Gatwick Bound Air India plane crashes 5 minutes after takeoff

[Cherie]

A plane bound for Gatwick airport has crashed shortly after take off in India with hundreds of people on board.

The Air India flight was departing from Ahmedabad shortly after 9am BST.

Reports suggest at least 242 people were on board.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/gatwick-bound-passenger-flight-with-hundreds-on-board-crashes-in-india/ar-AA1GzjVl?ocid=BingNewsSerp


It came down in a residential area

[Ammi]

…totally horrendous, devastating pics…

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[Cherie]

The plane was headed to London's Gatwick airport in the UK, Air India said, while police officers said it crashed in a civilian area near the airport.

"At this moment, we are ascertaining the details and will share further updates," Air India said on X.

Investigators recover 'black box' flight recorders from Air India crash

The crash occurred when the aircraft was taking off, television channels reported. Visuals showed debris on fire, with thick black smoke rising up into the sky near the airport.

They also showed visuals of people being moved in stretchers and being taken away in ambulances.

A total of 242 people were on board the flight, news agency ANI reported, citing Gujarat state's police control room.

India's CNN News18 TV channel, however, said there were 220 passengers and 12 crew on the plane.

Reuters

[Cherie]

…totally horrendous, devastating pics…

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oh my God...horrendous

[Cherie]

It is likely there will be alot of UK citizens involved in this unfortunately.

[Cherie]

53 British Nationals on the flight confirmed so far

7 Portugese

I Canadian

and the remainder Indian nationals

[Cherie]

Boeing 847 Dreamliner Plane

Pilot made a Mayday call prior to the crash

[arista]

53 British now dead

Who were on board

[arista]

14years it has been flying


SkyNewsHD Live

[arista]

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[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/06/12/11/99296331-14805217-image-a-5_1749722562897.jpg

tragic burnt alive

[Cherie]

Plane was 11 years old

The incident happened 1 minute into the flight, the plane struggled to gain altitude

[Benjamin]

There could be ground casualties too most likely :(

[arista]

No Survivors
sadly

[arista]

There could be ground casualties too most likely :(


Yes all that were under it

[arista]

[Flight AI171 was travelling from
Ahmedabad to London Gatwick]


30 dead recovered so far
some could be from the Building it landed on.


SkyNewsHD Live

[arista]

SkyNewsHD
keeps giving a warning
as the show showed a few seconds as it crashed and went up
in flames


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/06/12/11/99296641-14805217-image-m-16_1749722905307.jpg

moments before death.

[Cherie]

The plane crashed into accommodation for Medical Students

[arista]

The plane crashed into accommodation for Medical Students



How sad some have sadly
died

[Ammi]

…it’s sadly going to take a long time to confirm those who were in the hostel building at the time…plus anyone else on the ground at the impact…

[arista]

…it’s sadly going to take a long time to confirm those who were in the hostel building at the time…plus anyone else on the ground at the impact…


Worse, all those on the Flight
burnt alive

[Livia]

Shocking... What a dreadful thing...

[Ammi]

Worse, all those on the Flight
burnt alive

…of course, all of the deaths…horrific, I would say that some will be more difficult to identify and confirm, though…as to who was in a building at a given time of the plane impact…

[bots]

Tragic. However as it was just taking off, the plane didn't have far to fall, so it would have been over pretty quickly. Take off and landing are where most crashes happen because thats when they are under maximum stress

[arista]

1933094801512997362

16 seconds before death.


shown on Sky News

[arista]

242 all dead.


Local Police Confirm

[Cherie]

Could be Terrorism?

[arista]

ITV1HDnews
Just Stated
rerports

It was a big bird strike into both engines?

[arista]

Could be Terrorism?


Not if its a Massive bird Strke into two engines

[Cherie]

Not if its a Massive bird Strke into two engines

Has that been given as a possible cause?

Sorry just seen your post above, that is insane you would think by now they would have developed something to prevent that happening

[arista]

Has that been given as a possible cause?

Sorry just seen your post above, that is insane you would think by now they would have developed something to prevent that happening


Yes Dreamliner claims they can handle a Bird strike.


But if this was a Massive Flock
Hitting both engines?



Locals are reporting it.

[Livia]

Just taking off, to state the obvious, it would have been full of fuel.

[arista]

Just taking off, to state the obvious, it would have been full of fuel.


Yes can only land,
on a runway.


They contacted the airport.


I assume it could be talking about,
Massive Birds hitting both big engines

[Nicky91]

no, this is not terrorism, i had thought of that too i do admit, due to there having been a former (controversial) politician among the passengers


but the explosions eyewitnesses heard were most likely after the impact with the ground



i'm thinking maybe the wrong flaps configuration, or forgot to set the flaps entirely in their pre-take off checklist, since it struggled to get off the ground, flaps help generate lift during take off, forgetting them wouldn't be the first time this had happened and ended up as a fatal error, like Northwest Airlines Flight 255 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwest_Airlines_Flight_255

[arista]

Correction on all dead

Police in India are now reporting
a survivor.


One is confirmed as a British National.



GBnewsHD/SkyNewsHD/BBCnewsHD


One Survivor said he heard
A loud noise?

[arista]

Air India
to offer £86,000
for each dead passenger's family.

[Zizu]

Air India
to offer £86,000
for each dead passenger's family.


What a strange figure .. maybe they are expecting everyone to ask for more so then settle for £100,000 ?


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[arista]

What a strange figure .. maybe they are expecting everyone to ask for more so then settle for £100,000 ?




Reported on BBCnewsHD

[Cherie]

Air India
to offer £86,000
for each dead passenger's family.

Such a distasteful announcement, did we need to know that at this point

[Livia]

Correction on all dead

Police in India are now reporting
two survivors.


One is confirmed as a British National.

One is in the hospital

GBnewsHD/SkyNewsHD/BBCnewsHD


One Survivor said he heard
A loud noise?

It's so hard to believe anyone made it out of that. World's luckiest human.

