M&S apologises over "trans employee" in Women's Bra department

[Crimson Dynamo]

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Marks & Spencer has apologised to a mother for causing her teenage daughter “distress” after she was asked if she needed help by a transgender employee (Man) in its bra section.

The retailer said it was “truly sorry” after the mother complained that her 14-year-old daughter had felt uncomfortable when they were approached by a trans shop assistant in the lingerie area of the shop, where they were hoping to have a bra fitting.

Although the staff member was polite, the mother said she felt it was “completely inappropriate” for her daughter to be approached by a “biological male” in that section.

In a complaint to M&S, she told the retailer: “Imagine her horror, then, when the person to approach us and ask if we needed help was a transgender ‘woman’, ie, a biological male.

“This is obviously the case: he is at least 6ft 2in tall... My daughter recoiled, so I politely declined the offer and we left immediately. She was visibly upset and said she felt ‘freaked out’.”

The following day, an M&S customer service assistant replied, apologising for the incident.

“Thank you for reaching out to us and sharing your experience,” the email said. “We deeply regret the distress your daughter felt during her visit to our store.

Fiona McAnena, director of campaigns for the human rights charity Sex Matters, which campaigns for clarity about biological sex in law and life, said
“This is what happens when a business centres the feelings of men who identify as women, even at the expense of their own customers. It is entirely inappropriate for a man to approach a teenage girl in a lingerie department.

This happened a few weeks before the HIgh Court ruling
The mother argued that the retailer’s reply fell “significantly short of the response that was required to satisfy me that M&S takes seriously the safety and dignity of women and girls”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/04/ms-apologises-over-trans-employee-in-bra-department/

[Beso]

Disgraceful

[Cherie]

Unsurprising, womens comfort and dignity are secondary to transwomen even after the Supreme Court judgement

[Crimson Dynamo]

Unsurprising, womens comfort and dignity are secondary to transwomen even after the Supreme Court judgement

This disgraceful incident happened just before the High court had to state the bleeding obvious. Id imagine all the other female employees also thought it was wrong but were too scared to go against the captured senior management ideology. Just horrible. What an environment to work in :shocked: and m&s had the cheek to (as usual) hide behind the word "inclusive"

[Zizu]

M & S have been out of touch with reality for decades … so the decision to allow a bloke to be advising young girls on their choice of underwear does not surprise me at all .


The wife drags me around M& S occasionally aa she likes their Per Una clothes ..

Anyways as I walk around the bloke’s clothes it looks like Stevie Wonder has selected the styles and colours plus everything seems suited to over 80 year olds

Don’t get me started on the ridiculous prices


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[Cherie]

This disgraceful incident happened just before the High court had to state the bleeding obvious. Id imagine all the other female employees also thought it was wrong but were too scared to go against the captured senior management ideology. Just horrible. What an environment to work in :shocked: and m&s had the cheek to (as usual) hide behind the word "inclusive"

Yeah I read it happened before the ruling, that said

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2025/08/04/labour-mps-push-back-against-trans-ruling/?msockid=26aeb14bcc4b61053e01a075cdab6040

MPs already trying to obstruct it

[Cherie]

And don't ever forget how the transactivists (mainly men) made it all about bathrooms in order to minimise the issues transwomen in womens and girls spaces pose

[Crimson Dynamo]

“It turned out that this man didn’t even work in the lingerie department...” :shocked:

Video is here: - https://x.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1953045499746893990

[Mystic Mock]

https://i2-prod.birminghammail.co.uk/article27613596.ece/ALTERNATES/s1000b/0_Opening-of-the-new-MS-store-in-Liverpool-Photo-by-Colin-Lane.jpg

Marks & Spencer has apologised to a mother for causing her teenage daughter “distress” after she was asked if she needed help by a transgender employee (Man) in its bra section.

The retailer said it was “truly sorry” after the mother complained that her 14-year-old daughter had felt uncomfortable when they were approached by a trans shop assistant in the lingerie area of the shop, where they were hoping to have a bra fitting.

Although the staff member was polite, the mother said she felt it was “completely inappropriate” for her daughter to be approached by a “biological male” in that section.

In a complaint to M&S, she told the retailer: “Imagine her horror, then, when the person to approach us and ask if we needed help was a transgender ‘woman’, ie, a biological male.

“This is obviously the case: he is at least 6ft 2in tall... My daughter recoiled, so I politely declined the offer and we left immediately. She was visibly upset and said she felt ‘freaked out’.”

