Zelensky/Trump/Putin Number two : new meeting soon

[arista]

Trump has a Secret
he got it from President Putin
he ask President Zelensky to accept it?


[Trump tells Fox News in Alaska
that Zelensky has ‘got to make a deal’
with Putin after Alaska summit]


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-ukraine-peace-deal-putin-summit-zelensky-b2808779.html

[Zizu]

Trump has a Secret
her got it from President Putin
he ask President Zelensky to accept it?


[Trump tells Fox News in Alaska
that Zelensky has ‘got to make a deal’
with Putin after Alaska summit]


https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-ukraine-peace-deal-putin-summit-zelensky-b2808779.html


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[arista]

Your post needs correction ..





Done


Cheers

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

Sky News Text :
[Ahead of Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's talks
with Donald Trump,
The Sunday Express quotes foreign policy experts who warn
Britain and Europe are close to failing the
biggest security threat since 1945.]


https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-ffd0d3d0-5353-4f37-a542-a56179b62b81.png

[joeysteele]

Anything, that gives Russia any territory from Ukraine, will be absolute failure and despicable rewarding of vile aggression.
It will be a failure of loudmouth and unhinged Trump too.
As for our Prime Minister still praising Trump and running up his backside, well that's pathetic.

[arista]

Anything, that gives Russia any territory from Ukraine, will be absolute failure and despicable rewarding of vile aggression.
It will be a failure of loudmouth and unhinged Trump too.
As for our Prime Minister still praising Trump and running up his backside, well that's pathetic.


Yes shocking PM Starmer on the Phone Today to Trump
with his French/UK Troops of Peace and Guards?


Ideal for Putin to Kill

[arista]

Trump on Monday
will give this Land grab deal.

If the Zelensky says NO

Then Trump can walk away from the Ukraine Problem

[Gusto Brunt]

No doubt the scruff won't wear a suit.

[arista]

No doubt the scruff won't wear a suit.

It would be funny if he did

[Gusto Brunt]

It would be funny if he did

People would have a lot more respect for him if he did, too.

[bots]

No doubt the scruff won't wear a suit.

thats a very shallow observation

Were you aware tha Zelensky has vowed never to wear a suit until the war has ended?

[arista]

[European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen
has announced she and "other European leaders"
will also travel to Washington DC tomorrow.]


How nice a Strong Woman also going to
President Trump, as well.

[Cherie]

Is Vance still on holiday?

I wonder if Trump will give Zelensky a warm welcome

At least he wont be on his own this time

Is Starmer not going?

[joeysteele]

I'm glad other European leading figures are going too.
That's a good move and supportive look.

[bots]

Anything, that gives Russia any territory from Ukraine, will be absolute failure and despicable rewarding of vile aggression.
It will be a failure of loudmouth and unhinged Trump too.
As for our Prime Minister still praising Trump and running up his backside, well that's pathetic.

The way i see it is that Starmer has joined in with praise of Trump, no matter what he does, and it's all re-ieforced by the Trump state visit.

I see it as appeasement, and it's exactly what led to world war 2.

Our prime minister is standing up and telling the world a position that he does not believe himself, and we are expected to accept him as our country's leader

[arista]

I'm glad other European leading figures are going too.
That's a good move and supportive look.


Now PM Starmer
is going as well



SkyNewsHD Live

[arista]

Is Vance still on holiday?

I wonder if Trump will give Zelensky a warm welcome

At least he wont be on his own this time

Is Starmer not going?


Yes now
PM Starmer is going,


Vance back in the USA

[joeysteele]

Now PM Starmer
is going as well


I'm happier that the German leader, plus Ursula Von der Leyen and Macron are going.

I'm losing patience with Starmer running up Trump's backside.

[arista]

I'm happier that the German leader, plus Ursula Von der Leyen and Macron are going.

I'm losing patience with Starmer running up Trump's backside.