[bots]

It's so hard to believe anyone made it out of that. World's luckiest human.

i bet the guilt of surviving will be almost unbearable

[bots]

Such a distasteful announcement, did we need to know that at this point

the case will no doubt go to court, so it is an attempt to limit damages

[arista]

Such a distasteful announcement, did we need to know that at this point

Yes as in India they are way ahead on this.

The CEO is British

[Livia]

i bet the guilt of surviving will be almost unbearable

Yeah, didn't think about that.

[arista]

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[Ammi]

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…it’s incredible that not only did he survive but that he actually walked away literally…and another survivor …?…but I don’t know any information about them…

[arista]

…it’s incredible that not only did he survive but that he actually walked away literally…and another survivor …?…but I don’t know any information about them…


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Yes Lucky Man

[bots]

it looks like row 11 was at a door, maybe he got thrown out and away by the blast

[arista]

it looks like row 11 was at a door, maybe he got thrown out and away by the blast

Yes makes you now want to be
Seated by a Door

[Ammi]

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Yes Lucky Man

it looks like row 11 was at a door, maybe he got thrown out and away by the blast

…and it looks as though he still hung into his phone …/…if that’s his own phone he’s holding…it’s just surreal, isn’t it…

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/html_modules/2025/06_JUN/250612_Air_india_Crash/250612_Air_india_Crash-large.jpg

When they Shout Mayday
What else did they shout to the control room?


We should find out Later

[bots]

the black box also records many of the planes systems status's, i'm sure they will identify the cause pretty quickly on this one

[arista]

the black box also records many of the planes systems status's, i'm sure they will identify the cause pretty quickly on this one


Yes we must find out

[arista]

President Trump is Live in USA TV FoxNewsHD
no mention of this tragedy, sadly

At last a Reporter Asks about the Plane Crash In India


President Trump said
it is tragic and he has offered help.




Note I deleted that post
as now he has addressed the India Plane crash

[Zizu]

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[arista]

Yes, he is well Lucky

[arista]

…and it looks as though he still hung into his phone …/…if that’s his own phone he’s holding…it’s just surreal, isn’t it…

Yes the One Lucky Man
he lives in London.


His family must be well pleased.

[Ammi]

Yes, he is well Lucky

…lucky as in he still has his life …I can’t even begin to imagine the depth of emotional damage though, be that only surviivor…

…earlier I read that there were two survivors but now it’s saying only one../..Vishwash….

[Cherie]

Some reports are that he was sat with his brother, which is pretty heartbreaking and I saw another video of two young guys who were returning from a magical holiday in India, they filmed themselves in the departure lounge...life is pretty fragile

Confirmed by a family member the survivors brother was sitting next to him but they have no word of him, I guess he is gone, I hope we don't hear they swapped seats as families generally do when travelling together

[Ninastar]

Heartbreaking. I can’t even imagine how that lone survivor feels.

[arista]

…lucky as in he still has his life …I can’t even begin to imagine the depth of emotional damage though, be that only survivor…

…earlier I read that there were two survivors but now it’s saying only one../..Vishwash….

We still have to find out,
if there are any more

As over 40 in the hospital
taken from the place where the plane crashed

[Oliver_W]

Jesus, all I'd heard about this until now was basically the headline, it's just horrible.

Has foul play definitely been ruled out?

…and it looks as though he still hung into his phone …/…if that’s his own phone he’s holding…it’s just surreal, isn’t it…

The worst ever taste in Instagram posts?

Likely he was letting his family know he's alive?

[Ammi]

Jesus, all I'd heard about this until now was basically the headline, it's just horrible.

Has foul play definitely been ruled out?



The worst ever taste in Instagram posts?

Likely he was letting his family know he's alive?

…it was such an incredibly brave thing to jump from the plane …sadly his family’s joy at his survival will be equalled with grief in facing that his brother probably didn’t survive ….

[Cherie]

Just seen a report from someone who landed on the doomed flight just hours before who said the aircon and TVs were not working he took a video of people fanning themselves with inflight mags to send to Air India

[bots]

if you look at the picture, the survivor was positioned at the 2nd door, just forward of the wing that contained all the fuel that exploded

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/800/cpsprodpb/7579/live/c0de2470-478d-11f0-bc7c-8b1a4886b501.png.webp

[Livia]

Bloody hell....

[arista]

[A British father has miraculously survived
the Air India plane disaster believed to have
claimed the lives of hundreds of people in India.

Vishwash Kumar Ramesh, 40,
spoke from the safety of a hospital bed
after escaping from the fallen
Gatwick-bound Flight 171 this morning.]

The passenger, who was in seat 11A when the plane came down in a residential area of Gujarat, recalled: 'Thirty seconds after take-off, there was a loud noise and then the plane crashed. It all happened so quickly.'

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Yeah I'm gonna go to Milan by 36 hour coach

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Yeah I'm gonna go to Milan by 36 hour coach

Wise

[Vanessa]

Technical failure and the reason why I wouldn't board a flight that isn't a company I know well.
Take British Airways they're very good.
Really heartbreaking, and only one survivor. Wow

[Vanessa]

Yeah I'm gonna go to Milan by 36 hour coach

:laugh:

[Benjamin]

Yeah I'm gonna go to Milan by 36 hour coach

There’s more chance of dying that way than flying.

[Ammi]

…one of the articles I read had some initial thoughts of aviation specialists…obviously it is just thoughts in studying the footage and not based on any black box findings yet but one has said that ‘it didn’t look correct’ in that the plane had the landing gear down when it should have been up and it didn’t appear to have its take off flap setting…


…we’ll find out more soon, just horrendous, a terrible tragedy…

[bots]

…one of the articles I read had some initial thoughts of aviation specialists…obviously it is just thoughts in studying the footage and not based on any black box findings yet but one has said that ‘it didn’t look correct’ in that the plane had the landing gear down when it should have been up and it didn’t appear to have its take off flap setting…


…we’ll find out more soon, just horrendous, a terrible tragedy…

yeah, they said the flaps weren't extended which would mean the plane didn't have enough lift and that is consistent with the planes flight behaviour. I would speculate at this point that it was pilot error. Anyone who has flown knows you can hear the flaps going into position and it takes 20-30 seconds, so it's impossible to miss

[Ammi]

BBC TV star feared dead in Air India plane crash after haunting final post


BBC1 TV show DanceX contestant Jamie Greenlaw-Meek is feared dead in the doomed Air India plane. Greenlaw-Meek and Fiongal Greenlaw-Meek are among 53 British nationals who were booked to fly on the aircraft.

