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arista
22-09-2025, 07:26 PM
Donald Trump 'to link paracetamol use to autism'
[Trump is reportedly expected to claim there
is a link between the use of
paracetamol in pregnancy and the
development of autism - but what does
the evidence say?
Americans consume more than 40% of all the world's
paracetamol, spending in excess of $4bn
a year on products containing acetaminophen
(as it is known in America - or by its leading
brand name, Tylenol).
Autism rates in the US are also on
the rise - going up from about one in
150 children in the year 2000,
to around one in 30 today.
There have also been a number of
well-publicised studies suggesting a correlation
between mothers who took paracetamol
during pregnancy and the birth of a
child with autism or
other neurodevelopmental disorders such as ADHD.
So surely something must be going on?]
https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-to-link-paracetamol-use-to-autism-heres-what-the-evidence-says-13436398
I heard him randomly start going on about this for ages during his tribute to Charlie Kirk last night
Certainly an interesting theory. The science might not be conclusive about it but people rarely need paracetamol so maybe it's good to challenge it's widespread use
I heard him randomly start going on about this for ages during his tribute to Charlie Kirk last night
Certainly an interesting theory. The science might not be conclusive about it but people rarely need paracetamol so maybe it's good to challenge it's widespread use
Yes, it was random and very inappropriate for a memorial.
Absolutely to the last bits.
arista
22-09-2025, 08:50 PM
He is Live now
on all TV news
He has Doctors with him.
arista
22-09-2025, 08:59 PM
He says do not take Tylenol
He then Stated Cuba does not take Tylenol
and they no Autism?
BBC has left the live broadcast
All other News still have it
The Tylenol manufacturer is mad. Oh no. I am here for when all of the media suddenly become rabid supporters of the pharmaceutical industry.
The only thing I took during pregnancy was Unisom for morning sickness and prenatal vitamins. I even cut caffeine. My OB got mad because I wouldn't take anything for my symptoms during a URI lol.
Most everything here is labeled not widely tested for safety during pregnancy anyway so technically it's advised to avoid it by the manufacturer. So it might make sense why a lot of people might be taking Tylenol more often than they should especially if they are told the baby may not tolerate anything else. (I believe it is on the safe list.) Just a thought.
arista
22-09-2025, 10:00 PM
Yes Maru
we need Family Doctors,
to do a debate on this
Benjamin
22-09-2025, 10:03 PM
Does he have any evidence on the link? I’ve not followed it live to know what he presented.
Cherie
22-09-2025, 10:07 PM
Does he have any evidence on the link? I’ve not followed it live to know what he presented.
I dont believe he presented evidence per se, apart from the Amish dont have Autism, then he shoved Robert Kennedy forward to speak and he is difficult to understand, I think most women avoid all types of drugs in pregnancy, not too many are going to be taking parcetomol on a regular basis
Benjamin
22-09-2025, 10:08 PM
I dont believe he presented evidence per se, apart from the Amish dont have Autism, then he shoved Robert Kennedy forward to speak and he is difficult to understand, I think most women avoid all types of drugs in pregnancy, not too many are going to be taking parcetomol on a regular basis
:joker:
Thanks for the summary.
Does he have any evidence on the link? I’ve not followed it live to know what he presented.
There were some doctors who spoke and some Moms who mostly just seemed to be there to praise Trump for trying but I am of the mind it needs more than just talk to be proven. I am sure there a lot of things we consume that can be problematic, but sifting through any crazy to find a solid consensus needs time...
I dont believe he presented evidence per se, apart from the Amish dont have Autism, then he shoved Robert Kennedy forward to speak and he is difficult to understand, I think most women avoid all types of drugs in pregnancy, not too many are going to be taking parcetomol on a regular basis
You forgot about the Tylenol skeptic Cubans from aristas post
Barry.
22-09-2025, 10:18 PM
I doubt it and it’s kind of an insult to us autistic people
Oh this is definitely winning language here.
The president said the FDA will immediately notify physicians to warn pregnant women to avoid acetaminophen, sold under the brand name Tylenol, 'unless medically necessary,' such as in cases of 'extremely high fever'.