The following day, an M&S customer service assistant replied, apologising for the incident.

“Thank you for reaching out to us and sharing your experience,” the email said. “We deeply regret the distress your daughter felt during her visit to our store.

Fiona McAnena, director of campaigns for the human rights charity Sex Matters, which campaigns for clarity about biological sex in law and life, said
“This is what happens when a business centres the feelings of men who identify as women, even at the expense of their own customers. It is entirely inappropriate for a man to approach a teenage girl in a lingerie department.

This happened a few weeks before the HIgh Court ruling
The mother argued that the retailer’s reply fell “significantly short of the response that was required to satisfy me that M&S takes seriously the safety and dignity of women and girls”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/04/ms-apologises-over-trans-employee-in-bra-department/

I can understand where the Mother is coming from to a point.

But there are biological women that can be taller than 6ft 2in, so her Daughter will have to be prepared for that as they're not going to be Transgender.

[Mystic Mock]

Unsurprising, womens comfort and dignity are secondary to transwomen even after the Supreme Court judgement

Did the Manager of the Store tell the Transwoman to go and see to the Mother & Daughter?

[Mystic Mock]

“It turned out that this man didn’t even work in the lingerie department...” :shocked:

Video is here: - https://x.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1953045499746893990

Oh god!:facepalm:

[Cherie]

Did the Manager of the Store tell the Transwoman to go and see to the Mother & Daughter?

I don't believe so Mock, Shelia Fogerty made a very valid point yesterday, never ever been approached in M and S to see if I needed help in any department, in fact you would be hard pushed to find anyone on the shop floor to help.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I don't believe so Mock, Shelia Fogerty made a very valid point yesterday, never ever been approached in M and S to see if I needed help in any department, in fact you would be hard pushed to find anyone on the shop floor to help.

She also wondered how many people did this person approach who were too fearful to refuse?

[Mystic Mock]

I don't believe so Mock, Shelia Fogerty made a very valid point yesterday, never ever been approached in M and S to see if I needed help in any department, in fact you would be hard pushed to find anyone on the shop floor to help.

So it's hard for this worker to explain what they were doing in that particular aisle then.

[Zizu]

“It turned out that this man didn’t even work in the lingerie department...” :shocked:

Video is here: - https://x.com/SexMattersOrg/status/1953045499746893990


This is so dreadful and on sooo many levels


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[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1946336674348138497/YKbRo0uw_400x400.jpg
J.K. Rowling @jk_rowling

Aug 6
Let me make this really easy for you, India. Lesbians belong in the women's
changing room because they're women. Cross-dressing men who offer to fit
bras on teenage girls belong in a police interview room.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GxoeIa-W4AAZY1C?format=png&name=small

[Liam-]

Trans person does their job causes outrage with their existence

[Cherie]

Trans person does their job causes outrage with their existence

It wasn't their job they were not based in that section

[Sticks]

I am surprised that M&S did not ban the woman and her daughter for transphobia as well as reporting them to the police for committing a hte crime!!!

The way some trans-activists and people in my own union, that is what I would have expected M&S to do.

[BBXX]

It wasn't their job they were not based in that section

Did you stop and think that the person was asking if she needed help so they could go and FIND someone who works in that dept? Aside from that M&S employees on the shop floor often work across all departments. They were not offering a bra fitting, they were asking if they needed assistance.


Shop worker does job, people lose their mind.
M&S throw employee under the bus.
Along with all tall women.


Do you know what's ****ing weird about this is that they cause a fuss about a shop worker asking someone is they needed help because they're trans and they're they'll get off Twitter and then get in their car and then go to their male gynaecologist and not think anything of it because it's not about someone being born male it's about someone being trans.

[Mystic Mock]

Did you stop and think that the person was asking if she needed help so they could go and FIND someone who works in that dept? Aside from that M&S employees on the shop floor work across all departments.

[/I]

Shop worker does job, people lose their mind.
M&S throw employee under the bus.
Along with all tall women.


