Sailor attacks musical about her life after actors hijack ending with trans protest

[Cherie]

A British female sailor has criticised a musical based on her life story after the cast members used their platform to stage a pro-trans fundraiser.

Tracy Edwards made history in 1989 when she captained the Maiden, leading the first all-female yacht crew in the Whitbread Round the World Race.

But she has criticised the musical based on the race, called Maiden Voyage, after cast members used a curtain call to fundraise for a charity that supports transgender inclusion in women’s sports on the night she attended.

Ms Edwards has been public with her opposition to the inclusion of transgender women – biological males – in women’s competitions and changing rooms.

They allegedly chose the night Ms Edwards was in the audience for the show, running at the Southwark Playhouse, to make a public plea for funds.

Footage from the night showed one performer urging the audience on Aug 12 to give to Pride Sports, the “LGBTIQ+ inclusion charity working to make sports a welcoming place for everyone”.

This charity publicly opposed moves to ban transgender women from female competitions, including the FA’s new rules barring trans players from women’s and girls’ football leagues.

Some members of the cast were said to be uncomfortable with Ms Edwards’ positions on women’s rights, sport and her opposition to gender ideology – the belief that self-identification rather than biological sex defines womanhood.

This led to some trouble behind the scenes in the days before a group of cast members made their on-stage appeal, and there were concerns about a potential protest or “nastiness”.

Ms Edwards said: “They had not done it before, or on other dates. It was for my benefit.”

She added: “They are in a little bubble, and I don’t think they think for themselves. They are not activists; they are sheep.

“The irony of spending 90 minutes singing and dancing in celebration of women fighting for their rights in sport, only to trample all over those rights at the end, is off the scale.”

Ms Edwards is concerned that, because it took place after a show about her life, her name has effectively been used to fundraise for a cause without her permission.

She had no official affiliation with the musical and played no part in its production, but was invited to advise on some factual points about her voyage, work she called “a favour”.

It is understood that producers have assured Ms Edwards that, should any future fundraising occur, all proceeds will be given to her charity, The Maiden Factor Foundation, which funds girls’ educational programmes around the world.

This also seeks to inspire young girls, in the spirit of the all-female Maiden voyage of 1989, which came second in its class overall. The voyage was encouraged by King Hussein I of Jordan, who had met Ms Edwards during a chance encounter on a yacht.

Heather Binning, the founder of the gender-critical Women’s Rights Network, said: “Tracy Edwards is an icon for women who proved her mettle in the male-dominated world of sailing with an all-woman crew, astonishing many, and celebrated by many more.

“To use and exploit that achievement is an insult to women everywhere, and particularly to Tracy herself.

“To try to score woke points by making a statement in support of a so-called ‘trans’ project is quite beyond belief.”

Representatives of the production have been contacted for comment.

[Cherie]

Is it just me, or maybe if these actors were uncomfortable they should not have been in the show and given up their place for someone else? cake and eat it comes to mind

The disrespect shown to Tracy is unforgivable

[BBXX]

People need to remember that In the UK, approximately 0.13% of the population identifies as transgender women.

The level of conversation around this demographic is completely disproportionate. If people stopped talking against them and got some perspective others wouldn't have to continue to speak up for them. Talk about obsessed.

[Cherie]

People need to remember that In the UK, approximately 0.13% of the population identifies as transgender women.

The level of conversation around this demographic is completely disproportionate. If people stopped talking against them and got some perspective others wouldn't have to continue to speak up for them. Talk about obsessed.

eh? why did the cast need to make such a gesture then, its trans activists that are obsessed

[Cherie]

I think this is the pertinent part of the report

Some members of the cast were said to be uncomfortable with Ms Edwards’ positions on women’s rights, sport and her opposition to gender ideology – the belief that self-identification rather than biological sex defines womanhood.

This led to some trouble behind the scenes in the days before a group of cast members made their on-stage appeal, and there were concerns about a potential protest or “nastiness”.

Ms Edwards said: “They had not done it before, or on other dates. It was for my benefit.”

She added: “They are in a little bubble, and I don’t think they think for themselves. They are not activists; they are sheep.


who would you say are obsessed in this case BBXX

[BBXX]

I think this is the pertinent part of the report

Some members of the cast were said to be uncomfortable with Ms Edwards’ positions on women’s rights, sport and her opposition to gender ideology – the belief that self-identification rather than biological sex defines womanhood.

This led to some trouble behind the scenes in the days before a group of cast members made their on-stage appeal, and there were concerns about a potential protest or “nastiness”.

Ms Edwards said: “They had not done it before, or on other dates. It was for my benefit.”

She added: “They are in a little bubble, and I don’t think they think for themselves. They are not activists; they are sheep.


who would you say are obsessed in this case BBXX

If trans people weren’t constantly under attack, if their identity wasn’t constantly questioned, if their movements weren’t scrutiny to political debate then trans activists wouldn’t exist.

You contribute to the rhetoric that creates what you’re complaining about.

[Cherie]

If trans people weren’t constantly under attack, if their identity wasn’t constantly questioned, if their movements weren’t scrutiny to political debate then trans activists wouldn’t exist.

You contribute to the rhetoric that creates what you’re complaining about.

Well its certainly a view :umm2: maybe we should just shut up and they wont erode our rights....great lets see how that goes for us :laugh:

Interesting you quote figures...0.13% yet women were suggested to use disabled facilities to accommodate this percentage....

[BBXX]

Well its certainly a view :umm2: maybe we should just shut up and they wont erode our rights....great lets see how that goes for us :laugh:

Interesting you quote figures...0.13% yet women were suggested to use disabled facilities to accommodate this percentage....

