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[user104658]

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[Beso]

Basically, most men and women voted for trump...

[user104658]

Basically, most men and women voted for trump...

This is categorically incorrect, 56% of women voted for Kamala Harris. 54% of men voted Trump. Men were more likely to vote overall than women.

The likelihood of voting Republican for men was in this order:

Divorced men < single men < men in long term relationships

I provided articles with interesting stats to be discussed and that's the point of the thread, not people's random thoughts and opinions.

[Beso]

So men's brains kick back into gear once the shackles have been taken off.:shrug:

And women stick together more.:shrug:

[Livia]

Around 50% of marriages fail. Surely it can't be used to paint everyone with the same brush.

[The Slim Reaper]

I think politics of grievance appeals to certain individuals. Not just the divorced, who generally feel that, but for folks who are lonely, and who may have just been left behind by an increasingly uncaring and bleak world, without the tools to deal with those emotions and address it. It's why the links between these groups and people like Tate and Peterson are plain for all to see.

Bonding around hating out groups can be traced all the way back to our primate roots, and alliances these days are undeniably, increasingly, based around hating folks, and the belief that others are getting away with things, or have perceived advantages they themselves do not share.

[user104658]

I think politics of grievance appeals to certain individuals. Not just the divorced, who generally feel that, but for folks who are lonely, and who may have just been left behind by an increasingly uncaring and bleak world, without the tools to deal with those emotions and address it. It's why the links between these groups and people like Tate and Peterson are plain for all to see.


I definitely agree with that as being a big part of the equation - especially the sharks like Tate and Peterson (and the little guppies like Laurence Fox in their wake) who smell the blood in the water.

I go back and forth with having some sympathy, I do think some ultimately quite sad elements of "male loneliness" have been weaponised. Ultimately all the fault of patriarchal capitalism of course at the end of the day; yet people have been convinced of the polar opposite.

[BBXX]

Male loneliness is definitely an issue, and unfortunately the demographic that like to use is as some kind of point during Pride Month, for example, or when talking about issues women face, are the same demographic who help uphold it through the persistence of supporting men fitting into a stereotypical box of what a man needs to be. This box doesn't have space for men connecting with their emotions in a healthy way, which would reduce male mental health issues.

The biggest irony is, this same subsection are those most affected by male loneliness. Those whose archaic worldview help keep it in existence. It's an issue, in many ways, of their own creation.

[user104658]

Around 50% of marriages fail. Surely it can't be used to paint everyone with the same brush.

No but while political differences are sometimes the reason FOR divorce, I think the more interesting question is why do some people's politics and personal opinions seem to shift after a bit of (too much?) "time alone" and it seems to affect men more than women.

Is it true that they were maybe hiding certain things they thought wouldn't go down well with partners? Or is it that "loneliness" and maybe more importantly a lack of diverse social outlet has an effect over time. Or a bit of both. Is there ironically an element of feeling marginalised/excluded from a sense of personal or familial community (and drawn into other communities as a result) part of it.

The stats are what they are it's trying to see the reason that's interesting to me. Sometimes. When feeling open minded.

[user104658]

The biggest irony is, this same subsection are those most affected by male loneliness. Those whose archaic worldview help keep it in existence. It's an issue, in many ways, of their own creation.

The people pushing it and benefiting from it are not the ones most affected by it though, I suspect. Well, mostly. I do think Jordan Peterson is a very angry, confused and lonely man. His descent from academic to religiosity and frustrated righteousness is a case study in itself... Yet he's made a fortune off it himself. Bizarre stuff. He's gained fame and fortune but oh boy he does not seem like it's made him happier.

[Beso]

You make it sound like men are sad and lonely after a divorce...

Sorry but it isn't always like that.

[user104658]

You make it sound like men are sad and lonely after a divorce...

Sorry but it isn't always like that.

Obviously not always, but often. That's what statistics are about Parmy, it's not about everything being 100%, it's about noticing correlations that "X increases alongside Y" and thinking about why that might be.

If anything, the fact that it's "not all" makes it even more interesting because it means that it's not inevitable - so if you can figure out why it affects some men so badly but others manage to navigate it without going down that route, you can maybe tackle the issue.

Because as has been said above there are all sorts of reasons for divorces and separation, the answer can't be "we can solve it by people never breaking up". So it's worth figuring out why such a large number head off down a dark path.

[Beso]

If the wife was a democrat voter and it was her that filed for divorce, then the div9rced husband is obviously going to vote for trump to get one up on her.

