so big commercial entities saw it as potentially commercially beneficial.
If you want funding, if you want flags, if you want attention, if you want column inches, if you want parades, if you want content, literally nothing is stopping you creating it.
I know that..but this bloke is getting a hell if a lot of stick for doing just that by the LGBTQ community, both on here and outside of here.
A paragraph from the initial story.
He said in a video shared last week on the bar’s Instagram account that he had reached out to a number of corporations who have donated to LGBTQ Pride celebrations over the years to ask if they would support the event, and they told him they typically only donate to registered nonprofits. As a result, he said, he created the nonprofit Heterosexual Awesomeness Inc., which will host the festival, though he hasn’t heard back from any major donors yet.
Perhaps the uproar people have created is stopping his funding...
user104658
09-05-2025, 03:15 PM
stop being blinking personal
I'd take your suggestion a little more seriously if you'd ever shown an inclination to ask Livia (for example; there are others) to stop being personal ... but you won't, so I'll file your suggestion away under "no, if I'm going to stay on this forum it's not going to be to put my feet up and enable people's weirdness". Zizu makes weird comments about women on endless threads, and his post about "people watching" a young lesbian couple in the supermarket is fkn bizarre. If we can't point this stuff out I just don't know what to say. lol.
Benjamin
09-05-2025, 03:21 PM
I know that..but this bloke is getting a hell if a lot of stick for doing just that by the LGBTQ community, both on here and outside of here.
A paragraph from the initial story.
He said in a video shared last week on the bar’s Instagram account that he had reached out to a number of corporations who have donated to LGBTQ Pride celebrations over the years to ask if they would support the event, and they told him they typically only donate to registered nonprofits. As a result, he said, he created the nonprofit Heterosexual Awesomeness Inc., which will host the festival, though he hasn’t heard back from any major donors yet.
Perhaps the uproar people have created is stopping his funding...
It’s probably more because he’s doing it as a negative reaction to something else rather than a celebration.
I'd take your suggestion a little more seriously if you'd ever shown an inclination to ask Livia (for example; there are others) to stop being personal ... but you won't, so I'll file your suggestion away under "no, if I'm going to stay on this forum it's not going to be to put my feet up and enable people's weirdness". Zizu makes weird comments about women on endless threads, and his post about "people watching" a young lesbian couple in the supermarket is fkn bizarre. If we can't point this stuff out I just don't know what to say. lol.
Says the man who watches and describes his ex bookie punters almost weekly to each and every one of us right here on TIBB.
:shrug:
user104658
09-05-2025, 03:26 PM
Do you fancy quoting a post to go with that, Parmy? I'll assume you can quote 52 from the last year. But I'll settle for one. Watching random people that is; not interacting with people, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you understand what the difference is.
It’s probably more because he’s doing it as a negative reaction to something else rather than a celebration.
Yes. A negative reaction to public lewdness. Has brought on the desire for a more wholesome way of celebrating and promoting things.
user104658
09-05-2025, 03:28 PM
Yes. A negative reaction to public lewdness.
Oh I thought we couldn't make ANY assumptions about his reasons for doing it without talking to him? Thank you, though, for FINALLY admitting that you know fine well why the event has been created - not that it wasn't obvious that everyone already knew what the event is and why it's been made - but the constant pretending that it "wasn't a backlash" and was just a completely normal, unrelated event was getting quite tiring.
Benjamin
09-05-2025, 03:30 PM
Yes. A negative reaction to public lewdness. Has brought on the desire for a more wholesome way of celebrating and promoting things.
Yeah ok, if you say so.
If he wanted an actual celebration he could pick any time of year. He’s chosen specifically to run it when he has as a negative reaction. That’s not a celebration.
Do you fancy quoting a post to go with that, Parmy? I'll assume you can quote 52 from the last year. But I'll settle for one. Watching random people that is; not interacting with people, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you understand what the difference is.
Oh I can't be bothered with all that, but you do go on about their appearance a lot.
You made me shiver there, thinking about checking your posts. Clicking them hoping to find something, imagine having to sort through all that gumpf.
Oh I thought we couldn't make ANY assumptions about his reasons for doing it without talking to him? Thank you, though, for FINALLY admitting that you know fine well why the event has been created - not that it wasn't obvious that everyone already knew what the event is and why it's been made - but the constant pretending that it "wasn't a backlash" and was just a completely normal, unrelated event was getting quite tiring.
He said it himself, it's quoted in the story.
I was pointing out to Ben that that would be what he was reacting to if it was a reaction ti something rather than a celebration. Unless he's lying of course, then you both may be correct. But we can only go on what we have in front of us, and that is the story, and what the man has said in the story.
Yeah ok, if you say so.
If he wanted an actual celebration he could pick any time of year. He’s chosen specifically to run it when he has as a negative reaction. That’s not a celebration.
Yeah, to highlight a more wholesome way to celebrate that doesn't involve public lewdness.
There's plenty space for both to take place.
Benjamin
09-05-2025, 03:56 PM
Yeah, to highlight a more wholesome way to celebrate that doesn't involve public lewdness.
There's plenty space for both to take place.
You asked though why he wasn’t getting funding. I’ve said, that’s probably why.
I know that..but this bloke is getting a hell if a lot of stick for doing just that by the LGBTQ community, both on here and outside of here.
A paragraph from the initial story.
He said in a video shared last week on the bar’s Instagram account that he had reached out to a number of corporations who have donated to LGBTQ Pride celebrations over the years to ask if they would support the event, and they told him they typically only donate to registered nonprofits. As a result, he said, he created the nonprofit Heterosexual Awesomeness Inc., which will host the festival, though he hasn’t heard back from any major donors yet.
Perhaps the uproar people have created is stopping his funding...
The guy is getting stick because his intentions are poor.
If you create an event as a way to create further division, and not in good faith but out of spite and as a reaction, do not expect many corporations to step up and fund it. :shrug: He isn't owed ****. More than that, funding any kind of social 'movement' is a marketing strategy and it's about return on investment - perhaps they understand an event like this won't really gain any traction because it isn't actually necessary. Every day people are celebrating heterosexuality. Nobody is being truly persecuted anywhere in the world for being straight and so who would sponsor an event that is effectively redundant and pointless. It's poor business. And on a purely superficial level, who would sponsor an event with a name Hetero Awesome Fest :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
However, I was actually talking about Women's History Month and the (fake) outrage levelled at lack of attention to it.
Or am I assuming those outraged at it receiving so little attention, while Pride receives lots, have worked tirelessly in campaigning to bring attention to it, obtain funding, create parades and fundraisers and have been blocked at every corner? (even though they didn't know it existed until pointed out to them on a Big Brother forum because they don't actually care and aren't actually bothered about Women's History Month they were just using it as a stick to beat pride with lmao). A very cliched and transparent tactic.
You asked though why he wasn’t getting funding. I’ve said, that’s probably why.
We covered that. You then said..."Yeah, if you say so"
Then put your own view about the man being deliberate in his actions. Im like, yeah, so what. He wants to promote something he sees as more wholesome in comparison, and I then made a point of there being enough room for both. You then replied again, pointing out something I was already aware of, which has led me to reply by repeating what is already obvious in our previous couple of posts.
Cherie
09-05-2025, 04:18 PM
Tbf to Zizu, I think we all people watch especially when standing in a queue at the supermarket :shrug: not sure that its that weird a thing to do?
The guy is getting stick because his intentions are poor.
If you create an event as a way to create further division, and not in good faith but out of spite and as a reaction, do not expect many corporations to step up and fund it. :shrug: He isn't owed ****. More than that, funding any kind of social 'movement' is a marketing strategy and it's about return on investment - perhaps they understand an event like this won't really gain any traction because it isn't actually necessary. Every day people are celebrating heterosexuality. Nobody is being truly persecuted anywhere in the world for being straight and so who would sponsor an event that is effectively redundant and pointless. It's poor business. And on a purely superficial level, who would sponsor an event with a name Hetero Awesome Fest :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
However, I was actually talking about Women's History Month and the (fake) outrage levelled at lack of attention to it.
Or am I assuming those outraged at it receiving so little attention, while Pride receives lots, have worked tirelessly in campaigning to bring attention to it, obtain funding, create parades and fundraisers and have been blocked at every corner? (even though they didn't know it existed until pointed out to them on a Big Brother forum because they don't actually care and aren't actually bothered about Women's History Month they were just using it as a stick to beat pride with lmao). A very cliched and transparent tactic.
Just that top part...
If you create an event as a way to create further division, and not in good faith but out of spite and as a reaction, do not expect many corporations to step up and fund it.
You are making assumptions, which in turn creates division when you air it in public. Your head is to far up your own arse for you to realise that.
The 2nd part about women's MONTH.. it's basically for schools. Women's day is the celebration. The same celebration that people with their heads to far up their own arses as well use to widen any divide that already existed by heckling and abusing women celebraring their womanhood.
Livia
09-05-2025, 04:27 PM
It's not that I don't care about women's issues, I just don't think that everyone needs a month to wave their flags. There are only twelve months in a year, after all, how are all the aggrieved going to be fitted in? And maybe I missed Women's Month because it wasn't pushed down all our throats. There were no flags up in my bank, there was for Pride month. There wasn't a general jumping on the bandwagon by businesses wanting to show their support for DEI (as far as that goes...), The BBC programmes are all well and good if you watch programmes created by an organisation who think women can have penises and who create shortlists that exclude people, regardless of their qualifications. The BBC can;t put together a VE day tribute without depicting a 40s family that was comprised of black and other ethnic people. Seriously, who would turn to them for information?
Livia
09-05-2025, 04:27 PM
Tbf to Zizu, I think we all people watch especially when standing in a queue at the supermarket :shrug: not sure that its that weird a thing to do?
Me neither.
Benjamin
09-05-2025, 04:37 PM
We covered that. You then said..."Yeah, if you say so"
Then put your own view about the man being deliberate in his actions. Im like, yeah, so what. He wants to promote something he sees as more wholesome in comparison, and I then made a point of there being enough room for both. You then replied again, pointing out something I was already aware of, which has led me to reply by repeating what is already obvious in our previous couple of posts.
He was deliberate in his actions, that’s quite clear.
But you asked why he wasn’t getting any sponsors. I answered you with why I think why. You then suggested it was in reaction to public lewdness, to which I pointed out that’s not a celebration, it’s a reaction. Not sure what else you’d like me to say. I was answering the questions you asked and points you raised.
