All Babies to have a DNA tests to check of good health

[arista]

[All babies could have their DNA mapped
to test for future illnesses under a plan
unveiled by the government,
it has been reported. Labour is set
to pour £650m into DNA technology
in an effort to treat serious illnesses
before they become a problem.]


[Every newborn baby in the UK will have a
DNA screening as part of an NHS 'revolution'
to battle killer diseases.
The health secretary Wes Streeting said
new technology in areas such as genomics
would help 'leapfrog' illnesses.
The Government is set to pour £650 million
into DNA technology in an effort to
treat serious illnesses before
they become a problem.]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14833539/every-newborn-baby-UK-DNA-screening-NHS-revolution.html

Yes, it makes some sense to do.


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[Livia]

Hmmm... Sounds like something that starts with good intentions then descends into the sinister. Maybe they could tattoo bar codes on them too so we know who's who.

[arista]

Hmmm... Sounds like something that starts with good intentions then descends into the sinister. Maybe they could tattoo bar codes on them too so we know who's who.


Do not give them ideas

[Kate!]

This is a very bad idea. They are going to do treatments for things they might never get? Or give medication unnecessarily? No no no.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I am sure the NHS will be a safe and secure guardian for all the DNA samples

what with their up-to-date software etc

:skull:

[joeysteele]

Need to hear more about it but it seems to make sense and be a worthwhile project.

[Glenn.]

Imagine being more afraid of a genome map than a child dying from a preventable illness. People’s priorities are ****ed.

[Kate!]

Imagine being more afraid of a genome map than a child dying from a preventable illness. People’s priorities are ****ed.

No, just don't see the point in putting a child through unnecessary treatments when it probably won't be needed!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Imagine being more afraid of a genome map than a child dying from a preventable illness. People’s priorities are ****ed.

A few years ago you were quickly made terrified of catching a cold, got largely untested vaccines pumped into you and walked around with a paper muzzle on every time you went out

Id imagine you stood in your street banging a saucepan too

You trusted the science...
:skull:

[Zizu]

Imagine being more afraid of a genome map than a child dying from a preventable illness. People’s priorities are ****ed.


I concur …


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[Glenn.]

A few years ago you were quickly made terrified of catching a cold, got largely untested vaccines pumped into you and walked around with a paper muzzle on every time you went out

Id imagine you stood in your street banging a saucepan too

You trusted the science...
:skull:

Sorry you didn’t like the masks, must’ve been hard gasping for breath between coughing up nonsense on Facebook.

[Glenn.]

No, just don't see the point in putting a child through unnecessary treatments when it probably won't be needed!

Unnecessary treatments? It’s called screening. Nobody’s jumping to give toddlers chemo for fun, calm down.

[Mystic Mock]

Hmmm... Sounds like something that starts with good intentions then descends into the sinister. Maybe they could tattoo bar codes on them too so we know who's who.

We're getting more and more Dystopian.

So it wouldn't surprise me.

[Kate!]

Unnecessary treatments? It’s called screening. Nobody’s jumping to give toddlers chemo for fun, calm down.

Oh look! You clearly saw that post. So I was right about you spouting garbage about not seeing anything I wrote.

Back on topic...why put them through screening then even when it's only a what if? Or putting them on medication as a preventative when they might never need it, eg if heart disease is in their DNA.

I don't agree with it. And don't tell me in a patronising fashion to calm down. Watch how you speak to people, it's damm rude. I was perfectly calm and reasoned in my post. You calm down instead.

[Glenn.]

Oh look! You clearly saw that post. So I was right about you spouting garbage about not seeing anything I wrote.

Back on topic...why put them through screening then even when it's only a what if? Or putting them on medication as a preventative when they might never need it, eg if heart disease is in their DNA.

I don't agree with it. And don't tell me in a patronising fashion to calm down. Watch how you speak to people, it's damm rude. I was perfectly calm and reasoned in my post. You calm down instead.

I can still see ignored posts when I want to, and I decide if or when I bother responding. It’s called being in control, you should try it sometime.

And screening? It’s about knowing, not forcing treatments. Information doesn’t ‘traumatise’ a child, but ignorance sure can. Not that I expect you to comprehend the difference.