If it was the man doing the divorcing, he probably found out she voted democrat.

[bots]

It depends a lot on education and what peoples home life was like growing up too. Also, we had a once in a generation covid event that will likely be a major contributor to peoples mental health/thinking for many years to come

[user104658]

It depends a lot on education and what peoples home life was like growing up too. Also, we had a once in a generation covid event that will likely be a major contributor to peoples mental health/thinking for many years to come

To be fair on the Covid thing also - it was practically once in a century or more, no one in living memory has seen anything like it (not Covid as an illness per se, but the lockdown/self quarantine/furlough situation) and we'll most likely never see anything quite like it again. Fascinating historical event but yes it definitely created some unusual mindsets.

[Alf]

Would you want to marry a modern leftie woman?

She's probably humourless, ugly, angry, witless and has Green hair. And would likely want your son to identify as a girl.

[Mystic Mock]

Would you want to marry a modern leftie woman?

She's probably humourless, ugly, angry, witless and has Green hair. And would likely want your son to identify as a girl.

Not all lefty women are ugly and have green hair.:laugh:

[BBXX]

Would you want to marry a modern leftie woman?

She's probably humourless, ugly, angry, witless and has Green hair. And would likely want your son to identify as a girl.

Why would ANY woman choose a republican man whose political beliefs show he doesn’t value her health or safety or independence.

Just a reminder it’s a MALE loneliness epidemic. Women are choosing more and more to stay single instead of getting in relationships with republican men who will end up treating them like an unpaid maid / their mummy, and won’t even know their children’s teachers name.

Men are told their purpose in life is to “leave a legacy” and make money, so when women are choosing to be single and the world is economically ****, a lot of men are ‘failing’ at the one thing they are told they should be achieving.

Men need women more than women need men. A lot of my guy friends - most of them will be centre right politically - got married and had kids because that’s what society told them was the purpose of life. Thats what men are supposed to do. They’re not particularly happy. Unfortunately, many men are so concerned with being seen as ‘successful’ by society they will make decisions that will ensure they are the paradigm of that, all the while being unhappy.

Women are smarter than men, and are more and more frequently making decisions that are beneficial for a happy and content life rather than what society is telling them they should be doing.

Unfortunately for many men, that life more and more often doesn’t include them if their values include banning abortion and that women should take on the mental load of an entire family while he plays golf.

I will say however I think this is shifting. I think younger men not influenced by Andrew Tate et al are really bucking the trend that have been set by older generations which is great to see.

[Ninastar]

Most republican men I know are married, but that could just be because I’m getting older and older

[BBXX]

The people pushing it and benefiting from it are not the ones most affected by it though, I suspect. .

Maybe not, but the people they're talking to are. Studies suggest ,ale loneliness is most prevalent in populist radical right support: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S027795362500005X

[BBXX]

Most republican men I know are married, but that could just be because I’m getting older and older

I think most republican men are women are probably married to one another, and because of the values that republicans like to hang their hat off (family values, traditional marriage, marriage and procreation being the biggest purpose of life) it doesn't surprise me.

In terms of marital status, aside from Widowed Men, married men and women are the only subsection where the majority identify as republican, rather than democrat:

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/partisanship-by-gender-sexual-orientation-marital-and-parental-status/

I think the issue is with younger demographic, with more and more women leaning towards democrats, the dating pool of republican women is smaller, leaving swathes of republican men single.

[Niamh.]

I think most republican men are women are probably married to one another, and because of the values that republicans like to hang their hat off (family values, traditional marriage, marriage and procreation being the biggest purpose of life) it doesn't surprise me.



In terms of marital status, aside from Widowed Men, married men and women are the only subsection where the majority identify as republican, rather than democrat:



https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/04/09/partisanship-by-gender-sexual-orientation-marital-and-parental-status/



I think the issue is with younger demographic, with more and more women leaning towards democrats, the dating pool of republican women is smaller, leaving swathes of republican men single.It's a very American thing though isn't it? Republican/democrat?

Not sure most people here in Ireland anyway even identify themselves politically like that.