It’s would not be to accommodate that percentage, it would be to manage their own uncomfortability against a group of people who are no actual threat. It’s personal preservation based on personal opinion because other people should be allowed to exist.

The idea you think 0.13% could be responsible for the rights of 50.75% of the population being taken away is laughable. You’ve been fed lies and hyperbole and you’ve fallen for it. Sorry to tell you.

The actual rights of women are under threat by the same group of people who say the same things about trans people that you do. How you do not see it blows my mind, but in the fight against trans people you’ve aligned yourself with the very group that will - and in other western countries have - stripped women of ACTUAL human rights.

[BBXX]

And just incase the point is missed, the people who you mock for needing safe spaces against right-wing anti-abortion politicians; the middle-class white protestors supporting Palestine that are ridiculed, the trans activists you criticise, the gay men you accuse of hating women because they stick up for trans women… those very same groups of people will often be the same groups of people to walk alongside women in support of their rights and will largely be the same people who protest anti-abortion rhetoric or fight for women’s access to safe healthcare…

Because I tell you who it won’t be - it won’t be people who rally against trans people and it won’t be people who camp outside Migrant hotels with signs reading “protect are kids”, I promise you.

[Mystic Mock]

People need to remember that In the UK, approximately 0.13% of the population identifies as transgender women.

The level of conversation around this demographic is completely disproportionate. If people stopped talking against them and got some perspective others wouldn't have to continue to speak up for them. Talk about obsessed.

I agree with some of what you're saying, in particular there are much bigger things going on in this world than Transgender stuff, but it seems to be the most popular topic alongside immigration.

However this crew are trying to encourage Transwomen to take part in women's Sports, which is wrong imo.

[BBXX]

I agree with some of what you're saying, in particular there are much bigger things going on in this world than Transgender stuff, but it seems to be the most popular topic alongside immigration.

And that should raise alarm bells. The media and politicians have led people to believe the biggest risks to civilians are trans woman, who are around 0.13% of the population and illegal immigrants, who make up about 1% of the population.

They are two groups with little to no legislative or political power or influence, and yet they are the people who are a risk to our society - apparently. It’s called misdirection.

However this crew are trying to encourage Transwomen to take part in women's Sports, which is wrong imo.

A couple of questions - have you watched the clip of them asking for donations and have you researched what the charity in question does?

Campaigning for fairness for trans women in women’s sports is one part of the many things that charity does - another aspect for example is ensuring lesbians (women) feel safe, included and supported in sports clubs. They do this because less than half of lesbians feel sports clubs are a welcoming, inclusive place and therefore 2/3rds lesbians who want to be active are taking part in non-sports physical actively. Part of their campaigning is to change that. Sounds great for women, right?

The woman at the end speaking about the donations didn’t ever specifically mention trans people in women’s sports. Yet here we are, talking about trans people again because the media told us they’re a problem.

Did you know a documentary was going to be made about men entering women’s sports teams and the producers found it so difficult and didn’t find any men to go through the 3 years of medical treatments that instead they made it a piece of fiction.

If a thing people are complaining about has to be created as a work of fiction, how much of an issue actually is it?

[Crimson Dynamo]

women and girls are 50 % of the population

if we want to talk about misdirection

:skull:

[Niamh.]

So basically it's ok for trans people to talk about their rights but women should just be quiet if we feel our rights are being affected because theres less trans women than women? Um no.

[Beso]

And just incase the point is missed, the people who you mock for needing safe spaces against right-wing anti-abortion politicians; the middle-class white protestors supporting Palestine that are ridiculed, the trans activists you criticise, the gay men you accuse of hating women because they stick up for trans women… those very same groups of people will often be the same groups of people to walk alongside women in support of their rights and will largely be the same people who protest anti-abortion rhetoric or fight for women’s access to safe healthcare…

Because I tell you who it won’t be - it won’t be people who rally against trans people and it won’t be people who camp outside Migrant hotels with signs reading “protect are kids”, I promise you.




I dont agree those people are sticking up for anything, all they are out protesting for is anything they think is a right wing stand point. They don't give 2 shades of **** about the things they protest about, like Gaza, and the migrants.

To say nobody at these anti immigration rallies would stand along side women to fight for their rights is ridicous considering a fair number of them are women themselves.

Some of these trans are pathetic, I saw one attack that bloke who has the placard on with a pair of scissors, simply because they couldn't handle his view point and opinion about trans women in women's sport.

Had to laugh, she/He is ranting away at him before lunging at him. She/He was with his sister at the time, trying to make this massive point as the sister kept calling the trans women her brother.


Honestly, they are dangerous lunatics most of them, especially the activists. They cant even go to punk festivals without attacking innocent members of the public simply for having a flag of his nation.


The modern day anarchists. Useless,pathetic dangerous and thick as ****.

[BBXX]

So basically it's ok for trans people to talk about their rights but women should just be quiet if we feel our rights are being affected because theres less trans women than women? Um no.

Um no. Trans women aren't a threat to your rights, you're just being told they are and you're believing it. You're being told they are by the people who are actually a threat to women's rights.

You know, the same sort of rhetoric around trans people used to be about gay people, and black people and women.

[BBXX]

women and girls are 50 % of the population

if we want to talk about misdirection

:skull:

People make a point.

[BBXX]

To say nobody at these anti immigration rallies would stand along side women to fight for their rights is ridicous considering a fair number of them are women themselves.


I said walking alongside women.


Some of these trans are pathetic, I saw one attack that bloke who has the placard on with a pair of scissors, simply because they couldn't handle his view point and opinion about trans women in women's sport.

