Do you use food deliveries? Will you boycott if they employ illegal migrants?

[Kate!]

Will you?

[arista]

Yes if using illegal migrants

I will not use them

[Kate!]

Yes if using illegal migrants

I will not use them

Well done Arista :love:

[Kate!]

I'll change my title to illegal

[Crimson Dynamo]

Yes i am boycotting

[arista]

I'll change my title to illegal


Yes this is the Problem


They are illegal migrants
arriving by an illegal small boat from France.

[Niamh.]

I very rarely get food delivered, we usually collect take-away orders as we usually order take away when we're on the way home from somewhere and it's late and we're tired. There's only 2 places that will deliver to us anyway. Not sure how I would know whether the person delivering was legal or illegal but I can't say it would factor into my decision of whether to order or not :shrug:

[Liam-]

No because I’m not weird and everyone deserves to make a living

[Kate!]

No because I’m not weird and everyone deserves to make a living

It's not weird to have principles and let them make a living where they came from instead of taking jobs and paying zero tax and getting given everything for free. Stinks!

[bots]

how would you know who is illegal?

[Niamh.]

how would you know who is illegal?

exactly

[Kate!]

how would you know who is illegal?

No people are missing the point. You're boycotting the companies who have the policy of employing illegal migrants NOT the individual delivering. It's wrong of them and they know they can pay the illegal migrants less because they are milking it in lots of other ways!

[Liam-]

It's not weird to have principles and let them make a living where they came from instead of taking jobs and paying zero tax and getting given everything for free. Stinks!

So do they steal jobs or do they get everything for free? You can’t have it both way, if they’re here and working that means theyre earning a living and not being dependent, that should make people like you happy shouldn’t it?

[Kate!]

So do they steal jobs or do they get everything for free? You can’t have it both way, if they’re here and working that means theyre earning a living and not being dependent, that should make people like you happy shouldn’t it?

Erm what?? Yes they DO both? Read this. They are flouting the law!


Initial Restriction:
Individuals who arrive in the UK via small boat crossings and claim asylum are not allowed to work while their asylum claim is being processed, which can take over a year.
Limited Permission to Work:
After a year, if their asylum claim is still pending, they may be granted permission to work in certain sectors where there are recognized labor shortages.
Designated Sectors:
The Home Office has specified certain sectors, such as care, construction, and agriculture, where migrants may be permitted to work.
Payment and Support:
If they are granted permission to work, they will be paid a reduced rate (80% of the going rate) and may be required to contribute to their accommodation costs.
Asylum Support:
While waiting for their claims to be processed, asylum seekers receive a weekly allowance and basic accommodation, and they may be required to contribute to the cost of this accommodation if they are working.
Not Automatic:
It's important to note that even after the initial year, permission to work is not guaranteed. It depends on the individual's circumstances and the specific rules and regulations in place at the time.

[Kate!]

AND don't refer to me as "people like you".

[arista]

[Individuals who arrive in the UK via small boat crossings
and claim asylum are not allowed to work while
their asylum claim is being processed,
which can take over a year.]


Yes, it is the Law of Land

[bots]

No people are missing the point. You're boycotting the companies who have the policy of employing illegal migrants NOT the individual delivering. It's wrong of them and they know they can pay the illegal migrants less because they are milking it in lots of other ways!

if you boycot a company employing illegals, you are also boycotting people who are legally doing the work for the same company. I repeat, how would you know who is illegal. There may be 1 illegal to 1000 legitimate workers

[Crimson Dynamo]

if you boycot a company employing illegals, you are also boycotting people who are legally doing the work for the same company. I repeat, how would you know who is illegal. There may be 1 illegal to 1000 legitimate workers

Well it wont be too hard for the big three to come out and assure the Great British Public that they can confirm that they don't use any illegal migrant labour and then we will all know

:hee:

[Kate!]

if you boycot a company employing illegals, you are also boycotting people who are legally doing the work for the same company. I repeat, how would you know who is illegal. There may be 1 illegal to 1000 legitimate workers

There isn't.

What Crimson said!

[Vanessa]

Not anymore. I have a supermarket opposite the house now

[arista]

Posting again
As it is related to this thread

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/68bb/live/43b740f0-55ff-11f0-b5c5-012c5796682d.jpg.webp

[arista]

Not anymore. I have a supermarket opposite the house now

Real Nice

Fresh Veg


Nice

[Kate!]

"Home Secretary Yvette Cooper commended the Sun's Campaign to shine a spotlight on this!!"

Don't make me bloody laugh Cooper. You were pictured welcoming illegal migrants with signposts!

[MTVN]

It is a big problem with Just Eat and Uber Eats tbf - people sell their accounts to people who aren't allowed to be doing the job and take a cut of their income. The delivery guys fly around on e-bikes which are also usually illegal and really dangerous to other road users. They're also normally wearing face coverings because obviously their delivery account isn't actually under their own name

It's exploitative to the people involved who often won't be making minimum wage. I wouldn't order through these third parties anyway tbh because they take a massive cut from the restaurants. I'd place my order directly with them and normally collect it myself

[Crimson Dynamo]

'E-bike crash ruined my life - rules need to change'

Chef Aldo Zilli, left, and his wife Nicola, right, are calling for tighter e-bike regulations after
Nikki's mother Maureen, centre, was seriously injured while crossing the road

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c70nl7np0v9o

[thesheriff443]

I don’t use delivery services

[Niamh.]