It's good to see you back BBXX.:wavey:

[Crimson Dynamo]

No one gets lost in M&S. It's not an enchanted forest.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GxwgMwJWMAAqIy0?format=jpg&name=small

[Crimson Dynamo]

Out of curiosity, this woman popped into a nearby, large branch of M&S
Men get their own fitting rooms, women have to take a chance apparently 🙄

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GyKMxl-WMAAmh2y?format=jpg&name=360x360https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GyKMxnsXMAAObPM?format=jpg&name=small

[BBXX]

Out of curiosity, this woman popped into a nearby, large branch of M&S
Men get their own fitting rooms, women have to take a chance apparently 🙄

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GyKMxl-WMAAmh2y?format=jpg&name=360x360https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GyKMxnsXMAAObPM?format=jpg&name=small


Oh hey!

https://i.postimg.cc/63R6FQVL/temp-Image-Hg-C1x-J.avif

[BBXX]

It's good to see you back BBXX.:wavey:

Hello :wavey:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Oh hey!

https://i.postimg.cc/63R6FQVL/temp-Image-Hg-C1x-J.avif

covid pic?

[Crimson Dynamo]

No, Marks & Spencer does not have a women's-only changing room policy; they
operate a gender-neutral policy allowing customers(MEN) to choose a
fitting room they prefer. The individual fitting rooms are private, lockable
cubicles located in both the women's and men's departments, but they are not
designated as exclusively for one gender. This policy has been in place since
2019 and allows customers(MEN) to use any fitting room they are most
comfortable with.

[Beso]

covid pic?

Good times..shove a mask on to hide looking like a man, feel some tits.:shrug:

Lucky buggers.

[BBXX]

No, Marks & Spencer does not have a women's-only changing room policy; they
operate a gender-neutral policy allowing customers(MEN) to choose a
fitting room they prefer. The individual fitting rooms are private, lockable
cubicles located in both the women's and men's departments, but they are not
designated as exclusively for one gender. This policy has been in place since
2019 and allows customers(MEN) to use any fitting room they are most
comfortable with.

This is correct, they have fitting rooms in both male and female departments and let either use either due to it being individual and lockable.

[BBXX]

covid pic?

A pic taken during covid, yes. Just of the fact some fittings rooms are labelled 'Women's' to counter your image and the insinuation men have their own spaces and women do not.

Just a quick google bought it up. I am not weird enough to go into M&S and start taking photos of changing rooms.

[Crimson Dynamo]

A pic taken during covid of the fact some fittings rooms are labelled 'Women's' to counter your image and the insinuation men have their own spaces and women do not.

see above

[BBXX]

see above

Yes I've replied.

[Crimson Dynamo]

BlueMum16 · 20/04/2025 11:17

M&S changing rooms I have been in have a locked door.

I really can't see the issue who is in the next one too me ��*♂️

Mine has curtains that don't "quite" close

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hemmissus · 25/04/2025 17:25

Looked at my local store - changing room has images of women at entrance and is in women's section of store but does not indicate it is for women. Just says Fitting Room. Same for the men's - images of men at entrance.

Don't know about lingerie section changing room. Suspect changing rooms are mixed sex despite mixed message.

[Crimson Dynamo]

J.K. Rowling
@jk_rowling
It's time for women to vote with their wallets. If stores like M&S continue to flout the
Supreme Court ruling on women-only spaces, prioritising the wishes of men who want to
undress near, or help fit bras on teenage girls, a boycott seems appropriate.

[BBXX]

J.K. Rowling
@jk_rowling
It's time for women to vote with their wallets. If stores like M&S continue to flout the
Supreme Court ruling on women-only spaces, prioritising the wishes of men who want to
undress near, or help fit bras on teenage girls, a boycott seems appropriate.

Is she penning her next book? She’s literally making up stories. Tapped.

[Crimson Dynamo]

MARKS & Spencer has confirmed their bra fitting service is for customers and
staff who are “biological” women after a transgender row at a Scots store, it
can be revealed.

It comes amid the backlash over a trans employee leaving a teenager “freaked
out” after offering her help in the bra section at a store in Ayr.

They confirmed the statement referred to “biological female”.

Human Rights charity Sex Matters says the retailer has prioritised the “feelings
of men” over their female customers, who make up almost 60 per cent of their
customer base.

“No matter how well-intentioned, policies built on the falsehood that ‘trans
women are women’ inevitably compromise other people’s rights.

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/15222575/ms-bra-fittings-teen-freaked-out-trans-worker-scots/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebarweb

[Cherie]

Pennys dropped as to who their customer base is

[Glenn.]

Is there any actual evidence the shop worker was transgender?
Does a woman being 6ft 2 mean they’re transgender now?