He warned that pregnant women 'have a responsibility' to endure pain instead of taking Tylenol and only take it if they 'can't tough it out' or have an extremely high fever.
Trump makes extraordinary autism announcement, taking aim at Tylenol and vows to rip up jab schedule https://mol.im/a/15123181
Has anyone mentioned Kennedy's brain worm yet
Is Trump allowed to spout out stuff like this with impunity ??
The shares of Paracetamol may drop 25% overnight …
I thought there were rules and guidelines
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Is Trump allowed to spout out stuff like this with impunity ??
The shares of Paracetamol may drop 25% overnight …
I thought there were rules and guidelines
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
No the govt will likely be sued and we'll have to pay for all the legal (taxpayers)
The Slim Reaper
23-09-2025, 12:25 AM
Making ish up, as usual.
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Trump Suggests Amish, Cubans Have ‘No Autism’ Amid Tylenol Announcement
https://www.newsweek.com/trump-suggests-amish-cubans-have-no-autism-amid-tylenol-announcement-10472916
Trump made several unproven claims during Monday's news conference. "I think I can say that there are certain groups of people that don't take any vaccines or don't take any pills that have no autism," he said, before immediately asking his health officials, "Is that a correct statement by the way?" Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Robert Kennedy Jr. cited the Amish as an example, prompting Trump to say they have essentially no autism.
The president then extended his claims to Cuba, saying: "I mean, there's a rumor and I don't know if it's still or not that Cuba, they don't have Tylenol because they don't have the money for Tylenol, and they have virtually no autism, OK?"
Scientific research contradicts Trump's claims about both communities. Regarding the Amish, a 2008 study published in the Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders found autism prevalence in Pennsylvania's Amish population comparable to general population rates. A subsequent 2011 study comparing Amish and non-Amish populations in Ohio found no significant difference in autism rates.
Cuba's autism statistics also contradict Trump's claims. Based on Ministry of Public Health data and records from people receiving autism services, officials estimate that 1 in 2,500 Cuban children have autism spectrum disorder, though they recognize this is likely an underestimate due to flawed surveillance methods, according to MEDICC Review.
Tylenol-maker Kenvue’s stock has lost a quarter of its value in 6 months as momentum grows for autism link despite repeated denials
https://fortune.com/2025/09/22/tylenol-maker-kenvue-stock-trump-autism-link/
A pending announcement from the Trump administration linking pain relief drug acetaminophen with autism has stirred investor anxiety in the drug’s primary producer. The share price of Kenvue, the parent company of Tylenol, is down more than 5% on Monday following President Donald Trump’s comments that acetaminophen is “a very big factor” for the risk of autism. Kenvue’s stock is down 25% over the last six months as the company has worked—against investor sentiment—to navigate repeated claims about the pain reliever’s alleged link with autism.
Tylenol maker Kenvue plunges on reports that the White House planned to link the drug to autism
https://www.businessinsider.com/tylenol-autism-link-white-house-kenvue-stock-price-hhs-kennedy-2025-9?op=1
The move: Shares of Tylenol maker Kenvue fell over 7% on Monday, extending the company's year-to-date loss to 21%, before rebounding by more than 4% in after-hours trading.
Kenvue has said it strongly disagrees with claims that Tylenol is linked to autism, stating it believes science has shown there's no causal link to acetaminophen use.
The stock joins the ranks of other pharmaceutical shares that have struggled in 2025 as Kennedy and the Trump administration try to reshape discussions around public health. Vaccine makers in particular have been under pressure amid changes to vaccine guidance proposed by the government.
Kennedy has said that vaccines can be linked to autism, though many medical experts reject the claim. Pfizer and Merck & Co. are among the companies that have struggled since Kennedy assumed control of the HHS.
arista
23-09-2025, 04:27 AM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx20d4lr67lo
38seconds on the BBC Link
And he should have said Cuba has less
My Pediatrician already sent a note out with a comment from the AAP that pretty much translates to "Nope".
Social media will go with anything, so I won't consider that a reference, but I don't see many taking this at face value without very good evidence. I didn't listen to the parts where Trump or Kennedy spoke (only through reading) because I don't really feel politicians are credible on this matter but I did hear the doctors and it wasn't convincing.
