Police participation in Pride march ruled 'unlawful'

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2025/07/16/TELEMMGLPICT000432594364_17526799815740_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqdyzzeLTVDDdM_6qhSz43_IGRd2uUBw6t0G7j4dte2v k.jpeg?imwidth=420

A police force failed to act impartially when it allowed officers to take part in
a Gay Pride and transgender rights march, a court has ruled.

Linzi Smith, 34, a gender-critical lesbian, brought a case against Northumbria
Police after officers, including Vanessa Jardine, the head of the force, took
part in last year’s parade in Newcastle.

Ms Smith argued that it was wrong to allow uniformed officers to actively
participate in an event that promoted gender ideology and was supported by
transgender activists.

Responding to the ruling, Ms Smith said: “I am delighted with the judgment
of the court. It is terrifying to live in a community where the police have
abandoned their duty of impartiality and embraced a highly controversial
political cause.”

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/briefs/2025/07/16/TELEMMGLPICT000364806547_17526778155610_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqpVlberWd9EgFPZtcLiMQf0Rf_Wk3V23H2268P_XkPx c.jpeg?imwidth=460

In the legal claim, officers were accused of joining in the march; stationing a
police van decked out in Pride colours at the event and associating with
messaging that supported gender ideology.

The hearing was told there was also a Northumbria Police static display
staffed by uniformed officers and a transgender Pride flag incorporating the
force’s insignia.

Ms Smith argued that while she accepted it was necessary for the Pride
march to be policed it was wrong for officers to actively participate because it
breached their professional oath to operate with impartiality.

The court also heard how during the march there were pro-Palestinian
protesters chanting slogans such as: “From the River To The Sea, Palestine
Will Be Free”, “No Pride in Genocide” and “Toute le monde deteste la police”.



“Pride is political in the same way that any protest is political. Police
engagement should therefore be solely operational. No lanyards, flags,
whistles or painted cars. Just good, honest bobbies remaining polite and
keeping the peace.”



https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/07/16/police-wrong-join-pride-march-judge-rules/

[Cherie]

Makes sense

[BBXX]

It's giving Turkeys voting for Christmas.

Sad to see now that Linzi has a foot on the acceptance ladders she's pulling it up for those who don't. Seek help.

The police have historically been instrumental in oppressing LGBT people, so visibility at supporting them is simply readdressing the balance.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Makes sense

another victory for common sense and thankfully a precedent now that will be upheld

no more pathetic rainbow police cars or embarrassing displays at "pride marches"

I am sure police officers will be relieved and delighted by this

[Livia]

Makes sense

Makes perfect sense. I hate seeing the publicly funded police join in with any protest or parade, like seeing them do the macarena at Notting Hill. If you want to take part, wait till you're off duty then you can do what you like.

[Ammi]

…how so much has become so divisive and regressing in recent/current times…almost a decade ago at London Pride a Met officer proposed to his partner and that ‘impartiality’ was viewed in a completely positive way…it’s very sad how isolated, some society mindsets appear to be leaning…

Mn8mf_hmlh8

[Mystic Mock]

Tbh I don't really understand the issue here?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Linzi 🖤🤍@RightNUFC

🚨 Further Statement Regarding My High Court Victory VS CC Vanessa
Jardine And Northumbria Police 🚨

Today I have instructed my solicitors to write to the Chief Constable of
Northumbria Police to threaten further legal action if she authorises officers
to visibly participate in Northern Pride 2025. Despite a clear and damning
judgment of her decision to authorise officers to participate in Pride 2024 she
has authorised off-duty officers wearing T-shirts that show they are officers to
participate in Pride 2025. This is plainly unlawful and I will take legal action if
she does not rescind that authorisation. Her public statements in the light of
the ruling show a complete absence of reflection on a judgement that was
highly critical of her deeply flawed decision regarding Pride 2024 – a decision
that caused her and her officers to breach their professional duties. It would
appear that she and the Northumbria force have been completely captured by
a controversial political campaign.

The Police are NOT above the law.

[Livia]

Tbh I don't really understand the issue here?

The police are funded by the public. They should not be joining in with ANY parade or march they are being paid, by the public, to police.