He was deliberate in his actions, that’s quite clear.
But you asked why he wasn’t getting and sponsors. I answered you with why I think why. You then suggested it was in reaction to public lewdness, to which I pointed out that’s not a celebration, it’s a reaction. Not sure what else you’d like me to say. I was answering the questions you asked.
Yep..and the reaction has caused a celebration that some people have a reaction to..:shrug:
Nuff room and money for both eh.:hug:
Benjamin
09-05-2025, 04:41 PM
Tbf to Zizu, I think we all people watch especially when standing in a queue at the supermarket :shrug: not sure that its that weird a thing to do?
Yeah I wouldn’t say it’s weird. I love people watching. Sitting in a coffee shop and people watching is great.
Benjamin
09-05-2025, 04:42 PM
Yep..and the reaction has caused a celebration that some people have a reaction to..:shrug:
Nuff room for both eh.:hug:
I don’t care when he runs it, or if he wants to run. I have better things to worry about. I was just pointing out one of the reasons he’s not getting sponsors. :laugh:
I don't think people watching is weird, I think watching the same specific person as you go round the shop is odd, and then making up stories about how she was looking for a fight because she seemed 'edgy' and then using her as an example in reply to a post I made weird... yeah, I find that weird.
Just that top part...
You are making assumptions, which in turn creates division when you air it in public. Your head is to far up your own arse for you to realise that.
He has specifically stated himself he launched it to coincide with Pride month because he is against homosexuality. I'm not making assumptions.
I don't think people watching is weird, I think watching the same specific person as you go round the shop is odd, and then making up stories about how she was looking for a fight because she seemed 'edgy' and then using her as an example in reply to a post I made weird... yeah, I find that weird.
We walked in the supermarket together and of course walked past each other at least 5 times .. it’s also hard to miss someone who stood out due to her somewhat erratic ( attention seeking ?) behaviour …
These types of conversations never go anywhere as you are too blinkered and don’t even read the relevant posts
He has specifically stated himself he launched it to coincide with Pride month because he is against homosexuality. I'm not making assumptions.
Pride month is in september, and has been since the pandemic in his city/town..his event is in June.(prides official month)
His belief in god is the leading factor on his views on homosexuality..He said, it doesn't mean he doesn't love people, and explained you can love people without agreeing with what they chose to do in life.
It's not that I don't care about women's issues, I just don't think that everyone needs a month to wave their flags. There are only twelve months in a year, after all, how are all the aggrieved going to be fitted in? And maybe I missed Women's Month because it wasn't pushed down all our throats. There were no flags up in my bank, there was for Pride month. There wasn't a general jumping on the bandwagon by businesses wanting to show their support for DEI (as far as that goes...)
I think maybe the point I'm making is none of what pride is now (and it is very different and not always good I will admit) just magicked out of nowhere. It's grown over decades because LGBT people made sure it did. The riots started from LGBT people, a gay man created the pride flag, LGBT people set up charities which in turn created fundraisers, etc etc... so on so forth. If you want to see flags up for Women's Month, create a flag. Go to local shops and explain your cause, create what you want to see. If you don't, don't whine about not seeing it.
The industry I do some of my work in is heavily male dominated and so one year on International Woman's Day, I did a profile piece on many women in the industry by creating a piece of content to shine a light on women in a field so populated by men. The content was well received and appreciated and it was a piece of work I did because I thought it was important to highlight and appreciate these amazing women doing great work, and it wasn't really something I saw much of. You create what you want to see in the hope it inspires other to follow suit, build momentum and form into something significant.
Are LGBTQ saying nobody else can do anything in June?
Even if there isn't a pride event going on, people still don't have a right to celebrate things in June cause that's been reserved for LGBTQ..
Is that really what's happening here?
Pride month is in september, and has been since the pandemic in his city/town..his event is in June.(prides official month)
His belief in god is the leading factor on his views on homosexuality..He said, it doesn't mean he doesn't love people, and explained you can love people without agreeing with what they chose to do in life.
The parade is in September, but Pride Month is June in the country he lives in. Last year he created Heterosexual Awesomeness Month, in June, in response to Pride Month.
The bar offered various specials throughout June, including free beers for "heterosexual men dressed like heterosexual men" on Mondays and discounts for heterosexual couples on Wednesdays.
The bar's owner, Mark Fitzpatrick, said he was inspired to create the event as a way to celebrate heterosexuality and "God's design for sexuality" in response to the Pride celebrations happening in his area.
The bar’s Facebook page also shared an image of a child vomiting rainbow with the caption “Protect the children,” invoking a decades-old false moral panic that LGBTQ people are dangerous to children — rhetoric increasingly weaponized by the right in recent years.
The bar wrote in response to the image, “This wouldn’t be posted if things hadn’t gone way too far!”
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/idaho-bar-celebrates-heterosexual-awesomeness-month-response-pride-mon-rcna156063
If you think it wasn't in response to Pride month, and that it's done "with love" despite all of that information then I have news for you about whose head is up their own ass. And it ain't mine.
Are LGBTQ saying nobody else can do anything in June?
Even if there isn't a pride event going on, people still don't have a right to celebrate things in June cause that's been reserved for LGBTQ..
Is that really what's happening here?
lol no. Anyone can do what they want. But if you create Y in response to X because you disagree with X in the same month as X is happening prepare to be met with people questioning your intentions :)
Livia
09-05-2025, 05:11 PM
Run everything past the LGBTQ+ people in future, make sure it doesn't make them mad and start telling people their head is up their ass.
user104658
09-05-2025, 05:14 PM
Run everything past the LGBTQ+ people in future, make sure it doesn't make them mad and start telling people their head is up their ass.
As has been thoroughly discussed, we all know that the INTENT is to "make them mad" (though in this case I imagine it gets more of a "sigh and an eye roll" than actually making anyone mad, because it's painfully juvenile).
The parade is in September, but Pride Month is June in the country he lives in. Last year he created Heterosexual Awesomeness Month, in June, in response to Pride Month.
The bar offered various specials throughout June, including free beers for "heterosexual men dressed like heterosexual men" on Mondays and discounts for heterosexual couples on Wednesdays.
The bar's owner, Mark Fitzpatrick, said he was inspired to create the event as a way to celebrate heterosexuality and "God's design for sexuality" in response to the Pride celebrations happening in his area.
The bar’s Facebook page also shared an image of a child vomiting rainbow with the caption “Protect the children,” invoking a decades-old false moral panic that LGBTQ people are dangerous to children — rhetoric increasingly weaponized by the right in recent years.
The bar wrote in response to the image, “This wouldn’t be posted if things hadn’t gone way too far!”
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/idaho-bar-celebrates-heterosexual-awesomeness-month-response-pride-mon-rcna156063
If you think it wasn't in response to Pride month, and that it's done "with love" despite all of that information then I have news for you about whose head is up their own ass. And it ain't mine.
I dont think the information is totally correct for the reasons....the news outlet is saying he posted this, said that etc in response to the LGBTQ community, when If you look at what he was against it's more to do with the T of LGBTQ.
A letter that simply doesn't belong beside the rest, in my opinion, and perhaps this gentleman's as well.:shrug:
We walked in the supermarket together and of course walked past each other at least 5 times .. it’s also hard to miss someone who stood out due to her somewhat erratic ( attention seeking ?) behaviour …
These types of conversations never go anywhere as you are too blinkered and don’t even read the relevant posts
Look, I took issue with you saying to me "Why are you so angry, so ready to fight" and then directly retelling a story about an angry lesbian, and then ending it with: Why not just be yourself why go looking for something that probably isn’t there...
You still haven't answered why you chose an 'angry lesbian' as the subject of your story. It's my belief you were trying to angle your post to suggest gay people look for offence when it's not there.
Maybe you were not, but it's just interesting to me why you chose another LGBT person to illustrate the idea of 'looking for a fight' when statistically its straight men who turn to violence more than any other demographic. I fail to believe you've never seen an angry straight guy to use as your example.
I dont think the information is totally correct for the reasons....the news outlet is saying he posted this, said that etc in response to the LGBTQ community, when If you look at what he was against it's more to do with the T of LGBTQ.
A letter that simply doesn't belong beside the rest, in my opinion, and perhaps this gentleman's as well.:shrug:
I'm just going by what he himself as said about homosexuality.
Run everything past the LGBTQ+ people in future, make sure it doesn't make them mad and start telling people their head is up their ass.
It was Beso who threw the first 'head up ass' comment Livia, I was simply returning the favour :joker:
As has been thoroughly discussed, we all know that the INTENT is to "make them mad" (though in this case I imagine it gets more of a "sigh and an eye roll" than actually making anyone mad, because it's painfully juvenile).
There must be videos of last year's event somewhere on YouTube. :joker:
Liam-
09-05-2025, 05:26 PM
It’s really funny how the longer these ‘everyone should just be equal!’ people, especially when it comes to minorities being treated well, the more they just expose themselves as hateful people who don’t want minorities to be treated as well as everybody else, the anger towards pride month is so nonsensical and just outright ignorant.
If you want to celebrate heterosexuality, go ahead, lgbt people really couldn’t care less, were used to these types of people hating us, but just be honest about it and don’t try to pretend it’s about something it’s very clearly not, you don’t like lgbt people or the attention and support they get, that’s it
I'm just going by what he himself as said about homosexuality.
They used the vomiting child, which is a clear indication that this man leans more towards the uproar that trans activists have caused within the LGBTQ community trying to push laws that effect children, The rest of you should have booted them out for that.
But it seems the majority cut their noses of to spite their faces to support the beliefs of the group's minority. I suppose, on the plus side for me. It explains how the heads get so far up the arses.
I need to say also, that the lesbian in the co op sounded more protective than angry, in Zizu's description. To me, anyway.
They used the vomiting child, which is a clear indication that this man leans more towards the uproar that trans activists have caused within the LGBTQ community trying to push laws that effect children, The rest of you should have booted them out for that.
But it seems the majority cut their noses of to spite their faces to support the beliefs of the group's minority. I suppose, on the plus side for me. It explains how the heads get so far up the arses.
As I have mentioned before, we don't act as a monolithic group and send out newsletters, there is now 'booting them out'.