In a video shared onto their company The Wellness Foundry’s Instagram account, Fiongal, a former fashion designer, said: “We are at the airport, just boarding, goodbye India”. His husband then joked about the lengthy 10-hour flight.

In another clip shared to social media, they described their trip as a “magical experience” and promised to share a vlog with their followers of their “mind blowing things”.

“We really have been on quite a journey and then just spending the last night here in this most amazing hotel, we’ve just had the most delicious Thali food. It was the perfect way to round up the trip,” Jamie said.

The couple, from London, were due to return home on the Air India flight after a 10-day wellness retreat, Jamie Meek’s brother said.

Nick Meek, a caretaker from Birmingham, said: “We were expecting him home tonight. He should have landed at 6.30pm and then driven up for about 11 to get his dog who is staying with our Mum.

“She is not in a good way. It is all very raw for her at the moment. It’s a lot to take in and we only heard this news a couple of hours ago.”

Jamie had appeared on BBC One reality contest Dance X. Hosted by Ben Shephard, the series saw two teams of male and female dancers compete to form a new dance group under the guidance of Arlene Phillips and Bruno Tonioli.

Meanwhile, a prayer meeting for victims is expected to take place at 4.30pm on Monday in Harrow, northwest London where nearly half of England’s Gujarati-speakers live.

The event, at the International Siddhashram Shakti Centre, will bring together members of the close-knit community, which has been devastated by news of the incident in Ahmedabad, for the first time since the news broke.

Krishna Pujara, vice-president of the National Council for Gujarati Organisations in the UK said: “It’s a very, very sad day. We have been doing our best to try to help everybody and see what we can do to help. On a dark day for the community we stand in unity with the families of the victims - may they find strength and peace.

“There is a prayer meeting this afternoon in Harrow and we will be meeting tonight so we can get all the community faith organisations and the wider Indian diaspora together to help, we have been contacted by a number of relatives and we are dealing with Foreign Office in terms of seeing what we can do to help them.

“We are communicating with Gujarat to see if we can help find answers for them and the Indian High Commission. It’s a tragedy for the community. Gujaratis are a very close knit community.”

[Ammi]

…’goodbye India…’…just so haunting/so poignant…

[Nicky91]

Captain Sabharwal had 8,200 hours of flying experience, while First Officer Kundar had logged 1,100 flight hours

Captain Sumeet Sabharwal was a highly experienced pilot with 8,200 flight hours. He was known for his calm demeanor and professionalism, earning deep respect in the aviation community2. Sabharwal had been flying for nearly three decades and was preparing to retire soon. He had recently told his 82-year-old father, a former aviation official, that he planned to quit his job to care for him full-time

First Officer Clive Kundar, on the other hand, was just beginning his aviation career. He had 1,100 flight hours and had trained at Paris Air Inc., a Florida-based flight school. Kundar came from a family with strong aviation ties—his mother was part of a flight crew, and he initially studied aircraft maintenance before becoming a pilot2. Friends described him as a good-natured man who loved sports


information about the pilots


i don't think this was pilot error, two highly trained and very professional pilots, the captain even was a instructor as well


and as for the flaps overlooked due to a delay, there almost was no delay, maybe just 5 minutes, thats not a problem at all



might be a mechanical failure or hydraulical, considering the survivor also saying ''he heard a loud bang and then everything turned to chaos in no time''

[Ammi]

New CCTV footage shows Air India plane's take-off and crash


New CCTV footage has emerged showing an Air India flight bound for London Gatwick crashing and bursting into flames just moments after take-off.

More than 200 people - including 53 British nationals - were on board Flight AI171 to London Gatwick. It was earlier reported that all on board had died, but Sky News has since confirmed that a British man survived.

The video shows the aircraft taking off from Ahmedabad Airport in the northwestern Indian state of Gujarat.

But just seconds after the plane is airborne, it can be see struggling to gain altitude and instead begins descending towards buildings, with its wheels still out and its nose raised.

A huge explosion can be seen followed by thick black plumes of smoke rising into the skies.


…the CCTV vid is in the link…
https://uk.yahoo.com/news/moments-air-india-plane-crash-111800986.html

[Ammi]

…I could never imagine how it would have been for those there watching it unfold in real time …it felt as though it was all ascending perfectly and in a split second, it wasn’t anymore…and then it’s direction was downwards…all incredibly harrowing for those watching helplessly…

[Nicky91]

omg, the aircraft stalled


:(

[Nicky91]

reports indicate that Air India Flight 171's pilots may have been affected by fatigue and demanding schedules. Concerns over crew exhaustion had already been raised in the past, with Air India facing penalties for violating flight duty time limits


could've been a contributing factor, but how fatigued were they actually


every pilot is allowed to fly a certain amount of hours, as long as you also have the right amount of sleeping hours, 8 hours of uninterrupted sleep


were these pilots too fatigued, they overlooked setting the flaps to the correct setting

[rusticgal]

Many years ago a British Airways aircraft stalled after take off crashing near the staines reservoir. One person initially survived but then died at the scene. It literally dropped to the ground. This was back in the 70's.

[Ammi]

Many years ago a British Airways aircraft stalled after take off crashing near the staines reservoir. One person initially survived but then died at the scene. It literally dropped to the ground. This was back in the 70's.

…I’m just reading about that now, it was a flight to Brussels and initially there were two survivors…(…which strangely was reported with this incident as well but then the report became one again…)…but both as you say, died of their injuries later…the Staines plane apparently suffered a ‘deep stall’ which is a phrase I’ve read as being an early speculation with this aircraft also…

[Cherie]

It is unlikely to be a pilot error given they issued a Mayday call, if they made an error they would have corrected it, it happened too fast, given was the passengers on the previous flight on the same plane said about the air con not working I think its likely mechanical failure and lack of checks on the ground

[arista]

There’s more chance of dying that way than flying.