[Liam-]

You can guarantee if they joined in on an anti-immigration march the same folks would be congratulating them for being ‘brave’, some people just won’t be happy until society gets back to openly accepted hostility towards gay people

[Crimson Dynamo]

You can guarantee if they joined in on an anti-immigration march the same folks would be congratulating them for being ‘brave’, some people just won’t be happy until society gets back to openly accepted hostility towards gay people

You have imagined two situations that have not occurred and then got angry about both of them

:shrug:

[Livia]

I want the police impartial. They should not take part in any marches. Ever.

[Zizu]

I want the police impartial. They should not take part in any marches. Ever.


Yes

It seems obvious tbh


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[Mystic Mock]

The police are funded by the public. They should not be joining in with ANY parade or march they are being paid, by the public, to police.

I'm assuming that they are there primarily to Police tbf.

I would understand it more if the Police were openly taking sides in the Israel vs. Palestine protests (which I know has happened tbf,) because the Police need to de-escalate situations like those, and the UK Police have sometimes failed at that.

But it's a Pride event, it's not really harming anyone.

[Livia]

I'm assuming that they are there primarily to Police tbf.

I would understand it more if the Police were openly taking sides in the Israel vs. Palestine protests (which I know has happened tbf,) because the Police need to de-escalate situations like those, and the UK Police have sometimes failed at that.

But it's a Pride event, it's not really harming anyone.

There is no difference. They're there to police the event, same as any other event they police. They can be friendly, supportive, approachable... But they have a job to do. If they want to take part, fine. But not while they're on duty.

[Cherie]

I'm assuming that they are there primarily to Police tbf.

I would understand it more if the Police were openly taking sides in the Israel vs. Palestine protests (which I know has happened tbf,) because the Police need to de-escalate situations like those, and the UK Police have sometimes failed at that.

But it's a Pride event, it's not really harming anyone.

So no women have been harmed recently Mock, you can't think of a single case where a woman has been suspended or worse lost her job for being gender critical?

[Liam-]

I'm assuming that they are there primarily to Police tbf.

I would understand it more if the Police were openly taking sides in the Israel vs. Palestine protests (which I know has happened tbf,) because the Police need to de-escalate situations like those, and the UK Police have sometimes failed at that.

But it's a Pride event, it's not really harming anyone.

It’s harming the bigots to see lgbt people so openly accepted

[Crimson Dynamo]

It’s harming the bigots to see lgbt people so openly accepted

the legal action was taken by a Lesbian


:facepalm:

at least read the opening post!!

[BBXX]

the legal action was taken by a Lesbian


:facepalm:

at least read the opening post!!

LGBT people can also be bigots. Internalised homophobia is a thing, and some LGB folks are anti trans. Hope that helps.

[Livia]

the legal action was taken by a Lesbian


:facepalm:

at least read the opening post!!

Lesbians have suffered with the trans madness but hey, they're just women. It seems to me that trans ideology is heavily supported by gay men.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Lesbians have suffered with the trans madness but hey, they're just women. It seems to me that trans ideology is heavily supported by gay men.

almost exclusively

and by 20 odd year old middle class white straight women, it seems

[BBXX]

Lesbians have suffered with the trans madness but hey, they're just women. It seems to me that trans ideology is heavily supported by gay men.

lol the biggest support for trans people comes from women.

[Livia]

lol the biggest support for trans people comes from women.

Yeah, right.

[Crimson Dynamo]

In his ruling at the High Court in Leeds, Mr Justice Linden agreed and said it
was ‘contrary to the uniformed officers’ duties of impartiality’, as well as the
chief constable Vanessa Jardine’s ‘own duty of impartiality, to participate in the
2024 march in the way that they did’

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/07/16/17/100371795-14911965-image-a-30_1752684372696.jpg

[BBXX]

Yeah, right.

Thank you for confirming.

The latest polling suggests that while overall support for trans people is decreasing across the board, women are consistently, and always have been, more supportive than men.

[BBXX]

Don't use facts with these people they like to believe their own biases are reality.

I was stating my opinion, you were suggesting something was fact. There is a difference...

[Livia]

Thank you for confirming.

The latest polling suggests that while overall support for trans people is decreasing across the board, women are consistently, and always have been, more supportive than men.