It is a big problem with Just Eat and Uber Eats tbf - people sell their accounts to people who aren't allowed to be doing the job and take a cut of their income. The delivery guys fly around on e-bikes which are also usually illegal and really dangerous to other road users. They're also normally wearing face coverings because obviously their delivery account isn't actually under their own name

It's exploitative to the people involved who often won't be making minimum wage. I wouldn't order through these third parties anyway tbh because they take a massive cut from the restaurants. I'd place my order directly with them and normally collect it myself

Yeah I've never ordered from any of those delivery services, well I've ordered through Just eat but for pick up but I stopped doing that because I realised how much of a cut they take from the restaurant

[Cherie]

No because I’m not weird and everyone deserves to make a living

:joker: no tax paid for your bennies though

[Cherie]

We hardly ever order takeaway now, as UK is just rip off, if we do order we collect it ourselves as its cheaper and quicker and the foods hot, not gone round the houses 10 times

[bots]

ive never used any of these just eat etc delivery services, but aren't the people self employed? If someone legal registers their own name just eat and then sub contracts out to an illegal or 2, how will just eat know?

[Beso]

ive never used any of these just eat etc delivery services, but aren't the people self employed? If someone legal registers their own name just eat and then sub contracts out to an illegal or 2, how will just eat know?

It's all done with photo id and face recognition software on the app.

[Benjamin]

We hardly ever order takeaway now, as UK is just rip off, if we do order we collect it ourselves as its cheaper and quicker and the foods hot, not gone round the houses 10 times

Same. So disappointing when you’re excited for a T Way and it arrives cold. :mad:

[Redway]

Yes i am boycotting

Let’s face it, you’d boycott them even if they were legal.

[Mystic Mock]

I don't really boycott very easily.

[Mystic Mock]

No because I’m not weird and everyone deserves to make a living

Unless Ian Watkins from Lostprophets gets released from Prison imo.

Otherwise I can see your point tbf.

[Mystic Mock]

Same. So disappointing when you’re excited for a T Way and it arrives cold. :mad:

Or items stole-I mean "forgotten" about in the order.

[Glenn.]

I really couldn’t care less who’s delivering my food. If you want to throw a tantrum and boycott over someone’s immigration status, be my guest. Just don’t pretend you’re some principled crusader when all you’re actually doing is hurting the paychecks of countless other workers trying to scrape by. Enjoy your moral high horse while the rest of us eat dinner

[Glenn.]

In fact the more I think of it, I’ve never had my food delivered by an English speaking person.
British people seem to think work like that is beneath them, until it’s time to whinge about “foreigners taking all the jobs” they’d never dream of doing themselves.

[Crimson Dynamo]

In fact the more I think of it, I’ve never had my food delivered by an English speaking person.
British people seem to think work like that is beneath them, until it’s time to whinge about “foreigners taking all the jobs” they’d never dream of doing themselves.

"British people seem to think work like that is beneath them"

so just because every delivery driver is "foreign"

you decided that was the reason

wow!

[Glenn.]

It’s called an observation, not a manifesto. If you’ve got a more convincing explanation for why so many Brits refuse to do these jobs, by all means, enlighten us.

[rusticgal]

The reason these illegal immigrants are hired is because they are paid peanuts and if they are illegal they will get cash in hand to most likely top up the benefits they are getting...:shrug:

[Kate!]

No they are working officially and not getting taxed yet the law says they can't do so.

[Kate!]

My point is they are getting paid, getting away without paying any taxes, which any other employee has to pay and getting just about everything else under the sun given to them free.

They get the transportation paid for as well. And I sincerely doubt they need to do 12 hour shifts though I grant you our own workforce probably do. Nevertheless boycotting makes sense, it's not fair or just. It's the employers fault and the Governments.

[Glenn.]

So basically, you’re angry that desperate people with no legal right to work are being exploited for crap wages under the table, but also convinced they’re somehow living in luxury with “everything under the sun” handed to them. Which is it—are they destitute and desperate or living it up on your dime? Because you can’t have it both ways.

Sound like you’re more upset about the migrants than the actual company exploiting them.

[Kate!]

So basically, you’re angry that desperate people with no legal right to work are being exploited for crap wages under the table, but also convinced they’re somehow living in luxury with “everything under the sun” handed to them. Which is it—are they destitute and desperate or living it up on your dime? Because you can’t have it both ways.

Sound like you’re more upset about the migrants than the actual company exploiting them.

Nope you're wrong. They aren't working for crap wages. I never said they were? I only said they'd work for less as they get topped up. I'm annoyed about both, and yes I can have it as my opinion. They are taking the piss, the companies are taking the piss and so is our Government.

Do you actually think it's right all these men coming here and getting to live in hotels, etc etc etc.

[Cherie]

Nope you're wrong. They aren't working for crap wages. I never said they were? I only said they'd work for less as they get topped up. I'm annoyed about both, and yes I can have it as my opinion. They are taking the piss, the companies are taking the piss and so is our Government.

Do you actually think it's right all these men coming here and getting to live in hotels, etc etc etc.

Apparently it is fine and dandy for employers to break the law because they are migrants, that is what I am reading, maybe I will stop paying my taxes, see how I fare with that one

[Glenn.]

Nope you're wrong. They aren't working for crap wages. I never said they were? I only said they'd work for less as they get topped up. I'm annoyed about both, and yes I can have it as my opinion. They are taking the piss, the companies are taking the piss and so is our Government.

Do you actually think it's right all these men coming here and getting to live in hotels, etc etc etc.