Had to laugh, she is ranting away at him before lunging at him. She was with her sister at the time, trying to make this massive point as the sister kept calling the trans women her brother.

Honestly, they are dangerous lunatics most of them, especially the activists. They cant even go to punk festivals without attacking innocent members of the public simply for having a flag of his nation.


Yes, as I've said before extremists exist in all demographics.

[Beso]

I said walking alongside women.



Yes, as I've said before extremists exist in all demographics.

It was a borther and sister out shopping, hardly extremists.


Quick question, something that's always confused me. They keep shouting trans right....my question is, what rights do I have that they don't?

[BBXX]

It was a borther and sister out shopping, hardly extremists.


Eh? Extremism is decided by how they act, behave and respond to situations. Extremists are also allowed to go shopping


Quick question, something that's always confused me. They keep shouting trans right....my question is, what rights do I have that they don't?

When we talk about gay rights, trans rights and women's rights we are by and large talking about social rights (in the UK) rather than legal rights. There are plenty of social rights that straight men have that women don't, gay people don't and trans people don't.

If someone's identity if up for political debate, there is always a risk of certain rights being removed. Gay peoples identity is seen as political. Women's identities are often seen as political. The identity of trans people is seen as political.

Having politicians discuss what rights you should and shouldn't have based on characteristics you have no control creates a continuous threat. Rights can move back and forth, as they have done in other Western countries and therefore there always needs to be a fight. At the point those identities stopped being a talking point, stopped being political and stopped being up for debate in the same way it is for being straight or being a man, then perhaps we can stop talking about "xxxxx rights".

Moreover, when we talk about 'rights' we don't just mean here. We mean around the World. 70 countries criminalise people for being trans. 64 countries criminalise people for being gay. Sometimes by death. It's part of a larger conversation.

[Beso]

When we talk about gay rights, trans rights and women's rights we are by and large talking about social rights (in the UK) rather than legal rights. There are plenty of social rights that straight men have that women don't, gay people don't and trans people don't.


Moreover, when we talk about 'rights' we don't just mean here. We mean around the World. 70 countries criminalise people for being trans. 64 countries criminalise people for being gay. Sometimes by death. It's part of a larger conversation.



What social rights are these then that a straight white male has over a gay male or women or anyone trans, cause all i'm seeing is people not trans or gay being cancelled at things like the Edinburgh fringe, or perhaps for something said on tv or radio..



The next paragraph..again I don't think they give two ***** about anyone in any other country, if they did their placards and banners and chants would reflect that, but they don't.. :shrug: surely they would be protesting outside the embassies of those nation's, and not outside hotels in support of them housing people from those nations.


Gay, trans, women are all further protected by hate speech laws..can you honestly say a straight white male is afforded the same protection from these laws?

[Cherie]

Um no. Trans women aren't a threat to your rights, you're just being told they are and you're believing it. You're being told they are by the people who are actually a threat to women's rights.

You know, the same sort of rhetoric around trans people used to be about gay people, and black people and women.


Er no there is evidence of rapists transwomen being put in womens prisons

There is evidence of transwomen going into gyms and exposing themselves

There is evidence of transwomen heading up Rape Crisis Centres

There is evidence of transwomen cheating in womens sports

[Vicky.]

Er no there is evidence of rapists transwomen being put in womens prisons

There is evidence of transwomen going into gyms and exposing themselves

There is evidence of transwomen heading up Rape Crisis Centres

There is evidence of transwomen cheating in womens sports

Not enough though. We should just ignore those ones. Womens rights are unaffected when given to all. Shut up bigot

[Niamh.]

Um no. Trans women aren't a threat to your rights, you're just being told they are and you're believing it. You're being told they are by the people who are actually a threat to women's rights.



You know, the same sort of rhetoric around trans people used to be about gay people, and black people and women.

Black people and gay people never interfered with other people's rights though. You're an advocate for "trans rights" yet you have even admitted preceived trans rights sometimes interfered with women's rights. I have my own mind by the way no one is telling me what to think

[BBXX]

What social rights are these then that a straight white male has over a gay male or women or anyone trans, cause all i'm seeing is people not trans or gay being cancelled at things like the Edinburgh fringe, or perhaps for something said on tv or radio..

From just a gay perspective:

Straight couples aren't scared of holding hands in public for fear of being attacked.
There is no conversion therapy for stopping straight people being straight.
Heterosexual couples/people can be represented in media without in being called "woke"
Heterosexual people can be hired without it being looked at as a diversity hire.
Heterosexual sex education and safety is taught widely without issue.
Heterosexual people aren't shunned from family for being straight.


You're also missing a really crucial point - gay people only have equal laws and certain protections because of talking about rights.

You have to remember that a lot of this progress is actually relatively recent. We've only been allowed to join the army since 2000. Marriage for gay people in UK has only been legal for just over a decade and in N. Ireland for half that time. Sexually active gay people could only start donating blood in 2020 because of discriminatory rules for crying out loud.

Progress has happened, but progress can also be temporary and reversed, and therefore until the point we are confident it is neither, people will continue to rally it.

Think of it this way... you work full time in a factory and in the past due to lack of safety regulations, that factory has a history of burning down, killing some of your colleagues. New owners come on board and the subject of safety measures come up and you make sure they know that the new safety measures have prevent fires and prevented deaths. This happens every four years and the subject of the safety measures is an ongoing topic throughout and so you keep on talking about it because it seems it's always up for discussion. Particularly because the owners are friends with other factory's owners elsewhere who have actually reduced safety measures and they're advocating for them to do the same otherwise they might put your prices up.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/trump-jd-vance-trade-deal-free-speech-b2733806.html

Gay, trans, women are all further protected by hate speech laws..can you honestly say a straight white male is afforded the same protection from these laws?