Yes,
I agree with you
Joey

[bots]

it's pretty obvious that european leaders don't want a repeat of the shitshow of the last Zelensky meeting in the WH, especially after Trump gave Putin the red carpet treatment. I'm really glad europe has stepped up

[joeysteele]

it's pretty obvious that european leaders don't want a repeat of the shitshow of the last Zelensky meeting in the WH, especially after Trump gave Putin the red carpet treatment. I'm really glad europe has stepped up

I agree.
So am I.

[arista]

6 So Far going

Ursula Von Der Leyen - EU Commission President
Emmanuel Macron - French President
Keir Starmer - UK Prime Minister
Giorgia Meloni - Italian Prime Minister
Friedrich Merz - German Chancellor
Alexander Stubb - Finnish President



All data : Inside Politics USA CNN HD Worldwide

[bots]

Something else thats really worth noting. Russia is not winning the war in ukraine. If any other country was in a war 3 and a half years after they said it would be over in 3 days and has lost over 1 million troops so far, would not be considered as winning

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-3096ec27-788b-4059-83a0-6827c1b6dc81.jpeg

[arista]

Zelensky now Live in Brussels
with Ursula Von Der Leyen


He spoke in English,

SkyNewsHD Live

[arista]

Amazing Mike Pence
talking live on CNN HD USA on UK TV

Says good President Trump is trying to end the War.

He left Trump's cabinet
some time ago

[Gusto Brunt]

thats a very shallow observation

Were you aware tha Zelensky has vowed never to wear a suit until the war has ended?

I heard that but it's a load of guff. It's meaningless twaddle from him.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-0ec772a8-4d28-4b40-a3bb-9b006f96962d.png

[Gusto Brunt]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-0ec772a8-4d28-4b40-a3bb-9b006f96962d.png

I don't think that's right.

According to military sources if Putin has that land it will be much easier for him to make substantial gains if he were to attack Ukraine in the future.

[arista]

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[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-78c4294a-5fc1-4708-8a6e-211dd29c5f67.png

[arista]

French President Macron
Having Fun in the Water
around 10 days ago.


https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-0655c593-50ef-4090-9574-6db950b2fa5d.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-89e51f22-1e14-4ab9-aacf-d7dc7cf3b522.png

[arista]

Sky News Text :
[The Times leads on Volodymyr Zelenskyy's push for
NATO-style security guarantees for Ukraine.

Its front page also features a photo from
Kostyantynivka in Ukraine's Donetsk region,
where fighting has intensified this weekend.]


https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/1382/live/e9c6aec0-7bb3-11f0-a34f-318be3fb0481.jpg.webp

[arista]

BBC News Text :
[The leaders' talks in Washington also
leads the Financial Times.
Zelensky and Ukraine's European allies
"seek security guarantees", it says, after Putin
"demanded that Kyiv should concede
land in order to reach a truce".]

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/976/cpsprodpb/2a20/live/a3c666e0-7bae-11f0-83cc-c5da98c419b8.jpg.webp

[arista]

Good President Zelensky
is already in the USA

Waiting for his 6 Mates,
to join him.

[Gusto Brunt]

Can't wait for this. :D I wonder if Trump will shout at Zelenskyy. :p :D

[bots]

Can't wait for this. :D I wonder if Trump will shout at Zelenskyy. :p :D

would you take pleasure in that?

[arista]

Can't wait for this. :D I wonder if Trump will shout at Zelenskyy. :p :D


No

He has 6 Leaders with him.



President Trump needs a big table


7 Vs 7


No Shouting


Live from 5PM UK TIME

[arista]

New Reports

President Putin
will now halt the War
if Zelensky gives up two zones


This is the best way to stop this War,


All media

[bots]

New Reports

President Putin
will now halt the War
if Zelensky gives up two zones


This is the best way to stop this War,


All media

it's not the best if it means russia then has easy access to overrun kyiv

[Beso]

Now PM Starmer
is going as well



SkyNewsHD Live

Is he holding the coats

[arista]

Is he holding the coats


He is now out there,
with the other 5 Leaders.