Anyway, you stay ‘calm and reasoned’ over there. The rest of us will stick with common sense and leave the pearl‑clutching to you.

[arista]

We're getting more and more Dystopian.

So it wouldn't surprise me.

No, this makes sense
As the Technology finds out the truth,

[Mystic Mock]

No, this makes sense
As the Technology finds out the truth,

This is fine imo.

I was talking about Livia's hypothetical future where babies have trackers implanted into them from birth, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if society went down that path.

[arista]

This is fine imo.

I was talking about Livia's hypothetical future where babies have trackers implanted into them from birth, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if society went down that path.

For sure
down the road
anything can change

[BBXX]

I am personally 50/50 on this. On a very surface level, it seems like a good thing:

It's important to consider that they will only be looking for conditions that:
- are reliably detectable,
- would impact quality of life if left undetected,
- have proven improved outcome when intervention has been put in place before symptoms show
- have treatment available.

However this isn't perfect - on a totally basic level, this could effect things like travel insurance from birth, even if the symptoms aren;'t showing and could not effect someone for decades to come. There is also the very real threat of data-selling, potentially. It would need to have an incredibly tight security around it.

Having said all that, I would be lying if I said I trusted any Government at all, and particularly with health issues.

There was something extremely weird about the way in which governments manufactured and manipulated the fear and control during covid pandemic which will forever make me look at them suspiciously.

[bots]

am i the only one that is alarmed that this is announced at the same time as assisted dying passes in the commons?

[bots]

i can see a future where today's children are forced to accept treatment or they will lose future benefits, and that is just one thought. With the advances in AI, future generations are going to be targeted based on their genetics in all sorts of ways. Take it to its logical end point and it is like nazi's generating the super race.

Can people really sit here and say they trust the government and corporations and the wealthy to look after the publics interests

[Ammi]

…it feels very much like a ‘Big Brother’ type thing and it would be lovely to think that it’s all for good reasons and for the good of the people etc…but recent governments sadly have a leaning to act in their own interest/…not the interest of the people…more and more their actions are feeling like ‘control’ rather than care…it should feel quite positive bu it doesn’t for me, it feels quite scary…

[arista]

"it feels quite scary…"


Of course Ammi
it has the power of life or death.

[Ammi]

"it feels quite scary…"


Of course Ammi
it has the power of life or death.

….handed over to our government who would struggle with the power of ordering a Saturday evening take-away…

[Kate!]

I can still see ignored posts when I want to, and I decide if or when I bother responding. It’s called being in control, you should try it sometime.

And screening? It’s about knowing, not forcing treatments. Information doesn’t ‘traumatise’ a child, but ignorance sure can. Not that I expect you to comprehend the difference.

Anyway, you stay ‘calm and reasoned’ over there. The rest of us will stick with common sense and leave the pearl‑clutching to you.

This is fine imo.

I was talking about Livia's hypothetical future where babies have trackers implanted into them from birth, it honestly wouldn't surprise me if society went down that path.

I am personally 50/50 on this. On a very surface level, it seems like a good thing:

It's important to consider that they will only be looking for conditions that:
- are reliably detectable,
- would impact quality of life if left undetected,
- have proven improved outcome when intervention has been put in place before symptoms show
- have treatment available.

However this isn't perfect - on a totally basic level, this could effect things like travel insurance from birth, even if the symptoms aren;'t showing and could not effect someone for decades to come. There is also the very real threat of data-selling, potentially. It would need to have an incredibly tight security around it.

Having said all that, I would be lying if I said I trusted any Government at all, and particularly with health issues.

There was something extremely weird about the way in which governments manufactured and manipulated the fear and control during covid pandemic which will forever make me look at them suspiciously.

am i the only one that is alarmed that this is announced at the same time as assisted dying passes in the commons?

i can see a future where today's children are forced to accept treatment or they will lose future benefits, and that is just one thought. With the advances in AI, future generations are going to be targeted based on their genetics in all sorts of ways. Take it to its logical end point and it is like nazi's generating the super race.