[Mystic Mock]

No one gets lost in M&S. It's not an enchanted forest.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GxwgMwJWMAAqIy0?format=jpg&name=small

I don't know, I've been lost in there a few times.:worry:

[Mystic Mock]

Is she penning her next book? She’s literally making up stories. Tapped.

It's called Harry Potter And Hermoine's journey into M&S.

But seriously, I do like her Harry Potter stuff, I have got to do a rewatch of the Films eventually.

[Crimson Dynamo]

and they have sacked that far left hag Dawn French

Things are looking up for M & S :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

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Marks & Spencer has apologised to a mother for causing her teenage daughter “distress” after she was asked if she needed help by a transgender employee (Man) in its bra section.

The retailer said it was “truly sorry” after the mother complained that her 14-year-old daughter had felt uncomfortable when they were approached by a trans shop assistant in the lingerie area of the shop, where they were hoping to have a bra fitting.

Although the staff member was polite, the mother said she felt it was “completely inappropriate” for her daughter to be approached by a “biological male” in that section.

In a complaint to M&S, she told the retailer: “Imagine her horror, then, when the person to approach us and ask if we needed help was a transgender ‘woman’, ie, a biological male.

“This is obviously the case: he is at least 6ft 2in tall... My daughter recoiled, so I politely declined the offer and we left immediately. She was visibly upset and said she felt ‘freaked out’.”

The following day, an M&S customer service assistant replied, apologising for the incident.

“Thank you for reaching out to us and sharing your experience,” the email said. “We deeply regret the distress your daughter felt during her visit to our store.

Fiona McAnena, director of campaigns for the human rights charity Sex Matters, which campaigns for clarity about biological sex in law and life, said
“This is what happens when a business centres the feelings of men who identify as women, even at the expense of their own customers. It is entirely inappropriate for a man to approach a teenage girl in a lingerie department.

This happened a few weeks before the HIgh Court ruling
The mother argued that the retailer’s reply fell “significantly short of the response that was required to satisfy me that M&S takes seriously the safety and dignity of women and girls”.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2025/08/04/ms-apologises-over-trans-employee-in-bra-department/

I just want to add that I hate Mannequins or anything like them.:laugh:

Off-topic I know, but I felt that it had to be said.

[BBXX]

and they have sacked that far left hag Dawn French

Funny how you only care about misogyny when you can level the accusation at minorities.

Almost like you don't care about it at all. :eyes:

[Crimson Dynamo]

So just like Summerhall Arts, Marks and Spencer has now backed down as soon
as they realised they would be hit in the pocket - certain "principles" seem to
go out the window rather quickly when it comes to 💰


Inclooshun only works if it makes money

[Glenn.]

The trans women has posted about her experience.

Hi, I am the transgender manager in M&S who has been written about in the papers and online recently. I want people to know what actually happened because there are so many lies in the articles.

About March/ April I was working a usual shift in the Fashion home and beauty department of the store, basically overseeing that everything was going well.

While I was taking bra returns from the till point and into the lingerie section of our store I saw on the walkway between lingerie and Menswear a lady and a teenage child looking confused/ for a colleague. I smiled, and said ‘Hi, can I help at all?’

The customer said ‘no thanks’ (or something to that effect, it was 4/5 months ago and I deal with a lot of customers) and left. I didn’t think anything of it and went to put the bras away.

I am not a trained bra fitter, nor do I want to be. Therefore I am not allowed to give any advice or take a bra measurement. I had zero intention of doing anything of the sort, I did assume they were looking for a bra fit appointment so if they hadn’t left, I would have called up the trained bra fitter on shift and directed them to her.

I said absolutely nothing that would show intent of me wanting to personally measure her teenage daughter’s chest.

I also want to say that everyone who I work with knows I am transgender, because I do have a very deep voice and I am quite tall (5”11 not 6”2) and every single person in my store is supportive and accepting of who I am, including my boss, the other managers, and every colleague in every part of the store. At times my workplace is the only safe space in my life which is a bit sad.

A couple weeks later, my boss calls me into her office and says she has received a complaint about this interaction. She had to make sure I did not give any bra fit advice which I did not (and the articles also say I did not too which is one of the only things that they got right). I got very upset because the customers complaint had systematically attacked every part of my being that I hate and cannot control, saying I had a ‘deep booming masculine voice’ and ‘extremely masculine facial features underneath my makeup’. My boss sent away the complaint saying I did nothing wrong and that she and the regional manager are on my side.

End of story, I hoped.