With Zelensky

[arista]

it's not the best if it means Russia then has easy access to overrun Kyiv


But Zelensky
is demanding new
USA Protection
by Air, Sea, and Land
To Stop Russia.

(Like an Article 5)


Italy backs this new Deal

[arista]

Lord Mandleson
is in the Ukrainian Embassy Building with Starmer, Zelensky, and other leaders in Washington DC


SkyNewsHD Live in DC

[arista]

Zelensky and Trump to meet around 1PM USA time
which will be 6PM UK Time .


The around 8PM UK Time
the 6 leaders go in


Ch5HD News Live

[Gusto Brunt]

No

He has 6 Leaders with him.



President Trump needs a big table


7 Vs 7


No Shouting


Live from 5PM UK TIME

Maybe shout a little bit. ;)

[Gusto Brunt]

would you take pleasure in that?

Of course.:joker:

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/08/18/17/1755533960237_wide_galleryImage_GRABS_View_of_Whit e_House.JPG


Mark Rutte (Chief of NATO) & Ursula Von Der Leyen
has gone into the White House


And 3rd going is PM Starmer

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/08/18/17/1755534099686_wide_galleryImage_GRABS_View_of_Whit e_House.JPG

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/08/18/17/101328889-0-image-m-21_1755533851613.jpg


[All eyes are on the White House today
as President Donald Trump prepares
to host a slew of European leaders
who want an immediate ceasefire deal
to end the deadly Russia-Ukraine war.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky
will be joined by
UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer,
French President Emmanuel Macron,
Italy's Giorgia Meloni,
European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen,
Germany’s Friedrich Merz and more.

It comes months after his disastrous
Oval Office shouting match with Zelensky
that ended with the Ukrainian leader
being 'kicked out'.]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15010513/trump-white-house-european-leaders-russia-ukraine-putin-zelensky-meeting-live.html

[arista]

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky

Has now gone with Trump
into his debate room

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/08/18/17/101329833-0-image-m-29_1755535976237.jpg

[arista]

Zelensky And Trump Live on SkyNewsHD


now

[arista]

FoxNewsHD

Gets first Question.




Trump will not say, yet
if they have a deal


Trump stated the 7 Leaders
will help

[arista]

Now it is all about Trump's Wife
who wrote a letter to Putin
regarding all the children in the war

[arista]

Trump Corrected a Reporter
saying Ukraine and the EU
now have to buy weapons.

The Terrible Joe Biden deal is gone

[arista]

The Press have now left.


JD Vance was there
but stayed shut up

[arista]

To give the 2
Zones of Ukraine free to Russia


It is said to be the Deal President Trump Will Offer
But Trump will give Ukraine the security it needs.

[joeysteele]

It's no deal of any merit if Russia benefits.
That wouldn't be a deal it would be rewarding Putin and Russia.
Which would be despicable and should not be supported.
Trump is looking absolutely awful on this, more like a grovelling weakling.

[arista]

It's no deal of any merit if Russia benefits.
That wouldn't be a deal it would be rewarding Putin and Russia.
Which would be despicable and should not be supported.
Trump is looking absolutely awful on this, more like a grovelling weakling.


Yes
but that is all there is Joey


Give up the 2
Zones

End the Horrid WAR

A Security Back Up
to protect Ukraine, after this................

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/08/18/19/101331439-0-image-m-5_1755540984002.jpg

[arista]

All the 7 Leaders
Now on a Table

Trump has Macron on one side
And the Italian Leader PM lady his other side.

[arista]

President Trump
now talking Live


On Every Media

[arista]

They had good talks,
But it appears, Zelensky has to go home
and ask his parliament.

[arista]

All the Leaders have to talk in English

[arista]

French Leader Macron is now talking

[arista]

Now PM Starmer is talking


He wants the EU and him
to Step Up.

[joeysteele]

Yes
but that is all there is Joey


Give up the 2
Zones

End the Horrid WAR

A Security Back Up
to protect Ukraine, after this................

Doesn't sound like a deal to me, more a giveaway.