Rubbish
He will be safe in a coach.

[arista]

It is unlikely to be a pilot error given they issued a Mayday call, if they made an error they would have corrected it, it happened too fast, given was the passengers on the previous flight on the same plane said about the air con not working I think its likely mechanical failure and lack of checks on the ground


Yes
It's a Company
known for cutting back when working on new planes.

Also Yes,
Sometimes checks are rushed

[arista]

Never Use Air India
could be a result of all this.

[Benjamin]

Rubbish
He will be safe in a coach.

It’s not rubbish. There’s more chance of dying on the roads than flying. :laugh:

[arista]

It’s not rubbish. There’s more chance of dying on the roads than flying. :laugh:


Not in a Coach

[Benjamin]

Not in a Coach

Yes. Not sure if you’ve ever looked at statistics before :laugh:

[Oliver_W]

Yeah a coach would have to asplode or fly off the road to kill the passengers tbh, in most cases.

[Benjamin]

Yeah a coach would have to asplode or fly off the road to kill the passengers tbh, in most cases.

You’re still more likely to die in a coach than a plane :joker:

[Zizu]

You’re still more likely to die in a coach than a plane :joker:


Is that strictly true though ??

You can’t really compare the two things imho

Imagine if there where only two flights per day worldwide .. and one fell out of the sky each day .


There were also 1000 coach trips daily with five crashes. ..


By your reckoning you are safer taking the plane …


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[Benjamin]

Is that strictly true though ??

You can’t really compare the two things imho

Imagine if there where only two flights per day worldwide .. and one fell out of the sky each day .


There were also 1000 coach trips daily with five crashes. ..


By your reckoning you are safer taking the plane …


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Yes it’s true. Not sure why it’s even up for debate. :laugh:

[Zizu]

Yes it’s true. Not sure why it’s even up for debate. :laugh:


The arguments are a bit wishy washy

Like when they compare flying with train journeys



Comparison:
If you compare deaths per mile traveled, planes are generally safer. However, if you compare deaths per journey, trains are safer.
In short, both flying and train travel are very safe modes of transportation, but flying is statistically safer, particularly when considering the total distance traveled.

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[Benjamin]

Show us the evidence ..


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Again not sure why this is even up for debate but confirms why I don’t often enter SD on TiBB.

A simple google search will show you what you need. Try typing:

Statistics of dying by coach vs plane worldwide

[Zizu]

Again not sure why this is even up for debate but confirms why I don’t often enter SD on TiBB.

A simple google search will show you what you need. Try typing:

Statistics of dying by coach vs plane worldwide


See post #105

Its all very subjective


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[Benjamin]

See above post

Its all very subjective


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No it’s not. But carry on…

[Zizu]

No it’s not. But carry on…


Did you even read # 105 ?


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[Ammi]

…this is reported to be a video that a passenger took 2 hours before the crash and indicating that so much in the cabins isn’t working…including the AC and TV/movie screens…


1y_u1O-T6jw

[Oliver_W]

See post #105

Its all very subjective


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No it's not.

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6130&stc=1&d=1749842280

[Zizu]

…this is reported to be a video that a passenger took 2 hours before the crash and indicating that so much in the cabins isn’t working…including the AC and TV/movie screens…


1y_u1O-T6jw


Yikes

If something like that happens in the future I may consider getting off ..,


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[Zizu]

No it's not.

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=6130&stc=1&d=1749842280


… and yet

Comparison:
If you compare deaths per mile traveled, planes are generally safer. However, if you compare deaths per journey, trains are safer.
In short, both flying and train travel are very safe modes of transportation, but flying is statistically safer, particularly when considering the total distance traveled.


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[Nicky91]

this particular aircraft had 4 emergency landings before, as well as the previous flight before this one from Delhi to Ahmedabad, a passenger had seen the flaps in the retracted position, however the flight back then was pretty much normal and the pilots of that flight didn't notice anything unusual, so they also didn't report in the log about this



even worse, Air India doesn't want problems to be noted in the logbook, because that would be bad for business


very chilling honestly

[Cherie]

this particular aircraft had 4 emergency landings before, as well as the previous flight before this one from Delhi to Ahmedabad, a passenger had seen the flaps in the retracted position, however the flight back then was pretty much normal and the pilots of that flight didn't notice anything unusual, so they also didn't report in the log about this



even worse, Air India doesn't want problems to be noted in the logbook, because that would be bad for business


very chilling honestly

I don't think there are any surprises here, I think we can assume this was a very preventable accident if they did the proper maintenance checks

[rusticgal]

Yikes

If something like that happens in the future I may consider getting off ..,


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Bit difficult mid flight…

[Nicky91]

I don't think there are any surprises here, I think we can assume this was a very preventable accident if they did the proper maintenance checks

cutting corners regarding maintenance has ended up fatally way too many times honestly

:(


however my theory, the captain said ''no thrust, no power'' what if the pitot tube on the captain's side of the plane was blocked, and gave out faulty warnings, they accidentally pushed engine power to maximum and that might've damaged the engine, hence the loud bang what the survivor said he heard

also idk what protocols at Air India are like when it comes to emergency situations, who of the pilots has the final say


the first officer was highly trained in emergency situations, however due to his inexperience, it could be that he would not go against his more experienced captain (whom was also a instructor, and a very respected captain at the airline too)


so either blocked pitot tube (birgenair all over again) or fatigue, exhaustion

[Vanessa]

A lot in that plane was not working. They clearly didn't do proper maintenance or it wouldn't be such a mess.
Cutting corners.

[Zizu]

Bit difficult mid flight…


Thought it said they noticed loads of faults BEFORE takeoff ??


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[arista]

A lot in that plane was not working. They clearly didn't do proper maintenance or it wouldn't be such a mess.
Cutting corners.


Yes Tragic
Cutting Corners.

[Ammi]

…one of the passenger stories emerging…


Girls orphaned when father died in Air India crash after scattering wife’s ashes


Two children were orphaned when their father was killed in the Air India plane crash after travelling to scatter his wife’s ashes in her homeland, according to a fundraiser for the family.