You’re free to have whatever opinion you like, but let’s be honest—it’s still pretty contradictory. You’re annoyed they’re supposedly getting everything for free and working for less money, which kind of proves they’re not exactly living some five-star dream. And no, I don’t think putting people in budget hotels and giving them £9 a day counts as a life of luxury. If you’re angry, be angry at the system that keeps people stuck in limbo for years, not just the people trying to survive it.

[rusticgal]

Seems to me that some people think its ok to break the law if you are desperate...:smug:

[Glenn.]

Seems to me that some people think its ok to break the law if you are desperate...:smug:

Seems to me some people think it’s perfectly fine to rant about “law and order” when it suits them but have zero interest in the reasons people end up desperate in the first place. Funny how breaking the law is only outrageous when it’s poor migrants doing it, but everyone else gets a shrug and an excuse.

[Kate!]

Poor migrants my arse. They are a damm sight better off than you acknowledge.

[Glenn.]

Poor migrants my arse. They are a damm sight better off than you acknowledge.

You keep saying they’re “better off” and getting everything for free, but the facts don’t back that up. Most asylum seekers are banned from working legally, living in overcrowded hotels or hostels with mould and bedbugs, and surviving on about £7 a day if they’re lucky. That’s not some lavish setup—it’s deliberately grim to deter people from coming here.

And let’s be honest: if you or I were stuck in that situation, we’d be doing whatever we could to survive too. Blaming people who’ve got nothing and no way to earn is a lot easier than admitting the system is broken on purpose.

[Kate!]

There's no supposedly about it either, they are getting given stuff for free, paying no tax either. Despite the fact that the law clearly states as I posted earlier in the thread that they aren't allowed to work for 12 months and even then have to meet certain conditions and can only work in certain sectors. Fast food delivery is not one of them.

[Beso]

Poor migrants my arse. They are a damm sight better off than you acknowledge.

Very true.

[Glenn.]

There's no supposedly about it either, they are getting given stuff for free, paying no tax either. Despite the fact that the law clearly states as I posted earlier in the thread that they aren't allowed to work for 12 months and even then have to meet certain conditions and can only work in certain sectors. Fast food delivery is not one of them.


How much tax do you pay? You are very vocal about this and I’m not sure you can really say much about it.

[Glenn.]

And in no way is that an insult. Just seems extremely hypocritical to me

[Cherie]

You keep saying they’re “better off” and getting everything for free, but the facts don’t back that up. Most asylum seekers are banned from working legally, living in overcrowded hotels or hostels with mould and bedbugs, and surviving on about £7 a day if they’re lucky. That’s not some lavish setup—it’s deliberately grim to deter people from coming here.

And let’s be honest: if you or I were stuck in that situation, we’d be doing whatever we could to survive too. Blaming people who’ve got nothing and no way to earn is a lot easier than admitting the system is broken on purpose.

7.00 a day is more than alot of people have, for instance families who use food banks, they are fed, have a roof over their head, have heating, have free dental and medical, and free travel, personally I think they should be allowed to work while they are waiting for their claims to be assessed, but they should be working legally and paying any relevant taxes like everyone else, as it stands due to the governments inertia they are stuck in a processing backlog, and are working illegally so you have to ask yourself is the government happy with this as they are doing their rich mates a favour by giving them cheap labour, just like they are doing their rich mates a favour by filling their hotels which would otherwise be partially empty....try thinking outside the box for a change and not be as accepting of what the government is trying to force us to accept as normal...you seem very hung up on migrants, you have no interest it seems in disabled citizens of the UK being sent into poverty

[Kate!]

And in no way is that an insult. Just seems extremely hypocritical to me

How? I don't pay tax as you full well know. Irrelevant. I can protest on behalf of people who do, are you saying I can't? Why? What is hypocritical about it?

Never said you were being insulting either. Don't jump before you're bitten.

[Kate!]

7.00 a day is more than alot of people have, for instance families who use food banks, they are fed, have a roof over their head, have heating, have free dental and medical, and free travel, personally I think they should be allowed to work while they are waiting for their claims to be assessed, but they should be working legally and paying any relevant taxes like everyone else, as it stands due to the governments inertia they are stuck in a processing backlog, and are working illegally so you have to ask yourself is the government happy with this as they are doing their rich mates a favour by giving them cheap labour, just like they are doing their rich mates a favour by filling their hotels which would otherwise be partially empty....try thinking outside the box for a change and not be as accepting of what the government is trying to force us to accept as normal...you seem very hung up on migrants, you have no interest it seems in disabled citizens of the UK being sent into poverty

Utterly excellent post.

[Beso]

You keep saying they’re “better off” and getting everything for free, but the facts don’t back that up. Most asylum seekers are banned from working legally, living in overcrowded hotels or hostels with mould and bedbugs, and surviving on about £7 a day if they’re lucky. That’s not some lavish setup—it’s deliberately grim to deter people from coming here.

And let’s be honest: if you or I were stuck in that situation, we’d be doing whatever we could to survive too. Blaming people who’ve got nothing and no way to earn is a lot easier than admitting the system is broken on purpose.




What world do you live in. Bed bug ridden hotels, mould...what nonsense.

They have gyms, access to nhs with no waiting times, on call dentists. Licence free tv's, kids clubs, free security, and No fear of eviction if the bill is ain't paid.

They live in 4 star hotels up and down the country, and if they get full they get moved into free housing accommodation whilst vulnerable teenage girls sleep on the streets amongst the drink and drug adddled lost causes.

You are so out of touch and deliberately ignorant on these matters.

[Glenn.]