There is also the matter of pain relief being critical if it is far too much pain as that adds to stress which is not good for baby also. You usually have to get ahead with meds not wait until you are doing very poorly. That wasn't addressed probably but the comfort of the mother is actually important too.
I don't think it will stop most people from taking it but maybe they take it even less if it's not needed. It wouldn't stop me if I felt I needed it. I just think it's strange this crowd they are appealing to would've been the first to tell us not to trust govt experts... but now here they are insisting we take them at face value when the claim is very large.
…I mean, this is real life…this is the President of the US….all countries are not equal in how effective autism is diagnosed there…it’s not that it exists less, more that the diagnosis is less…
…many pregnant women don’t take any medications at all while pregnant and yet autism is on the rise…?…/…the logic being because it’s able to be diagnosed more and more…it does feel like another control step, though…the President of the US…(…not medically trained people…)…will decide what a woman can safely take when she’s pregnant…
…I mean, this is real life…this is the President of the US….all countries are not equal in how effective autism is diagnosed there…it’s not that it exists less, more that the diagnosis is less…
…many pregnant women don’t take any medications at all while pregnant and yet autism is on the rise…?…/…the logic being because it’s able to be diagnosed more and more…it does feel like another control step, though…the President of the US…(…not medically trained people…)…will decide what a woman can safely take when she’s pregnant…
This is the same man that recommended people inject themselves with disinfectant to fight covid. Are peoples memories really that bad?
This is the same man that recommended people inject themselves with disinfectant to fight covid. Are peoples memories really that bad?
…yeah, the bleach recommendation was also what I was thinking yesterday when I heard his words…as I say, it’s kind of laughable but it’s not because this is actually real life and he has such a Messiah/God complex that surely has the medical profession screaming in frustration at his words…
This is the same man that recommended people inject themselves with disinfectant to fight covid. Are peoples memories really that bad?
…I mean, the response to that I’m sad to say is that…yes, memories are that short because we’re also looking at Nigel Farage leading the UK in the up and coming…the man who lied the voting into Brexit with promises of a better NHS with more funding…but I digress, obviously….but yes, in response to what you say…mass memories and minds can be led on a day to day basis, sadly….
Cherie
23-09-2025, 07:20 AM
This idiot speaks, and people just go along with whatever nonsense he spouts. Honestly, he's never even coherent. There are zero links between tylonol and autism. None.
No amount of couching this BS with per se, will ever make folks just point out the fact that the emperor, is in fact, stark bollock naked.
This is your king, Maru :laugh:
oh I thought you would get the per se joke, I mean its nonsense, like I say most women wont take any drugs when pregnant, there are women who wont even have chemo never mind popping paracetomol
…he would be a joke if he wasn’t President of the US and had a position of being one of the most powerful people in the world…that’s what makes him terrifying….
This is the same man that recommended people inject themselves with disinfectant to fight covid. Are peoples memories really that bad?
I can't speak for others, but he says so many different things at one time that have random meaning that I tend to just turn off any content where he is talking extensively. I can only endure so much.
Trump is like listening to a verbal circus on wheels but then there are all these minor players that try to keep up with him also. Example: One can find one small part to fixate on when listening to a rally for facts, for example, but then he will move on quickly to something else and it is very easy to get lost in the depths of each claim. After a while it discredits itself as being of any worth listening to.
It's never just one single claim to focus on for a week or so. I think that is by design. The media is too easily rattled by their own inability to correct individual things quickly enough. So much so other priorities start to take over and there is no longer any heirarchy to anything that gets said. So it gets harder to follow and news gets buried this way because there is always a new claim.
As a viewer it's not just monitoring Trump's behavior and speech but then a rabid media also. It's a full time job if you really want to research everything properly.
Btw, Snopes has that claim as mostly false when I looked up a version of a quote. Not that it matters, as so many things get said.