Hate crime laws protect against sexuality and gender.

[BBXX]

Er no there is evidence of rapists transwomen being put in womens prisons

There is evidence of transwomen going into gyms and exposing themselves

There is evidence of transwomen heading up Rape Crisis Centres

There is evidence of transwomen cheating in womens sports

There is evidence of women killing men, but if I spent my time pretending the biggest threat to men's safety was women, people would rightly have something to say.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There is evidence of women killing men, but if I spent my time pretending the biggest threat to men's safety was women, people would rightly have something to say.

Its not a competition :shrug:

[BBXX]

Its not a competition :shrug:

Not only have you not made any points in this thread, you're also missing other peoples. Good work!

[Crimson Dynamo]

Not only have you not made any points in this thread, you're also missing other peoples. Good work!

If you have to resort to personal insults, I'm afraid the mirror only reflects who is looking into it...

:skull:

[Mystic Mock]

And that should raise alarm bells. The media and politicians have led people to believe the biggest risks to civilians are trans woman, who are around 0.13% of the population and illegal immigrants, who make up about 1% of the population.

They are two groups with little to no legislative or political power or influence, and yet they are the people who are a risk to our society - apparently. It’s called misdirection.



A couple of questions - have you watched the clip of them asking for donations and have you researched what the charity in question does?

Campaigning for fairness for trans women in women’s sports is one part of the many things that charity does - another aspect for example is ensuring lesbians (women) feel safe, included and supported in sports clubs. They do this because less than half of lesbians feel sports clubs are a welcoming, inclusive place and therefore 2/3rds lesbians who want to be active are taking part in non-sports physical actively. Part of their campaigning is to change that. Sounds great for women, right?

The woman at the end speaking about the donations didn’t ever specifically mention trans people in women’s sports. Yet here we are, talking about trans people again because the media told us they’re a problem.

Did you know a documentary was going to be made about men entering women’s sports teams and the producers found it so difficult and didn’t find any men to go through the 3 years of medical treatments that instead they made it a piece of fiction.

If a thing people are complaining about has to be created as a work of fiction, how much of an issue actually is it?

I agree with you that it's overly reported on, and I also agree with you that we have bigger enemies than Transwomen and illegal immigrants who sleep at Hotels.

It's called big business and the Government who want to divide people, whilst those two groups can get away with evil actions when nobody is looking.

But I'm going off what's being reported on this thread, which was that this group were trying to promote for Transwomen to be in Women's Sports, which I don't personally agree with, it's always been my main gripe with the Transwomen when they ever come up as a topic.

Otherwise I honestly would never really comment about them on here, but I don't want women in particular going into martial arts or Rugby games with Transwomen for very obvious biological reasons.

All I'm personally asking for from some of the Transwomen that think like this and to their allies, is to leave women's Sports alone.

And I hold that opinion regardless of the media's agenda, which I do agree that there is an agenda against Trans people from certain pieces of media.

[Cherie]

To bring it back to the original topic which is the disrespect shown to Tracey Edwards by some of the cast you can see the video here

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/b83cab08993621d3?msockid=26aeb14bcc4b61053e01a075c dab6040

[BBXX]

Still nothing mentioned about trans people specifically…just about building an inclusive, active and equal world through an LGBTQ+ charity who campaigns for men, women and trans people.

Inaccurate thread title. I am thinking:

Young woman criticised for charity drive that aims to make sport a more enjoyable place for men, women and trans people alike.

[Crimson Dynamo]

To bring it back to the original topic which is the disrespect shown to Tracey Edwards by some of the cast you can see the video here

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/b83cab08993621d3?msockid=26aeb14bcc4b61053e01a075c dab6040

S Briggs
21 hrs ago

I took this video. The reason I started filming was because we’d heard a
rumour that the cast might present Tracy with flowers at the end and I
wanted to capture it for her. This spiteful taunt was a very sour end to what
had been a lovely show celebrating a great woman and her crew. 🤬 Shame
on the woman who made the announcement and importantly the cowards
who supported this insult.

-----

Disgusting

[Cherie]

Still nothing mentioned about trans people specifically…just about building an inclusive, active and equal world through an LGBTQ+ charity who campaigns for men, women and trans people.

Inaccurate thread title. I am thinking:

Young woman criticised for charity drive that aims to make sport a more enjoyable place for men, women and trans people alike.

There is no need to mention LGBTQ at all, just make an announcement that you are collecting for womens sport, why specifically single out LGBTQ, lesbians aren't disadvantaged in womens sport are they?

Jill Scott
Martina Navratilova
Nicola Adams
Half the womens England football and Rugby team say hi

There are more than five gay players in the England Lionesses team, including Rachel Daly, Lauren Hemo, and Jess Carter. The team has a well-balanced mix of players, and while the exact number of LGBTQ+ players is not specified, the representation is notable in women's football.

[BBXX]

There is no need to mention LGBTQ at all, just make an announcement that you are collecting for womens sport, why specifically single out LGBTQ, lesbians aren't disadvantaged in womens sport are they?

Sports teams can be an intimidating scenario for many people, but particularly for LGBT people. It's not playing the sport, it's finding the accessibly sport in which you feel safe.


Over half of lesbians think sports teams are not very inclusive.
Lesbians are more likely than other LGBT+ groups to identify cost as a barrier to joining a team.
Only 39% of lesbians are choosing to participate in traditional team sports
Bisexual women are more likely than other LGBT+ groups to see self-consciousness, cliquey teams and a lack of time as barriers to team sports.
only 38% of bisexual women agree that sport is a very inclusive activity.