7.00 a day is more than alot of people have, for instance families who use food banks, they are fed, have a roof over their head, have heating, have free dental and medical, and free travel, personally I think they should be allowed to work while they are waiting for their claims to be assessed, but they should be working legally and paying any relevant taxes like everyone else, as it stands due to the governments inertia they are stuck in a processing backlog, and are working illegally so you have to ask yourself is the government happy with this as they are doing their rich mates a favour by giving them cheap labour, just like they are doing their rich mates a favour by filling their hotels which would otherwise be partially empty....try thinking outside the box for a change and not be as accepting of what the government is trying to force us to accept as normal...you seem very hung up on migrants, you have no interest it seems in disabled citizens of the UK being sent into poverty

You’re assuming I don’t care about disabled people in poverty just because I’m talking about migrants in this thread. That’s a bit of a reach. It’s perfectly possible to think both situations are appalling without pitting them against each other like some misery Olympics.

And yes, I actually agree with you that people should be allowed to work legally while they wait. It would mean they could support themselves, pay tax, and avoid being exploited. But pretending £7 a day in grim, overcrowded hotels is a decent standard of living because some people in this country are also struggling is exactly the kind of divide-and-conquer thinking that lets the government off the hook for all of it.

So maybe take your own advice about thinking outside the box—this isn’t about picking which group to have empathy for. It’s about asking why so many people, British or not, are being forced into poverty in the first place.

[Glenn.]

How? I don't pay tax as you full well know. Irrelevant. I can protest on behalf of people who do, are you saying I can't? Why? What is hypocritical about it?

Never said you were being insulting either. Don't jump before you're bitten.

You can protest all you like—no one said you can’t. But you have to admit it’s a bit rich to lecture everyone about who’s paying tax and funding the system when you openly don’t contribute yourself. That’s where the hypocrisy comes in.

And for the record, I’m not “jumping before I’m bitten”—I’m just pointing out the contradiction. If you’re going to take the moral high ground about taxpayers, maybe stand on something a bit more solid.

[Kate!]

What world do you live in. Bed bug ridden hotels, mould...what nonsense.

They have gyms, access to nhs with no waiting times, on call dentists. Licence free tv's, kids clubs, free security, and No fear of eviction if the bill is ain't paid.

They live in 4 star hotels up and down the country, and if they get full they get moved into free housing accommodation whilst vulnerable teenage girls sleep on the streets amongst the drink and drug adddled lost causes.

You are so out of touch and deliberately ignorant on these matters.

Correct.

[Kate!]

You can protest all you like—no one said you can’t. But you have to admit it’s a bit rich to lecture everyone about who’s paying tax and funding the system when you openly don’t contribute yourself. That’s where the hypocrisy comes in.

And for the record, I’m not “jumping before I’m bitten”—I’m just pointing out the contradiction. If you’re going to take the moral high ground about taxpayers, maybe stand on something a bit more solid.

The things I've said are facts, it's you who is in cloud cuckoo land. What Beso said is spot on.

[Glenn.]

What world do you live in. Bed bug ridden hotels, mould...what nonsense.

They have gyms, access to nhs with no waiting times, on call dentists. Licence free tv's, kids clubs, free security, and No fear of eviction if the bill is ain't paid.

They live in 4 star hotels up and down the country, and if they get full they get moved into free housing accommodation whilst vulnerable teenage girls sleep on the streets amongst the drink and drug adddled lost causes.

You are so out of touch and deliberately ignorant on these matters.

Honestly, you’ve swallowed every tabloid headline going. If you think most asylum seekers are living in 4-star hotels with gyms and concierge service, you need to look at actual reports rather than clickbait.

The Home Office’s own inspections have found damp, mould, bed bugs, overcrowding, and serious safeguarding failures. That’s not “nonsense”—it’s in government documents, and plenty of charities and journalists have documented it repeatedly.

Yes, some hotels are used as emergency accommodation, but they’re often run-down budget chains, not spas. And let’s not pretend the NHS rolls out red carpets—people in the asylum system face the same waiting times and barriers as everyone else.

You can call me out of touch all you like, but you’re the one parroting fantasy lists about “on-call dentists” and “licence-free TVs” while ignoring the evidence. If you care about rough sleepers—and I do too—maybe direct some of that outrage at the politicians who choose to underfund services for everyone, instead of blaming desperate people who had no say in where they were sent.

[Kate!]

AND I worked most of my actual life FYI. Its only after my mum died and I became ill that I could no longer work. So I've more than paid into the system thank you.

[Kate!]

Migrants ... illegal migrants... are NOT desperate.

[Glenn.]

Migrants ... illegal migrants... are NOT desperate.

It’s honestly staggering how simplistic that take is. You really think people gamble everything and cross oceans in dinghies just for fun? That’s not just denial—it’s a complete failure to apply even basic critical thought.

[Crimson Dynamo]

DJE Media (Dan) Was auditing the Derby Migrant hotel

He found this on the floor outside the hotel
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GunowzPXYAE8Lxq?format=jpg&name=small
https://x.com/DJEMEDIA_/status/1939337136605646850

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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/35639479/channel-migrants-eye-tests-wigs-nhs/?utm_source=sharebar_app&utm_medium=sharebar_app&utm_campaign=sharebar_app_article

[Kate!]

It’s honestly staggering how simplistic that take is. You really think people gamble everything and cross oceans in dinghies just for fun? That’s not just denial—it’s a complete failure to apply even basic critical thought.