Arjun Patoliya, 37, was killed 18 days after his wife Bharti had died from cancer, the GoFundMe page to support their daughters, aged four and eight, said.

The Briton had travelled to Gujarat to fulfil his wife’s “final wish”.

By Saturday afternoon more than £370,000 had been raised to help the girls.

The fundraiser, organised by Mr Patoliya’s colleague, said: “Their mother, Bharti Patoliya, passed away after a courageous battle with cancer.

“Fulfilling her final wish, her husband Arjun Patoliya travelled to India to scatter her ashes in her homeland in Gujarat.”

It added: “Arjun left to bid farewell to his wife, never returned to the children they both raised.

“Now, these two beautiful young girls have been left without parents — their world turned upside down in just over two weeks.”

[Benjamin]

…one of the passenger stories emerging…


Girls orphaned when father died in Air India crash after scattering wife’s ashes


Two children were orphaned when their father was killed in the Air India plane crash after travelling to scatter his wife’s ashes in her homeland, according to a fundraiser for the family.

Arjun Patoliya, 37, was killed 18 days after his wife Bharti had died from cancer, the GoFundMe page to support their daughters, aged four and eight, said.

The Briton had travelled to Gujarat to fulfil his wife’s “final wish”.

By Saturday afternoon more than £370,000 had been raised to help the girls.

The fundraiser, organised by Mr Patoliya’s colleague, said: “Their mother, Bharti Patoliya, passed away after a courageous battle with cancer.

“Fulfilling her final wish, her husband Arjun Patoliya travelled to India to scatter her ashes in her homeland in Gujarat.”

It added: “Arjun left to bid farewell to his wife, never returned to the children they both raised.

“Now, these two beautiful young girls have been left without parents — their world turned upside down in just over two weeks.”

:(

[Maru]

…one of the passenger stories emerging…


Girls orphaned when father died in Air India crash after scattering wife’s ashes


Two children were orphaned when their father was killed in the Air India plane crash after travelling to scatter his wife’s ashes in her homeland, according to a fundraiser for the family.

Arjun Patoliya, 37, was killed 18 days after his wife Bharti had died from cancer, the GoFundMe page to support their daughters, aged four and eight, said.

The Briton had travelled to Gujarat to fulfil his wife’s “final wish”.

By Saturday afternoon more than £370,000 had been raised to help the girls.

The fundraiser, organised by Mr Patoliya’s colleague, said: “Their mother, Bharti Patoliya, passed away after a courageous battle with cancer.

“Fulfilling her final wish, her husband Arjun Patoliya travelled to India to scatter her ashes in her homeland in Gujarat.”

It added: “Arjun left to bid farewell to his wife, never returned to the children they both raised.

“Now, these two beautiful young girls have been left without parents — their world turned upside down in just over two weeks.”

Terrible.

[Nicky91]

…one of the passenger stories emerging…


Girls orphaned when father died in Air India crash after scattering wife’s ashes


Two children were orphaned when their father was killed in the Air India plane crash after travelling to scatter his wife’s ashes in her homeland, according to a fundraiser for the family.

Arjun Patoliya, 37, was killed 18 days after his wife Bharti had died from cancer, the GoFundMe page to support their daughters, aged four and eight, said.

The Briton had travelled to Gujarat to fulfil his wife’s “final wish”.

By Saturday afternoon more than £370,000 had been raised to help the girls.

The fundraiser, organised by Mr Patoliya’s colleague, said: “Their mother, Bharti Patoliya, passed away after a courageous battle with cancer.

“Fulfilling her final wish, her husband Arjun Patoliya travelled to India to scatter her ashes in her homeland in Gujarat.”

It added: “Arjun left to bid farewell to his wife, never returned to the children they both raised.

“Now, these two beautiful young girls have been left without parents — their world turned upside down in just over two weeks.”

tragic :(

[Cherie]

Thought it said they noticed loads of faults BEFORE takeoff ??


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No passengers on the previous domestic flight which landed just two hours before they took off for Gatwick said there was no air con and no tv and one of the passengers recorded a video to send to Air India

[Zizu]

No passengers on the previous domestic flight which landed just two hours before they took off for Gatwick said there was no air con and no tv and one of the passengers recorded a video to send to Air India


Interesting

They would have noticed the consoles / lights/ air con weren’t working as soon as they were settled ( about 20 minutes before taking off )

??

One dodgy tv console is expected but not them all


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[bots]

the tv not working is not unusual. The flaps not working is an entirely different matter, and it really doesn't matter if it was a system failure or not, it was pilot negligence to take off with the flaps in the wrong position. There is a copilot for a reason, to make sure . that all the safety checks are completed before take off and flaps in the correct position is a major safety check

[Oliver_W]

…one of the passenger stories emerging…


Girls orphaned when father died in Air India crash after scattering wife’s ashes


Two children were orphaned when their father was killed in the Air India plane crash after travelling to scatter his wife’s ashes in her homeland, according to a fundraiser for the family.

Arjun Patoliya, 37, was killed 18 days after his wife Bharti had died from cancer, the GoFundMe page to support their daughters, aged four and eight, said.

The Briton had travelled to Gujarat to fulfil his wife’s “final wish”.

By Saturday afternoon more than £370,000 had been raised to help the girls.

The fundraiser, organised by Mr Patoliya’s colleague, said: “Their mother, Bharti Patoliya, passed away after a courageous battle with cancer.

“Fulfilling her final wish, her husband Arjun Patoliya travelled to India to scatter her ashes in her homeland in Gujarat.”

It added: “Arjun left to bid farewell to his wife, never returned to the children they both raised.

“Now, these two beautiful young girls have been left without parents — their world turned upside down in just over two weeks.”

Jesus, I hope they have a good support network.

[Zizu]

Jesus, I hope they have a good support network.


I don’t think i would have left two young daughters at such a time .. to scatter the wife’s ashes .

Live in the moment … for the future !

If he had prioritised the poor children they would be living long happy life rather than than this unnecessary living nightmare .