There is something major that has been overlooked in all of this - probably because anyone ranting about this has done little to no research before having their opinion - is that while Pride Sports will to an extent be fighting against banning trans women from joining women sports, one of their main aims as a charity is to help help promote and work with teams specifically for trans women (and other LGBT people), as well as all-inclusive teams where members can be gay, lesbian, bi, straight, man, woman or trans. They literally promote and help what all of you ask for: teams for trans people separate to that of women-only teams.

This is an amazing thing for sport and an amazing thing for people who find it difficult to get into sport because they worry their sexuality or gender identity will be a blocker.

To pretend all they do and all that 10 second request for donations is centred around is getting trans women into women's sports team is not just disingenuous, it's a lie. The spin on this story is fake, and it's fuelled by hateful manipulation by the media. Congrats.

[Cherie]

Sports teams can be an intimidating scenario for many people, but particularly for LGBT people. It's not playing the sport, it's finding the accessibly sport in which you feel safe.


Over half of lesbians think sports teams are not very inclusive.
Lesbians are more likely than other LGBT+ groups to identify cost as a barrier to joining a team.
Only 39% of lesbians are choosing to participate in traditional team sports
Bisexual women are more likely than other LGBT+ groups to see self-consciousness, cliquey teams and a lack of time as barriers to team sports.
only 38% of bisexual women agree that sport is a very inclusive activity.


There is something major that has been overlooked in all of this - probably because anyone ranting about this has done little to no research before having their opinion - is that while Pride Sports will to an extent be fighting against banning trans women from joining women sports, one of their main aims as a charity is to help help promote and work with teams specifically for trans women (and other LGBT people), as well as all-inclusive teams where members can be gay, lesbian, bi, straight, man, woman or trans. They literally promote and help what all of you ask for: teams for trans people separate to that of women-only teams.

This is an amazing thing for sport and an amazing thing for people who find it difficult to get into sport because they worry their sexuality or gender identity will be a blocker.

Could you link the source because the reality seems to be a bit different from a poll, is it the Pink News?

[Cherie]

Dragging it back to the topic in hand once again

Ms Edwards has been public with her opposition to the inclusion of transgender women – biological males – in women’s competitions and changing rooms.

I think the agenda was very clear here

[BBXX]

Could you link the source because the reality seems to be a bit different from a poll, is it the Pink News?

It's results from research done through Pride Sports and Sport England. (https://pridesports.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Active-LGBT.pdf)

[Crimson Dynamo]

Could you link the source because the reality seems to be a bit different from a poll, is it the Pink News?

"Over half of lesbians think sports teams are not very inclusive"

:joker:

They are not they are the opposite, its for the best at that particular sport

[Vicky.]

They literally promote and help what all of you ask for: teams for trans people separate to that of women-only teams.

You said in the he same post that they want trans women in women's sport? If it was about a separate league for transwomen I wouldn't have an issue at all. I would actively fight alongside the activists actually. It's only when it's womens sports/spaces being invaded that I have an issue.

[BBXX]

Dragging it back to the topic in hand once again

Ms Edwards has been public with her opposition to the inclusion of transgender women – biological males – in women’s competitions and changing rooms.

I think the agenda was very clear here

It's stayed on topic. They were collecting for a charity which works with all-inclusive and LGBT sports teams to create safe, welcoming environments for LGBT who want to play sports. The kind of sports teams you specifically ask for.

Yet it's still a problem, and just about trans people, and just about trans women entering into women's sports - even though that was never mentioned - because, well because the Telegraph told you it was.

[BBXX]

You said in the he same post that they want trans women in women's sport? If it was about a separate league for transwomen I wouldn't have an issue at all. I would actively fight alongside the activists actually. It's only when it's womens sports/spaces being invaded that I have an issue.

I said they of course will speak against banning trans women from women's sports but they also help and work with teams that welcome and are created specifically for trans people, or LGBTQ+ people.

They deliver what you ask, yet it's an issue because you fixate on their opinion on one topic.

[Cherie]

It's stayed on topic. They were collecting for a charity which works with all-inclusive and LGBT sports teams to create safe, welcoming environments for LGBT who want to play sports. The kind of sports teams you specifically ask for.

Yet it's still a problem, and just about trans people, and just about trans women entering into women's sports - even though that was never mentioned - because, well because the Telegraph told you it was.

So you don't think Ms Edwards gender critical views had any impact on the decision for this statement at the end of the show...yes or no?

As far as I can see The Telegraph are reporting the facts backed up by video evidence and Ms Edwards thoughts on this issue ....not sure what has been manufactured here

[Vicky.]

I said they of course will speak against banning trans women from women's sports but they also help and work with teams that welcome and are created specifically for trans people, or LGBTQ+ people.

They deliver what you ask, yet it's an issue because you fixate on their opinion on one topic.
Hardly deliver what I ask if they fight against female sport being female only?

As I said, if fighting for trans teams etc then great. I don't see why they would fight for both trans teams AND access to female teams tho.

[Cherie]

BTW I would welcome a separate category for transsports, it would particularly benefit transmen who basically cannot compete

Time the community started fighting for this instead of trying to piggy back off womens hard fought rights

[BBXX]

So you don't think Ms Edwards gender critical views had any impact on the decision for this statement at the end of the show...yes or no?

As far as I can see The Telegraph are reporting the facts backed up by video evidence and Ms Edwards thoughts on this issue ....not sure what has been manufactured here

The video evidence that makes no mention of trans people entering women's sports yet the whole article is about that :laugh:

Sailor attacks musical about her life after actors hijack ending with trans protest - that is not a fact. :laugh:

If you cannot see the bias within the article and the insincere framing then you are lost down a rabbit hole.