No, they come to milk the system dry.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Housing:
Asylum seekers may be provided with accommodation, which could be in a house, flat, hostel, or bed and breakfast.
Financial Support:
They may receive a weekly allowance to help with living expenses, including food, toiletries, clothes, and travel.
Healthcare:
Asylum seekers are entitled to free healthcare through the National Health Service (NHS), including access to doctors, hospitals, and potentially free prescriptions and dental care.
Education:
Children of asylum seekers are eligible for free state education, including access to free school meals.
Other Support:
In some cases, asylum seekers may be eligible for discretionary schemes run by local authorities or charities, such as free or discounted travel on public transport.

[Glenn.]

:joker: :joker:

Just randomly found an NHS letter. Convincing. Really convincing

[Kate!]

:joker: :joker:

Just randomly found an NHS letter. Convincing. Really convincing

Well it looks dammed official. Are you suggesting somebody typed it up on NHS letterhead.

[Glenn.]

No, they come to milk the system dry.

Here's a more detailed breakdown:
Housing:
Asylum seekers may be provided with accommodation, which could be in a house, flat, hostel, or bed and breakfast.
Financial Support:
They may receive a weekly allowance to help with living expenses, including food, toiletries, clothes, and travel.
Healthcare:
Asylum seekers are entitled to free healthcare through the National Health Service (NHS), including access to doctors, hospitals, and potentially free prescriptions and dental care.
Education:
Children of asylum seekers are eligible for free state education, including access to free school meals.
Other Support:
In some cases, asylum seekers may be eligible for discretionary schemes run by local authorities or charities, such as free or discounted travel on public transport.

You do realise you’ve just listed the absolute basics any civilised country provides to stop people starving in the street, right? A mouldy room, a few quid a week, and a doctor’s appointment if you’re lucky isn’t exactly “milking the system dry.”

If you honestly think that’s some irresistible jackpot, it says more about how little you’ve bothered to understand than it does about them.

[Glenn.]

Well it looks dammed official. Are you suggesting somebody typed it up on NHS letterhead.

You realise how easy that would be easy to do right?

[Kate!]

You do realise you’ve just listed the absolute basics any civilised country provides to stop people starving in the street, right? A mouldy room, a few quid a week, and a doctor’s appointment if you’re lucky isn’t exactly “milking the system dry.”

If you honestly think that’s some irresistible jackpot, it says more about how little you’ve bothered to understand than it does about them.

ON TOP they get everything going, it's well publicised. They come here cos they know its a cushy number. Hypocritical is Yvette Cooper who welcomed them all with open arms yet recently praised the Sun for highlighting the disgraceful situation and the aforementioned milking the system.

[Kate!]

You realise how easy that would be easy to do right?

But why would they? Your words hold no water. What would it achieve. That letter even has a bar code

[Glenn.]

ON TOP they get everything going, it's well publicised. They come here cos they know its a cushy number. Hypocritical is Yvette Cooper who welcomed them all with open arms yet recently praised the Sun for highlighting the disgraceful situation and the aforementioned milking the system.

But why would they? Your words hold no water. What would it achieve.

“Well publicised” usually just means the tabloids cherry-picking the most extreme examples to sell papers. Most people don’t risk their lives crossing continents because they think a damp hotel room and £7 a day is a “cushy number.”

And if you think citing Yvette Cooper somehow proves the whole system is luxury, you might want to look a bit deeper than headline soundbites. The reality is still the same: grim accommodation, poverty-level support, and endless limbo. No amount of spin changes that.

And people who audit do so for their target audience and judging by what gets posted on here, the niche is far right racists. I could think of a lot of reasons why someone who needed some likes would create a fake letter detailing an extensive list of treatments to appeal to a racist far right immigrant hater.

[Kate!]

They don't come thinking it's 7 quid a day etc. They come because they know they're gonna get far better than that fgs.

[Glenn.]

They don't come thinking it's 7 quid a day etc. They come because they know they're gonna get far better than that fgs.

You’re literally just repeating the same lines over and over, like it somehow gets truer each time. It doesn’t. No matter how many times you insist people are living in luxury, the reality is still squalid hotels, poverty-level allowances, and years in limbo.

[Nicky91]

we use grocery deliveries over here


very handy, this online grocery shopping



one of whom are sponsoring a cycling team nowadays btw, Picnic :)

[Nicky91]

we also receive offers of 25% off from any imported produce from Germany, this online shopping app is also very popular over there

[Glenn.]

It didn't make any difference to me. I already know they get everything going and more on top.

Therefore you're admitting you're referring to myself.


https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20250702/a8a08ee7d995e8176d0e527e8628d5b9.gif

[AnnieK]

You realise how easy that would be easy to do right?

To be fair Glenn, a quick Google is all is takes to find out that all asylum seekers are entitled to HC2 Certificate from the NHS which does entitle them to the free treatments the shown letter has.

I doubt the legitimacy of it just being "found" on the floor and being an actual letter but there is no doubt that all asylum seekers - as long as they are being processed through the asylum system and low paid UK benefit claimants are entitled to the free NHS treatments.

I think we absolutely should help migrants and asylum seekers who come here escaping war and persecution and I do believe the NHS is part of the lure that brings them here - otherwise they would surely not risk further crossings once they have arrived in mainland Europe and are safe.

[Beso]

Honestly, you’ve swallowed every tabloid headline going. If you think most asylum seekers are living in 4-star hotels with gyms and concierge service, you need to look at actual reports rather than clickbait.

The Home Office’s own inspections have found damp, mould, bed bugs, overcrowding, and serious safeguarding failures. That’s not “nonsense”—it’s in government documents, and plenty of charities and journalists have documented it repeatedly.

Yes, some hotels are used as emergency accommodation, but they’re often run-down budget chains, not spas. And let’s not pretend the NHS rolls out red carpets—people in the asylum system face the same waiting times and barriers as everyone else.

