Ed Miliband. A daft idea. Road lights.

[Kate!]

To switch all lights off on motorways due to net zero.

Absolute moron.

[Zizu]

There’s stretch of road between Manchester and York that has no lights for miles- it’s absolutely insanely scary

[user104658]

tbf if you can't drive on the motorway without overhead lights you ... can't drive? Bunch of snowflakes down south I swear - huge chunks of the drive down from Scotland to the Sarf on motorway are unlit. It's fine :shrug: if anything it's easier to see brake lights in the dark :hee:.

[user104658]

Unlit motorway on a dark night, bit of synthwave blasting, is actually a vibe.

[Beso]

It stops headlight glare, which in turn reduces driver fatigue...take that away and it increases the chance of an accident.


Morons. Ghoulish, pandering piss headed morons. Brain dead, the lot of them.

[Glenn.]

You know there are things called headlights on cars?

[bots]

there is more road unlit than lit across the UK. Motorways are not the most dangerous roads

[Kate!]

Dear me. It's not rocket science. It's not safe.

[Glenn.]

there is more road unlit than lit across the UK. Motorways are not the most dangerous roads

And cars have….headlights…

[user104658]

Dear me. It's not rocket science. It's not safe.

I find this genuinely confusing. Drive from London to Inverness at night - you'll see that 90%+ is already unlit, including the vast majority of the M6. There literally is no overhead lighting; it's not turned off - it isn't there and never has been.

[Kate!]

It stops headlight glare, which in turn reduces driver fatigue...take that away and it increases the chance of an accident.


Morons. Ghoulish, pandering piss headed morons. Brain dead, the lot of them.

Wonderful post.

[Vanessa]

Ive seen that in some Italian motorways. I don't know how people drive through that at night D:

[Glenn.]

“Safety is our top priority. On our roads, we light what needs to be lit, and we know where those locations are. We have a better understanding of where nighttime collisions occur and the impact road lighting would have. This means we can target lighting where it is needed, rather than putting lights everywhere."

[user104658]

OK to be fair I decided to do some due diligence and checked the stats; it does seem that removing lighting from lit sections of motorway does increase the number of accidents statistically, and increases the severity of accidents when they do occur.

[Glenn.]

Lights I’d say are needed on places like slip roads where traffic is intersecting are needed. On a 40-50 mile stretch of road not so much.

[Kate!]

OK to be fair I decided to do some due diligence and checked the stats; it does seem that removing lighting from lit sections of motorway does increase the number of accidents statistically, and increases the severity of accidents when they do occur.

Yes thank you. I was just about to post about the proven stats.

Case proven.

[Beso]

I wonder how many tragic and unnecessary deaths it will take until Labour wakes up to this pointless exercise being completely unnecessary..

20?, 40? A bus load of school kids:shrug:

[user104658]

A small deep dive reveals that they would save a LOT more energy (and thus cut carbon far more) by concentrating on converting current lighting to newer/most energy efficient versions than they'll save by turning some off. But of course, the time/money to do that is a lot more. It does feel slightly like a "quick, cheap and overly simple" solution.

[Beso]

At least it will hide the pot holes.

[user104658]

At least it will hide the pot holes.

:skull:

To be fair there aren't many potholes on actual motorways. Chunks of rubber from other people's blowouts on the other hand...

[Zizu]

OK to be fair I decided to do some due diligence and checked the stats; it does seem that removing lighting from lit sections of motorway does increase the number of accidents statistically, and increases the severity of accidents when they do occur.


Hallelujah

[Glenn.]

Meanwhile Reform want to scrap any Net Zero commitments.

The party's position on energy and net zero contrasts starkly with that of the Labour government, which wants to remove nearly all fossil fuels from UK electricity production by 2030.
Labour is expanding renewable energy and said in its election manifesto it would invest £8.3bn in Great British Energy, a state-owned clean energy company, over five years.
Governments worldwide are investing in renewables to meet international climate targets and lower carbon emissions to "net zero" by 2050.
Electricity is increasingly generated from renewable energy in the UK, and the cost of renewable generation has significantly fallen in the past decade.
Labour promised to bring down household energy bills by "up to £300 by 2030" - and Energy Secretary Ed Miliband has stood by the pledge.
But UK energy bills went up in January, and are expected to rise again in April.
The main reason for high energy prices in the UK has been an increase in the price of gas, which has been the largest source of fuel for years.
With energy costs on the up, and President Donald Trump promising to drill for more fossil fuels in the US, Reform UK has turned its focus on the cost of renewables.