In between the time of the complaint and the first article being published I had gotten Facial Feminisation Surgery done, which again everyone was super supportive of (and everyone also loved the results and being part of the journey) They got me a box of chocolates and a card full of extremely thoughtful messages that I kept by my bedside in hospital. My Boss also got me a heart bracelet that I wear to work every day.

It was my first day back from holiday when my boss called me into her office and told me about the article written in the papers. She got emotional on my behalf which really touched me, said another manager had ripped up and thrown out all the papers with this article in it in our store, and that the regional manager was on his way to personally talk to me regarding this. He also brought a message of support from HIS boss too, the Scotland stores director who has also personally gotten in touch with me.

He clarified that the customer services department had issued an apology to the customer before they actually had the full story, and that the apology had been redacted once my boss and the regional manager set the record straight, saying any colleague can train to be a bra fitter and can work in any section of the store. However, the article writer did not say this, instead insinuating to everyone reading that M&S was not on my side when in fact the whole company is showing their absolute support to me.

I’d like to point out that neither the lingerie department nor the walkway between lingerie and menswear where I asked the customer if she needed any help are ‘Women only’ places. Men historically have been shopping in the lingerie department for their significant others for decades, and how would Men or anyone not identifying as a woman be able to reach the menswear section if it’s walkway was ‘Women only?’

At no point during any shift do I invade any ‘single sex spaces’: our fitting rooms are also gender neutral, and while my job entails me to check on the condition of the fitting rooms (basically if customers have left clothing lying on the floor/ left hangers) I certainly do NOT enter one that is occupied. My sole aim is to provide a clean, accessible area where customers can try on something that they’ve liked the look of.

As far as I’m aware, M&S have not restricted the bra fit service to ‘Women only’ both from a customer and a colleague point of view. Anybody in our store can be trained as a bra fitter, regardless of gender identity, and any customer who feels they would gain benefit from the service can book an appointment, regardless of gender identity. That is perhaps the biggest lie of the most recent article which has ruined my day off.

While it’s easy to go and file complaints against M&S for seemingly being ‘transphobic’, I can say that I have had nothing but an outpouring of support from everyone in the company, and this has not changed my position or the way any of my colleagues see me, people who have also shown incredible support to me during this time. The real enemy are tabloid newspapers twisting stories so that they can attack us, and spread hurtful information that just isn’t true while turning a profit.

M&S respects me as a trans woman, and most importantly, as the hard working, focussed, and customer-driven colleague that I am. ������

[Mystic Mock]

The trans women has posted about her experience.

Hi, I am the transgender manager in M&S who has been written about in the papers and online recently. I want people to know what actually happened because there are so many lies in the articles.

About March/ April I was working a usual shift in the Fashion home and beauty department of the store, basically overseeing that everything was going well.

While I was taking bra returns from the till point and into the lingerie section of our store I saw on the walkway between lingerie and Menswear a lady and a teenage child looking confused/ for a colleague. I smiled, and said ‘Hi, can I help at all?’

The customer said ‘no thanks’ (or something to that effect, it was 4/5 months ago and I deal with a lot of customers) and left. I didn’t think anything of it and went to put the bras away.

I am not a trained bra fitter, nor do I want to be. Therefore I am not allowed to give any advice or take a bra measurement. I had zero intention of doing anything of the sort, I did assume they were looking for a bra fit appointment so if they hadn’t left, I would have called up the trained bra fitter on shift and directed them to her.

I said absolutely nothing that would show intent of me wanting to personally measure her teenage daughter’s chest.

I also want to say that everyone who I work with knows I am transgender, because I do have a very deep voice and I am quite tall (5”11 not 6”2) and every single person in my store is supportive and accepting of who I am, including my boss, the other managers, and every colleague in every part of the store. At times my workplace is the only safe space in my life which is a bit sad.

A couple weeks later, my boss calls me into her office and says she has received a complaint about this interaction. She had to make sure I did not give any bra fit advice which I did not (and the articles also say I did not too which is one of the only things that they got right). I got very upset because the customers complaint had systematically attacked every part of my being that I hate and cannot control, saying I had a ‘deep booming masculine voice’ and ‘extremely masculine facial features underneath my makeup’. My boss sent away the complaint saying I did nothing wrong and that she and the regional manager are on my side.

End of story, I hoped.