Can people really sit here and say they trust the government and corporations and the wealthy to look after the publics interests

…it feels very much like a ‘Big Brother’ type thing and it would be lovely to think that it’s all for good reasons and for the good of the people etc…but recent governments sadly have a leaning to act in their own interest/…not the interest of the people…more and more their actions are feeling like ‘control’ rather than care…it should feel quite positive bu it doesn’t for me, it feels quite scary…

"it feels quite scary…"


Of course Ammi
it has the power of life or death.

Far from me pearl clutching while everyone sides with you as you seem to think is the case, I'm actually the one talking commone sense and as you can see people are agreeing with me. Not you.

[arista]

….handed over to our government who would struggle with the power of ordering a Saturday evening take-away…


Sure
Labour are Legit
they won this last general election.


In 4 years, it could be PM Farage

[Glenn.]

Far from me pearl clutching while everyone sides with you as you seem to think is the case, I'm actually the one talking commone sense and as you can see people are agreeing with me. Not you.

It’s telling that you’re more obsessed with collecting ‘likes’ from the forum than actually understanding the issue. We’re talking about screening…information…not forcing treatments

[Kate!]

It’s telling that you’re more obsessed with collecting ‘likes’ from the forum than actually understanding the issue. We’re talking about screening…information…not forcing treatments

Who says I am? You? Please yourself. Nobody else thinks that so I'm not arsed. And treatments would be forced as I myself have been made to take statins against my wishes because I have heart disease history in the family.

[Glenn.]

Who says I am? You? Please yourself. Nobody else thinks that so I'm not arsed. And treatments would be forced as I myself have been made to take statins against my wishes because I have heart disease history in the family.

That’s exactly the point.. your experience doesn’t automatically apply to everyone else, and screening doesn’t ‘force’ treatments. It gives people information. What they do with it is a choice, not an obligation.

If you felt pushed into statins, that’s a conversation between you and your doctor. But making it sound like screening = forcing meds for every child is misleading at best

[Kate!]

That’s exactly the point.. your experience doesn’t automatically apply to everyone else, and screening doesn’t ‘force’ treatments. It gives people information. What they do with it is a choice, not an obligation.

If you felt pushed into statins, that’s a conversation between you and your doctor. But making it sound like screening = forcing meds for every child is misleading at best

As usual...its me in particular you take issue with in any thread, you never disagree with others who have similar concerns as several have voiced in here. You respond out of personal dislike and to put me down. You can't help yourself. I won't respond to you any further in this thread I'm having a day out at a train gala. :wavey:

[Livia]

How long before the police have access to this data? Then, like magic, every crime could be solved immediately.

Couldn't happen though, could it. Of course not.....

[Kate!]

How long before the police have access to this data? Then, like magic, every crime could be solved immediately.

Couldn't happen though, could it. Of course not.....

Yet another viable concern. Well said.

[Glenn.]

As usual...its me in particular you take issue with in any thread, you never disagree with others who have similar concerns as several have voiced in here. You respond out of personal dislike and to put me down. You can't help yourself. I won't respond to you any further in this thread I'm having a day out at a train gala. :wavey:

I’m the only one you’ve replied to in the thread.

Of course it’s ‘personal’ when you’re called out, it’s always about you, isn’t it? The moment you run out of actual arguments, it’s ‘you’re picking on me‘ bore off.

[arista]

How long before the police have access to this data? Then, like magic, every crime could be solved immediately.

Couldn't happen though, could it. Of course not.....

Police are not needing the data

Do not upset this fella anymore


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[Livia]

Police are not needing the data

Do not upset this fellaa anymore

They don't need it [I]now.[I] but how long before someone says hey guys, I've got a great idea...

[Mystic Mock]

i can see a future where today's children are forced to accept treatment or they will lose future benefits, and that is just one thought. With the advances in AI, future generations are going to be targeted based on their genetics in all sorts of ways. Take it to its logical end point and it is like nazi's generating the super race.

Can people really sit here and say they trust the government and corporations and the wealthy to look after the publics interests

My answer is no.

[Livia]

i can see a future where today's children are forced to accept treatment or they will lose future benefits, and that is just one thought. With the advances in AI, future generations are going to be targeted based on their genetics in all sorts of ways. Take it to its logical end point and it is like nazi's generating the super race.