[Cherie]

Meanwhile Reform want to scrap any Net Zero commitments.

The party's position on energy and net zero contrasts starkly with that of the Labour government, which wants to remove nearly all fossil fuels from UK electricity production by 2030.
Labour is expanding renewable energy and said in its election manifesto it would invest £8.3bn in Great British Energy, a state-owned clean energy company, over five years.
Governments worldwide are investing in renewables to meet international climate targets and lower carbon emissions to "net zero" by 2050.
Electricity is increasingly generated from renewable energy in the UK, and the cost of renewable generation has significantly fallen in the past decade.
Labour promised to bring down household energy bills by "up to £300 by 2030" - and Energy Secretary Ed Miliband has stood by the pledge.
But UK energy bills went up in January, and are expected to rise again in April.
The main reason for high energy prices in the UK has been an increase in the price of gas, which has been the largest source of fuel for years.
With energy costs on the up, and President Donald Trump promising to drill for more fossil fuels in the US, Reform UK has turned its focus on the cost of renewables.

Its pretty pointless expanding renewable energy when the price is linked to the gas price how mad is that, Octopus Energy, electricity 100 per cent green but prices through the roof because it is linked to the gas price, before they do anything else they need to extricate themselves from that deal


Why UK Electricity Prices Are Tied to Gas—and How Renewables Could Lower Your Bills

Despite the UK’s significant investment in renewable energy, electricity bills remain high. This paradox is largely due to the way electricity prices are determined in the UK market.

⚙️ The Role of Gas in Electricity Pricing

The UK employs a “marginal pricing” system for electricity. In this model, the price of electricity is set by the most expensive source needed to meet demand at any given time. Often, this is gas-fired power plants. Even if cheaper renewable sources like wind and solar are supplying a significant portion of electricity, the overall market price is influenced by the cost of gas. This system means that fluctuations in global gas prices directly impact UK electricity bills (The Guardian, Financial Times).

��️ The Rise of Renewables

Renewable energy sources have been on the rise in the UK. Wind power, in particular, has become a major contributor to the energy mix. The cost of generating electricity from renewables has decreased significantly over the years. For instance, offshore wind prices have dropped from £114/MWh in 2016 to as low as £39.65/MWh in recent contracts.

�� Market Reforms for a Renewable Future

To fully benefit from the lower costs of renewable energy, experts suggest reforming the electricity market. One proposal is to shift from a national pricing system to a zonal one, where electricity prices reflect local supply and demand. This could lead to lower prices in regions abundant in renewable resources, like Scotland .

Additionally, integrating energy storage solutions and enhancing grid infrastructure would allow for better utilisation of renewable energy, reducing reliance on gas-fired power plants.

�� The Path Forward

Transitioning to a renewable-focused energy system requires policy changes and infrastructure investments. By decoupling electricity prices from gas and embracing renewables, the UK can achieve more stable and potentially lower electricity bills, while also meeting its climate goals.

I love the word 'potentially' wouldn't want shareholders missing out now would we

[Beso]

Energy Secretary Ed Miliband.

No wondwr he's so concerned, he looks like he would blow away in the wind.

[Kate!]

Energy Secretary Ed Miliband.

No wondwr he's so concerned, he looks like he would blow away in the wind.

Wish he would. :hee:

[Beso]

Wish he would. :hee:


Here you go. :fan:

[MTVN]

Any link to this story?

[Mystic Mock]

there is more road unlit than lit across the UK. Motorways are not the most dangerous roads

I can testify to this.

We have a road in our Town Centre that has no Traffic Lights.

[thesheriff443]

Someone running round with a gun or a knife can wound and kill a few innocent people but someone wearing a suit can torture and kill millions of innocent people.

[LaLaLand]

Slightly off topic here but does anyone else really miss the old orange street lights!? I do!

[arista]

Any link to this story?