He could have sent the ashes over with strict instructions or even sent them over with a friend or family member and saved an absolute fortune as well


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[Benjamin]

I don’t think i would have left two young daughters at such a time .. to scatter the wife’s ashes .

Live in the moment … for the future !

If he had prioritised the poor children they would be living long happy life rather than than this unnecessary living nightmare .


He could have sent the ashes over with strict instructions or even sent them over with a friend or family member and saved an absolute fortune as well


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I don’t disagree with what he did. Of course he wanted to scatter his own wife’s ashes as per her request.

[Ammi]

…he fulfilled a dying wish of his partner…that’s something I would have wanted to and only have done myself also…it’s not something that I would have ever entrusted to someone else to do…

[Cherie]

I don’t disagree with what he did. Of course he wanted to scatter his own wife’s ashes as per her request.

absolutely, no one goes on a journey and thinks I am going to die today, for goodness sake Zizu get a grip he wasn't Mystic Meg

[Cherie]

I see the conspiracy theorists have started already, the survivor threw himself into the the crash for compo :facepalm:

When someone pointed out he was actually booked on the flight.....he missed the plane and then threw himself into the fireball


Apparently he managed to transport himself from the airport to the crash site as he knew the plane was going to crash :facepalm:

[Zizu]

I don’t disagree with what he did. Of course he wanted to scatter his own wife’s ashes as per her request.


He should have put the welfare of his daughters first !


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[Benjamin]

He should have put the welfare of his daughters first !


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Don’t be so bloody ridiculous. You do post some crap sometimes.

[Zizu]

Don’t be so bloody ridiculous. You do post some crap sometimes.


Being ridiculous is leaving your two , young , grieving daughters behind and taking an expensive trip across the world to scatter some ashes … something that ANYONE could have done ..


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[arista]

I will never use Air India.


They failed on that Massive Flight

[Zizu]

I will never use Air India.


They failed on that Massive Flight


Agreed


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[rusticgal]

Being ridiculous is leaving your two , young , grieving daughters behind and taking an expensive trip across the world to scatter some ashes … something that ANYONE could have done ..


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It’s not ridiculous…

You are making these comments based on hindsight…

[Benjamin]

Being ridiculous is leaving your two , young , grieving daughters behind and taking an expensive trip across the world to scatter some ashes … something that ANYONE could have done ..


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Are you married?

[Zizu]

Are you married?


Affirmative


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[Benjamin]

Affirmative


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So, imagine if you and your wife and kids (unsure if you have kids) lived in another country, away from your home country (I’m unsure where your home country is, but that doesn’t matter).

Your wife, who is dying of cancer, asks for you to scatter her ashes in her home country. You’re going tell her you won’t do it, and actually won’t do it?

[Ammi]

Being ridiculous is leaving your two , young , grieving daughters behind and taking an expensive trip across the world to scatter some ashes … something that ANYONE could have done ..


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…but isn’t that the thing, that anyone couldn’t have taken her ashes to be scattered because it was a specific final wish that her husband take them…he was the person that she made that request to…should he have said no, you ask or I’ll ask someone else to take that journey to your final resting place…?…or should he have said yes, of course…and then not taken them…have her only believe that he would carry out that final thing she’d ask …?…his wife was also aware that she was mother to two young daughters and asked him to fulfil the wish…hindsight is a wonderful thing as they say, of course he wouldn’t have boarded that plane had he known its fate…but through the sadness of the tragedy, he did fulfil the wish as he obviously wanted to…

[Ammi]

…it’s now being looked at as possible duel engine failure with some new video footage that’s being studied atm…

[Nicky91]

dual engine failure makes not much sense, at takeoff, a plane can only takeoff at V1



also the footage, to me this came across more like a stall, not engine failure, i also saw no flames


the landing gear should've been up, but it remained down, the landing gear caused the drag, especially with the flaps in the fully retracted position, that caused it to stall, but the question is

why would an experienced captain and a well trained first officer not have noticed the landing gear still being down, and the flaps in the fully retracted position?

[Nicky91]

the investigators need to focus on the pre-takeoff checklist, if everything went by the book


or if they were distracted by something

[arista]

Ch4HDnews
has a reporter in India
75 people are missing
around the area where the plane crashed.

Air India has stated they will compensate

[Ammi]

Ch4HDnews
has a reporter in India
75 people are missing
around the area where the plane crashed.

Air India has stated they will compensate


…well of course…and an unprecedented/landmark payment for the airline, I would think…Will they still be able to exist as an airline from that…?…

[Nicky91]

there was another similar incident, also an Air India plane


this one however returned safely to the airport




so now why did this one crash, and why does the other one, land safely despite same issue


what were these pilots doing differently?




i am also thinking this aircraft might've been in ****** Landing Mode, if the angle is exactly right, then it can go into that mode, and then it keeps the gear down, it retracts the flaps since you don't need them like you do during takeoff, and it slows down the engine thrust


Turkish Airlines flight 1951 had that when it crashed miles in front of schiphol many years ago, with this problem



could this problem having surfaced again?

[Cherie]

We flew to Spain today and were sitting by the wing so had a good view of the flaps opening and closing...they are innocuous looking things aren't they, the person in front was practically flying the plane, everyone is a pilot now and when we landed, lsome people clapped, were they expecting to die, it was just so random, a breakout round of applause, no one ever applauds a taxi driver if he delivers you to your door :laugh:

[Benjamin]

We flew to Spain today and were sitting by the wing so had a good view of the flaps opening and closing...they are innocuous looking things aren't they, the person in front was practically flying the plane, everyone is a pilot now and when we landed, lsome people clapped, were they expecting to die, it was just so random, a breakout round of applause, no one ever applauds a taxi driver if he delivers you to your door :laugh:

It makes me cringe when people clap when the plane lands. :laugh:

[Cherie]

It makes me cringe when people clap when the plane lands. :laugh:

it really is:fist:

[arista]

We flew to Spain today and were sitting by the wing so had a good view of the flaps opening and closing...they are innocuous looking things aren't they, the person in front was practically flying the plane, everyone is a pilot now and when we landed, lsome people clapped, were they expecting to die, it was just so random, a breakout round of applause, no one ever applauds a taxi driver if he delivers you to your door :laugh:



Yes
scary few seconds

Glad you are safe

[Nicky91]

tjZPEep9nzo

realistic simulation, someone uploaded on youtube

[Nicky91]

the runway length

3.505 meters long in total


this plane took off after covering 2.460 meters, they had 1.000 meters of runway left


did they took off too early, with lack of engine thrust? combined with the hot weather 43C, which also wears down on the plane's performance honestly

combined with it having been a full aircraft, passengers, luggage and fuel wise


so

For a fully loaded Boeing 787-8 in 43°C heat, the engines (GE GEnx-1B) would typically need to deliver close to full rated thrust — around 64,000 pounds of thrust per engine


and we know the captain before the crash said ''no thrust, no power'' they were far below that obviously


so why not abort takeoff if you go too slow?