I mean this in the nicest of ways, but I don't believe you have the experience of what it means to be LGBT and the things you see and hear from people... people who think a kid reading a book where the character happens to have two dads is 'indoctrination' and 'brain washing' and 'trying to turn kids gay', for example.
The kid vomiting the rainbow has been used over and over again to symbolise LGBTQ+ people in general 'being a danger to kids' and trying to 'indoctrinate them with the gay agenda'. It's not specifically about trans people, there are plenty of people who think that no kid should know why two men love one another and any mention of it is 'grooming'.
That's nice but I was referring to puberty blockers and all that. Kids should be taught that there can be 2 dad's, 2 mum's etc. what kids shouldn't be taught is what they are feeling about themselves at a very young age means one specific thing.
I think things like that are where this man's gripes about the LGBTQ community may lay.
That's nice but I was referring to puberty blockers and all that. Kids should be taught that there can be 2 dad's, 2 mum's etc. what kids shouldn't be taught is what they are feeling about themselves at a very young age means one specific thing.
I think things like that are where this man's gripes about the LGBTQ community may lay.
I know - what I am saying is your assumption he his issues lie with trans is because he used the child voting a rainbow image. I’m telling you that isn’t used just for anti-trans but also just anti gay in general because of the rhetoric gay people are a risk to children. The man himself has said he’s against homosexuality. These are just the facts of the matter.
I know - what I am saying is your assumption he his issues lie with trans is because he used the child voting a rainbow image. I’m telling you that isn’t used just for anti-trans but also just anti gay in general because of the rhetoric gay people are a risk to children. The man himself has said he’s against homosexuality. These are just the facts of the matter.
That all came later in the article..fair enough it was referencing something the bar probably posted before he said the stuff about the children that was printed earlier in the article, but adding the whole article up after 're reading it a few times I do still come to the conclusion that he's more fed up with the trans aspect of things rather than the 2 gay males side of things. His disgust at public lewdness aside.
Mystic Mock
10-05-2025, 05:39 AM
Yes. A negative reaction to public lewdness. Has brought on the desire for a more wholesome way of celebrating and promoting things.
Public lewdness is a possibility at the Hetro Awareness event.
Mystic Mock
10-05-2025, 05:44 AM
Tbf to Zizu, I think we all people watch especially when standing in a queue at the supermarket :shrug: not sure that its that weird a thing to do?
It would depend on how long he was staring at them for, and if he was deliberately following them around imo.
Which my belief from what I've seen from Zizu on here, is that I don't believe him to be stalking women.
Speaking for myself though, I tend to avoid eye contact with strangers as much as possible.:laugh:
Mystic Mock
10-05-2025, 05:48 AM
I think maybe the point I'm making is none of what pride is now (and it is very different and not always good I will admit) just magicked out of nowhere. It's grown over decades because LGBT people made sure it did. The riots started from LGBT people, a gay man created the pride flag, LGBT people set up charities which in turn created fundraisers, etc etc... so on so forth. If you want to see flags up for Women's Month, create a flag. Go to local shops and explain your cause, create what you want to see. If you don't, don't whine about not seeing it.
The industry I do some of my work in is heavily male dominated and so one year on International Woman's Day, I did a profile piece on many women in the industry by creating a piece of content to shine a light on women in a field so populated by men. The content was well received and appreciated and it was a piece of work I did because I thought it was important to highlight and appreciate these amazing women doing great work, and it wasn't really something I saw much of. You create what you want to see in the hope it inspires other to follow suit, build momentum and form into something significant.
Women do great work?:shocked::dog:
Mystic Mock
10-05-2025, 05:55 AM
The parade is in September, but Pride Month is June in the country he lives in. Last year he created Heterosexual Awesomeness Month, in June, in response to Pride Month.
The bar offered various specials throughout June, including free beers for "heterosexual men dressed like heterosexual men" on Mondays and discounts for heterosexual couples on Wednesdays.
The bar's owner, Mark Fitzpatrick, said he was inspired to create the event as a way to celebrate heterosexuality and "God's design for sexuality" in response to the Pride celebrations happening in his area.
The bar’s Facebook page also shared an image of a child vomiting rainbow with the caption “Protect the children,” invoking a decades-old false moral panic that LGBTQ people are dangerous to children — rhetoric increasingly weaponized by the right in recent years.
The bar wrote in response to the image, “This wouldn’t be posted if things hadn’t gone way too far!”
https://www.nbcnews.com/nbc-out/out-news/idaho-bar-celebrates-heterosexual-awesomeness-month-response-pride-mon-rcna156063
If you think it wasn't in response to Pride month, and that it's done "with love" despite all of that information then I have news for you about whose head is up their own ass. And it ain't mine.
The Far Right always love to play that card.
But then I catch Melonie Mac (A Far Right YouTuber) for example calling Alice from Alice In Wonderland "pretty" in one of the Video Game iterations of the character.:umm2:
And she's one of those moral panic types about the LGBT community.
It would depend on how long he was staring at them for, and if he was deliberately following them around imo.
Which my belief from what I've seen from Zizu on here, is that I don't believe him to be stalking women.
Speaking for myself though, I tend to avoid eye contact with strangers as much as possible.:laugh:
I explained thoroughly.. we weren’t following them around… simply passing them repeatedly in the supermarket isles as you do sometimes
We occasionally see an friend and then bump into them numerous times walking around the supermarket
Also, I purposefully avoided any eye contact because one of them seemed to be a tad twitchy / hyper … and not staring just casual people watching as you do
Mystic Mock
10-05-2025, 06:01 AM
I explained thoroughly.. we weren’t following them around… simply passing them repeatedly in the supermarket isles as you do sometimes
We occasionally see an friend and then bump into them numerous times walking around the supermarket
Also, I purposefully avoided any eye contact because one of them seemed to be a tad twitchy / hyper ..
Tbf I've had that happen sometimes as well.
I tend to feel bad for the other person because they probably think I'm being a creep.:laugh:
The Far Right always love to play that card.
Yes they do, particularly in the US. And of course, if they really cared about children they'd do something about the very preventable leading cause of deaths in kids in the U.S which is gun-related violence. But they don't actually care about children's safety, so they don't care about gun control - just control of women's bodies and gay people existing in society.
Public lewdness is a possibility at the Hetro Awareness event.
I will say, I don't agree with some of the more extreme (albeit rare) half-nakedness in some Pride parades - I think Pride Parades should be a fun thing for all the family to watch and so should be age-appropriate.
There is an element of showcasing kinks sometimes and I think that has its place, but in an adults-only environment.
Having said that, I've attended a few parades over the years and the most extreme I have seen are a a few guys wearing leather trousers and leather waistcoats and a few people with pup masks on... it's not anything explicit (you'd see more flesh on a beach and the leather has never been revealing!) and to a kid the pup masks would be totally innocent, but I can absolutely see why some might take umbrage with it.
However, Prides aren't new and so while I think it wouldn't hurt to tame a couple of aspects down a little, nobody is being forced to watch. If someone thinks it inappropriate for their child, they're free not to attend. People know what to expect.
But your point is correct - the idea straight people can't be lewd is ridiculous.
….I'm not going to join this discussion but for BBXX ….I was reading this …
‘Straight pride events in the past have had a woefully sad history. In 2019 a group called Happy Fun America held one in Boston where counter-protesters far outnumbered those marching. The same was true at an concurrent event in California. And what could be considered the start of the movement occurred in 2015 in Seattle when activist Anthony Rebello promoted a Straight Pride parade. LGBTQNation writes "he invited thousands of people via Facebook, writing: 'In the name of equality & equal rights, I have created this event to celebrate our right to be heterosexual, and to encourage younger heterosexuals that they should be proud of their heterosexuality.'"
At the parade, he marched alone with a hand-held cardboard sign.’
…so in regards to any funding/sponsorship as you and Benjamin have said…it obviously doesn’t have that wide belief in its motivation …(…atm…)…to have that and is presumably a very small minority….
Livia
10-05-2025, 08:56 AM
I've been to Pride events in the past. I would not take my kids, I don't think what I saw would be appropriate for young kids. So, and in line with BBXX's advice, I know what to expect and will stay away. Pity people can't have the same attitude with this straight pride event.
Vicky.
10-05-2025, 09:05 AM
I've been to Pride events in the past. I would not take my kids, I don't think what I saw would be appropriate for young kids. So, and in line with BBXX's advice, I know what to expect and will stay away. Pity people can't have the same attitude with this straight pride event.
I agree with this, grown men in thongs and gimp masks are not the kind of thing kids should be around. But because I have seen this multiple times I know not to take kids to it. I think sometimes people do expect it to be family friendly tho and take kids without knowing what will be there. I genuinely do not understand why playing out kinks in public has anything to do with lgbt pride..
….I'm not going to join this discussion but for BBXX ….I was reading this …
‘Straight pride events in the past have had a woefully sad history. In 2019 a group called Happy Fun America held one in Boston where counter-protesters far outnumbered those marching. The same was true at an concurrent event in California. And what could be considered the start of the movement occurred in 2015 in Seattle when activist Anthony Rebello promoted a Straight Pride parade. LGBTQNation writes "he invited thousands of people via Facebook, writing: 'In the name of equality & equal rights, I have created this event to celebrate our right to be heterosexual, and to encourage younger heterosexuals that they should be proud of their heterosexuality.'"
At the parade, he marched alone with a hand-held cardboard sign.’
…so in regards to any funding/sponsorship as you and Benjamin have said…it obviously doesn’t have that wide belief in its motivation …(…atm…)…to have that and is presumably a very small minority….
LOL, that's funny. I would say I hope he was suitably embarrassed but that would require a level of emotional intelligence and self awareness I don't think someone organising such a thing would be able to comprehend.
A straight pride will never gather mainstream popularity because most people have a basic level of education which enables them to understand that pride isn't about celebrating men having sex with men, it's about celebrating turning the tide on historical prejudices, discriminatory laws, decades of widespread homophobia and mistreatment as well as continuing campaigning for certain issues still taking place across the World.
It would be mighty odd for straight pride to really exist in any widespread capacity when none of that applies to heterosexuality.
However I will see it's also strange for this man, who is so devout in his religion is goes by the word of God whatever God says (lol yeah right) would create a pride-based celebration of sexuality when pRiDe iS a sIn.