Well you never know Trump may be right, the links between the two seem inconclusive rather than nonexistent. We normally take an extremely precautionary approach with things like alcohol so why not with drugs too. Some times it's good to challenge the consensus of pharma companies - I think pills of all kinds are far too widely distributed in most of the West but the US has a particular problem with it
I can't speak for others, but he says so many different things at one time that have random meaning that I tend to just turn off any content where he is talking extensively. I can only endure so much.
Trump is like listening to a verbal circus on wheels but then there are all these minor players that try to keep up with him also. Example: One can find one small part to fixate on when listening to a rally for facts, for example, but then he will move on quickly to something else and it is very easy to get lost in the depths of each claim. After a while it discredits itself as being of any worth listening to.
It's never just one single claim to focus on for a week or so. I think that is by design. The media is too easily rattled by their own inability to correct individual things quickly enough. So much so other priorities start to take over and there is no longer any heirarchy to anything that gets said. So it gets harder to follow and news gets buried this way because there is always a new claim.
As a viewer it's not just monitoring Trump's behavior and speech but then a rabid media also. It's a full time job if you really want to research everything properly.
Btw, Snopes has that claim as mostly false when I looked up a version of a quote. Not that it matters, as so many things get said.
yes, the dumping of lots of different things on multiple fronts is the trump playbook and it works like a charm every time
The Slim Reaper
23-09-2025, 10:53 AM
Well you never know Trump may be right, the links between the two seem inconclusive rather than nonexistent. We normally take an extremely precautionary approach with things like alcohol so why not with drugs too. Some times it's good to challenge the consensus of pharma companies - I think pills of all kinds are far too widely distributed in most of the West but the US has a particular problem with it
Come on. If the US actually wanted to deal with it's over prescribing of medicines it would ban drug advertisements on TV, but they won't do that, of course, because profits. This is pure RFK ideology.
The Slim Reaper
23-09-2025, 11:05 AM
I can't speak for others, but he says so many different things at one time that have random meaning that I tend to just turn off any content where he is talking extensively. I can only endure so much.
Trump is like listening to a verbal circus on wheels but then there are all these minor players that try to keep up with him also. Example: One can find one small part to fixate on when listening to a rally for facts, for example, but then he will move on quickly to something else and it is very easy to get lost in the depths of each claim. After a while it discredits itself as being of any worth listening to.
It's never just one single claim to focus on for a week or so. I think that is by design. The media is too easily rattled by their own inability to correct individual things quickly enough. So much so other priorities start to take over and there is no longer any heirarchy to anything that gets said. So it gets harder to follow and news gets buried this way because there is always a new claim.
As a viewer it's not just monitoring Trump's behavior and speech but then a rabid media also. It's a full time job if you really want to research everything properly.
Btw, Snopes has that claim as mostly false when I looked up a version of a quote. Not that it matters, as so many things get said.
Did you vote for this idiot 3 times?
yes, the dumping of lots of different things on multiple fronts is the trump playbook and it works like a charm every time
It's all being reciprocated at this point though, which undermines the point of opposing bad ideas in the first place. There's no way an average person can keep up with the number of claims, not just by him, but all the people surrounding that, the complex media apparatus, our institutions, etc. That's not even touching international. The media expects too much. Most people work and don't have the time and energy to get involved and deeply research everyone's current political pet peeve. We're forgetting that many people are not partisan and don't follow political matters as a sport. So when they're tuning in to find out out the news... "oh I need to see our biggest concerns"... and they see the media arguing about a poorly phrased tweet from a politician or some other stupid **** Trump has said, they're going to just tune right back out because it's a distraction from their real lives...
I know some in media cried very hard at the prospect of Kimmel's unfunny jokes and terrible takes never being heard again, but it's actually in the media's interest to cut the noise back and to start focusing more on the issues people actually do care about. The problem is it'll never happen because that'll make the political blood sport watchers super mad as not every single claim was addressed the moment it happened and that's the most engaged demographic... and it's an irritating one:
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On what planet is the above statement "I would rather listen to medical professionals" controversial?