You can call me out of touch all you like, but you’re the one parroting fantasy lists about “on-call dentists” and “licence-free TVs” while ignoring the evidence. If you care about rough sleepers—and I do too—maybe direct some of that outrage at the politicians who choose to underfund services for everyone, instead of blaming desperate people who had no say in where they were sent.


I'm actually a person who doesn't read or look at newspapers.or indeed watch the main news channels.

I get my info from people on the ground, gathering video evidence, people going to these hotels will across the nation.. people who interview the residents..watching them and seeing 1st hand accounts on the videos they upload has led me to my view point. I knew about, and highlighted on here months ago about them working...police did nothing then...they've only took interest after an MP did what these citizen journalists have been doing for years, to which I have been watching since early 2020.


Do you watch the main streem news channels, are you a BBC puppet? Pray tell where you get your info from...font say the government my tennna lady couldn't handle the influx of laughter induced urine.

[Kate!]

Yes Annie, but not at the expense of our own people. They are literally welcomed with open arms and taken straight to accommodation, and no Glenn it's not mouldy etc.

[Glenn.]

To be fair Glenn, a quick Google is all is takes to find out that all asylum seekers are entitled to HC2 Certificate from the NHS which does entitle them to the free treatments the shown letter has.

I doubt the legitimacy of it just being "found" on the floor and being an actual letter but there is no doubt that all asylum seekers - as long as they are being processed through the asylum system and low paid UK benefit claimants are entitled to the free NHS treatments.

I think we absolutely should help migrants and asylum seekers who come here escaping war and persecution and I do believe the NHS is part of the lure that brings them here - otherwise they would surely not risk further crossings once they have arrived in mainland Europe and are safe.


The chances of it being found by someone who relies on hateful clickbait is slim though. If the information is available online which I didn’t say it wasn’t, then the chances of it being fake are even higher.

[Kate!]

Let's digress a little and talk about the lifeboats for a minute. These foolhardy greedy illegal migrants have to be rescued on a daily basis by the RNLI who therefore prioritise them over others in distress.

[Glenn.]

I'm actually a person who doesn't read or look at newspapers.or indeed watch the main news channels.

I get my info from people on the ground, gathering video evidence, people going to these hotels will across the nation.. people who interview the residents..watching them and seeing 1st hand accounts on the videos they upload has led me to my view point. I knew about, and highlighted on here months ago about them working...police did nothing then...they've only took interest after an MP did what these citizen journalists have been doing for years, to which I have been watching since early 2020.


Do you watch the main streem news channels, are you a BBC puppet? Pray tell where you get your info from...font say the government my tennna lady couldn't handle the influx of laughter induced urine.

It’s honestly hilarious how you assume anyone who doesn’t share your views must be some BBC puppet. No, I don’t get my information from government press releases—I look at independent reports from charities, legal groups, the UNHCR, and yes, reputable journalism that actually checks facts instead of cobbling together shaky phone videos to fit a narrative.

If your entire understanding of a national issue comes from a handful of self-styled “citizen journalists” filming hotel car parks, maybe consider that you’re not getting the whole picture—just the bits that confirm what you already want to believe.

[Kate!]

Home Office figures cited by the Financial Times in August last year showed that the annual asylum cost reached £3.96 billion in the year up to 2023—double that of the previous year and six times higher than 2018. Yet, despite that astronomical cost, we continue to increase handouts to France to stop the boats.

[Glenn.]

Let's digress a little and talk about the lifeboats for a minute. These foolhardy greedy illegal migrants have to be rescued on a daily basis by the RNLI who therefore prioritise them over others in distress.

Let’s be clear: the RNLI doesn’t “prioritise” anyone over others in distress. They respond to whoever is at risk of drowning, because that’s literally their job—saving lives at sea, no matter who it is.

Calling people “greedy” for risking death in a dinghy shows exactly how little empathy you have for any human being outside your own bubble. You don’t have to like it, but pretending the RNLI is somehow picking favourites is just petty ignorance.

[Kate!]

I have more empathy in my little finger than you have ever had in your entire life for anyone

[Glenn.]

I have more empathy in my little finger than you have ever had in your entire life for anyone

This isn’t about ME now stick to your OWN topic

[bots]

its all too easy to omit the word illegal when talking about immigrants. Illegal immigrants shouldn't be entitled to anything. Stick them in tents and ship them back at the first opportunity.

They have immigration processing centres at all the refugee hotspots around the world. We have embassies or consulates in every country around the world. All offer a legal method of entering the UK and those immigrants should be entitled to life saving healthcare and accomodation. Those that don't enter legally shouldnt be given anything, they chose to come here illegally.

Even those crossing from france had the whole of europe to apply legally to come here. They are under no threat in France, Germany etc etc

[Kate!]

its all too easy to omit the word illegal when talking about immigrants. Illegal immigrants shouldn't be entitled to anything. Stick them in tents and ship them back at the first opportunity.

They have immigration processing centres at all the refugee hotspots around the world. We have embassies or consulates in every country around the world. All offer a legal method of entering the UK and those immigrants should be entitled to life saving healthcare and accomodation. Those that don't enter legally shouldnt be given anything, they chose to come here illegally.

Even those crossing from france had the whole of europe to apply legally to come here. They are under no threat in France, Germany etc etc

Yass! Illegal immigrants it is.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Former RNLI crew member David Wimble said "Some of the crews have voiced privately that they're a bit disenchanted with the fact that they are being used, to quote you, as a taxi service without any financial reward from the government.