It's almost like, once again, he doesn't actually care about the teachings of God, just the ones that make him feel icky for some reason he can't put his finger on. :joker: :joker:
LOL, that's funny. I would say I hope he was suitably embarrassed but that would require a level of emotional intelligence and self awareness I don't think someone organising such a thing would be able to comprehend.
A straight pride will never gather mainstream popularity because most people have a basic level of education which enables them to understand that pride isn't about celebrating men having sex with men, it's about celebrating turning the tide on historical prejudices, discriminatory laws, decades of widespread homophobia and mistreatment as well as continuing campaigning for certain issues still taking place across the World.
It would be mighty odd for straight pride to really exist in any widespread capacity when none of that applies to heterosexuality.
However I will see it's also strange for this man, who is so devout in his religion is goes by the word of God whatever God says (lol yeah right) would create a pride-based celebration of sexuality when pRiDe iS a sIn.
It's almost like, once again, he doesn't actually care about the teachings of God, just the ones that make him feel icky for some reason he can't put his finger on. :joker: :joker:
…see, the/any religious connection has great relevancy for me because I was brought up as a Catholic and always had the mindset instilled on me that God/Jesus Christ was all loving …but actually I was actually just now deep in thought, not specifically about any Pride celebrations as such but how there still isn’t an equality of love …my specific thoughts were of some work colleagues and how I recall one year we had two staff marriages celebrated one year, a few years back…?…one was a heterosexual union and the other was a homosexual….long story short, for the heterosexual wedding, the bride was allowed at the school to show a beautiful photograph album of special the day and say…’this is my husband’….with the homosexual wedding…?…he wasn’t allowed to do the same with his year group and always advised to stay vague in his introduction of his partner at any school events…’this is a friend’, type thing….anyway, not related to the topic but just pondering why some things are very rightfully celebrated…
Tbf I've had that happen sometimes as well.
I tend to feel bad for the other person because they probably think I'm being a creep.:laugh:
Yes it can actually be embarrassing after the 4th or 5th time as you run out of funny things to say
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I agree with this, grown men in thongs and gimp masks are not the kind of thing kids should be around. But because I have seen this multiple times I know not to take kids to it. I think sometimes people do expect it to be family friendly tho and take kids without knowing what will be there. I genuinely do not understand why playing out kinks in public has anything to do with lgbt pride..
It's a very complex subject - 'Kink culture' has always been part of the LGBT community and has been part of Pride since it's inception, and hiding it away at an event meant to shine a light on the community feels counter productive.
While I think Pride Parades are a great opportunity for families to enjoy and support and for gay kids to feel part of something, that's just my personal opinion, and as a result I would feel it best it be all-age-appropriate.
However, it's important to remember Pride started as a riot and a protest and for most of history has been just that - it's never been a family-friendly event up until more recently, and there is a complexity in 'toning down' the reality of the event to suit a heteronormative society...
Here is a good article on it: https://www.businessinsider.com/kink-at-pride-discourse-explained-kinks-role-in-lgbtq-history-2021-6
I guess a perfect balance would be to have some family friendly acts/activities early on during a pride festival, and then the pride parade be for adults only.
It's a very complex subject - 'Kink culture' has always been part of the LGBT community and has been part of Pride since it's inception, and hiding it away at an event meant to shine a light on the community feels counter productive.
While I think Pride Parades are a great opportunity for families to enjoy and support and for gay kids to feel part of something, that's just my personal opinion, and as a result I would feel it best it be all-age-appropriate.
However, it's important to remember Pride started as a riot and a protest and for most of history has been just that - it's never been a family-friendly event up until more recently, and there is a complexity in 'toning down' the reality of the event to suit a heteronormative society...
Here is a good article on it: https://www.businessinsider.com/kink-at-pride-discourse-explained-kinks-role-in-lgbtq-history-2021-6
I guess a perfect balance would be to have some family friendly acts/activities early on during a pride festival, and then the pride parade be for adults only.
…yeah, I know that it’s not something that came about as a family friendly event but because things do evolve and because it is such a celebration and it is promoted by many retailers etc…it would be nice if all organisers and councils etc could get together and blend a celebration that was felt to be inclusive to all as you say…
user104658
10-05-2025, 11:40 AM
I explained thoroughly.. we weren’t following them around… simply passing them repeatedly in the supermarket isles as you do sometimes
We occasionally see an friend and then bump into them numerous times walking around the supermarket
Also, I purposefully avoided any eye contact because one of them seemed to be a tad twitchy / hyper … and not staring just casual people watching as you do
Probably best not to labour the point Zizu but it's not that you were observing/noticing people that's an issue, it's that you thought about them so intently that you formed an entire (fictional!) narrative about them in your head that was largely rooted in them being a gay couple and then relayed it on here, for unknown reasons.
And it's being viewed into the context of the other scathing, disparaging, critical , often borderline aggressive, comments you've made directed at women (mostly young women) in the past. Your past comments make me skeptical about your intent. That's how social interaction works.
arista
10-05-2025, 12:01 PM
[A local restaurant owner is organizing
the Boise event after hosting a
“Heterosexual Awesomeness Month” last year.]
What a Spiffing Idea
to keep his Restaurant alive.
Yes they do, particularly in the US. And of course, if they really cared about children they'd do something about the very preventable leading cause of deaths in kids in the U.S which is gun-related violence. But they don't actually care about children's safety, so they don't care about gun control - just control of women's bodies and gay people existing in society.
Trust me when I say, the more people in the US experience this kind of outlandish view in the real world, they instinctively cling harder to their rights. This includes many liberal folk as well. We're not taught "protect gun rights at all costs"; We're taught to protect ALL rights at all costs. So yes, we know what we are actually hearing lol. It often comes from the same people who don't believe we can be left alone to follow good conscience and that curtailing Free Speech, Gun Rights and everything else is the easiest way to solve society's ills. Even though the West is declining on the whole culturally, so it's obviously not that simple, and it's one of the main reasons I like reading what people have to say here in SD about other parts of the world.
On just 1st Amendment alone, there is no right or left America. That doesn't exist. So it's odd to make protecting 2nd into being part of a one-sided political boogieman when it's considered a fundamental part of 1st. That's the reason for its order in the Constitution.
On the politicization of children, the media loves to focus on these arguments because it upsets political fringes. However, that's not fair to most people who still very comfortably can get along well and agree to hold key views in common. My experience has always been in a vast majority of cases that people do very much care about "the kids" and there isn't some enlightened monopoly that happens to "care more". No pun intended, but these are the arguments of a child.
My biggest hope is that my children enjoy the same rights I have another 200 years from now. We enjoy a prosperous life in the West by comparison to many nations (and especially history) and I think people lose sight of this. I am blessed every day I live where I do. So I am not going to give up a life and a philosophy I hold dear because of a few toasty memes or what trolls might write online on some media website out of boredom. It's amusing how many people think this is enough to make people switch. Obviously this isn't nearly sufficient or elections would be much easier to decide individually. But yeah, the above is non-negotiable for most Americans and the illusion that this is somehow a big one-sided political controversy here is very interesting to me...
Oliver_W
10-05-2025, 05:13 PM
What a Spiffing Idea
Calm down, Admiral.
Oliver_W
10-05-2025, 05:16 PM
It's a very complex subject - 'Kink culture' has always been part of the LGBT community and has been part of Pride since it's inception, and hiding it away at an event meant to shine a light on the community feels counter productive.
What is actually achieved by parading the kinks in public? It certainly doesn't normalise same-sex relationships.
What is actually achieved by parading the kinks in public? It certainly doesn't normalise same-sex relationships.
Why is someone's sexual kink a deciding factor on whether their relationship is normal or not?
I think there needs to be consideration that LGBT peoples relationship with their own sexual activity is a complex and complicated one, hence the public promotion of it during Pride.
Sex, and as a result kinks, have played a part in Pride events historically because our entire sexual activity was outlawed. Promoting a part of gay sexual culture such as kinks was originally as a protest to the fact that it was illegal for gay people to have sex - of any kind, kink or not.
Kinks are, for many gay people, a part of gay culture and so at an event celebrating gay culture, in it's many, many facets, it stands to reason these are represented.
We are normal, in the sense we are just the same on an individual level as anyone else, but that's not to say that there are aspects of the culture of LGBT people that aren't different to societal norms.
Pride is not about showing the gay community in their most heteronormative state, just so society see us as what they deem to be "normal".
Livia
10-05-2025, 07:07 PM
When do the heterosexuals get to parade their perversions in daylight on public streets? I mean, it's not just gays who like to get freaky...
Does anyone want to see it anyway?
No.
When do the heterosexuals get to parade their perversions in daylight on public streets? I mean, it's not just gays who like to get freaky...
Does anyone want to see it anyway?
No.
Todays Headlines: Woman who doesn't actually care there isn't a straight pride parade pretends it's unfair they don't get one, and gets mad about the content of a gay pride parade she won't be going to watch anyway.
Next Up: Woman who doesn't care she doesn't have a cat is mad others do.
Sometimes when I don't understand something because I lack the experience and knowledge of the subject, I tend not to have such strong opinions on it, but that's just me :)
Oliver_W
10-05-2025, 07:58 PM
Todays Headlines: Woman who doesn't actually care there isn't a straight pride parade pretends it's unfair they don't get one, and gets mad about the content of a gay pride parade she won't be going to watch anyway.
Next Up: Woman who doesn't care she doesn't have a cat is mad others do.
Sometimes when I don't understand something because I lack the experience and knowledge of the subject, I tend not to have such strong opinions on it, but that's just me :)
Straight people have kinks too, but don't feel the need to parade them for all to see - why should LGBT people? Why can't (daytime and public) Pride events be family-friendly?
Straight people have kinks too, but don't feel the need to parade them for all to see - why should LGBT people? Why can't (daytime and public) Pride events be family-friendly?You get extroverts in all walks of life. Not just the homosexuals. I believe the majority of homosexuals are there for nostalgia and a good time. It's the extremists that let them down. But they're the ones who seem to grab the headlines.
Straight people have kinks too, but don't feel the need to parade them for all to see - why should LGBT people? Why can't (daytime and public) Pride events be family-friendly?
I’ve explained why I think kinks are part of pride festivals above.
If parents find it inappropriate for children, they don’t need to take them in the same way they probably wouldn’t walk them through the Red Light District for example (entire streets open 24/7 where heterosexual women are near enough naked on display ready for heterosexual men to pay to sleep with them).