In between the time of the complaint and the first article being published I had gotten Facial Feminisation Surgery done, which again everyone was super supportive of (and everyone also loved the results and being part of the journey) They got me a box of chocolates and a card full of extremely thoughtful messages that I kept by my bedside in hospital. My Boss also got me a heart bracelet that I wear to work every day.

It was my first day back from holiday when my boss called me into her office and told me about the article written in the papers. She got emotional on my behalf which really touched me, said another manager had ripped up and thrown out all the papers with this article in it in our store, and that the regional manager was on his way to personally talk to me regarding this. He also brought a message of support from HIS boss too, the Scotland stores director who has also personally gotten in touch with me.

He clarified that the customer services department had issued an apology to the customer before they actually had the full story, and that the apology had been redacted once my boss and the regional manager set the record straight, saying any colleague can train to be a bra fitter and can work in any section of the store. However, the article writer did not say this, instead insinuating to everyone reading that M&S was not on my side when in fact the whole company is showing their absolute support to me.

I’d like to point out that neither the lingerie department nor the walkway between lingerie and menswear where I asked the customer if she needed any help are ‘Women only’ places. Men historically have been shopping in the lingerie department for their significant others for decades, and how would Men or anyone not identifying as a woman be able to reach the menswear section if it’s walkway was ‘Women only?’

At no point during any shift do I invade any ‘single sex spaces’: our fitting rooms are also gender neutral, and while my job entails me to check on the condition of the fitting rooms (basically if customers have left clothing lying on the floor/ left hangers) I certainly do NOT enter one that is occupied. My sole aim is to provide a clean, accessible area where customers can try on something that they’ve liked the look of.

As far as I’m aware, M&S have not restricted the bra fit service to ‘Women only’ both from a customer and a colleague point of view. Anybody in our store can be trained as a bra fitter, regardless of gender identity, and any customer who feels they would gain benefit from the service can book an appointment, regardless of gender identity. That is perhaps the biggest lie of the most recent article which has ruined my day off.

While it’s easy to go and file complaints against M&S for seemingly being ‘transphobic’, I can say that I have had nothing but an outpouring of support from everyone in the company, and this has not changed my position or the way any of my colleagues see me, people who have also shown incredible support to me during this time. The real enemy are tabloid newspapers twisting stories so that they can attack us, and spread hurtful information that just isn’t true while turning a profit.

M&S respects me as a trans woman, and most importantly, as the hard working, focussed, and customer-driven colleague that I am. ������

Tbh, it's a good response.

I'm interested to hear how the M&S high ups respond to this.

[Cherie]

While I was taking bra returns from the till point and into the lingerie section of our store I saw on the walkway between lingerie and Menswear a lady and a teenage child looking confused/ for a colleague. I smiled, and said ‘Hi, can I help at all?’

They were confused ...:laugh: if this was two teenagers I might buy that, but not an adult woman and her daughter, also there seems to be an awful lot of managers involved in a minor complaint, I wonder if all complaints receive such attention

[Crimson Dynamo]

I mean it reads like fan fiction the only bit he missed out was that every one clapped him. :laugh:Its from Reddit so no idea if its true - if it is its revisionism at its finest

But the story isn't about him its about M&S and will continue to be about M&S

[Oliver_W]

Just imagine if that person had approached the girl after the FFS surgery, no-one would have ever known.

[Beso]

At least he's made it to a managerial position.

[Liam-]

Transphobes won’t be happy until trans people are wiped completely from society, this poor person was just doing their job and has had the hounds set on them purely for existing, it’s utterly shameful but sadly not at all surprising

[Zizu]

When exactly did trans people come into existence … and why ?


Back in the day we had blokes and women , gay blokes and lesbians and a few drag queens on telly who were liked by some women for whatever reasons


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[Glenn.]

When exactly did trans people come into existence … and why ?


Back in the day we had blokes and women , gay blokes and lesbians and a few drag queens on telly who were liked by some women for whatever reasons


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Ancient history
• 2000 BCE, Mesopotamia: Gala priests of the goddess Inanna lived in feminine roles despite being male-assigned at birth.
• 1500 BCE, India: Early references to Hijras, a recognized third gender in Hindu texts.

Classical era
• 5th century BCE, Greece: The poet Phrynichus mentions people living as women after being male-assigned.
• Roman Empire: Accounts of people adopting different gender roles, often mocked in literature but clearly present.