Saving your scrolls for other uses:
As a rule, I don't think we should mock people for trying to figure out how to make the best decisions for themselves for the same reason it is wrong to expect science to have all the information ahead of time when science does in fact correct itself overtime to improve a consensus. I agree with MTVN's that points to this sentiment and I think this is certainly correct. That said, I don't know how they prove or disprove it without getting enough women to agree to play guinea pig (good luck).. it's very hard to get good studies as it probably relies on a lot of self-reports during general care and not a steady dosage or anything...
In the US, there's more medical freedom depending on the area of practice, so there can be doctors that only vaccinate based on the traditional classic schedule with fewer vaccines and only focusing on the necessities. I think that is a good compromise and I know at least one family that does this. I don't know where our care falls and I don't worry about it. Our pediatrician moved across town shortly after we started with her to start her own practice but we now drive about 45 minutes to go see her. That's how much we trust her level of care and expertise.
joeysteele
23-09-2025, 06:51 PM
Sorry but to me he's stark raving bonkers more likely.
Although I'd add, probably dangerously so.
The Slim Reaper
23-09-2025, 06:55 PM
It's all being reciprocated at this point though, which undermines the point of opposing bad ideas in the first place. There's no way an average person can keep up with the number of claims, not just by him, but all the people surrounding that, the complex media apparatus, our institutions, etc. That's not even touching international. The media expects too much. Most people work and don't have the time and energy to get involved and deeply research everyone's current political pet peeve. We're forgetting that many people are not partisan and don't follow political matters as a sport. So when they're tuning in to find out out the news... "oh I need to see our biggest concerns"... and they see the media arguing about a poorly phrased tweet from a politician or some other stupid **** Trump has said, they're going to just tune right back out because it's a distraction from their real lives...
I know some in media cried very hard at the prospect of Kimmel's unfunny jokes and terrible takes never being heard again, but it's actually in the media's interest to cut the noise back and to start focusing more on the issues people actually do care about. The problem is it'll never happen because that'll make the political blood sport watchers super mad as not every single claim was addressed the moment it happened and that's the most engaged demographic... and it's an irritating one:
1970524932363739323
On what planet is the above statement "I would rather listen to medical professionals" controversial?
Saving your scrolls for other uses:
As a rule, I don't think we should mock people for trying to figure out how to make the best decisions for themselves for the same reason it is wrong to expect science to have all the information ahead of time when science does in fact correct itself overtime to improve a consensus. I agree with MTVN's that points to this sentiment and I think this is certainly correct. That said, I don't know how they prove or disprove it without getting enough women to agree to play guinea pig (good luck).. it's very hard to get good studies as it probably relies on a lot of self-reports during general care and not a steady dosage or anything...
In the US, there's more medical freedom depending on the area of practice, so there can be doctors that only vaccinate based on the traditional classic schedule with fewer vaccines and only focusing on the necessities. I think that is a good compromise and I know at least one family that does this. I don't know where our care falls and I don't worry about it. Our pediatrician moved across town shortly after we started with her to start her own practice but we now drive about 45 minutes to go see her. That's how much we trust her level of care and expertise.
You seem to go to a lot of effort to rationalise the irrational when it comes to trump.
emseateng2014
23-09-2025, 08:05 PM
even on abc the view they said listen to your doctor and not rfk jr
rfk jr is like the 1st republican kennedy in the kennedy family since arnold aka the terminator even thought arnold was a member of the kennedys through marriage but still was one of them
Benjamin
23-09-2025, 08:19 PM
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Trump’s statement was stupid and dangerous without any real evidence. But people going on social media showing themselves take it is equally stupid and dangerous as some who prob don’t take it will likely watch, copy and do themselves some harm
Trump’s statement was stupid and dangerous without any real evidence. But people going on social media showing themselves take it is equally stupid and dangerous as some who prob don’t take it will likely watch, copy and do themselves some harmWho said Trump didn't have any real evidence?
Benjamin
23-09-2025, 08:24 PM
Who said Trump didn't have any real evidence?
If you’d like to bring that evidence here if he had some.
If you’d like to bring that evidence here if he had some.Why would I be in possession of the evidence? Your answer doesn't even make any sense to the question I asked you.
Benjamin
23-09-2025, 08:32 PM
Why would I be in possession of the evidence? Your answer doesn't even make any sense to the question I asked you.