The pride parade is an 2 hour event in a city centre once a year. It’s not difficult to avoid.
Oliver_W
10-05-2025, 08:27 PM
You get extroverts in all walks of life. Not just the homosexuals. I believe the majority of homosexuals are there for nostalgia and a good time. It's the extremists that let them down. But they're the ones who seem to grab the headlines.
Hm, maybe so.
I've never actually been to a Pride parade (don't revoke my Gay Card!) but more because I can't be bothered, more than any moral objection :joker:
:conf:It's a very complex subject - 'Kink culture' has always been part of the LGBT community and has been part of Pride since it's inception, and hiding it away at an event meant to shine a light on the community feels counter productive.
While I think Pride Parades are a great opportunity for families to enjoy and support and for gay kids to feel part of something, that's just my personal opinion, and as a result I would feel it best it be all-age-appropriate.
However, it's important to remember Pride started as a riot and a protest and for most of history has been just that - it's never been a family-friendly event up until more recently, and there is a complexity in 'toning down' the reality of the event to suit a heteronormative society...
Here is a good article on it: https://www.businessinsider.com/kink-at-pride-discourse-explained-kinks-role-in-lgbtq-history-2021-6
I guess a perfect balance would be to have some family friendly acts/activities early on during a pride festival, and then the pride parade be for adults only.
Hi.:wavey:
What age are these gay kids you mentioned?
Hm, maybe so.
I've never actually been to a Pride parade (don't revoke my Gay Card!) but more because I can't be bothered, more than any moral objection :joker:
I have been to them and I've drawn a conclusion it's just part of the culture of them...
In the US we have Mardi Gras, which is a parade that is family safe at first that people bring kids to. They throw beads from the floats and the women are dressed really lewd. When it ends the families run off and that's when the tits come out (literally) within 20-45 minutes, so relatively quick :laugh:. That's the main attraction and you have to flash people to get beads. And there's plenty of things at the shops that are highly visible, for example, you can buy like cocks and boobs hanging from necklaces (if you like penis humor, they are great). It's very similar to some of the art that is shown at Pride here, but people take their kids to this one? Mardis Gras is much worse imo, but maybe Houston Pride is tamer by comparison. Even some parts of anime conventions are worse and they also attract kids to them...
:conf:
Hi.:wavey:
What age are these gay kids you mentioned?
I don’t know any of them personally, I was talking generally. Why is it of interest?
I don’t know any of them personally, I was talking generally. Why is it of interest?
Just wanted to know if they are old enough to know they are gay.
thesheriff443
11-05-2025, 12:43 AM
Probably best not to labour the point Zizu but it's not that you were observing/noticing people that's an issue, it's that you thought about them so intently that you formed an entire (fictional!) narrative about them in your head that was largely rooted in them being a gay couple and then relayed it on here, for unknown reasons.
And it's being viewed into the context of the other scathing, disparaging, critical , often borderline aggressive, comments you've made directed at women (mostly young women) in the past. Your past comments make me skeptical about your intent. That's how social interaction works.
From social interaction i would warn the whole forum of a man that works from home spending days on end on a computer claiming to be the saviour of young women’s innocence while claiming other members are perverse
You can’t give one example of how on real life you have stepped in to keep young women safe but I can give many examples
You happy to call out other members as liars well I’m calling you out
I wouldn’t trust you as far as I could throw you.
Just wanted to know if they are old enough to know they are gay.
Well it’s unique to the individual when they form this knowledge about their sexuality, as with heterosexuality.
Speaking from experience I was about 8 when I knew there was SOMETHING about males that I felt differently about compared to females. I didn’t know about sex and sexuality or what gay was so couldn’t obviously understand.
Then at 11 when I went to Secondary school I learned what gay was from other kids, realised that was me and was terrified because the only context I heard it being spoken about was as an insult.
When I went though puberty at 12-13 it was obviously then my thoughts about guys became sexual.
There was still little to no mainstream representation, still negatively charged language surrounding it and so I spent the next 6-7 years hiding it and therefore when I did come out I had a decade of internalised homophobia to unpack.
Now representation is much improved, language is more more positive and I know if that 13 year old me went to a pride event today and saw the positivity and celebration and fun and joy that it shows then I would have felt safe to come out a lot earlier and wouldn’t have had a lot of self hate to deal with later in life.
It’s why representation matters so much, from a young age, so there is basicalevel of understanding of someone else existing alongside you. Kids seeing a film about two princes falling in love isn’t going to make them gay, in the same way watching almost every Disney movie ever about a Prince and Princess didn’t make me straight. But it WILL help a kid understand and reconcile their feelings when they finally do understand.
Thats why I grapple with whether pride should be family friendly or not - it absolutely has its merits of being so (and a lot of the small city ones actually are) but at the same time many gay people have spent many years filtering their authentic self down to fit with what a heterosexual society has deemed to be acceptable for fear of persecution or judgement for their homosexuality, and so it feels wrong to continue to do that during our own event.
…thank you for sharing some very personal things in regards to your own life, BBXX…your last paragraph is what I’m thinking on atm and I do understand that for a smaller town it’s a community within itself so a Pride event or any celebration event would envelope that whole community….whereas that doesn’t equate so much with larger/city events….should Pride be diluted to be family friendly…?…I don’t know, that would never be for me to say but one of the things maybe to consider is the sponsorship/funding etc it will rely on …is that in itself something that would have any bearing on it leaning more toward family carnival/type thing…
Well it’s unique to the individual when they form this knowledge about their sexuality, as with heterosexuality.
Speaking from experience I was about 8 when I knew there was SOMETHING about males that I felt differently about compared to females. I didn’t know about sex and sexuality or what gay was so couldn’t obviously understand.
Then at 11 when I went to Secondary school I learned what gay was from other kids, realised that was me and was terrified because the only context I heard it being spoken about was as an insult.
When I went though puberty at 12-13 it was obviously then my thoughts about guys became sexual.
There was still little to no mainstream representation, still negatively charged language surrounding it and so I spent the next 6-7 years hiding it and therefore when I did come out I had a decade of internalised homophobia to unpack.
Now representation is much improved, language is more more positive and I know if that 13 year old me went to a pride event today and saw the positivity and celebration and fun and joy that it shows then I would have felt safe to come out a lot earlier and wouldn’t have had a lot of self hate to deal with later in life.
It’s why representation matters so much, from a young age, so there is basicalevel of understanding of someone else existing alongside you. Kids seeing a film about two princes falling in love isn’t going to make them gay, in the same way watching almost every Disney movie ever about a Prince and Princess didn’t make me straight. But it WILL help a kid understand and reconcile their feelings when they finally do understand.
Thats why I grapple with whether pride should be family friendly or not - it absolutely has its merits of being so (and a lot of the small city ones actually are) but at the same time many gay people have spent many years filtering their authentic self down to fit with what a heterosexual society has deemed to be acceptable for fear of persecution or judgement for their homosexuality, and so it feels wrong to continue to do that during our own event.
Thanks. Very interesting read.
But kids at a pride event would mean the parents taking them along, so surely it would.mean the parents think they are gay, and not so much the 8 yr old.:shrug:
user104658
11-05-2025, 07:58 AM
From social interaction i would warn the whole forum of a man that works from home spending days on end on a computer claiming to be the saviour of young women’s innocence while claiming other members are perverse
You can’t give one example of how on real life you have stepped in to keep young women safe but I can give many examples
You happy to call out other members as liars well I’m calling you out
I wouldn’t trust you as far as I could throw you.
I'll take all of that as a compliment given the source sheriff; as a general tip, I'm not looking for the trust or approval of fellows like yourself. Ever.
What's the "work from home on a computer" part about, by the way? What's the implication there? Would you like to elaborate? I'll suggest that you don't.
Thanks. Very interesting read.
But kids at a pride event would mean the parents taking them along, so surely it would.mean the parents think they are gay, and not so much the 8 yr old.:shrug:
Or like the pop singer Pink who is happily married to a guy but has chosen to bring her kids up as gender neutral ..
I actually think that it may probably throw up loads of problems and pressures as they go through their school years - that could be avoided .
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Thanks. Very interesting read.
But kids at a pride event would mean the parents taking them along, so surely it would.mean the parents think they are gay, and not so much the 8 yr old.:shrug:
No not necessarily, lots of straight people attend pride events - many families just go for a day out. Perhaps the child asks to go, perhaps a 13 year old goes with their friends, perhaps with older siblings
However, it is often the case that some parents do have an inkling their child might be gay - these are often based of stereotypes like having an effeminate son or a tomboy lesbian - obviously not to say all effeminate boys are gay but stereotypes do exist for a reason, so often it’s the case they are - and so maybe a parent uses pride as a way to show the child they’re okay with homosexuality without explicitly saying “if you are gay that’s fine”. I know if my parents had a thought I was gay (they didn’t but let’s say they did) and suggested going to pride just for fun, I would definitely remember it as a signal they were fine with LGBT people and it would reinforce them as a “safe space” in my mind.
The first person I told was gay I wasn’t even that close to, I just remembered them telling me years prior a story in which she mentioned her male friend had gotten a boyfriend, and so I marked her down in my head as someone who it would be safe to tell.
I think it’s things like that maybe straight people don’t take into consideration just because they don’t ever have to. Children who come to the conclusion they might be gay often take note of many seemingly fleeting moments to decide who might take it okay and who might not when coming out - comments said in passing about famous gay people, jokes made, etc …. Over time. They probably don’t even ever remember saying it, but I do.
Oliver_W
11-05-2025, 09:20 AM
Or like the pop singer Pink who is happily married to a guy but has chosen to bring her kids up as gender neutral ..
I actually think that it may probably throw up loads of problems and pressures as they go through their school years - that could be avoided .
This is Willow ..https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250511/1c307981805e86544f27c90e21695564.jpg
Mate why do you care if a girl has short hair? Why are you staring at "lesbian couples" in public and writing fanfiction about them?
Niamh.
11-05-2025, 09:24 AM
Pink isn't bringing her daughter up gender neutral
Glenn.
11-05-2025, 09:26 AM
Pride is about LGBTQ finally getting to shout "we're here and proud!" after all the grief and fighting just to be themselves. Straight folks haven't really had that same crap, because their way's always been the default, hasn't it?