[Nicky91]

they had a warning about the right engine, not having enough power, before V1


they could've aborted takeoff, but why would such highly qualified pilots make such a amateurish blunder

[thesheriff443]

It makes me cringe when people clap when the plane lands. :laugh:

It’s still a big deal for some people

[Ammi]

…he climbs through a hole to jump and survive and the day after his release from hospital, Vishwash Kumar Ramesh is carrying his brother’s coffin at his funeral…it’s just beyond imagining…

https://www.boredpanda.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2025/06/air-india-plane-crash-vishwash-kumar-brother-funeral_4-6853e00caff33__700.jpg

[arista]

[Vishwash Kumar Ramesh
is carrying his brother’s coffin]


Yes a sad day for him.
Good is out of the hospital now.

[Nicky91]

the bigger question still remains


why not abort take off, since V1 was likely not existent with very little engine thrust, and the fact you don't hear the engines doesn't mean they weren't rotating, but could be that they remained at idle for whatever reason, my thoughts, a blocked pitot tube feeding the computer the wrong information

[Nicky91]

murder suicide it is then



question now is which of the pilots committed that, i think the first officer :think:


with the captain being distracted informing the cabin crew with takeoff instructions or something

giving Kunder an opportunity to cutoff the fuel from the engines

[Nicky91]

In those final moments, it was Captain Sabharwal who issued the Mayday call and was heard saying, “No thrust, no power,” trying to make sense of the sudden loss4. The cockpit voice recorder captured him asking, “Why did you cut off?” and the other pilot replying, “I didn’t,” suggesting confusion or denial. Notably, First Officer Clive Kunder’s voice wasn’t heard again after that exchange



�� Crew Resource Management (CRM) training emphasizes teamwork, verbal coordination, and shared decision-making—especially during crises.

��️ After Captain Sabharwal said “No thrust, no power” and asked “Why did you cut off?”, Kunder’s reply—“I did not do so”—was the last thing heard from him.

�� From that point until impact, only Sabharwal’s voice was recorded, including the Mayday call. That silence raises questions about Kunder’s condition, awareness, or possible incapacitation.



Fuel Control Switch Operation
Here’s how the process works:

�� Location: The fuel control switches are located below the thrust levers on the center console of the cockpit2.

�� Settings: Each switch has two positions:

RUN – allows fuel to flow to the engine.

CUTOFF – stops fuel flow, shutting down the engine.

�� Safety Mechanisms:

The switches are spring-loaded to stay in place.

Each switch is protected by guard brackets on either side.

To move a switch, the pilot must lift it over a metal stop lock before toggling it4.

�� Intentional Action Required: This design means a pilot must consciously pull up and flip the switch—it cannot be bumped or moved accidentally



the fuel switches must've been deliberately set from RUN to CUTOFF



also the fact that the first officer doesn't say much after the captain's question if he cut off the fuel, which he replied ''i did not do so'' also is unusual, considering in a crisis like this, you'd normally expect the pilots to work as a team, constantly communicate, coming up with ideas to get out of this situation but him remaining quiet makes you think was he physically unwell, or was he mentally not fit to fly


what we know about first officer Kunder, he is described as ''a young aviator full of promise'' ''best of his class'' ''especially performed excellently in the emergency scenario simulations''


but maybe something in his personal life what was a red flag :think:

[arista]

Fuel switches Cut Off
caused the crash

[arista]

Only one man survived

[Nicky91]

Fuel switches Cut Off
caused the crash

yes, but it only could've done deliberately by one of the pilots, can't have been accidentally either



i say the first officer, since we hear the captain being surprised regarding ''no thrust, no power'' and he tried to save the aircraft in those final moments, while the first officer was quiet


so was this a murder-suicide, or was the first officer fatigued or physically unwell


and based on how many safety mechanisms you have at the fuel switches, my guess is the former, rather than the latter, since it is very complicated to access those switches


but the first officer wasn't in a relationship with someone, he was very close to his family, he was very religious (went to church every day) was well trained, highly educated almost became a captain, and its also likely captain sabharwal had been one of his instructors so they respected each other


that is what makes this weird


captain sabharwal though, also no motive for murder-suicide, he was a elite pilot for air india, wanted to retire in two or three months from now to take care of his 92 yr old father full time, whom he visited also every day neighbours had verified, in terms of a life insurance, well no, just your regular insurance policy from air india

[arista]

[yes, but it only could've done deliberately by one of the pilots,
can't have been accidentally either]

How do you know 100% it was not Accidental? Nicky

[Cherie]

[yes, but it only could've done deliberately by one of the pilots,
can't have been accidentally either]

How do you know 100% it was not Accidental? Nicky

Because you can't just turn them off without lifting metal covers to do so, so it would have been a deliberate act, might it have been done before the flight took off though is the question I dont even know if that is possible

[arista]

Because you can't just turn them off without lifting metal covers to do so, so it would have been a deliberate act, might it have been done before the flight took off though is the question I dont even know if that is possible



Yes could have been done

[Nicky91]

Because you can't just turn them off without lifting metal covers to do so, so it would have been a deliberate act, might it have been done before the flight took off though is the question I dont even know if that is possible

the plane took off with the correct amount of thrust needed for takeoff, which is V1


so maybe the captain was distracted with other duties at takeoff, watching altitude, communicating with ATC, since first officer Kunder was the pilot flying and he had his hand at the thrust levers obviously, the fuel switches are below that, and they have safety mechanisms especially in case you touch them when going for maximum engine thrust, so yeah it must've been done deliberately


and we know the captain was confused about the lack of engine thrust from the CVR, and also something was said ''why did you cut off the fuel'' in which a reply was ''i did not do so'' the former likely the captain, the latter likely the first officer, since we no longer hear the first officer after that

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/07/17/12/100394381-0-image-m-12_1752751240944.jpg

[Investigations into the Air India plane crash
are looking into the captain, who remained calm
as the first officer panicked about the fuel
supply to the engines being cut off.