"Latest polling suggests". Can't argue with facts like that.

[BBXX]

"Latest polling suggests". Can't argue with facts like that.

We use statistics to get a pulse on public opinion for many things, Livia.

It's certainly a better benchmark for public opinion than "it seems to me" (aka based on my limited experience on a Big Brother forum).

[Livia]

We use statistics to get a pulse on public opinion for many things, Livia.

It's certainly a better benchmark for public opinion than "it seems to me" (aka based on my limited experience on a Big Brother forum).

You haven't used statistics! You said "latest polling suggests". But you didn't produce the results of that poll. This place is for opinions (so people say things like, it seems to me...), but you can back up those opinions with evidence. Or, you can say things like "latest polling suggests" and imagine that's enough to prove your flimsy point.

You say "on a Big Brother Forum" like it's an insult. And yet here you are.


Of course, we could go back to us not conversing. That would suit me down to the ground.

[BBXX]

You haven't used statistics! You said "latest polling suggests". But you didn't produce the results of that poll. This place is for opinions (so people say things like, it seems to me...), but you can back up those opinions with evidence. Or, you can say things like "latest polling suggests" and imagine that's enough to prove your flimsy point.

You say "on a Big Brother Forum" like it's an insult. And yet here you are.


Of course, we could go back to us not conversing. That would suit me down to the ground.

Last time I provided links to unbiased, non-partisan stats your only contribution was to say there was a lot of "generalisations and shaky stats" and then when I said I was open to my mind being changed if other stats could be provided, I didn't hear from you.

Unfortunately, you have proven time and time again you don't care about stats that go against your opinion, so I am not wasting my time linking sources that will be there if you Google.

My claim was based of statistics I've read from polling of the general public, your claim was based off your experience on a forum that is one of the biggest echo chambers I've ever come across. One is not the same as the other.

Happy to stop conversing, sounds like a plan.

[Livia]

Last time I provided links to unbiased, non-partisan stats your only contribution was to say there was a lot of "generalisations and shaky stats" and then when I said I was open to my mind being changed if other stats could be provided, I didn't hear from you.

Unfortunately, you have proven time and time again you don't care about stats that go against your opinion, so I am not wasting my time linking sources that will be there if you Google.

My claim was based of statistics I've read from polling of the general public, your claim was based off your experience on a forum that is one of the biggest echo chambers I've ever come across. One is not the same as the other.

Happy to stop conversing, sounds like a plan.


I don't recall you ever providing valid stats for anything.

If this forum is such an echo chamber, if you have so little respect for it and people who use it, why do you keep coming back? Why?

Have the last word, I know it'll be important to you, then let's go back to ignoring each other.

[bots]

the police are not there primarily to police the event, that is their sole duty

[Crimson Dynamo]

why are so many police at this "family-friendly event" anyroad??

[BBXX]

why are so many police at this "family-friendly event" anyroad??

Because it draws immense crowds and police need to ensure safety - just like literally any event large crowds are drawn to.

Often you'll also get conclaves of people who stand on the side of the parade shouting at the people who are enjoying their day that they are going to hell for loving someone of the same sex and so the police are there to ensure nothing kicks off.

[Mystic Mock]

So no women have been harmed recently Mock, you can't think of a single case where a woman has been suspended or worse lost her job for being gender critical?

I said that the Police officers celebrating Pride isn't harming anyone.

Not that there haven't been cases of Transwomen thinking that it's okay to (for example) take part in Martial Arts against women.

[Glenn.]

Because it draws immense crowds and police need to ensure safety - just like literally any event large crowds are drawn to.

Often you'll also get conclaves of people who stand on the side of the parade shouting at the people who are enjoying their day that they are going to hell for loving someone of the same sex and so the police are there to ensure nothing kicks off.

It’s common sense no?
To think police would police large scale crowds like that. A crazy concept huh?

[Livia]

I said that the Police officers celebrating Pride isn't harming anyone.

Not that there haven't been cases of Transwomen thinking that it's okay to (for example) take part in Martial Arts against women.

No one is saying police should be excluded from Pride. In their own time.

[Mystic Mock]

No one is saying police should be excluded from Pride. In their own time.

