Has this over-identification with neurodivergence gone too far?

[Redway]

As it says in the title. I’ve written thesis after thesis about this topic on here so I assume that by now my stance on it is pretty clear, but just for the sake of clarification, my personal argument is that people chalk up various conditions, tendencies and attributes (some of them normal personality-traits, not even a condition) to ‘neurodevelopmental divergence’ (which is what neurodivergence really is; no two minds are exactly the same, neurodevelopmentally or otherwise, so if it wasn’t circumscribed down to neurodevelopment in terms of more official ideology, everyone and their grandma would be on one neurodevelopmental spectrum or the other).

There’s also this tendency to identify as pan-neurodiverse in this day and age and in the case of ADHD vs. (neurodevelopmental, not schizoid) autism, that can just be patronising to, say, someone who perhaps has a touch of Asperger’s but in a very specific way (initiation of non-verbal communication) and renowned for their calming, steady outward presence and good focusing skills that’s fashioned because of rather than in spite of who they are. Patronising and below the ball when someone like that is seen as fundamentally much closer to a disorder stereotyped marked by hyperactivity and/or distractability than the average “neurotypical,” even-though that wouldn’t necessarily be the case at-all. It is possible to just be mono-neurodiverse and not have even the slightest trace of any other form of neurodivergence, just like it’s also common enough that things overlap. Just like not every black person will be pan-African in their approach to that continent, not everyone on one spectrum or the other is a walking caricature of the neurodevelopmental chapter of the DSM, especially when those other disorders are marked by things that are stereotypically the complete opposite of what they’re about (and for the record, I know ADHD can be just the attention-deficit and not hyperactivity, but together they feed a stereotype that’s very far-removed from the bearing of a quiet borderline-Aspie with social anxiety or a natural degree of introversion to boot). That nuance, IMO, has been lost from the amount of people who parade on TikTok calling themselves AuDHD, just like the separateness of neurodevelopmental divergence (and I would rather call it that, otherwise there’s the increasing temptation, which some have started to push out, to classify everything that could possibly fall under the DSM as a neurodivergence).

TLDR: I’m basically just giving my opinion about how I think this neurodivergence-culture has gone too far. I totally hold space for valid self-diagnosis, just to add, because some conditions (like misophonia, which is something I have, for what it’s worth) need to be carried that way and forward with a tremendous amount of self-advocacy (because the current diagnostic handbooks just haven’t caught up, let-alone your average GP, who knows nothing). But when it comes to ASD and ADHD, having a self-diagnosis carries a lot less weight, especially at this point.

[Mystic Mock]

It feels like it to me.

I feel like Doctors are over-diagnosing people as neurodivergent, but even possibly worse than that I feel like there are some people trying to pretend to be neurodivergent just to get a following on Social Media.

And I'm going to be very controversial when I say this, but a similar thing is happening with Mental Health cases, especially if the person in question has done something wrong or controversial, they'll then claim that it's “affecting their Mental Health.” Just to make people feel sorry for them.

It's quite horrible tbh that some people are using serious issues that other people have, just to further themselves.

[Redway]

For what it’s worth, my point of differentiation between ‘schizoid autism’ and neurodevelopmental autism is elaborated on in this book: https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.202705/page/n249/mode/1up?q=sulky

You can type the key word “autism” into the search-appendix of that book and see where it takes you. It’s very interesting and adds nuance to people the current neurodevelopmental framework-understanding of autism doesn’t apply to or box accurately. Under the other framewirk, autism’s more a symptom than a disorder.

[thesheriff443]

Overthinking in life is like trying to empty the ocean with a shot glass

[Redway]

Overthinking in life is like trying to empty the ocean with a shot glass

Saying that a million times doesn’t make it true. Just say you’re allergic to thinking and keep it pushing. Not all of us take the world at face-value, nor should we. People are different. The sooner you learn to accept that, the better. Some people are called to be philosophers, scientists, educational psychologists or advocates, not brick-layers who try their best not to “overthink” about anything in-case some stranger on an internet-forum tells them that they think too much. It’s time for you to change the record after 3 years.

If everyone was like you and thought the way you do, the world would grind to a halt. The world needs thinkers, otherwise there’d be no internet for you to use, no public-health policies, no doctors, no engineers, no therapists. No medication to take when you’re poorly. We can’t all be like you, nor should we be. You’re one person out of 7/8 billion. You’re not the standard of thought and perception for people to live by or take to their Thai curry, as much as you like to push that onto other people and speak with authority on what strangers on the internet should be thinking or how they should appreciate their foods.

[Zizu]

Overthinking in life is like trying to empty the ocean with a shot glass


Hallelujah !!