The performers may have been making a point, who knows. All I know is the actual facts: at the end of a play about sports, an actor decides to inform the audience they are welcome to donate to a charity that spearheads inclusive sports teams aimed at a demographic who often find joining sports teams more intimidating or more difficult than most.

[Crimson Dynamo]

BTW I would welcome a separate category for transsports, it would particularly benefit transmen who basically cannot compete

Time the community started fighting for this instead of trying to piggy back off womens hard fought rights

It would never happen as it is about cheating and cheating only

plus the usual tiresome power dynamic misogyny

[BBXX]

It would never happen as it is about cheating and cheating only

plus the usual tiresome power dynamic misogyny

You support Trump. Stop pretending you care about misogyny.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The video evidence that makes no mention of trans people entering women's sports yet the whole article is about that :laugh:

.

"This charity publicly opposed moves to ban transgender women (Men) from female competitions, including the FA’s new rules barring trans players (Men and boys) from women’s and girls’ football leagues."

[BBXX]

"This charity publicly opposed moves to ban transgender women from female competitions, including the FA’s new rules barring trans players from women’s and girls’ football leagues."

Was that said in the video?

I already said the charity speak about out that, but they also do many other things. Have you even been on their website? Their main content is promoting LGBT sports teams :skull:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Was that said in the video?

I already said the charity speak about out that, but they also do many other things. Have you even been on their website? Their main content is promoting LGBT sports teams :skull:

"This charity publicly opposed moves to ban transgender women (Men) from
female competitions, including the FA’s new rules barring trans players (Men
and boys) from women’s and girls’ football leagues."

[Beso]

From just a gay perspective:

Straight couples aren't scared of holding hands in public for fear of being attacked.
There is no conversion therapy for stopping straight people being straight.
Heterosexual couples/people can be represented in media without in being called "woke"
Heterosexual people can be hired without it being looked at as a diversity hire.
Heterosexual sex education and safety is taught widely without issue.
Heterosexual people aren't shunned from family for being straight.


You're also missing a really crucial point - gay people only have equal laws and certain protections because of talking about rights.

You have to remember that a lot of this progress is actually relatively recent. We've only been allowed to join the army since 2000. Marriage for gay people in UK has only been legal for just over a decade and in N. Ireland for half that time. Sexually active gay people could only start donating blood in 2020 because of discriminatory rules for crying out loud.

Progress has happened, but progress can also be temporary and reversed, and therefore until the point we are confident it is neither, people will continue to rally it.

Think of it this way... you work full time in a factory and in the past due to lack of safety regulations, that factory has a history of burning down, killing some of your colleagues. New owners come on board and the subject of safety measures come up and you make sure they know that the new safety measures have prevent fires and prevented deaths. This happens every four years and the subject of the safety measures is an ongoing topic throughout and so you keep on talking about it because it seems it's always up for discussion. Particularly because the owners are friends with other factory's owners elsewhere who have actually reduced safety measures and they're advocating for them to do the same otherwise they might put your prices up.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/trump-jd-vance-trade-deal-free-speech-b2733806.html



Hate crime laws protect against sexuality and gender.



From just a gay perspective:
Straight couples aren't scared of holding hands in public for fear of being attacked....people are scared to go out full stop due to all these violent illigals.


There is no conversion therapy for stopping straight people being straight....no, but there is an awful lot of talk in schools telling children what they must be this if they feel a certain way.


Heterosexual couples/people can be represented in media without in being called "woke"...Brian Dowling, and Nadia, prove these are new words for people to use.


Heterosexual people can be hired without it being looked at as a diversity hire....plenty elderly homosexuals etc, will be the people hiring the youths of today, that have t8 much to say..


Heterosexual sex education and safety is taught widely without issue...the birda and the bees is a lot difderent to whapping your oenus uo anothwr mans bottom, kids do not need to know how to keep it clean

Heterosexual people aren't shunned from family for being straight...blame the families.. Each one will be different.

:shrug

[BBXX]

From just a gay perspective:
Straight couples aren't scared of holding hands in public for fear of being attacked....people are scared to go out full stop due to all these violent illigals.


If true, this is unrelated to the subject. We're talking about sexuality and being attacked for being a gay couple. Even if straight couples are scared of 'violent illegals' it's not because they're a straight couple. Not refuting my point. Next.


There is no conversion therapy for stopping straight people being straight....no, but there is an awful lot of talk in schools telling children what they must be this if they feel a certain way.

If true, it's not the same as conversion therapy. Any attempt to suggest it is makes you look ignorant. Not an argument. Next.

Heterosexual couples/people can be represented in media without in being called "woke"...Brian Dowling, and Nadia, prove these are new words for people to use.

They are new words, which suggests we're going backwards. This isn't a rebuttal. Next.

Heterosexual people can be hired without it being looked at as a diversity hire....plenty elderly homosexuals etc, will be the people hiring the youths of today, that have to much to say..

If true, irrelevant and unrelated once again. What you provided isn't an argument. Next.

Heterosexual sex education and safety is taught widely without issue...the birda and the bees is a lot difderent to whapping your oenus uo anothwr mans bottom, kids do not need to know how to keep it clean

Proving my point, showcasing the disparity in attitude. Sex is sex. Safe sex isn't just taught to prevent babies. Everyone deserves to be taught about safe, consensual, healthy and loving intercourse. Not an argument, again. Next.

Heterosexual people aren't shunned from family for being straight...blame the families.. Each one will be different.