So, when "Straight Pride" stuff pops up, it just feels like they're either not getting it, or they're having a laugh at our expense and trying to take the shine off what Pride actually means. Simple as that, really.
thesheriff443
11-05-2025, 09:41 AM
I'll take all of that as a compliment given the source sheriff; as a general tip, I'm not looking for the trust or approval of fellows like yourself. Ever.
What's the "work from home on a computer" part about, by the way? What's the implication there? Would you like to elaborate? I'll suggest that you don't.
You take it anyway you want
user104658
11-05-2025, 09:50 AM
You take it anyway you want
So you're stepping down from "calling me out" then. Good decision champ.
thesheriff443
11-05-2025, 09:51 AM
For me personally and that’s really all you cal do in life is speak for yourself
I treat everyone as I want to be treated unfortunately Unfortunately not everyone shares that outlook
There are good people in every community the same way there are bad people it’s important not to judge everyone as a whole but as individuals
No not necessarily, lots of straight people attend pride events - many families just go for a day out. Perhaps the child asks to go, perhaps a 13 year old goes with their friends, perhaps with older siblings
However, it is often the case that some parents do have an inkling their child might be gay - these are often based of stereotypes like having an effeminate son or a tomboy lesbian - obviously not to say all effeminate boys are gay but stereotypes do exist for a reason, so often it’s the case they are - and so maybe a parent uses pride as a way to show the child they’re okay with homosexuality without explicitly saying “if you are gay that’s fine”. I know if my parents had a thought I was gay (they didn’t but let’s say they did) and suggested going to pride just for fun, I would definitely remember it as a signal they were fine with LGBT people and it would reinforce them as a “safe space” in my mind.
The first person I told was gay I wasn’t even that close to, I just remembered them telling me years prior a story in which she mentioned her male friend had gotten a boyfriend, and so I marked her down in my head as someone who it would be safe to tell.
I think it’s things like that maybe straight people don’t take into consideration just because they don’t ever have to. Children who come to the conclusion they might be gay often take note of many seemingly fleeting moments to decide who might take it okay and who might not when coming out - comments said in passing about famous gay people, jokes made, etc …. Over time. They probably don’t even ever remember saying it, but I do.
"obviously not to say all effeminate boys are gay but stereotypes do exist for a reason, so often it’s the case they are".
Try saying that about terrorism and Muslims..see where that gets you.:joker:
thesheriff443
11-05-2025, 09:54 AM
So you're stepping down from "calling me out" then. Good decision champ.
I’ve called you out
I don’t trust you and don’t believe anything you say.
"obviously not to say all effeminate boys are gay but stereotypes do exist for a reason, so often it’s the case they are".
Try saying that about terrorism and Muslims..see where that gets you.:joker:
Most effeminate guys being gay and most gay guys being effeminate are two different statements.
The majority of terrorism acts being carried out by Muslims is a statistical fact. The issue is when people conflate Muslim people with being terrorists.
Mate why do you care if a girl has short hair??
Short hair ??
She’s all over YouTube singing on stage and doing interviews with her mum ..
She’s not got any girlie traits and wears boys clothes and boots .. why do you think that is , maybe?
Pink isn't bringing her daughter up gender neutral
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Glenn.
11-05-2025, 11:07 AM
Short hair ??
She’s all over YouTube singing on stage and doing interviews with her mum ..
She’s not got any girlie traits and wears boys clothes and boots .. why do you think that is , maybe?
You have extremely outdated views
Short hair ??
She’s all over YouTube singing on stage and doing interviews with her mum ..
She’s not got any girlie traits and wears boys clothes and boots .. why do you think that is , maybe?
Probably because she’s not been bound to gender stereotypes since childhood. It’s not a bad thing, particularly for girls who are taught from childhood their role is to look pretty and nurture others. Pink raising her kids without gender stereotypes and labels is giving ultimate freedom of expression for them to be their most authentic selves. It’s healthy.
Probably because she’s not been bound to gender stereotypes since childhood. It’s not a bad thing, particularly for girls who are taught from childhood their role is to look pretty and nurture others. Pink raising his kids without gender stereotypes and labels is giving ultimate freedom of expression for them to be their most authentic selves. It’s healthy.
Well bullying isn’t healthy !
Maybe she’s lucky in that she’s protected from general society and maybe she has tuition at home… but she would possibly get a tough ride in normal education
Niamh.
11-05-2025, 11:09 AM
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As in she doesn't conform to restrictive stereotypes not that she raising her not as a girl or a boy
Niamh.
11-05-2025, 11:11 AM
Short hair ??
She’s all over YouTube singing on stage and doing interviews with her mum ..
She’s not got any girlie traits and wears boys clothes and boots .. why do you think that is , maybe?
The clothes she's wearing in that picture aren't boys clothes btw
The clothes she's wearing in that picture aren't boys clothes btw
Well they aren’t very feminine garments …
Looks like something the Bay City Rollers would wear
Vicky.
11-05-2025, 11:16 AM
All kids should be able to wear what they want to, have hair how they want..and so on. My daughter very rarely wants to wear 'girly' things...means nothing besides she has her own mind. I wouldn't say letting them chose is 'bringing them up gender neutral'
Niamh.
11-05-2025, 11:18 AM
Well they aren’t very feminine garments …
Looks like something the Bay City Rollers would wearSo what? Lots of girls don't like "femine" clothes. I hated dresses etc when I was a kid
Niamh.
11-05-2025, 11:18 AM
All kids should be able to wear what they want to, have hair how they want..and so on. My daughter very rarely wants to wear 'girly' things...means nothing besides she has her own mind. I wouldn't say letting them chose is 'bringing them up gender neutral'Hear hear!
Niamh.
11-05-2025, 11:25 AM
Probably because she’s not been bound to gender stereotypes since childhood. It’s not a bad thing, particularly for girls who are taught from childhood their role is to look pretty and nurture others. Pink raising her kids without gender stereotypes and labels is giving ultimate freedom of expression for them to be their most authentic selves. It’s healthy.
Exactly and this isn't a new phenomenon either, this was what we were aiming for since the 90s, letting children be themselves regardless of their sex
Vicky.
11-05-2025, 11:34 AM
The issue these days imo is people thinking because a boy wants to wear a dress this means he's actually a girl, not just that he's rejecting stereotypes and wearing what he likes. We seem to be going backwards in that sense.
Niamh.
11-05-2025, 11:40 AM
The issue these days imo is people thinking because a boy wants to wear a dress this means he's actually a girl, not just that he's rejecting stereotypes and wearing what he likes. We seem to be going backwards in that sense.Yes totally agree
Well bullying isn’t healthy !
Maybe she’s lucky in that she’s protected from general society and maybe she has tuition at home… but she would possibly get a tough ride in normal education
Sounds like you’re advocating for people to conform to outdated gender stereotypes so they don’t get bullied… yikes!
Livia
11-05-2025, 11:51 AM
My son likes football and bugs and dirt. My daughter likes pink and sparkles and ballet dresses and fairies. Should I be worried about them conforming to gender stereotypes? Is this abnormal now we should all be encouraging children to choose their own style? It feels like I should be offering them a more gender-neutral childhood, despite their personalities being clear to me.
My son likes football and bugs and dirt. My daughter likes pink and sparkles and ballet dresses and fairies. Should I be worried about them conforming to gender stereotypes? Is this abnormal now we should all be encouraging children to choose their own style? It feels like I should be offering them a more gender-neutral childhood, despite their personalities being clear to me.
No if that’s what they like that’s great. The issue comes when parents force gender stereotypes on their child because they think that’s what they SHOULD like without considering what they actually like and want. :)
But I would say yes to letting children decide their own style. If a boy wants to play with dolls he shouldn’t be told they’re for girls etc etc…
Niamh.
11-05-2025, 11:55 AM
My son likes football and bugs and dirt. My daughter likes pink and sparkles and ballet dresses and fairies. Should I be worried about them conforming to gender stereotypes? Is this abnormal now we should all be encouraging children to choose their own style? It feels like I should be offering them a more gender-neutral childhood, despite their personalities being clear to me.
Of course not, encouraging your child to wear what they like etc would cover both children who like the traditional gendered traits and those who don't.
Vicky.
11-05-2025, 11:56 AM
My son likes football and bugs and dirt. My daughter likes pink and sparkles and ballet dresses and fairies. Should I be worried about them conforming to gender stereotypes? Is this abnormal now we should all be encouraging children to choose their own style? It feels like I should be offering them a more gender-neutral childhood, despite their personalities being clear to me.
Kids like what kids like. It's only an issue if you force stereotypes onto them, or decide them being gender non conforming means they are the opposite sex. Imo.
All kids should be able to wear what they want to, have hair how they want..and so on. My daughter very rarely wants to wear 'girly' things...means nothing besides she has her own mind. I wouldn't say letting them chose is 'bringing them up gender neutral'
Is she letting them chose though by bringing them up the way she wants to bring them up:shrug:
Niamh.
11-05-2025, 11:59 AM
Is she letting them chose though by bringing them up the way she wants to bring them up:shrug:
What do you mean? Is she letting them choose by telling them they can choose?
Vicky.
11-05-2025, 12:00 PM
But I would say yes to letting children decide their own style. If a boy wants to play with dolls he shouldn’t be told they’re for girls etc etc…
Yea I had huge issues with my husband when my son was 3 or 4..he wanted his nails painted like his sister and my husband was all 'are you a girl?!' to him :rolleyes:
I just painted them and dealt with the mood!
That remains the only gender non conforming thing my son ever did, besides wanting long hair (which is a weird one as go back 20 years or so and it was common for blokes)
It is what it is .,
We have 3 gorgeous granddaughters
Oldest and youngest are pink loving girlies whilst the middle one is a tomboy wearing sports wear and loves blue ..
They were all raised the normal, traditional way …
Kids like what kids like. It's only an issue if you force stereotypes onto them, or decide them being gender non conforming means they are the opposite sex. Imo.
Totally agree!
Niamh.
11-05-2025, 12:04 PM
Yea I had huge issues with my husband when my son was 3 or 4..he wanted his nails painted like his sister and my husband was all 'are you a girl?!' to him :rolleyes:
I just painted them and dealt with the mood!