Can people really sit here and say they trust the government and corporations and the wealthy to look after the publics interests

I'm with Mystic Mock. I'm afraid it's a no from me...

[AnnieK]

Would these be mandatory samples taken or would it be a choice for the parents?

[Kate!]

Would these be mandatory samples taken or would it be a choice for the parents?

I think mandatory Annie. I'm very against it.

[Glenn.]

Would these be mandatory samples taken or would it be a choice for the parents?

Right now every baby gets the heel‑prick test (9 serious conditions like sickle cell and cystic fibrosis). It’s been around forever, and it’s highly recommended, but it’s NOT mandatory. You can say no if you want.

The new DNA genome screening (testing for 200+ rare conditions) is still in trials. It’s optional, you have to give permission, and it’s NOT replacing the heel‑prick. It won’t be forced on anyone, now or in the future.

[Vicky.]

I hated the heel prick thing..felt guilty for causing them pain

[Glenn.]

Necessary though right?

[Vicky.]

Oh yea I wouldn't have declined it, it's important.

[bots]

Right now every baby gets the heel‑prick test (9 serious conditions like sickle cell and cystic fibrosis). It’s been around forever, and it’s highly recommended, but it’s NOT mandatory. You can say no if you want.

The new DNA genome screening (testing for 200+ rare conditions) is still in trials. It’s optional, you have to give permission, and it’s NOT replacing the heel‑prick. It won’t be forced on anyone, now or in the future.

are you usually accepting of everything you hear from the government, or do you just find them absolutely trustworthy on this?

[AnnieK]

I thought it was optional....i couldn't remember if I had to give consent for the heel orick when my son was born, it's been a long time.

I think I'd still consent, forwarded is forarmed and all that

[Livia]

And we all trust that our children's stored dna information will be kept safe or destroyed and never used for anything aside from its original use? We all have confidence in the NHS and whichever government is in charge? Because I'm not sure and would need to know a lot more about it.

[Liam-]

Jesus Christ, this forum is becoming more like a conspiracy theorist website by the day, how an announcement that babies will be screened for any future medical issues they could find evidence of, to help streamline any future treatment, has descended into utter madness about forcing people to do treatments they don’t want or need or to have tracking chips implanted, genuinely reads like insanity :unsure:

[bots]

People should ask questions any time data is collected on them or their family. It will be used against them in the end

[Glenn.]

are you usually accepting of everything you hear from the government, or do you just find them absolutely trustworthy on this?

I wouldn’t say I blindly trust the government on everything, far from it. But when it comes to this, I just think it’s worth looking at what’s best for the baby. We’re talking about spotting serious or rare conditions early, things that could be treated or managed if you knew about them from the start.

It’s not about accepting every word from the government, it’s about making sure we don’t lose a child to something we could have caught much, much earlier. In this case, that just feels like the safer, smarter option.

[Kate!]

People should ask questions any time data is collected on them or their family. It will be used against them in the end

Absolutely.

[Glenn.]

People should ask questions any time data is collected on them or their family. It will be used against them in the end

They have that opportunity with everything. Terms and conditions…

[Kate!]

Yeah and the Government have the option to LIE.

[Glenn.]

You signed terms and conditions to post here. It’s laid out there how your data is used I think. This isn’t a brand new concept.

Parents have the opportunity to opt out contrary to what others have said. Can’t see the issue unless it’s your own baby.

[bots]

All it takes is 1 department within the nhs to sub contract out to the private sector and the data is shared. All it takes is a hack, it has happened before.

I completely understand the argument that it can improve childrens health, but there are a multitude of conditions and safeguards that need to also be applied

[Livia]

All it takes is 1 department within the nhs to sub contract out to the private sector and the data is shared. All it takes is a hack, it has happened before.

I completely understand the argument that it can improve childrens health, but there are a multitude of conditions and safeguards that need to also be applied

Common sense, and on another day, everyone in the thread would agree with this. But it must be contrary Sunday.

[Mystic Mock]

People should ask questions any time data is collected on them or their family. It will be used against them in the end

I personally agree with you.

It's good to have a degree of paranoia whenever our leaders want to do anything.