[Ammi]

…maybe divorced men do pull more to Republic after divorce if being in that marriage provided a more balanced perspective…I think that would be true for some but I recall reading pre Trump’s first election that generally, wives would vote with their husbands so without that then …(…it would say to me…)…that divorced women would pull more the Democrat without that influence …I mean, divorce in itself creates a natural division so that division and gap would/could extend to so many areas and politics is such a game of divisiveness in modern times, anyway…there is very little middle ground other than very right or very left and that seems to be micro analysed in every/any thought …social media/internet/mainstream media etc have all created a tribalistic type team this or team that and there is little in between other than silent voices…

…anyways, another article of interest… Quantum Boy ….
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/31/opinion/kamala-harris-trump-vance.html

…It’s interesting how Vance, a married family man seems to have encouraged any voting divide in the labelling of ‘cat lady’ voters…

[BBXX]

It's a very American thing though isn't it? Republican/democrat?

Not sure most people here in Ireland anyway even identify themselves politically like that.

You are right. It is, yes.

I honestly don't really think here in the UK people are so politically divided to such a mainstream extent. There are extremes of both sides, but the large majority seem to fit somewhere in the middle and get along regardless.

I think the U.S it's just far more polarising.

[Jessica.]

There is literally a group of men (mostly American) who think women find them unattractive because of the girth of their wrist, not joking and I bet you any money that they are all on the right politically.

[Ammi]

You are right. It is, yes.

I honestly don't really think here in the UK people are so politically divided to such a mainstream extent. There are extremes of both sides, but the large majority seem to fit somewhere in the middle and get along regardless.

I think the U.S it's just far more polarising.

…(…I think…)…that in the Uk and Ireland also, partnerships vote more independently throughout that partnership so when a separation/division happens…there is probably no significant change…whereas in some parts of America, maybe a different dynamic that impacts voting patterns…

[Mystic Mock]

It's a very American thing though isn't it? Republican/democrat?

Not sure most people here in Ireland anyway even identify themselves politically like that.

Good on the Irish I think.

[Niamh.]

…(…I think…)…that in the Uk and Ireland also, partnerships vote more independently throughout that partnership so when a separation/division happens…there is probably no significant change…whereas in some parts of America, maybe a different dynamic that impacts voting patterns…

Yeah Absolutely. It's definitely less of a .......way of life? I've said it before but really our 2 main Political parties in Ireland may as well be the same tbh I think for the most part people (and this is probably true of the UK as well) just want to get on with their own lives and worry about their own day to day things

[Ammi]

Yeah Absolutely. It's definitely less of a .......way of life? I've said it before but really our 2 main Political parties in Ireland may as well be the same tbh I think for the most part people (and this is probably true of the UK as well) just want to get on with their own lives and worry about their own day to day things

…yeah it is true of the UK also, same party different name is becoming more what we’re living…it feels like a political game of career/income elevation….I personally can’t recall ever asking my OH how he was voting in any election, or he asking me…?…but US is such a huge beast in comparison, I imagine that many different dynamics can be part of it…

[Niamh.]

…yeah it is true of the UK also, same party different name is becoming more what we’re living…it feels like a political game of career/income elevation….I personally can’t recall ever asking my OH how he was voting in any election, or he asking me…?…but US is such a huge beast in comparison, I imagine that many different dynamics can be part of it…

We talk about it, sometimes we vote the same, sometimes we don't, it's never an issue though.

[Ammi]

…I guess what I mean as well is that a divorced woman, for instance…?…if previously voted for Republic because that was very much influenced and led by a spouse…post divorce, could then apply a Democrat vote which may be more in line with a woman’s rights to her body etc and a mindset that aligns more with who she is…?..but that wouldn’t necessarily follow either because some political views in some states can be passed down through generations as well and very deeply instilled…US politics and politics that we know is so different in so many ways…

[Niamh.]

…I guess what I mean as well is that a divorced woman, for instance…?…if previously voted for Republic because that was very much influenced and led by a spouse…post divorce, could then apply a Democrat vote which may be more in line with a woman’s rights to her body etc and a mindset that aligns more with who she is…?..but that wouldn’t necessarily follow either because some political views in some states can be passed down through generations as well and very deeply instilled…US politics and politics that we know is so different in so many ways…

Yeah maybe so, it does seem incredibly polarised and tribal over there

[Alf]

Why would ANY woman choose a republican man whose political beliefs show he doesn’t value her health or safety or independence.

Just a reminder it’s a MALE loneliness epidemic. Women are choosing more and more to stay single instead of getting in relationships with republican men who will end up treating them like an unpaid maid / their mummy, and won’t even know their children’s teachers name.

Men are told their purpose in life is to “leave a legacy” and make money, so when women are choosing to be single and the world is economically ****, a lot of men are ‘failing’ at the one thing they are told they should be achieving.