I do. You didn't refute my point, once again.

Well that was a bit of a mess! I particularly liked the part your spelling went insane when you were discussing gay sex. Interesting.

You did not reply to any one of those points with a counter argument that gay people aren't subject to those things I stated. Not a single one.

With each passing topic that arises on here surrounding LGBT issues, more and more you show an incredible lack of knowledge or experience of LGBT people. That's absolutely fine, but you'd think maybe you'd not be so opinionated on a topic you quite clearly have zero knowledge on.

[Beso]

If true, this is unrelated to the subject. We're talking about sexuality and being attacked for being a gay couple. Even if straight couples are scared of 'violent illegals' it's not because they're a straight couple. Not refuting my point. Next.



If true, it's not the same as conversion therapy. Any attempt to suggest it is makes you look ignorant. Not an argument. Next.



They are new words, which suggests we're going backwards. This isn't a rebuttal. Next.



If true, irrelevant and unrelated once again. What you provided isn't an argument. Next.



Proving my point, showcasing the disparity in attitude. Sex is sex. Safe sex isn't just taught to prevent babies. Everyone deserves to be taught about safe, consensual, healthy and loving intercourse. Not an argument, again. Next.



I do. You didn't refute my point, once again.

Well that was a bit of a mess! I particularly liked the part your spelling went insane when you were discussing gay sex. Interesting.

You did not reply to any one of those points with a counter argument that gay people aren't subject to those things I stated. Not a single one.

With each passing topic that arises on here surrounding LGBT issues, more and more you show an incredible lack of knowledge or experience of LGBT people. That's absolutely fine, but you'd think maybe you'd not be so opinionated on a topic you quite clearly have zero knowledge on.


You copied and pasted something which I wasn't trying to refute or better..I simply gave my opinion on it
.stop trying to claim those words as your own when belittling my response. Thank you.

[BBXX]

You copied and pasted something which I wasn't trying to refute or better..I simply gave my opinion on it
.stop trying to claim those words as your own when belittling my response. Thank you.

https://digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/16/32/1470836941-sure-jan.gif

[Beso]

And stop living in the past.

People get filled in forbhabing rhe opposing football atrip on, amd would be afraid to wear it walking round certain areas, cause they would be persecuted for it. Just like 2 gays holding hands. Sexuality means **** all to me and just about everyone I know. Stop making it a thing. It's excruciatingly boring these days, and there is certainly nothing special about being persecuted for being this or that. We all experience it, and will continue, from someone, somewhere.

[Mystic Mock]

Still nothing mentioned about trans people specifically…just about building an inclusive, active and equal world through an LGBTQ+ charity who campaigns for men, women and trans people.

Inaccurate thread title. I am thinking:

Young woman criticised for charity drive that aims to make sport a more enjoyable place for men, women and trans people alike.

After seeing that clip I'll have to agree with you.

[Oliver_W]

It kind of sticks in one's throat that they're using the story of the first all-woman yacht crew who reached such an achievement, to talk about something that negativity affects women's sports.

[Mystic Mock]

Hardly deliver what I ask if they fight against female sport being female only?

As I said, if fighting for trans teams etc then great. I don't see why they would fight for both trans teams AND access to female teams tho.

I do agree.

Just stick with the Trans teams idea.

[Beso]

I do agree.

Just stick with the Trans teams idea.

That's a great idea, and TV could pick the competitions up. Let's face facts. Nothing's really ever managed to fill the gaping hole it's a knockout left once it went of air.

[Beso]

https://digitalspyuk.cdnds.net/16/32/1470836941-sure-jan.gif

Another gay bloke thinking he has all the trans answers.

Insert, sure jan gif here.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It kind of sticks in one's throat that they're using the story of the first all-woman yacht crew who reached such an achievement, to talk about something that negativity affects women's sports.

And of course hardly surprising

[Cherie]

It kind of sticks in one's throat that they're using the story of the first all-woman yacht crew who reached such an achievement, to talk about something that negativity affects women's sports.

So refreshing to see a gay man see the wood from the trees :love:

[Mystic Mock]

That's a great idea, and TV could pick the competitions up. Let's face facts. Nothing's really ever managed to fill the gaping hole it's a knockout left once it went of air.

I've never watched It's A Knockout.

Was it a good Show?

[Glenn.]

Another gay bloke thinking he has all the trans answers.

Insert, sure jan gif here.

All I see was him correct a homophobe :shrug:

[BBXX]

Another gay bloke thinking he has all the trans answers.

Insert, sure jan gif here.

Not answers, but opinions. Based on conversations with actual trans people, my experience as a gay person and research.

You’ve made it abundantly clear you have no actual significant interaction or knowledge on LGBT issues or it’s people, outside of what right wing media tells you - all you do is parrot the soundbites they do frequently. Not one single original thought. And I get it, I do, because I used to be the same.

You know, during Covid I got swept up in a right wing bubble and formulated the same opinions as many of you on trans people. I was reading Twitter every day as the Adam Brooks, Lawrence Foxes, Bev Turners etc… rallied against the government and their weird Covid rules. I watched your Turning Point USA, your Owen Shroyers, Charlie Kirk’s, Candace Owens. For a full year I got proper caught up in an echo chamber and so many of the beliefs I grew up with disappeared. I peddled all the same arguments I read on here all the time - on the trans debate, on social movements, on the left wing media …. (Although not on Trump, he’s always been a moron).

Over time I came to realise a lot of the people I would be parroting kept on misrepresenting the truth, or taking snippets of a wider story to manipulate into something bigger. The more I double checked what they were saying the more I realised how much it was happening. And so I took myself away from all media. I made an effort to meet and spend time with trans people and gain knowledge from their actual lived experience and what they want from life which is to simply exist safely.