That remains the only gender non conforming thing my son ever did, besides wanting long hair (which is a weird one as go back 20 years or so and it was common for blokes)
When I was teenager long hair was my number 1 most attractive quality in a guy :laugh: I was a big fan of the grunge scene though
My son likes football and bugs and dirt. My daughter likes pink and sparkles and ballet dresses and fairies. Should I be worried about them conforming to gender stereotypes? Is this abnormal now we should all be encouraging children to choose their own style? It feels like I should be offering them a more gender-neutral childhood, despite their personalities being clear to me.
Interesting…
Yea I had huge issues with my husband when my son was 3 or 4..he wanted his nails painted like his sister and my husband was all 'are you a girl?!' to him :rolleyes:
I just painted them and dealt with the mood!
That remains the only gender non conforming thing my son ever did, besides wanting long hair (which is a weird one as go back 20 years or so and it was common for blokes)
Totally - men's fashion in past eras would be considered super camp and feminine nowadays but looks awesome.
What do you mean? Is she letting them choose by telling them they can choose?
Oh yeah...:blush:
Doh!
Sounds like you’re advocating for people to conform to outdated gender stereotypes so they don’t get bullied… yikes!
Blame society not me
user104658
11-05-2025, 12:28 PM
I’ve called you out
I don’t trust you and don’t believe anything you say.
Good.
I can take the criticism that I'm guilty of pontificating, I'm quite aware of my flaws... But you're a strange, aggressive littleman sheriff. I don't want your approval, nor am I looking for your trust. :)
thesheriff443
11-05-2025, 12:33 PM
Good.
I can take the criticism that I'm guilty of pontificating, I'm quite aware of my flaws... But you're a strange, aggressive littleman sheriff. I don't want your approval, nor am I looking for your trust. :)
I’m must correct you
I’m not strange I’m definitely not little and I’m not aggressive
I’ve said what I wanted to say and that’s enough for me.
user104658
11-05-2025, 12:42 PM
I’m must correct you
I’m not strange I’m definitely not little and I’m not aggressive
I’ve said what I wanted to say and that’s enough for me.
You're a changed man then? Because you used to suggest street fights to solve your Tibb disagreements. Have you forgotten? Or maybe you are changed. But as I don't trust you either, I'll assume that you're still bubbling away under there, holding your tongue.
Congratulations if you did get the aggression under control though. Most don't.
thesheriff443
11-05-2025, 12:54 PM
You're a changed man then? Because you used to suggest street fights to solve your Tibb disagreements. Have you forgotten? Or maybe you are changed. But as I don't trust you either, I'll assume that you're still bubbling away under there, holding your tongue.
Congratulations if you did get the aggression under control though. Most don't.
I’ve let myself down in the past by letting people press my buttons on this site and provoke me and get my posts taken down
You enjoy your day because you won’t get an aggressive response from me
Blame society not me
You are part of society, and by forcing people to conform to gender stereotypes to avoid bullying, you give space for people to bully.
The more people who live freely and by choice do not confirm to old fashioned societal expectations, the less that expectations have, meaning the less they are seen as something worth bullying someone for, meaning the less power bullies have, the less space they have, the less of them there are. As a parent Grandad you should be old and wise enough to understand that.
TLDR - I do blame society, a part of society that you are helping promote with our of date views and so by extension, you are partly to blame.
Well they aren’t very feminine garments …
Looks like something the Bay City Rollers would wear
Self-expression beyond stereotypes has very much been normalized in youth culture. It would more likely be the least reason to be bullied lol.
user104658
11-05-2025, 01:54 PM
I’ve let myself down in the past by letting people press my buttons on this site and provoke me and get my posts taken down
You enjoy your day because you won’t get an aggressive response from me
Buttons being pressed shouldn't provoke aggression. Like I said congratulations if you've taken steps to get a temper under control - I'm not having a jibe in this case, I'm dead serious when I say that not many get there unfortunately. The goal ultimately should be to have very few pressable buttons. I'm sure you have zero interest in my thoughts on the topic but as it's a public forum you never know who else might be reading now or at any time.
And that, sheriff, is how (in my opinion) we actively make the world better for everyone. By advising people to use their brains instead of their fists. Or their dicks. Both online an offline. Stepping in physically to "help people in the real world" is admirable if you do it when it's necessary but the better world is one where it never would be necesaary.
Just some thoughts :shrug:. Enjoy your Sunday.
Self-expression beyond stereotypes has very much been normalized in youth culture. It would more likely be the least reason to be bullied lol.
Yes very true. I've always expressed myself as a youth. Every penny I earned and stole from my milk round wemt on clothes. The clothes I wanted, not the ones given at Xmas or birthdays. I think today, that there is a problem with teens just sitting back and doing nothing to earn the things they want because they know they will usually get what they ask for from their parents,
I dont think it's wrong to say kids get it easy these days, (they should) but not by pampering to their every whim, which is what's going on in society nowadays.
Some of them by the time they are 18 and 19 are far far to self entitled.
user104658
11-05-2025, 02:01 PM
Self-expression beyond stereotypes has very much been normalized in youth culture. It would more likely be the least reason to be bullied lol.
Weirdly the best and worst of both worlds seem to exist in high schools these days: people are still marginalised for stepping too far outside of gender norms, but they're ALSO marginalised for being hypermasculinised Andrew Tate wannabes or too hyperfeminine. A wider and thinner path all at once.
Certqinky seems to be better at the broader end though; normalised for girls to be into sports, gamers, etc or for boys to be interested in fashion and their appearance, which "in my day" (still only 20 years ago) would have been seen as things outside of gender norms.
That said even in my day it wasn't particularly unusual for boys to have long hair or girls short hair. That's a stereotype that was left in the... 60's?earlier? SURELY? Though it maybe came back a bit in the 90's.
Self-expression beyond stereotypes has very much been normalized in youth culture. It would more likely be the least reason to be bullied lol.
How much time have you spent in second education over the past 5 to 10 years ?
thesheriff443
11-05-2025, 02:24 PM
Buttons being pressed shouldn't provoke aggression. Like I said congratulations if you've taken steps to get a temper under control - I'm not having a jibe in this case, I'm dead serious when I say that not many get there unfortunately. The goal ultimately should be to have very few pressable buttons. I'm sure you have zero interest in my thoughts on the topic but as it's a public forum you never know who else might be reading now or at any time.
And that, sheriff, is how (in my opinion) we actively make the world better for everyone. By advising people to use their brains instead of their fists. Or their dicks. Both online an offline. Stepping in physically to "help people in the real world" is admirable if you do it when it's necessary but the better world is one where it never would be necesaary.
Just some thoughts :shrug:. Enjoy your Sunday.
You called me a strange aggressive little man hoping for a reaction which you didn’t get
You wouldn’t do it in real life so what makes you think it’s acceptable on a forum
I dare you to go up to a working class bloke and say that their face without getting slapped
The problem is with the word too many people think they can say what they like without there be consequences
Glenn.
11-05-2025, 02:27 PM
You called me a strange aggressive little man hoping for a reaction which you didn’t get
You wouldn’t do it in real life so what makes you think it’s acceptable on a forum
I dare you to go up to a working class bloke and say that their face without getting slapped
The problem is with the word too many people think they can say what they like without there be consequences
You’ve literally told me you were gonna knock me out on here before.
It's like being at one of these events on here today.
Glenn.
11-05-2025, 03:16 PM
It's like being at one of these events on here today.
How?
Cherie
11-05-2025, 03:20 PM
I'll take all of that as a compliment given the source sheriff; as a general tip, I'm not looking for the trust or approval of fellows like yourself. Ever.
What's the "work from home on a computer" part about, by the way? What's the implication there? Would you like to elaborate? I'll suggest that you don't.
Er that you work from home and use a PC ...just guessing though :laugh:
It's like being at one of these events on here today.
Who are we celebrating and when are the mods bringing the leashes and/or Bibles (...why not both?)
Glenn.
11-05-2025, 04:23 PM
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250511/eeb573e72d271aa4961d07656eb568b5.jpg
user104658
11-05-2025, 04:24 PM
You called me a strange aggressive little man hoping for a reaction which you didn’t get
You wouldn’t do it in real life so what makes you think it’s acceptable on a forum
I dare you to go up to a working class bloke and say that their face without getting slapped
The problem is with the word too many people think they can say what they like without there be consequences
I used to say that and worse to working class blokes as my main income, whilst telling them that I was keeping their money :joker:. Know what 10 years of it taught me?
99% of "hard men" are yap yap yap and nothing more.
Much happier at home on my computer to be fair, though some of it was fun.
user104658
11-05-2025, 04:26 PM
Er that you work from home and use a PC ...just guessing though :laugh:
How would that have been relevant to anything else he said? But feel free to join in the playing dumb Cherie it's standard patter on here.
Cherie
11-05-2025, 04:28 PM
How would that have been relevant to anything else he said? But feel free to join in the playing dumb Cherie it's standard patter on here.
Not playing dumb just skimmed the thread and not paid too much attention :shrug: feel free to call me dumb though, my page actually opened on that post, and then I realised there were more posts after it which I didn't bother to read ...
Not playing dumb just skimmed the thread and not paid too much attention :shrug: feel free to call me dumb though, my page actually opened on that post, and then I realised there were more posts after it which I didn't bother to read ...
I just got on and just overnight there's already a few more pages added so understand exactly what you mean :laugh:
Glenn.
11-05-2025, 04:37 PM
Over 200 posts on something we all know isn’t needed
Over 200 posts on something we all know isn’t needed
PRIDE ?
Glenn.
11-05-2025, 04:42 PM
PRIDE ?
No mate.
The hetero awesome gammonfest, or whatever it’s called
Who are we celebrating and when are the mods bringing the leashes and/or Bibles (...why not both?)
They are locked away for safe keeping until the 1st TIBB Xmas party.
https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250511/eeb573e72d271aa4961d07656eb568b5.jpg
That's a funny meme, some gamers however may never buy the game again if that's true. Imagine the chat in the role play version.:joker:
Glenn.
11-05-2025, 04:48 PM
That's a funny meme, some gamers however may never buy the game again if that's true. Imagine the chat in the role play version.:joker:
What’s funny about it exactly
No mate.
The hetero awesome gammonfest, or whatever it’s called
We prefer HAG, tyvm.
What’s funny about it exactly
The satire.
Glenn.
11-05-2025, 04:59 PM
The satire.
Oh, so it's ‘satire' now? That's... quite the assertion. Generally, for satire to be effective, its purpose or irony is usually self-evident, wouldn't you agree?