But they're already there.

Why can't they multitask and celebrate Pride while also doing their job?

Going by Ammi's post, the Police were able to do it back in 2016.

[BBXX]

But they're already there.

Why can't they multitask and celebrate Pride while also doing their job?

Going by Ammi's post, the Police were able to do it back in 2016.

The argument is Police are supposed to be and look impartial. I would question the intentions of anyone who wants to look 'impartial' on the subject of LGBT existing, tbh, but hey ho.

The issue stems from Pride being a politically motivated 'movement', and therefore Police need to be neutral. However, Pride is only political because people in power, the majority of whom are straight, make the existence of LGBT people political.

The vast majority of LGBT people would rather their existence wasn't up for political debate, in the same way straight people's existence hasn't ever been (for their identity). However, this is where we are and always have been, and so Pride will continue to be political.

My opinion is the police force have a checkered history with the LGBT community, they were instrumental in upholding discriminatory laws, often with force and violence. The police are not a very trusted collective within the community due to this history. Police involvement in pride not only goes ways to bridge that, for the sake of community, peace, trust and mutual respect, but it also creates a visual for any LGBT person who wants to join the Police force that perhaps it's now a viable workplace for them to exist in without prejudice.

I think often people, when suggesting X, Y and Z shouldn't "be political and get involved in pride" forget that gay people exist within those corporations and for many it's a way to show they're a company that accepts and supports you regardless of your sexuality.

[Mystic Mock]

The argument is Police are supposed to be and look impartial. I would question the intentions of anyone who wants to look 'impartial' on the subject of LGBT existing, tbh, but hey ho.

The issue stems from Pride being a politically motivated 'movement', and therefore Police need to be neutral. However, Pride is only political because people in power, the majority of whom are straight, make the existence of LGBT people political.

The vast majority of LGBT people would rather their existence wasn't up for political debate, in the same way straight people's existence hasn't ever been (for their identity). However, this is where we are and always have been, and so Pride will continue to be political.

My opinion is the police force have a checkered history with the LGBT community, they were instrumental in upholding discriminatory laws, often with force and violence. The police are not a very trusted collective within the community due to this history. Police involvement in pride not only goes ways to bridge that, for the sake of community, peace, trust and mutual respect, but it also creates a visual for any LGBT person who wants to join the Police force that perhaps it's now a viable workplace for them to exist in without prejudice.

I think often people, when suggesting X, Y and Z shouldn't "be political and get involved in pride" forget that gay people exist within those corporations and for many it's a way to show they're a company that accepts and supports you regardless of your sexuality.

Maybe that's the difference then.

Because to me I don't see Pride as the same as Just Stop Oil for example.

And I do want to say that I personally believe that some of society want to take our Humanity away in certain situations, and make us more robotic.

It seems like crying is the only form of emotion that's deemed acceptable nowadays.

Just going on a bit of a tangent, sorry about that.:laugh:

[Parmy]

Political pride activists are ruining pride for the non political.

[Glenn.]

Political pride activists are ruining pride for the non political.

Pride was literally born out of clashes with the police. Stonewall wasn’t a brunch, it was a riot…

[Livia]

But they're already there.

Why can't they multitask and celebrate Pride while also doing their job?

Going by Ammi's post, the Police were able to do it back in 2016.

When they go to football matches, maybe they can just watch the game. They're there already after all. And during royal parades instead of watching the crowd maybe they can watch the horses go past.

They are there to do a job. While I want them to be friendly and approachable, I don't want them joining in with the festivities.

[Glenn.]

Some people really are ****ing miserable aren’t they lmao

[Benjamin]

Lesbians have suffered with the trans madness but hey, they're just women. It seems to me that trans ideology is heavily supported by gay men.

Let’s not generalise all gay men, please. :nono:

I really appreciate some of the police want to be more involved but I agree they are there to police the event and should be doing just that. If they want to join in, they should have taken the time off of work.

[Livia]

Let’s not generalise all gay men, please. :nono:

I really appreciate some of the police want to be more involved but I agree they are there to police the event and should be doing just that. If they want to join in, they should have taken the time off of work.