That process of being on the same political side annd consuming right wing content and then not means I know exactly how they work, I was in it DEEP. I know what all the key soundbites are. And I know they’re not based in reality or experience or context or perspective. I know exactly how the right wing media and social influencers work and I see it here on the daily.

70% of people have never even knowingly met a trans person and yet about 50-60% of people seem to have extremely strong opinions against them. Go figure.

[BBXX]

It kind of sticks in one's throat that they're using the story of the first all-woman yacht crew who reached such an achievement, to talk about something that negativity affects women's sports.

They didn’t talk about trans women in women’s sports Oliver :) Watch the video!

[BBXX]

All I see was him correct a homophobe :shrug:

It was super easy as well.

[Glenn.]

It was super easy as well.


Isn’t it always?

You gave him more than I would. I normally just report his homophobia and watch him get banned. Far more satisfying.

[Beso]

Not answers, but opinions. Based on conversations with actual trans people, my experience as a gay person and research.

You’ve made it abundantly clear you have no actual significant interaction or knowledge on LGBT issues or it’s people, outside of what right wing media tells you - all you do is parrot the soundbites they do frequently. Not one single original thought. And I get it, I do, because I used to be the same.

You know, during Covid I got swept up in a right wing bubble and formulated the same opinions as many of you on trans people. I was reading Twitter every day as the Adam Brooks, Lawrence Foxes, Bev Turners etc… rallied against the government and their weird Covid rules. I watched your Turning Point USA, your Owen Shroyers, Charlie Kirk’s, Candace Owens. For a full year I got proper caught up in an echo chamber and so many of the beliefs I grew up with disappeared. I peddled all the same arguments I read on here all the time - on the trans debate, on social movements, on the left wing media …. (Although not on Trump, he’s always been a moron).

Over time I came to realise a lot of the people I would be parroting kept on misrepresenting the truth, or taking snippets of a wider story to manipulate into something bigger. The more I double checked what they were saying the more I realised how much it was happening. And so I took myself away from all media. I made an effort to meet and spend time with trans people and gain knowledge from their actual lived experience and what they want from life which is to simply exist safely.

That process of being on the same political side annd consuming right wing content and then not means I know exactly how they work, I was in it DEEP. I know what all the key soundbites are. And I know they’re not based in reality or experience or context or perspective. I know exactly how the right wing media and social influencers work and I see it here on the daily.

70% of people have never even knowingly met a trans person and yet about 50-60% of people seem to have extremely strong opinions against them. Go figure.




I had 2 trans women on my old window cleaning round, always had a chat and a cuppa ready for me.


You've merely flipped 90 degrees and are now believing your left wing algorithms as your truth.

[BBXX]

I had 2 trans women on my old window cleaning round, always had a chat and a cuppa ready for me.


You've merely flipped 90 degrees and are now believing your left wing algorithms as your truth.

No, I’ve immersed myself in both and decided which is more based on trust and a lived experience. Don’t get me wrong, both have their issues, but a lot of the right wing media spend so much time talking against people who aren’t them.

This site is a microcosm of that over and over again.

Time and time again you’ve displayed not just homophobic views but actual lack of knowledge about real world issues around LGBT topics.

Colour me shocked cleaning windows once a month for two trans women didn’t give you an insight…

Anyway, this is just going completely off on a different tangent, so this'll be my final word on all this.

[Beso]

No, I’ve immersed myself in both and decided which is more based on trust and a lived experience. Don’t get me wrong, both have their issues, but a lot of the right wing media spend so much time talking against people who aren’t them.

This site is a microcosm of that over and over again.

Time and time again you’ve displayed not just homophobic views but actual lack of knowledge about real world issues around LGBT topics.

Colour me shocked cleaning windows once a month for two trans women didn’t give you an insight…

Anyway, this is just going completely off on a different tangent, so this'll be my final word on all this.

That's good to hear because all you are doing now is telling me how my life experiences and monthly chat with 2 trans women effect me. Perhaps if you were present at these encounters then perhaps maybe then you could have an opinion on my personal encounters and how they effect the way I see things. You wernt though, so until then you can jog on with your analysis of me, my personal experiences and my uptake on things.


Know it all, that's what I describe you as.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I thought this was an interesting tweet in relation to some points made in this thread

J.K. Rowling @jk_rowling
·
Aug 16
It’s so weird how they could be mistaken for threatening, misogynistic incels if you
didn’t know they’re the most vulnerable, marginalised group™️ in the world.


Biology Rules Ok@OkayBiology
·
Aug 16
Wherever women gather to speak about rights - masked trans activists always turn up to threaten them.🙄
These masked men are carrying a banner calling for the death of TERFs & the death of Australia.🇦🇺
And another banner demanding guns to carry out their threats🚩

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GydKdcXXAAAnNXi?format=png&name=small

https://x.com/jk_rowling/status/1956640145890799922

[BBXX]

That's good to hear because all you are doing now is telling me how my life experiences and monthly chat with 2 trans women effect me. Perhaps if you were present at these encounters then perhaps maybe then you could have an opinion on my personal encounters and how they effect the way I see things. You wernt though, so until then you can jog on with your analysis of me, my personal experiences and my uptake on things.


Know it all, that's what I describe you as.

That's fair enough!

[BBXX]

Nevermind, cba.

[Beso]

Nevermind, cba.

You do know you can just delete an entire post.:joker:

[BBXX]

You do know you can just delete an entire post.:joker:

I didn't know that no :joker: Thanks for the tip!