[arista]

Finlands Leader
Concludes this talk.

[arista]

Doesn't sound like a deal to me, more a giveaway.



Yes Fair Point


It appears a few more weeks
According to President Trump

[Mystic Mock]

It's no deal of any merit if Russia benefits.
That wouldn't be a deal it would be rewarding Putin and Russia.
Which would be despicable and should not be supported.
Trump is looking absolutely awful on this, more like a grovelling weakling.

100% agree.

Russia needs to be taught a lesson.

No means no.

[arista]

100% agree.

Russia needs to be taught a lesson.

No means no.


Go and tell that to Putin.


We are stuck with this


Joe Biden failed

[Mystic Mock]

Go and tell that to Putin.


We are stuck with this


Joe Biden failed

Joe Biden thought that he was the first female black President.

He wasn't on the same planet as the rest of us unfortunately.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/08/18/20/101333217-15011301-image-a-24_1755543859857.jpg


All of them


not in order

Donald Trump - USA President

Zelensky - Ukraine President

Mark Rutte - Nato Chief
Ursula Von Der Leyen - EU Commission President
Emmanuel Macron - French President
Keir Starmer - UK Prime Minister
Giorgia Meloni - Italian Prime Minister
Friedrich Merz - German Chancellor
Alexander Stubb - Finnish President

[Cherie]

Zelensky was ordered to wear a suit and tie, howling at the black suit jacket and shirt...no tie ....people are dying...you must wear a suit ...wtf

[arista]

Zelensky was ordered to wear a suit and tie, howling at the black suit jacket and shirt...no tie ....people are dying...you must wear a suit ...wtf

He looked smart enough

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/08/18/19/101332061-15011301-image-a-3_1755541282344.jpg

Trump was handed a letter from Zelensky's Wife
for Trump's Wife.



I assume thanking her for speaking
about the stolen children.
Evil Russia

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/08/18/16/101324385-0-image-a-5_1755530024223.jpg

[arista]

Good this Time
JD Vance
kept his Mouth SHUT


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/08/18/19/101332153-15011301-image-a-9_1755541475197.jpg

[arista]

The War goes on.

Until Zelensky goes home
to ask his parliament?

[arista]

It would good
to have the Next meeting in Istanbul
Putin - Zelensky - Trump - The EU Lady
all on a table
to sign the deals

All would be safe there

Then they could agree on the land swap
and the end of the war.
And be sure what the final deal is.

[arista]

President Trump
left the meeting with 8
to phone Putin.

[arista]

Today 10 dead in Ukraine
including a little girl and a young lad

[Cherie]

Today 10 dead in Ukraine
including a little girl and a young lad

Not to worry, wear a suit,all will be well

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-523b57a5-b987-4553-8e95-04a1dcf6f133.png

[arista]

Not to worry, wear a suit,all will be well


https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-42e12484-8613-48d2-82d8-f6e77bb9d0dc.jpeg

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

This was the First Title of this thread:

Zelensky & Others Visit the White House on Monday 18/Aug/25

Now a new title has been added
awaiting an expansion


Zelensky/Trump/Putin new meeting soon

[arista]

Again
I say Istanbul is an ideal city for this Next Meeting

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul

President Putin visits there and is safe.


President Zelensky can arrive
USA President Trump can arrive

All would be Safe there.

[arista]

President Trump
said 2 weeks, no more than that
to set up the Next Meeting.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-ab9a91fb-e7c6-4ae2-8927-3e90e25df1e7.png

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/08/19/02/101340831-0-image-a-45_1755566399936.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15012535/Moscow-REFUSES-commit-peace-talks.html

[bots]

i don't think there will be a meeting between Zelensky and Putin. For Putin to do that he would have to acknowledge that Zelensky was the president of Ukraine and he doesn't see that as a legitimate position as ukraine in his mind is russian.