Men need women more than women need men. A lot of my guy friends - most of them will be centre right politically - got married and had kids because that’s what society told them was the purpose of life. Thats what men are supposed to do. They’re not particularly happy. Unfortunately, many men are so concerned with being seen as ‘successful’ by society they will make decisions that will ensure they are the paradigm of that, all the while being unhappy.

Women are smarter than men, and are more and more frequently making decisions that are beneficial for a happy and content life rather than what society is telling them they should be doing.

Unfortunately for many men, that life more and more often doesn’t include them if their values include banning abortion and that women should take on the mental load of an entire family while he plays golf.

I will say however I think this is shifting. I think younger men not influenced by Andrew Tate et al are really bucking the trend that have been set by older generations which is great to see.There's far too much to reply to in that. Pretty much everything you say there is just so unbelievably wrong.

Where do you get this rubbish from?

[BBXX]

There's far too much to reply to in that. Pretty much everything you say there is just so unbelievably wrong.

Where do you get this rubbish from?

Let's break it down.

Why would ANY woman choose a republican man whose political beliefs show he doesn’t value her health or safety or independence.

When a vote for Republican is a vote for making abortion illegal, it's a vote against women's safety, their rights and their health.

Just a reminder it’s a MALE loneliness epidemic. Women are choosing more and more to stay single instead of getting in relationships with republican men who will end up treating them like an unpaid maid / their mummy, and won’t even know their children’s teachers name.

Stats are time and time again showing that women are staying single for longer. By 2030 it's estimated that 45% of women between 25-44 will be single. That's a stat continuing to increase. In the 2010s it was 43% and in the 70s it was 18%. For most, this is a choice. For the most part, it's Women who have the control over whether to ignite a relationship, by and large. For many women, if they are single it's because they are choosing to be so.

Men are told their purpose in life is to “leave a legacy” and make money, so when women are choosing to be single and the world is economically ****, a lot of men are ‘failing’ at the one thing they are told they should be achieving.

Studies have often suggested (https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/02/15/among-young-adults-without-children-men-are-more-likely-than-women-to-say-they-want-to-be-parents-someday/) that more men (57%) than women (45%) want children. 21% of women now say they don't ever want child compared to 15% of men. This is because many men - particularly those with traditional values - believe marriage and procreating is the main purpose of life. I am not saying this is a bad thing, just that more men than women value the idea of it.

Men need women more than women need men. A lot of my guy friends - most of them will be centre right politically - got married and had kids because that’s what society told them was the purpose of life. Thats what men are supposed to do. They’re not particularly happy. Unfortunately, many men are so concerned with being seen as ‘successful’ by society they will make decisions that will ensure they are the paradigm of that, all the while being unhappy.

See above. More women don't want kids, more women are choosing to be single. Women are therefore putting less emphasis/important on companionship in the modern day. There is a reason for this. And it's because women are often dissatisfied with what many men bring to a relationship in terms of balance of responsibility. In the 70s, they had little choice and little freedom. Nowadays, that is not a problem. Hence why they're opting out for longer.

I don't know how many women you have in your friendship circle, but I have a lot and more and more are unsatisfied with the imbalance of their home life - something that becomes more and more prevalent when they have children. Most women will work, because not many households can afford to live off one wage - yet many also are expected to take on the majority of the tasks around the house as well - it's a common problem and it's not made up.

[Cherie]

I don't think it is just women opting out, I know alot of young men through my sons who have very little interest in having children, they don't want to bring kids into todays world, this is very much social media driven, I don't think we put too much thought into it tbh, it was just the think to do, the other thing they are shunning is working ....lots of young people just not working or in education, they just have a different slant on things, not necessarily a bad thing in some ways

[Niamh.]

I don't think it is just women opting out, I know alot of young men through my sons who have very little interest in having children, they don't want to bring kids into todays world, this is very much social media driven, I don't think we put too much thought into it tbh, it was just the think to do, the other thing they are shunning is working ....lots of young people just not working or in education, they just have a different slant on things, not necessarily a bad thing in some ways

Great in theory but if an entire generation stops working there's going to be big problems in society :laugh:

[bots]

there is a big shift away from doing things at the request of the countries governments. So, people in general, question whether whats happening will better them just because the government says it will. Social media has certainly helped the process, but governments handling of covid really brought everything home to people in stark reality. No government is trusted now, wherever you go in the world and that certainly wasn't true when i was a lad

[Livia]

What a thread full of wild generalisations and shaky stats.