Of course that's what I meant. I did not mean to generalise and apologise unreservedly x

[Liam-]

They can police the event and not be stoic bastards while doing it, it doesn’t need to be an either or situation

[Benjamin]

They can police the event and not be stoic bastards while doing it, it doesn’t need to be an either or situation

My issue is if something (god forbid) happened like a bomb/attack, they’d have come straight under fire for not being fully alert doing their job though. Nobody is saying they need to be stoic (well I’m not) but they are there to do a job to protect, so they should be focused on that. If they wanted to join the march they should, and can do so off-duty.

[Livia]

My issue is if something (god forbid) happened like a bomb/attack, they’d have come straight under fire for not being fully alert doing their job though. Nobody is saying they need to be stoic (well I’m not) but they are there to do a job to protect, so they should be focused on that. If they wanted to join the match they should, and can do so off-duty.

That's exactly what I mean. Like I said, I want them to be friendly and approachable, but they can't be alert and nip crimes and problems in the bud if they're dancing.

[Parmy]

Pride was literally born out of clashes with the police. Stonewall wasn’t a brunch, it was a riot…

What is it now.:joker:

[Livia]

What is it now.:joker:

A bit of a sh1tshow. Shame, considering what it achieved.

[Parmy]

A bit of a sh1tshow. Shame, considering what it achieved.

I've been to one in London, it was to busy for me. That must have been about 10 years ago though. It doesnt seem as busy or as popular amongst the LGB community now though. Everything's probably overpriced now, call it payback time from the companies that pandered to it in the past.

[Glenn.]

I've been to one in London, it was to busy for me. That must have been about 10 years ago though. It doesnt seem as busy or as popular amongst the LGB community now though. Everything's probably overpriced now, call it payback time from the companies that pandered to it in the past.

You’re just misinformed. I’ll fix that for you.

2014
~750,000 spectators
2015
~1 million spectators, ~30,000 marchers ()
2016
~1 million+ spectators ()
2017
~1 million spectators; 26,000+ marchers ()
2018
~1 million+ spectators, ~30,000 marchers ()
2019
~1.5 million spectators ()
2020–21
Canceled due to COVID‑19 ()
2022
1–1.5 million (50th anniversary) ()
2023
~1.5 million+ ()
2024–25
~1.5 million+ signal strong continued turnout

As you can see in the last ten years, it’s grown quite a bit and numbers have been consistent.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Now all the free funding has been pulled they will fade away a fair bit

[Glenn.]

Pride events contribute between £80-£100m annually to the countries economy. How much do homophobes and bigots contribute?

[Glenn.]

They don’t contribute much beyond Facebook comments and a few angry letters to the council, to be honest. While Pride events bring in tens of millions to the UK economy every year, homophobes mostly contribute bitter tweets, pub rants, and the occasional Daily Mail headline.

So, you know… not exactly a net gain. But congrats guys!

[Parmy]

You’re just misinformed. I’ll fix that for you.

2014
~750,000 spectators
2015
~1 million spectators, ~30,000 marchers ()
2016
~1 million+ spectators ()
2017
~1 million spectators; 26,000+ marchers ()
2018
~1 million+ spectators, ~30,000 marchers ()
2019
~1.5 million spectators ()
2020–21
Canceled due to COVID‑19 ()
2022
1–1.5 million (50th anniversary) ()
2023
~1.5 million+ ()
2024–25
~1.5 million+ signal strong continued turnout

As you can see in the last ten years, it’s grown quite a bit and numbers have been consistent.


Must have been all the attention I got that made it feel busy.

Nice to see it growing.

[Crimson Dynamo]

But despite huge visitor numbers, organisers say the event – and others like it around the country – face an uncertain future due to a drop in funding and falling volunteer numbers.

More than 85 Pride organisations say they’ve seen a reduction in corporate sponsorships or partnerships, according to a questionnaire by the UK Pride Organisers Network (UKPON), which said it represents the majority of UK Pride events.

https://lordspress.co.uk/business/london-pride-returns-as-events-struggle-with-falling-funds/

The free funding has stopped and it's having a huge impact

[Crimson Dynamo]

Also various scandals like Surrey and indeed this thread topic

[Glenn.]