I also think that a lot of words were said by Trump yesterday, and people have jumped to all sorts of conclusions, but the words were far to woolly to actually mean anything substantive


I shall leave this here to be quoted later :laugh:

[Oliver_W]

Zelenski is really playing the Billy-big-bollocks ain't he... who is he to make demands, when Ukraine's continued existence basically depends on the west pumping billions into that black hole.

The idea that Putin must hand back every piece of land that Russia took in order for the war to end is just pie in the sky, regardless of Ukraine's "constitution" ... there's surely a compromise to be found, one that doesn't involve Ukrainians to be constantly killed?

[arista]

i don't think there will be a meeting between Zelensky and Putin. For Putin to do that he would have to acknowledge that Zelensky was the president of Ukraine and he doesn't see that as a legitimate position as ukraine in his mind is russian.

I also think that a lot of words were said by Trump yesterday, and people have jumped to all sorts of conclusions, but the words were far to woolly to actually mean anything substantive


I shall leave this here to be quoted later :laugh:

Yes Another Title Change
as Evil Putin has refused to stand near Zelensky


So I am trying this

Zelensky/Trump/Putin Number two: new meeting soon

[Zizu]

After what Putin did I am amazing that anyone is negotiating with him .. he’s obviously mentally unstable and completely unreliable

Even if they come to some kind of agreement we can’t rely on him keeping his word


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[arista]

Zelensky

has stated any kind of format

So Shove Evil Putin on an LED screen

[arista]

PM Starmer
is stupid

He said it is a Positive Step Forward

What 10 killed last night by Russian Drones
While PM Starmer thanked Trump

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/08/19/14/101356015-0-image-m-11_1755608729562.jpg

[bots]

As i said before, the appeasement that is being shown is the same as that before WW2 and look where that ended up

[arista]

As i said before, the appeasement that is being shown is the same as that before WW2 and look where that ended up


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H12751%2C_Godesberg%2C_Vorbereitung_M%C3%BCnchener _Abkommen.jpg/600px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-H12751%2C_Godesberg%2C_Vorbereitung_M%C3%BCnchener _Abkommen.jpg

Yes Nev
Hitler will sign your fantastic treaty

[arista]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c7/MunichAgreement.jpg/960px-MunichAgreement.jpg

Yes Nev
show the world how Hitler signed it

[arista]

Karoline Leavitt White House Press Secretary

Now Live on SkyNewsHD

[joeysteele]

As i said before, the appeasement that is being shown is the same as that before WW2 and look where that ended up

I 100% agree.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-b299fd5e-a920-4719-b91a-f9fbf66ef37e.png

[arista]

Around 10,000 UK troops
PM Starmer will use.


In his Combined help in Ukraine

Army/Navy

Ref : Tobias Ellwood speaking live on Ch5HD AM

[thesheriff443]

Zelenski is really playing the Billy-big-bollocks ain't he... who is he to make demands, when Ukraine's continued existence basically depends on the west pumping billions into that black hole.

The idea that Putin must hand back every piece of land that Russia took in order for the war to end is just pie in the sky, regardless of Ukraine's "constitution" ... there's surely a compromise to be found, one that doesn't involve Ukrainians to be constantly killed?

You are not seeing the bigger picture this time it’s Ukraine next time it could be the uk be at war with Russia

You have to stand up to a bully that’s why Europe the uk and USA are funding this war

[Oliver_W]

You are not seeing the bigger picture this time it’s Ukraine next time it could be the uk be at war with Russia

You have to stand up to a bully that’s why Europe the uk and USA are funding this war

Ukraine simply isn't going to regain all of the territory it lost, not without an outright military invasion ... and no-one wants World War III.

The idea that Putin is the only one who should compromise is just pie in the sky.

[thesheriff443]

Ukraine simply isn't going to regain all of the territory it lost, not without an outright military invasion ... and no-one wants World War III.

The idea that Putin is the only one who should compromise is just pie in the sky.