[Ninastar]

It's a very American thing though isn't it? Republican/democrat?

Not sure most people here in Ireland anyway even identify themselves politically like that.

It’s honestly the same for my generation over here. What you see on the internet is absolutely nothing like real life

Most people my age are completely in the middle ground with politics.

If there were a party that had mostly politically in the middle beliefs, it would 10000% be the majority vote

But our system here is very flawed and I hate that

[Niamh.]

It’s honestly the same for my generation over here. What you see on the internet is absolutely nothing like real life

Most people my age are completely in the middle ground with politics.

If there were a party that had mostly politically in the middle beliefs, it would 10000% be the majority vote

But our system here is very flawed and I hate that

That's interesting to hear, it's good though, what we see here online and in the media makes it seem so bad over there

[BBXX]

I don't think it is just women opting out, I know alot of young men through my sons who have very little interest in having children, they don't want to bring kids into todays world, this is very much social media driven, I don't think we put too much thought into it tbh, it was just the think to do, the other thing they are shunning is working ....lots of young people just not working or in education, they just have a different slant on things, not necessarily a bad thing in some ways

No, you're right it's not just women opting out, there is a definite shift in attitudes towards having children, which I for one welcome - I think far too many people had kids without giving actual proper thought about it and those choosing not to tend to give it way more thought and weight up the pros and cons.

However, the studies to do it's still more men than women want kids, and I think in part that's due to women not being satisfied with the disparity within the home.

[BBXX]

What a thread full of wild generalisations and shaky stats.

Would love to get other stats/studies showing alternative opinions! Open to learning. I can just go by what stats tend to say and the rhetoric I hear from the men and women I speak to and read about. :)

[Niamh.]

No, you're right it's not just women opting out, there is a definite shift in attitudes towards having children, which I for one welcome - I think far too many people had kids without giving actual proper thought about it and those choosing not to tend to give it way more thought and weight up the pros and cons.

However, the studies to do it's still more men than women want kids, and I think in part that's due to women not being satisfied with the disparity within the home.

Reminds me of when we had the referendum for abortion here in Ireland a few years back, the most vocal people on the against side that I came across personally were men and in particular men who I knew for a fact had been pretty uninvolved in the raising of their own children or didn't have any children. It was very much a stance of wanting babies to be born but obviously someone else(some woman) would have to look after them. - Anecdotal of course but it was my experience at the time

[Ammi]

It’s honestly the same for my generation over here. What you see on the internet is absolutely nothing like real life

Most people my age are completely in the middle ground with politics.

If there were a party that had mostly politically in the middle beliefs, it would 10000% be the majority vote

But our system here is very flawed and I hate that

…yeah I have to say that I spend a lot of time on a few American forums that are general chat forums and much of their take anything US political is so much different to any vein on this site…which I think seems to be very media driven that has crossed a whole ocean and maybe much lost in translation…

[Ammi]

No, you're right it's not just women opting out, there is a definite shift in attitudes towards having children, which I for one welcome - I think far too many people had kids without giving actual proper thought about it and those choosing not to tend to give it way more thought and weight up the pros and cons.

However, the studies to do it's still more men than women want kids, and I think in part that's due to women not being satisfied with the disparity within the home.

…in having children in today’s world…?..I think that any shifts also have to look at the financial aspect…they’re extremely expensive little people and I think that’s a huge consideration because there are so many opportunities available for many young people but so much more restricted with the cost of having a family…

[BBXX]

Reminds me of when we had the referendum for abortion here in Ireland a few years back, the most vocal people on the against side that I came across personally were men and in particular men who I knew for a fact had been pretty uninvolved in the raising of their own children or didn't have any children. It was very much a stance of wanting babies to be born but obviously someone else(some woman) would have to look after them. - Anecdotal of course but it was my experience at the time

Indeed.

Of course the same doesn't apply to everyone and with what I've said further up, it comes with caveats and some generalisations of course, but a lot of generalisations are rooted in truth. I don't know of many women in my life who would say the unevenness of the mental load isn't something that gets to them.

[BBXX]

…in having children in today’s world…?..I think that any shifts also have to look at the financial aspect…they’re extremely expensive little people and I think that’s a huge consideration because there are so many opportunities available for many young people but so much more restricted with the cost of having a family…

Absolutely, money has a lot to do with it too. There are many reasons, I am just saying I do think for women, knowing that the majority of the raising of a child, the graft and the real hard parts will fall to her if another.

[Niamh.]

Indeed.