I’m sure they’ll be fine. Who knows maybe they’ll go back to being protests.

[Mystic Mock]

When they go to football matches, maybe they can just watch the game. They're there already after all. And during royal parades instead of watching the crowd maybe they can watch the horses go past.

They are there to do a job. While I want them to be friendly and approachable, I don't want them joining in with the festivities.

But the Police do watch the games, as well as also doing their job.

[BBXX]

I’m sure they’ll be fine. Who knows maybe they’ll go back to being protests.

I’ve always had mixed feelings about the level of corporate involvement , it’s great for funding and great for the staff at said company, but sometimes it just looks like a sponsorship parade. I much prefer seeing the community groups, sports teams etc…

[Ammi]

…that linked London Press article about the funding is really interesting, actually…how global corporations with head offices based in America have had their DEI funding cut, which has meant that even long standing contributors and supporters of events like Pride …?…no longer have their budgets to be able to support…the saying being used…’If America sneezes, the UK catches cold…’…hopefully the Farage man won’t ever become PM in the UK because he’s already pledged to eradicate DEI funding and take us all back to the dark ages of exclusivity…

[Maru]

Tbh I don't really understand the issue here?

Do they not have LGBT folk work openly within the police there? Pretty much all of local govt attends Pride events here, including Sheriff. It's not a hidden thing and I don't think considered to be that heavily political...?

On the topic of vehicles though:

Deputy under investigation after comment about gay pride parade
(2019) https://abc13.com/post/deputy-in-hot-water-over-gay-pride-comment/5366604/

He says his comment was related to conversation within the comments about HCSO's use of taxpayer money to use a county vehicle in a specialty parade. He has since deleted the comment.

It's a dumb comment because taxpayer money is being used to send out officers on OT to make sure people don't get stupid. Putting a car in the parade is a positive PR move and helps with recruitment. Law enforcement are facing serious shortages as people retire out.

I don't tend to view Pride as a referendum (for lack of a better word) on the current buzzword issues. I see it as a catch all invite for different kinds of people to come together to support each other's ideas around celebrating what Pride generally represents and if there are protest-y people (loud voices for their favorite thing) participating, that sits really normal for most here as we're accustomed to exercising our Freedom of Speech at opportune moments?... but the community event itself doesn't necessarily have to carry the same political messaging. I've known LGBT folk on all parts of the political spectrum here, anyway... but maybe our area is just more accepting.

[Crimson Dynamo]

But the Police do watch the games, as well as also doing their job.

but they don't celebrate goals Mock do they or join in with clapping and chants(and they don't watch games as the traditional job of the policeman is done by min wage security at games now)

[Maru]

But the Police do watch the games, as well as also doing their job.

My uncle does EJs (Extra jobs) with official games here. They certainly watch the games from within the role of why they're there. Staff also watch the games as well during breaks in activity :shrug: Uncle has also brought back lots of goodies from those events for himself, family and friends though from the shops...

Police play a critical role in the communities they serve so it makes sense they're there to be front and center in events responsible for safety, but also on occasion interacting with people in a non-police-y way to show everything is normal. That's normal also in daily police work. Having family in the role I know they can't "relax" the same way as others, especially in uniform, because there has to be default a line between them and other people that can't be fully crossed the same way it might in normal circumstances... so they would on average be more alert than most people even if they're "showing pride". Maybe wearing a department pin or something... it's not unusual special items sometimes get made that we're able to have to wear or display at home or in different settings. In this case, anything LGBT-related would just be considered depicting parts of the community that they actually serve :shrug:

[joeysteele]

I'm assuming that they are there primarily to Police tbf.

I would understand it more if the Police were openly taking sides in the Israel vs. Palestine protests (which I know has happened tbf,) because the Police need to de-escalate situations like those, and the UK Police have sometimes failed at that.

But it's a Pride event, it's not really harming anyone.

I agree.

It's actually very sad to see that this person who complained is probably against PRIDE events anyway.
Along with others they'd like them banned more than likely.