Medieval period
• 9th–15th centuries: Records across Europe show individuals living as a gender different from their assigned one, sometimes revealed only at death or through court cases.
• Middle East: Poetic and medical texts describe gender diversity, often linked to intersex and trans experiences.

Early modern era
• 1700s: Chevalier d’Éon, a French diplomat, lived much of their life publicly as a woman and was accepted at the royal court.
• 1800s: Dr. James Barry, a British army surgeon, lived his life as a man and was only revealed to be assigned female at death.

20th century
• 1930: Dora Richter in Germany underwent some of the first recorded gender-affirming surgeries.
• 1950s: Christine Jorgensen became internationally known after her transition, bringing the word “transsexual” into public awareness.
• 1969: Trans women of colour like Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera were central to the Stonewall uprising in New York.

21st century
• 2000s onwards: Legal recognition of third genders in South Asia, Two-Spirit revival among Native American communities, wider access to medical transition, and broader visibility of trans people globally.

Trans people have existed for at least 4,000 years across cultures. What’s new isn’t trans identity—it’s the visibility, rights, and language to talk about it openly.

[Zizu]

Just imagine if that person had approached the girl after the FFS surgery, no-one would have ever known.


They would when a 6’2” woman with a gruff voice spoke to them..


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[Zizu]

Ancient history
•2000 BCE, Mesopotamia: Gala priests of the goddess Inanna lived in feminine roles despite being male-assigned at birth.
•1500 BCE, India: Early references to Hijras, a recognized third gender in Hindu texts.

Classical era
•5th century BCE, Greece: The poet Phrynichus mentions people living as women after being male-assigned.
•Roman Empire: Accounts of people adopting different gender roles, often mocked in literature but clearly present.

Medieval period
•9th–15th centuries: Records across Europe show individuals living as a gender different from their assigned one, sometimes revealed only at death or through court cases.
•Middle East: Poetic and medical texts describe gender diversity, often linked to intersex and trans experiences.

Early modern era
•1700s: Chevalier d’Éon, a French diplomat, lived much of their life publicly as a woman and was accepted at the royal court.
•1800s: Dr. James Barry, a British army surgeon, lived his life as a man and was only revealed to be assigned female at death.

20th century
•1930: Dora Richter in Germany underwent some of the first recorded gender-affirming surgeries.
•1950s: Christine Jorgensen became internationally known after her transition, bringing the word “transsexual” into public awareness.
•1969: Trans women of colour like Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera were central to the Stonewall uprising in New York.

21st century
•2000s onwards: Legal recognition of third genders in South Asia, Two-Spirit revival among Native American communities, wider access to medical transition, and broader visibility of trans people globally.

Trans people have existed for at least 4,000 years across cultures. What’s new isn’t trans identity—it’s the visibility, rights, and language to talk about it openly.


So about 7 actual people out of 8 billion

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Also …… New York , Greece , France , Germany .. etc etc etc

What about good old England ?


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[BBXX]

So about 7 actual people out of 8 billion

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Also …… New York , Greece , France , Germany .. etc etc etc

What about good old England ?


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Why are you relying on someone on a Big Brother forum to educate you on the history of trans people, why do you read a book or do a Google search.

[BBXX]

Thanks for posting that Glenn. it's good to hear the other side of the story (of someone who was actually there). I'm glad she was supported so much by her team. Sounds like she very much values her job and the joy it brings her. Good for her.

I think it was plainly obvious from the article all she was ask if they needed help (the article doesn't even state she did anything more?) so why people are pretending she did is a bit weird! Do people really think if she tried to do anything more it would be omitted from the article?

[Zizu]

Why are you relying on someone on a Big Brother forum to educate you on the history of trans people, why do you read a book or do a Google search.


Probably because I don’t care enough

Its all a load of bollox at the end of the day and has zero impact on my life ( thankfully)


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[Glenn.]

So about 7 actual people out of 8 billion

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Also …… New York , Greece , France , Germany .. etc etc etc

What about good old England ?


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Medieval to early modern England
• Records exist of people living as a gender different from their assigned one. Some were only discovered after death or in court cases.
• Eleanor Rykener (1394): A known case in London, Rykener was arrested for sex work while living as a woman despite being assigned male at birth. The court records describe her living socially as female.

18th–19th century
• Several cases of people assigned female at birth living as men. They worked as soldiers, sailors, or tradesmen, often marrying women. Some were only found out after death.
• James Barry (1790s–1865): Born assigned female, Barry lived his entire adult life as a man, becoming a leading British army surgeon and reformer. His assigned sex was only revealed after death.