It doesn't typically require a separate declaration for its intent to be grasped.
Good try though.
How much time have you spent in second education over the past 5 to 10 years ?
You used Pink as an example and Pink was the cool thing when we were in Secondary. Where I live is a US progressive city, so maybe not what you had in mind for a good comparison, but from what I see on average, youth have shifted way far away from trad culture. Kids now will damn near chew your head off for talking **** about their hobbies and personal preferences now which dress is a part of (even adults). Or in the very least, torture you with a boring internet-style explanation you wish you could X out of. We were getting to that point before social media when I was in.
There are more serious things to be concerned with in secondary and unless that person is dressing extremely provocatively and acting like a complete fool, dress is not going to be the reason. There's so much they can take for granted now that we simply couldn't and I let my daughter wear whatever the hell she wants because the other kids do too :shrug:
The broader judgement is coming now more from the adult to child rather than child to child. I think the youth are exhausted with keeping up with the constant changes in societal standards they are meant to see through. You can see it on their faces when certain topics start to come up.
It might be in another 5-10 years, that Pride or Hetero parades become a dated thing in their own right because personal expression can be taken for granted to such an extent that other cultural phenomenons take hold and "the kids" find other ways to see addressing their own problems without relying on often useless adults to tell them what to do.
Oh, so it's ‘satire' now? That's... quite the assertion. Generally, for satire to be effective, its purpose or irony is usually self-evident, wouldn't you agree?
It doesn't typically require a separate declaration for its intent to be grasped.
Good try though.
I think you're thinking of sarcasm.
Satire.
the use of humour, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues
Glenn.
11-05-2025, 05:41 PM
I think you're thinking of sarcasm.
Satire.
the use of humour, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues
Yeah, but just knowing the definition isn't really the issue here, is it?
It's whether that picture actually did any of that – you know, properly used humour or irony to make a smart point.
Lots of stuff gets called 'satire' but just ends up missing the mark or comes off as a straight-up dig instead of being clever. It's more about if it works than just what the dictionary says.
Glenn.
11-05-2025, 05:43 PM
Explain the satire
Yeah, but just knowing the definition isn't really the issue here, is it?
It's whether that picture actually did any of that – you know, properly used humour or irony to make a smart point.
Lots of stuff gets called 'satire' but just ends up missing the mark or comes off as a straight-up dig instead of being clever. It's more about if it works than just what the dictionary says.
I think the joke is they (the developers) chose to put the parade in the game probably amusingly under the guise to "increase representation", but full well knowing what might actually happen with that from the player's end... so that's irony in itself.
Everything is fair game in GTA, similar to South Park, so it's the worst place to find representation, imo. :laugh: People play it for the shock factor. It would be a bit silly for people to be bothered by it now when the player is encouraged to blow up prostitutes and run over innocent people "for the fun in it".
Grand Theft Auto 6 has a chance to fix the franchise’s terrible record on LGBTQ+ representation
https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/05/07/gta-6-trailer-gay-lgbtq-representation/
GTA V’s exploration of Trevor’s sexuality was problematic
In GTA V, one of the three playable characters, Trevor, was depicted as bisexual, with explicit references made to sexual encounters with men. But as the most violently psychopathic and unstable of the game’s protagonists, these references often appeared to be used more for shock factor than as a fully realised part of his identity.
:spin:
Glenn.
11-05-2025, 06:17 PM
It’s not a meme. It’s a screenshot from a video of a MAGA moron looking forward to shooting up/running over gay people at a make believe pride parade in a video game.
The only thing funnier is that he believes he’s really funny and he’s not. It’s a dangerous mindset
It’s not a meme. It’s a screenshot from a video of a MAGA moron looking forward to shooting up/running over gay people at a make believe pride parade in a video game.
The only thing funnier is that he believes he’s really funny and he’s not. It’s a dangerous mindset
Tiktok is the place to be your most authentic insane self so you can get insane responses in return, so I guess part of the shtick is that yes, that's going to get and generate some interactions. And some people find that stuff hilarious? :shrug: It's not for me.
So, it's just a social media rumor anyway and probably unsubstantiated. Even if it exists, it could just be part of a key cut scene and players never interact with it.
If anyone cares:
Will GTA 6 have Pride parades? Rumor explored
https://www.sportskeeda.com/gta/will-gta-6-pride-parades-rumor-explored
Mystic Mock
11-05-2025, 07:42 PM
Yes it can actually be embarrassing after the 4th or 5th time as you run out of funny things to say
[emoji3]
I probably make my encounters worse when something like this happens because I'm a very awkward person in front of strangers, and I don't really speak much.:laugh:
Mystic Mock
11-05-2025, 08:20 PM
Pink isn't bringing her daughter up gender neutral
That's a relief.
Because I don't believe that parents should be forcing labels onto their kids.
Mystic Mock
11-05-2025, 08:24 PM
"obviously not to say all effeminate boys are gay but stereotypes do exist for a reason, so often it’s the case they are".
Try saying that about terrorism and Muslims..see where that gets you.:joker:
It's true with Muslims too.
Or any stereotype, they're stereotypes for a reason.
Mystic Mock
11-05-2025, 08:32 PM
Exactly and this isn't a new phenomenon either, this was what we were aiming for since the 90s, letting children be themselves regardless of their sex
Well didn't the 80's for example bring Tomboys to the mainstream?
Surely Zizu has seen those types of women at some point in his life.:laugh:
Liam-
11-05-2025, 08:38 PM
That's a relief.
Because I don't believe that parents should be forcing labels onto their kids.
Gender neutral isn’t a label, it’s a way of not forcing a label or identity onto a child and letting them decide for themselves
Mystic Mock
11-05-2025, 08:55 PM
I think the joke is they (the developers) chose to put the parade in the game probably amusingly under the guise to "increase representation", but full well knowing what might actually happen with that from the player's end... so that's irony in itself.
Everything is fair game in GTA, similar to South Park, so it's the worst place to find representation, imo. :laugh: People play it for the shock factor. It would be a bit silly for people to be bothered by it now when the player is encouraged to blow up prostitutes and run over innocent people "for the fun in it".
Grand Theft Auto 6 has a chance to fix the franchise’s terrible record on LGBTQ+ representation
https://www.thepinknews.com/2025/05/07/gta-6-trailer-gay-lgbtq-representation/
:spin:
I hate to break it to whoever wrote that article, but Trevor's main purpose in the Game was about him being a psychopath rather than his sexuality.
Which imo is a good thing, because we have too much fiction nowadays that are more bothered about identity Politics rather than if the character has a good personality, or is well developed.
Mystic Mock
11-05-2025, 09:03 PM
Gender neutral isn’t a label, it’s a way of not forcing a label or identity onto a child and letting them decide for themselves
I'm talking about if Pink had've forced her child to be not identifying as a girl, which I thought that Zizu was implying that at first.
Because to me that kind of stuff needs to be decided by the child, which thankfully it seems like Pink is doing.
I personally don't even understand why Zizu is having an issue with gender neutral parenting? Now that I'm understanding it better.
Cherie
11-05-2025, 09:24 PM
I'm talking about if Pink had've forced her child to be not identifying as a girl, which I thought that Zizu was implying that at first.
Because to me that kind of stuff needs to be decided by the child, which thankfully it seems like Pink is doing.
I personally don't even understand why Zizu is having an issue with gender neutral parenting? Now that I'm understanding it better.
its just ridiculous, because you cant decide to be male or female you are what you are born, if you want to decide down the line that is not for you fair enough, but parents telling their children they are neither male or female is a bit mad ...?
I'm talking about if Pink had've forced her child to be not identifying as a girl, which I thought that Zizu was implying that at first.
Because to me that kind of stuff needs to be decided by the child, which thankfully it seems like Pink is doing.
I personally don't even understand why Zizu is having an issue with gender neutral parenting? Now that I'm understanding it better.
Who knows what that kind of parenting leads to ??
Seems odd that her daughter just happens to present as a non girly -girl ..
Mystic Mock
11-05-2025, 09:42 PM
its just ridiculous, because you cant decide to be male or female you are what you are born, if you want to decide down the line that is not for you fair enough, but parents telling their children they are neither male or female is a bit mad ...?
I agree with you if that's what Pink was doing.
But basically Pink is acknowledging that she has a Daughter, but is letting her Daughter wear whatever she feels comfortable wearing, rather than forcing her Daughter to conform against her wishes.
Personally I don't see an issue with Pink's view, in an ideal world anyway.
Mystic Mock
11-05-2025, 09:43 PM
Who knows what that kind of parenting leads to ??
Seems odd that her daughter just happens to present as a non girly -girl ..
She looks like a Tomboy to me.
user104658
11-05-2025, 09:45 PM
its just ridiculous, because you cant decide to be male or female you are what you are born, if you want to decide down the line that is not for you fair enough, but parents telling their children they are neither male or female is a bit mad ...?
I agree with that. Although, I also think too many parents go to far the other way in terms of expecting gender conformity and that's actually part of the - for want of a better word - confusion.
If people keep insisting "Boys are x/y/z and girls are a/b/c" then inevitably when you have a boy that likes and does "girl stuff" or a girl that likes and does "boy stuff" (be that activities, fashion or anything else) then it inevitably causes a mess when, of course, some boys and girls don't like "the right things" -- and then, perhaps, start to believe that if they "like that stuff" and "like that look" then they MUST "be that gender"... because that's what the world has told them repeatedly. When it is in fact just all random established social norms that mean nothing about sex or gender, other than when people insist on conformity.
user104658
11-05-2025, 09:51 PM
Who knows what that kind of parenting leads to ??
Seems odd that her daughter just happens to present as a non girly -girl ..
Prime example really. The idea that Pink's daughter "isn't very girly" therefore she must be "trans or gender neutral" ... rather than just being a girl with short hair.
Niamh.
11-05-2025, 09:56 PM
Who knows what that kind of parenting leads to ??
Seems odd that her daughter just happens to present as a non girly -girl ..So what if she's not a "girly-girl" though? What's the actual problem with that for you? So weird
She looks like a Tomboy to me.
Exactly
So what if she's not a "girly-girl" though? What's the actual problem with that for you? So weird
The majority of girls are feminine and have built in ‘instincts’
Pink has raised her daughter in a ‘different’ way and the result is a tomboy - that’s going against the law of averages .
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