No


It is a terrible thread


Google Search:
[Permanent Removal of Lights:
In some cases, lights are permanently removed
from certain areas, especially where there
is a good safety record and analysis suggests
it won't negatively impact road safety.]



https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=UK+motorway+turn+off+street+lights

[arista]

Ive seen that in some Italian motorways. I don't know how people drive through that at night D:

Workers do.
they have no choice

[MTVN]

No


It is a terrible thread


Google Search:
[Permanent Removal of Lights:
In some cases, lights are permanently removed
from certain areas, especially where there
is a good safety record and analysis suggests
it won't negatively impact road safety.]



https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=UK+motorway+turn+off+street+lights

Yes this feels like fake news. Not a new gov policy unless someone can show otherwise

[arista]

Yes this feels like fake news. Not a new gov policy unless someone can show otherwise


I think Zizu has driven in it
and is Shocked.


It is a big change.


Warning signs should be at the Start
and a Light on them.

[arista]

Several Councils are now bankrupt, around 11
So, turning off street lights could increase

[joeysteele]

Yes this feels like fake news. Not a new gov policy unless someone can show otherwise

I would guess fake news is a fair description probably.

[arista]

I would guess fake news is a fair description probably.


No Joey,
some council's are now trying Road Lights off

In order to save money

[Kate!]

I'll re title the thread.

[joeysteele]

No Joey,
some council's are now trying Road Lights off

In order to save money

It's not as presented being a government policy.
Plus the lights have been being dimmed and even switched off for years past in some areas.
It's not new.
I often drive on unlit roads, where there's not even any lights to switch on.
People shouldn't drive if they cannot drive in the dark.

Of course Councils need to save funds and should, however they've been hammered as to funding for the last 15 years.

As was asked however, where is any link that this IS this government's policy.
Can you supply that link then please since no one else seems able to?

[arista]

It's not as presented being a government policy.
Plus the lights have been being dimmed and even switched off for years past in some areas.
It's not new.
I often drive on unlit roads, where there's not even any lights to switch on.
People shouldn't drive if they cannot drive in the dark.

Of course Councils need to save funds and should, however they've been hammered as to funding for the last 15 years.

As was asked however, where is any link that this IS this government's policy.
Can you supply that link then please since no one else seems able to?

Yes it is not Labour Policy Yet.

But Councils are doing it as tests

[arista]

I'll re title the thread.

Good
One Kate


As Ed is going to have to bring it in
officially, soon.



PM Starmer will call another,
early conference at a well early morning time

[joeysteele]

Yes it is not Labour Policy Yet.

But Councils are doing it as tests

So the answer is it's not IN FACT official policy then, I'll more take your word on that.
Whether it's yet or not yet or maybe never.

Councils can do tests, that's up to individual councils.
This was happening way back in 2014 at least anyhow..
It's NOT a new thing.

I still haven't seen any official link posted as to this however.
Presumably you haven't found a conclusive one either it seems.

[arista]

[I still haven't seen any official link posted as to this however.]

You won't, as that will stop Ed's Plan.

You can find out the Future Plans
if you could have 5mins with Ed

[bots]

government don't pay the electricity bills for all the public roads in the UK, it's local councils/residents that do that. I would imagine they have a ton of data on what areas need to be lit and those that don't across their council areas

[Beso]

Sometimes people have to drive In the dark, like for health emergency or sons and daughters neefing picked up from sticky situations...Its not all about can't drive in the dark, so shouldn't be driving.

[joeysteele]

[I still haven't seen any official link posted as to this however.]

You won't, as that will stop Ed's Plan.

You can find out the Future Plans
if you could have 5mins with Ed


No thank you, I don't want any minutes with Ed Miliband.

It's good though YOU seen to be privileged to know that it's a concrete plan of his.
Even without ANY OFFICIAL substantiation that you can show it IS what WILL be done.
Despite it virtually having been being done for over 10 years anyhow.

There's roads across the UK which have never EVER had any lighting on them.

[joeysteele]

government don't pay the electricity bills for all the public roads in the UK, it's local councils/residents that do that. I would imagine they have a ton of data on what areas need to be lit and those that don't across their council areas

Exactly correct
Nice to read a fair comment, thank you.

[Beso]

They tried it in 2009, then realised it was to dangerous after numerous crashes

[Livia]

I would like a breakdown of how the Road Fund License is spent. Paid for by the put-upon motorist, another tax to go alongside the 53 pence we pay in tax PER LITRE of fuel, then the 20% VAT we pay on the price of petrol at the pump after duty has been added. Then there's all the ULEZ and congestion charges, tolls on roads, tunnels and bridges, the cost of parking... I think the least we can expect is that we have some lights on motorways when it's dark.