We are dealing with another saddam Hussain or hitler or any other mass murderer you care to mention he should of had a bullet in the head years ago
We shouldn’t be sharing a table with the scum bag

He shows the contempt he has for this country by sending two killers to poison the man and his daughter

[arista]

We are dealing with another saddam Hussain or hitler or any other mass murderer you care to mention he should of had a bullet in the head years ago
We shouldn’t be sharing a table with the scum bag

He shows the contempt he has for this country by sending two killers to poison the man and his daughter


Well so far Putin has said NO.


Trump ignores that
thinking he can bring him into a room
with Zelensky.


This why my titles
assumes its Putin's number 2

Easy pick is Sergey Lavrov (not Number 2, but good enough)

[Minister of Foreign Affairs
of the Russian Federation]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6b/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%9B%D0%B0% D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2_%2818-11-2022%29_%28cropped%29.jpg/500px-%D0%A1%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B3%D0%B5%D0%B9_%D0%9B%D0%B0% D0%B2%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2_%2818-11-2022%29_%28cropped%29.jpg

Back in 2022


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Lavrov

[joeysteele]

Putin and Russia should not and should never now be ANYWHERE in Ukraine.
It's ridiculous to bow down to a dictator like Putin and even look to appease him
Absolutely cowardice and despicable that would be

[arista]

Putin and Russia should not and should never now be ANYWHERE in Ukraine.
It's ridiculous to bow down to a dictator like Putin and even look to appease him
Absolutely cowardice and despicable that would be

Yes Joey.

But he (Putin) has some land in Ukraine
and his Crimea,


As the Pathetic USA Democrat President did bugger all
to stop that in Crimea from being taken over in 2014

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GysNgRzWUAUVC7D?format=jpg&name=4096x4096

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GytHct_W0AA6jvm?format=jpg&name=small

[Oliver_W]

Putin and Russia should not and should never now be ANYWHERE in Ukraine.
It's ridiculous to bow down to a dictator like Putin and even look to appease him
Absolutely cowardice and despicable that would be

How many lives should be sacrificed to change who rules over the land already taken by Russia?

[thesheriff443]

How many lives should be sacrificed to change who rules over the land already taken by Russia?

What about all the lives that have been lost so far and all the suffering by people basically defending themselves

Should their death count for nothing?

[Maru]

Yes Joey.

But he (Putin) has some land in Ukraine
and his Crimea,


As the Pathetic USA Democrat President did bugger all
to stop that in Crimea from being taken over in 2014

Yeah, that would've been the time to have done something, not waited until it's an unstoppable war. And wars are fought over more than just land (obviously...). Public reception and national pride are key factors also. Both have major incentives to never back down. At some point it becomes enabling by other countries to keep supplying resources for a scenario that won't change the outcome.

Any country, including the US, could consider getting directly involved and actually "end it" at any time if they wanted to... but then each have to admit that they actually don't want a direct war with Russia. So yeah, why would Russia back down if it still thinks by maintaining the status quo it'll eventually get what it wants?

There's also the small, but not nonexistent possibility all of our countries get pulled deeper into war depending on what Ukraine does. Maybe Ukraine becomes desperate or acts out of national pride and starts invading parts of Russia? Then what? Are we all going to be like "Woo Hoo, Go Ukraine!" when that happens?... probably not.

[bots]

Yeah, that would've been the time to have done something, not waited until it's an unstoppable war. And wars are fought over more than just land (obviously...). Public reception and national pride are key factors also. Both have major incentives to never back down. At some point it becomes enabling by other countries to keep supplying resources for a scenario that won't change the outcome.

Any country, including the US, could consider getting directly involved and actually "end it" at any time if they wanted to... but then each have to admit that they actually don't want a direct war with Russia. So yeah, why would Russia back down if it still thinks by maintaining the status quo it'll eventually get what it wants?

There's also the small, but not nonexistent possibility all of our countries get pulled deeper into war depending on what Ukraine does. Maybe Ukraine becomes desperate or acts out of national pride and starts invading parts of Russia? Then what? Are we all going to be like "Woo Hoo, Go Ukraine!" when that happens?... probably not.