I think it's far more rooted in homophobia myself.
Gay people in the Police have had to endure equally bad discrimination in the past against them as in the armed forces too.
I see nothing wrong personally in joining in a fun event and celebrations of freedoms hard won by anyone, regardless of profession.
I'd more welcome and celebrate the Police allowed to be how they want to be too as to sexuality.
Everyone should be free from homophobic prejudice of others, it's really sad it it is something that IS still alive and kicking.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I agree.

It's actually very sad to see that this person who complained is probably against PRIDE events anyway.
Along with others they'd like them banned more than likely.

.

The lady in question is an out and proud Lesbian :laugh:

[Maru]

…that linked London Press article about the funding is really interesting, actually…how global corporations with head offices based in America have had their DEI funding cut, which has meant that even long standing contributors and supporters of events like Pride …?…no longer have their budgets to be able to support…the saying being used…’If America sneezes, the UK catches cold…’…hopefully the Farage man won’t ever become PM in the UK because he’s already pledged to eradicate DEI funding and take us all back to the dark ages of exclusivity…

If we've (US taxpayers) have been giving enough money that it makes its way abroad to fund their organization, then the taxpayer were being ripped off and it was rightfully cut, imv.

[Nicky91]

but they don't celebrate goals Mock do they or join in with clapping and chants(and they don't watch games as the traditional job of the policeman is done by min wage security at games now)

as if police officers can't be fans of certain teams


also they can celebrate post match, when they are home, grabbing a beer most likely

[Ammi]

If we've (US taxpayers) have been giving enough money that it makes its way abroad to fund their organization, then the taxpayer were being ripped off and it was rightfully cut, imv.

…that’s a fair comment also, Maru…but I do feel that it’s a bit more layered than that for those companies who branch out internationally …even in regards to tax etc, to invest in events in the countries that they want to and do trade in makes complete sense financially also…or has often done in the past, that’s obviously changing because of very controlled budget cuts and ‘controlled’ does have the feel of ‘controlling’ by (some) governments…

…EDIT:… would have thought its referring to private businesses also../…not any funded by tax payers…

[BBXX]

The lady in question is an out and proud Lesbian :laugh:

Once again, there are plenty of LGBT people who don't like Pride. We are not a monolithic group. You can dislike pride and be LGBT.

[Crimson Dynamo]

as if police officers can't be fans of certain teams


also they can celebrate post match, when they are home, grabbing a beer most likely

You are arguing a point no one has made

not sure why?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Once again, there are plenty of LGBT people who don't like Pride. We are not a monolithic group. You can dislike pride and be LGBT.

Indeed but the rather dramatic implication was not they they did not care for "Pride" it was that they actively disliked it

" is probably against PRIDE events anyway."

"They'd like them banned more than likely."

"I think it's far more rooted in homophobia myself."

I sincerely doubt any of the above is even remotely true:laugh:

[BBXX]

Indeed but the rather dramatic implication was not they they did not care for "Pride" it was that they actively disliked it

" is probably against PRIDE events anyway."

"They'd like them banned more than likely."

"I think it's far more rooted in homophobia myself."

I sincerely doubt any of the above is even remotely true:laugh:

It might not be true, but it doesn't mean it couldn't be. Some LGBT people do actively dislike Pride, some LGBT would like it banned and some LGBT people are homophobic against other subsections of the LGBT community.

That's all true.

[Benjamin]

I agree.

It's actually very sad to see that this person who complained is probably against PRIDE events anyway.
Along with others they'd like them banned more than likely.



The lady is part of the LGB community. You’ll find there’s an increasing number in the LGB community who are trying to separate themselves for the TQ+ community on the basis LGB is about sexuality whereas TQ+ is about gender ideology/identity which is not the same thing/experiences and shouldn’t be all lumped in together.

[BBXX]

The lady is part of the LGB community. You’ll find there’s an increasing number in the LGB community who are trying to separate themselves for the TQ+ community on the basis LGB is about sexuality whereas TQ+ is about gender ideology/identity which is not the same thing/experiences.

I do see the merit in this, absolutely, and I do think grouping T (particularly) with LGB confuses the matter for all. They are different, but the Trans community has already been an integral part of the gay community for historic reasons, right back to the very first pride riot and really LGBT is just made from a collection of people who were all persecuted for similar reasons despite the distinct differences between the identities.