Of course the same doesn't apply to everyone and with what I've said further up, it comes with caveats and some generalisations of course, but a lot of generalisations are rooted in truth. I don't know of many women in my life who would say the unevenness of the mental load isn't something that gets to them.

I do have to put my hand up here now though and say my own husband is and has always been great, children and home wise but yeah generally speaking I would say the majority of women feel an imbalance there

[Ammi]

Absolutely, money has a lot to do with it too. There are many reasons, I am just saying I do think for women, knowing that the majority of the raising of a child, the graft and the real hard parts will fall to her if another.

…yeah, it really does feel quite regressive that, that mindset is still so commonplace…obviously not with all, my son and his partner both share childcare absolutely equally and have both reduced their working hours to accommodate that …which is lovely because they both get their own bonding time with him as well as that which they all share together…that is also very much the way with many of his friendship groups also, that it’s very much a shared and equal arrangement …I do think though that it’s becoming less and less the ‘society roles’ of parenting of it falling to women, though…I see that in schools/in the playground drop offs/collections etc of the parent eho attends school events if only one parent is able to…I do think there is a shift thre as well which I hope doesn’t regress and continues as it appears to be, right now…

[Ammi]

I do have to put my hand up here now though and say my own husband is and has always been great, children and home wise but yeah generally speaking I would say the majority of women feel an imbalance there

…yes, I’m raising my hand as far up as I can and saying I’m rubbish cook for a start and there are so many things that the they’ve both gone to dad for…they do have specifics that they’ve always come to me for as well…we have definite roles which have always been equal in value in parenting…

[Ninastar]

…yeah I have to say that I spend a lot of time on a few American forums that are general chat forums and much of their take anything US political is so much different to any vein on this site…which I think seems to be very media driven that has crossed a whole ocean and maybe much lost in translation…

Thank you! That’s so nice to hear! You don’t often have people say nice things about Americans but I’ve always felt more accepted and loved here than anywhere else

[Glenn.]

Divorced guys be one court hearing away from watching Jordan Peterson clips and voting Trump.

[Ammi]

Thank you! That’s so nice to hear! You don’t often have people say nice things about Americans but I’ve always felt more accepted and loved here than anywhere else

…(…I think …)…because of the vein of the forum we are in terms of the things we discuss as well…?..it tends to be very media led and very negative and very click-British as well and just quite inaccurate in terms of balance because it all does have a very political and divisive vein…but when we’re chatting to Americans, it’s just not the same conversations that we’re having…it’s everyday stuff and the type of things we all chat about in our family and friend circles and yeah, many very accepting people as you say with the same gripes and groans as us in the UK only with a funny accent…

[Alf]

Television and feminist propaganda on it, destroyed women's role in nature.

Now most are selling their bodies online or living alone with their cats.

What they realy want is to have a family they can nurture. They want a man who provides security and in return, she will look after him and the family. Used to be a fair trade, until they let the ugly, angry, envious feminists on the television.

It's leftie politics that destroyed women's role in nature.

Men are fine. We'll always find something to do. We can just put the playstation on and be happy.

[Glenn.]

Television and feminist propaganda on it, destroyed women's role in nature.

Now most are selling their bodies online or living alone with their cats.

What they realy want is to have a family they can nurture. They want a man who provides security and in return, she will look after him and the family. Used to be a fair trade, until they let the ugly, angry, envious feminists on the television.

It's leftie politics that destroyed women's role in nature.

Men are fine. We'll always find something to do. We can just put the playstation on and be happy.

It’s almost as if women don’t deserve men huh.

Women don’t need men.

[Niamh.]

"Living alone with their cats" don't threaten me with a good time :hee:

[Alf]

"Living alone with their cats" don't threaten me with a good time :hee:But you're much happier living with your kids and family than you would be living with cats.

Am I right? I'm not wrong.

[BBXX]

Television and feminist propaganda on it, destroyed women's role in nature.

Now most are selling their bodies online or living alone with their cats.

What they realy want is to have a family they can nurture. They want a man who provides security and in return, she will look after him and the family. Used to be a fair trade, until they let the ugly, angry, envious feminists on the television.

It's leftie politics that destroyed women's role in nature.

Men are fine. We'll always find something to do. We can just put the playstation on and be happy.

Men are killing themselves. Men are not fine.

Imagine replying to what I said calling it rubbish and then coming out with that.

Perhaps listen to women.

[Alf]

Men are killing themselves. Men are not fine.

Imagine replying to what I said calling it rubbish and then coming out with that.