20th century
• 1940s: Roberta Cowell, a World War II fighter pilot, later became the first known British trans woman to undergo gender-affirming surgery in the 1950s.
• 1960s: April Ashley became one of the first well-known trans models in Britain. Her divorce case (1970) set restrictive legal precedents about gender identity.
• 1990s–2000s: Legal battles for recognition. The European Court of Human Rights ruled against the UK, leading to the Gender Recognition Act 2004, allowing trans people to legally change gender.

21st century
• 2010: Equality Act protected trans people from discrimination.
• 2020s: Fierce debates in media and politics, but trans people are increasingly visible in public life, activism, and culture.

Key point: Trans people in England aren’t new. From Eleanor Rykener in 1394 to James Barry in the 1800s to Roberta Cowell in the 20th century, they’ve always lived here. What’s changed is how the law and society treat them, not their existence.

Took 30 seconds to google

[Glenn.]

Probably because I don’t care enough

Its all a load of bollox at the end of the day and has zero impact on my life ( thankfully)


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Why are you posting in here then. Go away

[BBXX]

Probably because I don’t care enough

Its all a load of bollox at the end of the day and has zero impact on my life ( thankfully)


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Having opinions on topics you know nothing about and don't care about seems odd but go off I guess!

[Zizu]

Having opinions on topics you know nothing about and don't care about seems odd but go off I guess!


An opinion is simply that … an opinion


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[BBXX]

So about 7 actual people out of 8 billion

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Do you think that records only exist for the trans people that existed? Or could you concede there would be many trans people who existed who hid away, lived a different life or were never reported due to the way trans people have been treated throughout history.

Perhaps look at left handedness in the early 1900s compared to now. Only about 3-4% of were reported to be left handed, compared to around 12% now.

Of course, when we look at what it meant to be left-handed then compared to now we can see that the rise isn't down to anything other than more people 'admitting' to being so because they're no longer treated like they are abnormal, incestuous, evil or have their left hand tied behind their back to encourage right handed writing.

[Beso]

He's got it easy..years gone by he would have been burnt at the stake, or drowned on a dunking stool.

[Sticks]

So is trans the same a Genderdismorphia???

[Barry.]

Wow the transphobia is real

[Sticks]

Wow the transphobia is real

It was a medical term I once heard of, along with Body-Dismorphia.

I know that many years ago, the International Centre for Disease Control in one of its ICD documents once listed homosexuality as a disease, sort of. It no longer does in these more enlightened times.

The terms sounded like they would be in an ICD document. (I think we are now up to ICD12)

[Mystic Mock]

Ancient history
• 2000 BCE, Mesopotamia: Gala priests of the goddess Inanna lived in feminine roles despite being male-assigned at birth.
• 1500 BCE, India: Early references to Hijras, a recognized third gender in Hindu texts.

Classical era
• 5th century BCE, Greece: The poet Phrynichus mentions people living as women after being male-assigned.
• Roman Empire: Accounts of people adopting different gender roles, often mocked in literature but clearly present.

Medieval period
• 9th–15th centuries: Records across Europe show individuals living as a gender different from their assigned one, sometimes revealed only at death or through court cases.
• Middle East: Poetic and medical texts describe gender diversity, often linked to intersex and trans experiences.

Early modern era
• 1700s: Chevalier d’Éon, a French diplomat, lived much of their life publicly as a woman and was accepted at the royal court.
• 1800s: Dr. James Barry, a British army surgeon, lived his life as a man and was only revealed to be assigned female at death.

20th century
• 1930: Dora Richter in Germany underwent some of the first recorded gender-affirming surgeries.
• 1950s: Christine Jorgensen became internationally known after her transition, bringing the word “transsexual” into public awareness.
• 1969: Trans women of colour like Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera were central to the Stonewall uprising in New York.

21st century
• 2000s onwards: Legal recognition of third genders in South Asia, Two-Spirit revival among Native American communities, wider access to medical transition, and broader visibility of trans people globally.

Trans people have existed for at least 4,000 years across cultures. What’s new isn’t trans identity—it’s the visibility, rights, and language to talk about it openly.

I was thinking of Mesopotamia.

[Mystic Mock]

They would when a 6’2” woman with a gruff voice spoke to them..


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There are tall biological women.

Like on the last Season of BBUSA for example there was a contestant called Makensy who was really tall, and she definitely is a woman.