And so while I understand the logic of "it's not the same, it shouldn't be grouped together" I also understand there is a 'strength in numbers' and particularly for historic reasons that was extremely vital for fighting for rights.

[Benjamin]

I do see the merit in this, absolutely, and I do think grouping T (particularly) with LGB confuses the matter for all. They are different, but the Trans community has already been an integral part of the gay community for historic reasons, right back to the very first pride riot and really LGBT is just made from a collection of people who were all persecuted for similar reasons despite the distinct differences between the identities.

And so while I understand the logic of "it's not the same, it shouldn't be grouped together" I also understand there is a 'strength in numbers' and particularly for historic reasons that was extremely vital for fighting for rights.

T was only added in the late 90s if I recall correctly. Prior to that it was just LGB.

There is strength in numbers, but there is this expectation for the LGB community to wholeheartedly support everything the TQ+ community fight for, which isn’t always the case.

[Maru]

T was only added in the late 90s if I recall correctly. Prior to that it was just LGB.

There is strength in numbers, but there is this expectation for the LGB community to wholeheartedly support everything the TQ+ community fight for, which isn’t always the case.

That's how I remember it also because of all the bitching done. It was when I learned about the topic of trans for the first time also.

We thought also then there were too many letters. If only we knew...

[BBXX]

T was only added in the late 90s if I recall correctly. Prior to that it was just LGB.

There is strength in numbers, but there is this expectation for the LGB community to wholeheartedly support everything the TQ+ community fight for, which isn’t always the case.

No I know, I'm just speaking more about the history of the group as people, rather than letters. The T was added later, but it was added because of their intertwined history with fighting for the rights of LGBT people.

[Vicky.]

The lady is part of the LGB community. You’ll find there’s an increasing number in the LGB community who are trying to separate themselves for the TQ+ community on the basis LGB is about sexuality whereas TQ+ is about gender ideology/identity which is not the same thing/experiences and shouldn’t be all lumped in together.
Indeed. It makes sense

[Alf]

LGBT people can also be bigots. Internalised homophobia is a thing, and some LGB folks are anti trans. Hope that helps.Can you be a bigot? Are you a bigot? Have you ever been a bigot?

[Niamh.]

T was only added in the late 90s if I recall correctly. Prior to that it was just LGB.

There is strength in numbers, but there is this expectation for the LGB community to wholeheartedly support everything the TQ+ community fight for, which isn’t always the case.

No I know, I'm just speaking more about the history of the group as people, rather than letters. The T was added later, but it was added because of their intertwined history with fighting for the rights of LGBT people.

Some of the views/fights can be conflicting though depending on a persons beliefs and points of view. Same sex attraction has just been changed to same gender attraction without any real discussion (or any discussions I've seen anyway)

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1598610666113449990/Dj4Ex5lo_200x200.jpg
LGB Alliance @AllianceLGB

Congratulations to Linzi Smith and Fair Cop. Pride events which promote gender
identity ideology are not politically-neutral. If public bodies take part in these
events, they are siding with the destruction of women's rights, harm to young
people and the dismantling of lesbian, gay and bisexual communities.

[Crimson Dynamo]

BBC activists at it again

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Linzi 🖤🤍 RightNUFC

Dear @BBCNews can you stop saying I describe myself as a lesbian please.

I am a lesbian, and have been my entire adult life.

Many thanks.
Linzi Smith.

XOXO

[joeysteele]

The lady is part of the LGB community. You’ll find there’s an increasing number in the LGB community who are trying to separate themselves for the TQ+ community on the basis LGB is about sexuality whereas TQ+ is about gender ideology/identity which is not the same thing/experiences and shouldn’t be all lumped in together.

Oh I thank you for pointing that out, you and LT actually.
I didn't pick that bit up.
I always appreciate being made fully aware of issues.

However I am aware of your last 3+ lines.
Not sure what can be done about that thinking however.
If anything even.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Police Scotland ban uniformed officers from taking part in Pride march

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2025/07/newspress-collage-6sb1uar9s-1752917016373.jpg?w=620
No more of this silly nonsense

An LGBT+ march will be held on the streets of Glasgow today, but unlike previous years there will be no uniformed cops taking part.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/15103121/police-scotland-banned-pride/