A black-box recording of their conversation
suggests that it was the captain,
Sumeet Sabharwal, who turned off the switches,
according to sources close to the
US side of the probe.

The Wall Street Journal reports that US pilots
who have reviewed the Indian investigation
believe first officer Clive Kunder,
who was flying the aircraft,
would likely have had his hands full trying
to keep the Boeing Dreamliner steady.]



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14914121/Air-India-plane-crash-investigation-focuses-captain-remained-calm-officer-panicked-fuel-supply-cut-moments-disaster.html



Evil Captain

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/07/18/10/100424871-0-image-m-17_1752832711832.jpg


[Air India captain's eerie words to first officer
before they squabbled over fuel switches
'are revealed in black box recording' - and
'could support theory pilot is to blame
for deadly crash']

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14917599/air-india-captain-final-words-disaster.html

[Nicky91]

NTSB withdraw from this investigation please, go through with your statements

if those indian accident investigators know everything better :rolleyes:



there is clear evidence the captain being surprised about the lack of thrust, the last thing we hear before the crash, but if those indians know everything better, bore off

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/07/19/09/100450045-0-image-m-5_1752914221360.jpg

[Air India pilot's final words as he left home
on day of plane crash that killed 260
'after he turned off fuel switches' - as it's revealed he
was struggling following mother's death]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14920657/Air-India-pilot-final-words-plane-crash-mothers-death.html

[Nicky91]

could also be a condition known as microsleep, where you partially aren't conscious, or doesn't know what you're doing, can be fatigue still? since these pilots had to share hotel rooms before flights


and captain sabharwal had a strict sleep routine, if that is disturbed that might explain the lack of concentration


also what if he thought he had his hand at the engine thrust lever, while in reality he had his hand at the fuel switches and he put them to cut off unknowingly


also that mayday call of his, makes you think this wasn't suicide, he was trying to save the plane in its final moments

[Nicky91]

also lots of protest at air india, before this crash


25 crew members got fired either apparently, and this might've also played a factor for their morale, especially a experienced pilot and instructor what sumeet sabharwal was

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-001e65f6-bd22-4637-9b71-c6131697393d.png

[Cherie]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-001e65f6-bd22-4637-9b71-c6131697393d.png

Disgusting mix up, who is responsible for this as if the families are not suffering enough

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/british-families-sent-wrong-remains-after-loved-ones-killed-in-air-india-crash/ar-AA1J7Fu0?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=a97ebbe8730441d0b369c5c1f2f3d6ed&ei=19

[Nicky91]

LBTDT49Tml8

Veteran NTSB investigator Greg Feith on this crash, he is one who isn't sure about the ''murder-suicide'' theory, and he knows what he is talking about, as he was the lead investigator back in the Silk Air murder-suicide crash



i agree with Greg, i mean the CVR clearly had audio of the captain trying to save the aircraft, issuing the mayday call in its final moments, someone who is committing suicide doesn't do that


i believe in my theory of the captain suffered from microsleep and that he touched the wrong controls (fuel switches instead of the thrust levers) with microsleep you have no memory of this afterwards, that might explain him saying ''i didn't do it'' but first officer Kunder asking this multiple times is also a red flag, why ask your superior this repeatedly and why not just put the switches back to run earlier?

[Nicky91]

also Captain Sabharwal might've had some mental health issues going on, but he even told a security guard to watch over his father as he won't be away for too long, he likely meant with that, he would return home after getting flight 171 to London


he was looking forward even to retiring from the airline, to fully take care of his father, and an elite pilot for air india as he was, he likely would've always been welcome as a part time supervisor at some point for young trainee pilots in the simulator training exams


so it isn't like he had a problematic background at the airline, he also had a decent-ish salary (they had to reduce salaries after cost cutting but still his salary was decent enough)



my theory, we know Sumeet Sabharwal had a strict sleep routine before each flight, however more recently the pilots and crew had to share hotel rooms to save up some money, so this might've interrupted his sleep routine, if with someone who goes to bed later than him, and someone who is quite loud, even the tiniest interruption of sleep, might be enough for the microsleep fatigue, especially someone who is all the time been used of proper rest

[Nicky91]

it's really sad how a well respected, experienced captain like Sumeet Sabharwal now is painted within the media as someone evil

not just a elite pilot, but also a mentor for newbie pilots, one might presume first officer Kunder might've also been trained by him


since that is not who he was, he always put the safety of his passengers first, and would a man whose 92 yr old father is ill, really commit this sort of evil act


yes his mother recently had died okay, but that might explain his desire to retire in 2 or 3 months from now, to be more with his father?

[arista]

LBTDT49Tml8

Veteran NTSB investigator Greg Feith on this crash, he is one who isn't sure about the ''murder-suicide'' theory, and he knows what he is talking about, as he was the lead investigator back in the Silk Air murder-suicide crash



i agree with Greg, i mean the CVR clearly had audio of the captain trying to save the aircraft, issuing the mayday call in its final moments, someone who is committing suicide doesn't do that


i believe in my theory of the captain suffered from microsleep and that he touched the wrong controls (fuel switches instead of the thrust levers) with microsleep you have no memory of this afterwards, that might explain him saying ''i didn't do it'' but first officer Kunder asking this multiple times is also a red flag, why ask your superior this repeatedly and why not just put the switches back to run earlier?

Microsleep
or Suicide


Shocking, Nicky

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need to be honest.


Stop keeping the Truth secret

For Bloody Sake