Putin has made it clear he wants to restore russia to the size of the soviet union. That is unacceptable in europe. Europe is already at war, they just don't want to admit it yet

[Maru]

Putin has made it clear he wants to restore russia to the size of the soviet union. That is unacceptable in europe. Europe is already at war, they just don't want to admit it yet

My feeling on that has always been they're just waiting for him to croak. Wasn't it reported he had a terminal illness? If they believe those reports, it makes a lot of sense to hold off... he's 72.

[bots]

My feeling on that has always been they're just waiting for him to croak. Wasn't it reported he had a terminal illness? If they believe those reports, it makes a lot of sense to hold off... he's 72.

There is also the scenario where everyone close to him wants him dead, because he really is an evil sob. Ambitious people are just waiting for the slightest weakness and they will strike. As he gets older, the more likely it is to happen

[joeysteele]

How many lives should be sacrificed to change who rules over the land already taken by Russia?

Appeasement and rewarding for unprovoked aggression and invasion of another Country, is never going to lead to anything really positive in the end.
I would never support that.

Russia should not be allowed to even try to, never mind take Ukrainian territory.
Give anything to Russia at all, then it's likely they'll be back for more in the future.

[Maru]

There is also the scenario where everyone close to him wants him dead, because he really is an evil sob. Ambitious people are just waiting for the slightest weakness snd they will strike. As he gets older, the more likely it is to happen

Sure. And some people could live up to 99 being a warmonger out of pure spite and stubbornness. Putin does seem capable of this, but if it's something like terminal illness, spite would only help so much... that said, the US could theoretically end the war at anytime. Sure, why not? It's a thing that has been done. So I think that is the leverage we hold in these "talks". Which is probably more just to build pressure than to try to negotiate anything immediate...

[bots]

Sure. And some people could live up to 99 being a warmonger out of pure spite and stubbornness. Putin does seem capable of this, but if it's something like terminal illness, spite would only help so much... that said, the US could theoretically end the war at anytime. Sure, why not? It's a thing that has been done. So I think that is the leverage we hold in these "talks". Which is probably more just to build pressure than to try to negotiate anything immediate...

Trump is transactional, he wants to increase his personal wealth. Selling arms to Nato/Ukraine nets him billions. Why would he want a ceasefire? :laugh:

While we are on the subject of Trump, have you seen the oval office recently? It's just wall to wall gold everywhere. It's so tacky :laugh:

[Maru]

Trump is transactional, he wants to increase his personal wealth. Selling arms to Nato/Ukraine nets him billions. Why would he want a ceasefire? :laugh:

While we are on the subject of Trump, have you seen the oval office recently? It's just wall to wall gold everywhere. It's so tacky :laugh:

"Gold everywhere" has been his personal aesthetic since forever. But actually, looking at what I did see of the oval, it actually fits in with the history of the place much more nicely than I'd seen in terms of how he decorated other buildings, which often looks very tacky. However, the gold leaf works well for the history/classic feel of the building and it gives a very antique feeling without not looking too modern. (It'd never look right)

Probably it is meant to move prominent/international guests more than us to be honest. If you go into internationally well-known hospitals in the US that are frequented by higher class populations, they're decorated very very similarly and that is a common aesthetic among the rich... yes, with gold leaf and giving the look of opulence in a hospital. The oval office doubles as a museum, so at least it makes more sense here at least...

At least he didn't go full bright ass gold among even all the little artifacts, which most people generally do when they do for gold leaf, they go very bold. There's touches of white gold in there as well and it balances it better and it's not screaming "GOLD!" all over the entire frame... the furniture reads very successful doctor office lobby though... again, a very common aesthetic in that space...

Edit: This was a thing also at some point:

Gold Toilet Offered to Donald Trump Will Be Housed at Winston Churchill’s Birthplace
https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/gold-toilet-offered-to-donald-trump-will-be-housed-at-winston-churchills-birthplace

But I seem to remember there were rumors of a golden toilet well before that because his gold fetish was that well known.