"If you take into account the fact that the RNLI is wholly funded by volunteer contributions, some people have even said they leave legacies for them in their wills."

Wimbles added: "Somebody that I know personally, who was planning on leaving them a large amount of money, stated that they wouldn't do it, all the time they were acting as a taxi service."

At its worst, Wimbles stated that the RNLI were being forced to intervene "at least four times a day", and that the operation is "a very expensive business".

He explained: "Some people might give them more money, but I would say the majority of people don't think that it's being used in the way that William Hillary set it up for, which was purely to save lives at sea.

https://www.gbnews.com/news/rnli-lifeboats-taxi-service-migrants

[AnnieK]

The chances of it being found by someone who relies on hateful clickbait is slim though. If the information is available online which I didn’t say it wasn’t, then the chances of it being fake are even higher.

Not quite sure what you're saying here. :shrug:
I said I doubt the legitimacy of the letter but what people are entitled to doesn't change you did say

"I could think of a lot of reasons why someone who needed some likes would create a fake letter detailing an extensive list of treatments to appeal to a racist far right immigrant hater."

The extensive list is just what all people who qualify for a HC2 certificate, which provides full help with NHS health costs and is available to individuals with low income or no income, regardless of their immigration status. This includes asylum seekers and those with no recourse to public funds.

[Glenn.]

Not quite sure what you're saying here. :shrug:
I said I doubt the legitimacy of the letter but what people are entitled to doesn't change you did say

"I could think of a lot of reasons why someone who needed some likes would create a fake letter detailing an extensive list of treatments to appeal to a racist far right immigrant hater."

The extensive list is just what all people who qualify for a HC2 certificate, which provides full help with NHS health costs and is available to individuals with low income or no income, regardless of their immigration status. This includes asylum seekers and those with no recourse to public funds.

I was agreeing with you.

I don’t believe the letter is real though. Seems very convenient

[AnnieK]

I was agreeing with you.

I don’t believe the letter is real though. Seems very convenient

Ah right - I thought you were disagreeing :laugh:

Yeah, too convenient to just be dropped and found at the right time by an auditor and probably designed to enflame people who don't know what people, all people, are entitled to on low funds.

[Kate!]

I'm not wrong. It's very cushy.

What's coded? Are you saying I'm openly being racist using code words. Deny it.

[Glenn.]

I'm not wrong. It's very cushy.

What's coded? Are you saying I'm openly being racist using code words. Deny it.

But you’re wrong. They don’t have a cushy life.

[Kate!]

But you’re wrong. They don’t have a cushy life.

They clearly do.

[Kate!]

They get put up in hotels virtually straight off the bat, given all the benefits available and are allowed to work without taxation, given bikes to take jobs as delivery drivers. Etc.

[Glenn.]

They clearly do.

The evidence I’ve provided say otherwise.

[Kate!]

The evidence I’ve provided say otherwise.

Garbage.

[Kate!]

I see no evidence that they only get 7 pounds a day etc.

[BBXX]

The only reason this should be regulated is for the benefit of those being employed. There should be a system in place where migrants get to work for a fair wage but as a result have to forgo a level of benefit they receive (I am sure those on a certain wage have to pay for their living accommodation costs). People - mainly migrants desperate to work - are being exploited.

It seems like the outrage in this thread lies with the migrants who are working and not the companies who are exploiting them, which feels bizarre to me. If migrants were so well off under the benefits received by the country, they wouldn't need to work.

I think this country have such an odd relationship with the benefits system, it's always seen as unfair but only ever when it's for those they deem lesser. Parents get multiple benefits that people without kids don't, married people get tax credits, single people get a discount off council tax, people who use fewer public funded services pay the same tax level as those who use a lot - it's all part of living in a society, and it's never going to ever be truly equal. I would rather migrants get a job and contribute to said society in some capacity while their application is being decided than not.

You can't complain migrants are simultaneously sponging off the state while also complaining about them working.

[Kate!]

The only reason this should be regulated is for the benefit of those being employed. There should be a system in place where migrants get to work for a fair wage but as a result have to forgo a level of benefit they receive (I am sure those on a certain wage have to pay for their living accommodation costs). People - mainly migrants desperate to work - are being exploited.

It seems like the outrage in this thread lies with the migrants who are working and not the companies who are exploiting them, which feels bizarre to me. If migrants were so well off under the benefits received by the country, they wouldn't need to work.

I think this country have such an odd relationship with the benefits system, it's always seen as unfair but only ever when it's for those they deem lesser. Parents get multiple benefits that people without kids don't, married people get tax credits, single people get a discount off council tax, people who use fewer public funded services pay the same tax level as those who use a lot - it's all part of living in a society, and it's never going to ever be truly equal. I would rather migrants get a job and contribute to said society in some capacity while their application is being decided than not.

You can't complain migrants are simultaneously sponging off the state while also complaining about them working.

Yes you can? They ARE doing both.

[Glenn.]

The only reason this should be regulated is for the benefit of those being employed. There should be a system in place where migrants get to work for a fair wage but as a result have to forgo a level of benefit they receive (I am sure those on a certain wage have to pay for their living accommodation costs). People - mainly migrants desperate to work - are being exploited.

It seems like the outrage in this thread lies with the migrants who are working and not the companies who are exploiting them, which feels bizarre to me. If migrants were so well off under the benefits received by the country, they wouldn't need to work.