Perhaps listen to women.I listen to women everyday. They just bitch about other women. Who wants to listen to that sh!te by choice? I'd rather have a quiet pint thanks all the same.

[Glenn.]

Ah yes, the guy with no woman, and zero self-awareness telling women what their “duty” is. Always a treat. It’s wild how confidently you speak about women when the closest you’ve gotten to one is arguing with women online. Maybe instead of preaching about what women should do, try figuring out why none of them are choosing you. Start there, champ.

[Alf]

Ah yes, the guy with no woman, and zero self-awareness telling women what their “duty” is. Always a treat. It’s wild how confidently you speak about women when the closest you’ve gotten to one is arguing with women online. Maybe instead of preaching about what women should do, try figuring out why none of them are choosing you. Start there, champ.I figured it out years ago. I'm at peace with it.

[Glenn.]

Ah, makes sense. Acceptance is the final stage, right? Glad you’ve made peace with being loudly opinionated about women from the sidelines. It’s giving “didn’t get picked, so burned the rulebook.” Stay serene, king.

[Alf]

Ah, makes sense. Acceptance is the final stage, right? Glad you’ve made peace with being loudly opinionated about women from the sidelines. It’s giving “didn’t get picked, so burned the rulebook.” Stay serene, king.Will do. Thank you.

[Alf]

Ah, makes sense. Acceptance is the final stage, right? Glad you’ve made peace with being loudly opinionated about women from the sidelines. It’s giving “didn’t get picked, so burned the rulebook.” Stay serene, king.You go out and vote for people to control our lives, who are far more opinionated than me.

You yourself are more opinionated than me. There isn't any topic of conversation on here that you don't have an opinion on.

[Glenn.]

The difference is I actually live in the real world, where people listen, engage, and sometimes even agree. You’re just posting manifesto drafts from a recliner, bitter at a world that never gave you the control you think you deserved. No one’s scared of your opinions—they’re just not worth the time. That’s why you’re at “peace,” right? It’s easier to pretend you’ve chosen solitude than admit you were never invited.

[Alf]

The difference is I actually live in the real world, where people listen, engage, and sometimes even agree. You’re just posting manifesto drafts from a recliner, bitter at a world that never gave you the control you think you deserved. No one’s scared of your opinions—they’re just not worth the time. That’s why you’re at “peace,” right? It’s easier to pretend you’ve chosen solitude than admit you were never invited.Then why give my opinions the time? I'm not forcing you to.

You have an ignore button. You are able to use it if you wanted to.

[Alf]

I think it's because you have the hots for me.

[Glenn.]

I don’t need the ignore button. Watching you talk in circles trying to sound wise is actually fascinating. You post to be noticed, then pretend you don’t care when you are. It’s not that your opinions bother me—they just confirm exactly why you’re still having this conversation alone.
And now it’s because I secretly fancy you? That’s adorable. When the arguments run out, flirt with your critic—bold strategy. Truth is, I respond for the same reason people slow down at a car crash. Morbid curiosity. You’re not being ignored because you’re “too real”—you’re being humoured because it’s honestly a bit tragic.

[Alf]

I don’t need the ignore button. Watching you talk in circles trying to sound wise is actually fascinating. You post to be noticed, then pretend you don’t care when you are. It’s not that your opinions bother me—they just confirm exactly why you’re still having this conversation alone.
And now it’s because I secretly fancy you? That’s adorable. When the arguments run out, flirt with your critic—bold strategy. Truth is, I respond for the same reason people slow down at a car crash. Morbid curiosity. You’re not being ignored because you’re “too real”—you’re being humoured because it’s honestly a bit tragic.A very spot on assessment.

You're wiser than I thought you were.

[Glenn.]

No ****

[BBXX]

It's giving incel.

[Alf]

It's giving communist

[Alf]

It's giving Antifa

[BBXX]

Anne Tifa is my drag name, yaaaas.

[Alf]

Anne Tifa is my drag name, yaaaas.Good choice, it fits you well.

[BBXX]

In all seriousness, I would say I am a communist - I believe in a free market economy, and would say I am more a Libertarian.

[Alf]

In all seriousness, I would say I am a communist - I believe in a free market economy, and would say I am more a Libertarian.You do know that communism makes facism look a picnic when it comes to genocide?

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah maybe so, it does seem incredibly polarised and tribal over there

It definitely comes across that way to me.

[Mystic Mock]

Great in theory but if an entire generation stops working there's going to be big problems in society :laugh:

Not with AI around the corner to do the work for everyone.