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[thesheriff443]

Saying that a million times doesn’t make it true. Just say you’re allergic to thinking and keep it pushing.

You say you can’t stop overthinking and keep pushing

[Redway]

This is where my ignore-list comes in handy. Thank you, James.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://maggiemellon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/david-tennant-800x400-1.jpg

David Tennant's wife opens up about their 'neurodiverse' kids - and reveals
'nightmare' situation they avoid

The ultra-woke Doctor Who man , 54, and his wife Georgia, 40, have five
children together, including her son from a previous relationship who he
adopted

Georgia, who married David in 2011, said they rarely eat together as a family as several of their kids have special requirements and like to eat different meals in separate spaces.

“I don't understand how people sit around and all eat together,”

“We've got a lot of neurodiverse non-binary kids so a couple of them don't
like eating around other people. They go and eat in separate rooms.

“A couple of them won't eat the same food, so we have to cook a different
meal for them. Mealtime is like two and a half hours of me wandering around
the house serving different people in different rooms.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/david-tennant-wife-neurodiverse-kids-b1246127.html

[Livia]

Their kids are never going to leave home. They've been taught they can get away with this crap.

[thesheriff443]

This is where my ignore-list comes in handy. Thank you, James.

Well done

[Redway]

Their kids are never going to leave home. They've been taught they can get away with this crap.

A lot of the advice out there these days, too, it has to be said, is that kids don’t owe their parents anything.

[Beso]

Well I've been refusing to get tested for years now, but at the weekend I found out if you are diagnosed with a condition you get 750 quid free every month from the government..got an appointment Thursday...


Any tips on how to act?

[Livia]

A lot of the advice out there these days, too, it has to be said, is that kids don’t owe their parents anything.

I owe my parents everything.

[Redway]

I owe my parents everything.

Ditto.

[Redway]

Well I've been refusing to get tested for years now, but at the weekend I found out if you are diagnosed with a condition you get 750 quid free every month from the government..got an appointment Thursday...


Any tips on how to act?

First I’m hearing of this.

[Benjamin]

https://maggiemellon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/david-tennant-800x400-1.jpg

David Tennant's wife opens up about their 'neurodiverse' kids - and reveals
'nightmare' situation they avoid

The ultra-woke Doctor Who man , 54, and his wife Georgia, 40, have five
children together, including her son from a previous relationship who he
adopted

Georgia, who married David in 2011, said they rarely eat together as a family as several of their kids have special requirements and like to eat different meals in separate spaces.

“I don't understand how people sit around and all eat together,”

“We've got a lot of neurodiverse non-binary kids so a couple of them don't
like eating around other people. They go and eat in separate rooms.

“A couple of them won't eat the same food, so we have to cook a different
meal for them. Mealtime is like two and a half hours of me wandering around
the house serving different people in different rooms.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/david-tennant-wife-neurodiverse-kids-b1246127.html

God what a desolate family life.

[Beso]

First I’m hearing of this.

Maybe it's Scotland only.:shrug:

My sister mentioned it. She's been head hunted by 3 elite businesses for her skills in customer care. So she will know.(I'm not talking outmy arse)


Is the test multiple choice ?

[Redway]

Maybe it's Scotland only.:shrug:

My sister mentioned it. She's been head hunted by 3 elite businesses for her skills in customer care. So she will know.(I'm not talking outmy arse)


Is the test multiple choice ?

Who suspects you’re neurodivergent in the first place?

[Beso]

Who suspects you’re neurodivergent in the first place?

I would rather not say.

[Mystic Mock]

https://maggiemellon.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/david-tennant-800x400-1.jpg

David Tennant's wife opens up about their 'neurodiverse' kids - and reveals
'nightmare' situation they avoid

The ultra-woke Doctor Who man , 54, and his wife Georgia, 40, have five
children together, including her son from a previous relationship who he
adopted

Georgia, who married David in 2011, said they rarely eat together as a family as several of their kids have special requirements and like to eat different meals in separate spaces.

“I don't understand how people sit around and all eat together,”

“We've got a lot of neurodiverse non-binary kids so a couple of them don't
like eating around other people. They go and eat in separate rooms.

“A couple of them won't eat the same food, so we have to cook a different
meal for them. Mealtime is like two and a half hours of me wandering around
the house serving different people in different rooms.”

https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/david-tennant-wife-neurodiverse-kids-b1246127.html

Why did they mention about some of their children being Non-Binary in this particular situation?

Non-Binary people (if you believe in them) can have meals with their family members lol.

[Redway]

I would rather not say.

Don’t worry. That’s fair.