I think this country have such an odd relationship with the benefits system, it's always seen as unfair but only ever when it's for those they deem lesser. Parents get multiple benefits that people without kids don't, married people get tax credits, single people get a discount off council tax, people who use fewer public funded services pay the same tax level as those who use a lot - it's all part of living in a society, and it's never going to ever be truly equal. I would rather migrants get a job and contribute to said society in some capacity while their application is being decided than not.

You can't complain migrants are simultaneously sponging off the state while also complaining about them working.

:clap1:

[Beso]

It’s honestly hilarious how you assume anyone who doesn’t share your views must be some BBC puppet. No, I don’t get my information from government press releases—I look at independent reports from charities, legal groups, the UNHCR, and yes, reputable journalism that actually checks facts instead of cobbling together shaky phone videos to fit a narrative.

If your entire understanding of a national issue comes from a handful of self-styled “citizen journalists” filming hotel car parks, maybe consider that you’re not getting the whole picture—just the bits that confirm what you already want to believe.




You are getting the wool pulled over your eyes.the government relies on lackeys like yourself to push their narrative..

I've seen to many videos from to many people to know you are getting duped...


Poor migrants...They come here cause everything is paid for and they can then use their own money stored in foreign bank accounts to procure other things that only the poor of GB can dream off. Remember I said interviewing the residence as well....cause rha5a where I found this info from....direct from an illlegal imigrants mouth, as he sat puffing on a joint, paid for from his own bank account...nice sneakers as well.

That's what's so gallling to most people, the fact they have enough money stored away that they could be paying their own way once here like any UK citizen wurh an ounce of pride about themselves does. Not good enough for them though, just a bunch of freeloaders half of whom don't even come from war torn countries.

[Kate!]

You are getting the wool pulled over your eyes.the government relies on lackeys like yourself to push their narrative..

I've seen to many videos from to many people to know you are getting duped...


Poor migrants...They come here cause everything is paid for and they can then use their own money stored in foreign bank accounts to procure other things that only the poor of GB can dream off. Remember I said interviewing the residence as well....cause rha5a where I found this info from....direct from an illlegal imigrants mouth, as he sat puffing on a joint, paid for from his own bank account...nice sneakers as well.

That's what's so gallling to most people, the fact they have enough money stored away that they could be paying their own way once here like any UK citizen wurh an ounce of pride about themselves does. Not good enough for them though, just a bunch of freeloaders half of whom don't even come from war torn countries.

Applause!

[Glenn.]

You are getting the wool pulled over your eyes.the government relies on lackeys like yourself to push their narrative..

I've seen to many videos from to many people to know you are getting duped...


Poor migrants...They come here cause everything is paid for and they can then use their own money stored in foreign bank accounts to procure other things that only the poor of GB can dream off. Remember I said interviewing the residence as well....cause rha5a where I found this info from....direct from an illlegal imigrants mouth, as he sat puffing on a joint, paid for from his own bank account...nice sneakers as well.

That's what's so gallling to most people, the fact they have enough money stored away that they could be paying their own way once here like any UK citizen wurh an ounce of pride about themselves does. Not good enough for them though, just a bunch of freeloaders half of whom don't even come from war torn countries.

You realise you’ve just described cherry-picking a couple of videos to justify tarring an entire group of people? If you genuinely think every asylum seeker is sitting on fat bank accounts while pretending to be destitute, you’ve been spoon-fed exactly the narrative you accuse everyone else of falling for.

Yes, some people abuse any system—just like some UK citizens do. That doesn’t magically erase the fact that the vast majority are living in poverty-level conditions with no right to work. If you can’t tell the difference between one guy in nice trainers and the reality for thousands stuck in limbo, you’re not making some big revelation—you’re just confirming how shallow your sources are.

[Kate!]

They wouldn't come here if that were the case. And they know what the craic is because they got told by those already here.

[BBXX]

Yes you can? They ARE doing both.

So if the Government said that you don't need to work, they'll put you in a free hotel room in a location of their choosing, where you will be fed and you'll get £9.85 a week, would you go for it or would you think that £512 a year - even if you don't need to pay tax, or rent, or bills - sounds ****ing miserable.

People still receive benefits while working to help get by - using parents as the example once again, they receive significant benefits in the form of free childcare hours, people take this without thinking and without ever considering themselves sponging off the state. Why?

[BBXX]

I don't sit on my arse smoking spliffs I run a home despite my conditions. And as I said earlier I did work full time for the majority of my life.

If that's your issue (a hypothetical, made-up one that you're applying to a whole group of people, which is strange) why do you have an issue with those who are working, like this topic is about?

[Beso]

You realise you’ve just described cherry-picking a couple of videos to justify tarring an entire group of people? If you genuinely think every asylum seeker is sitting on fat bank accounts while pretending to be destitute, you’ve been spoon-fed exactly the narrative you accuse everyone else of falling for.

Yes, some people abuse any system—just like some UK citizens do. That doesn’t magically erase the fact that the vast majority are living in poverty-level conditions with no right to work. If you can’t tell the difference between one guy in nice trainers and the reality for thousands stuck in limbo, you’re not making some big revelation—you’re just confirming how shallow your sources are.



I have 5 years of videos showing stuff like I just described. Im not going to lisy each and every one of them, am I!

Of course not all of them have the luxury of money in the bank, but then again not all of them are fleeing war, many will be criminals fleeing prosecution. I don't by this "men if fighting age" bolllocks either, cause im wise enough to know that many of them will be gay lads fleeing persecution.. but for you to dismiss peoples issues on these matters as spoon fed narratives etc doesn't show their shallowness on the matter it in fact shows your own.

[AnnieK]

closed for cleaning.
Please stop personally insulting each other if it is re-opened