[BBXX]

You do know that communism makes facism look a picnic when it comes to genocide?

Oh dear, that was a typo ! I meant to say I am NOT a communist, hence why I believe in a free market economy. :laugh:

[Niamh.]

Not with AI around the corner to do the work for everyone.

and who's going to pay people if AI is doing all the work?

[Mystic Mock]

Television and feminist propaganda on it, destroyed women's role in nature.

Now most are selling their bodies online or living alone with their cats.

What they realy want is to have a family they can nurture. They want a man who provides security and in return, she will look after him and the family. Used to be a fair trade, until they let the ugly, angry, envious feminists on the television.

It's leftie politics that destroyed women's role in nature.

Men are fine. We'll always find something to do. We can just put the playstation on and be happy.

I controversially will say that I think some of the feminists in the Media definitely have encouraged this weird rivalry/hatred between Gen-Z men & women to a point.

It's not to say that men are angels (not by a long shot,) but the Media definitely has gone through a period of trying to tell young women that young men are these nefarious creeps, which is what I like to call a grain of truth, but extremely exaggerated to make it seem to women that nearly every guy is a monster.

On the flipside, I do also think that Incel culture rising in popularity isn't going to solve the misgivings that young women are feeling about young men currently in general. Which these Incels have got to own their problems and try to get help.

Because obviously the Human race is in a really bad way if we keep encouraging the younger generations into fearing each other.

[BBXX]

I don't think we're at risk of generations not working, I think younger generations just appreciate a better work-life balance. I subscribe to the idea that you work to live, not the other way around. I might be seen as unambitious because I am not climbing some corporate ladder, but I have a low mortgage, have loads of free time, have 3-4 holidays a year seeing the world and exploring new places. I enjoy my life immensely. Most of my family have died before the age of 60, including my father. I'm not of the idea I should be busting my ***** to build a career just to die before I can reap the rewards. I'm reaping the rewards as I go. Life is too short, and I firmly believe that's what younger generations believe too.

[Mystic Mock]

Then why give my opinions the time? I'm not forcing you to.

You have an ignore button. You are able to use it if you wanted to.

Functions like blocking and ignoring people on the Internet hasn't helped younger generations either imo.

My main reason for believing that is they're not ready for the real world where they won't be in an echo chamber anymore, and they'll have to hear opinions that they might not like, which you need to develop a thick skin for that kind of thing from an early age.

[Mystic Mock]

and who's going to pay people if AI is doing all the work?

I'm sure our dear leaders will have a plan for that within the next decade.

[Mystic Mock]

I don't think we're at risk of generations not working, I think younger generations just appreciate a better work-life balance. I subscribe to the idea that you work to live, not the other way around. I might be seen as unambitious because I am not climbing some corporate ladder, but I have a low mortgage, have loads of free time, have 3-4 holidays a year seeing the world and exploring new places. I enjoy my life immensely. Most of my family have died before the age of 60, including my father. I'm not of the idea I should be busting my ***** to build a career just to die before I can reap the rewards. I'm reaping the rewards as I go. Life is too short, and I firmly believe that's what younger generations believe too.

I personally think that's fair.

I'm just a talentless and lazy ****er unfortunately.:laugh:

[Niamh.]

I'm sure our dear leaders will have a plan for that within the next decade.

:laugh: I'm glad you have so much faith in them

[Mystic Mock]

:laugh: I'm glad you have so much faith in them

:laugh:

I suspect we'll become like the Humans out of Wall-E.:worry:

[Niamh.]

I don't think we're at risk of generations not working, I think younger generations just appreciate a better work-life balance. I subscribe to the idea that you work to live, not the other way around. I might be seen as unambitious because I am not climbing some corporate ladder, but I have a low mortgage, have loads of free time, have 3-4 holidays a year seeing the world and exploring new places. I enjoy my life immensely. Most of my family have died before the age of 60, including my father. I'm not of the idea I should be busting my ***** to build a career just to die before I can reap the rewards. I'm reaping the rewards as I go. Life is too short, and I firmly believe that's what younger generations believe too.

Oh no, I totally agree with that but you also need money to be able to travel etc. I'm 100% on board with the work to live mantra :laugh:

[Niamh.]

:laugh:

I suspect we'll become like the Humans out of Wall-E.:worry:

Oh Dear :worry:

[Mystic Mock]

Oh Dear :worry:

McDonald's is going to love it I bet.