Not that difficult to understand.
You’re questioning me saying he had no evidence. I’m asking you to present some if you think he had some, as would be odd if he had something concrete and didn’t share it publicly to back up his claims.
Not that difficult to understand.
You’re questioning me saying he had no evidence. I’m asking you to present some if you think he had some, as would be odd if he had something concrete and didn’t share it to back up his claims.I'm asking you, who's said that he doesn't have any real evidence? You must have heard someone say it, because you seem for sure that he has no real evidence.
Did someone tell you that or is it just your opinion that you personally don't believe he does?
Benjamin
23-09-2025, 08:39 PM
I'm asking you, who's said that he doesn't have any real evidence? You must have heard someone say it, because you seem for sure that he has no real evidence.
Did someone tell you that or is it just your opinion that you personally don't believe he does?
He hasn’t presented any concrete evidence.
You believe he has evidence?
Who said Trump didn't have any real evidence?
any sane person who watched his press conference
I'm asking you, who's said that he doesn't have any real evidence? You must have heard someone say it, because you seem for sure that he has no real evidence.
Did someone tell you that or is it just your opinion that you personally don't believe he does?
I didn't watch the parts with the politicians because I don't care what Trump himself says. He had a few doctors on and they mentioned a trend in studies. That's fine, but a few studies is very different than a consensus. His claim is so large, it has to be very rigorous evidence to change the habits of most people, I would think.
This is an interesting tweet from Tylenol themselves back in 2017.
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Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) is dangerous.
Glenn.
24-09-2025, 08:36 AM
Trumps derangement is dangerous
Benjamin
24-09-2025, 08:44 AM
Trump derangement syndrome (TDS) is dangerous.
Not going to respond to my question?
Glenn.
24-09-2025, 08:52 AM
Did you provide him with fact? MAGA doesn’t like that.
Not going to respond to my question?To be honest, it was a stupid question.
It's a question I'm in no position to have the answer for.
I could take an opinionated guess for you and say that in my experience, Trump usually ends up being correct in the end.
Did you provide him with fact? MAGA doesn’t like that.No, he didn't provide me with fact, just his opinion.
Benjamin
24-09-2025, 09:17 AM
To be honest, it was a stupid question.
It's a question I'm in no position to have the answer for.
I could take an opinionated guess for you and say that in my experience, Trump usually ends up being correct in the end.
I asked if you believe he has evidence. Not a stupid question at all. You just don’t like it. And of course you can’t provide evidence as neither can Trump, so I’ll just move on from your trolling posts.
I asked if you believe he has evidence. Not a stupid question at all. You just don’t like it. And of course you can’t provide evidence as neither can Trump, so I’ll just move on from your trolling posts.Shut up you tart.
Benjamin
24-09-2025, 09:25 AM
Shut up you tart.
Brilliant response…
Brilliant response…Thank you. I stole it from Del boy.
Crimson Dynamo
24-09-2025, 09:28 AM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G1hCqefWAAAzvzk?format=jpg&name=small
the reality is that AI is perfectly capable of working out if there is a problem with paracetamol. When i heard this story, i thought, wow everyone takes this on a regular basis, but, personally, i can't remember the last time I took paracetamol myself. It must be at least 30 or 40 years ago. A lot of drug use is habitual and under those circumstances, it may be a big problem if it's taken very frequently. Let AI do what it's good at would be my advice
Nicky91
24-09-2025, 03:44 PM
almost as stupid as saying drinking bleach is a cure against covid
:idc:
Crimson Dynamo
24-09-2025, 03:58 PM
almost as stupid as saying drinking bleach is a cure against covid
:idc:
or that paper and cloth masks work
or that paper and cloth masks work
You understand drinking bleach illicits a danger that wearing a cloth mask doesn't though, right? It's okay you can criticise Trump it's a safe space.
the reality is that AI is perfectly capable of working out if there is a problem with paracetamol. When i heard this story, i thought, wow everyone takes this on a regular basis, but, personally, i can't remember the last time I took paracetamol myself. It must be at least 30 or 40 years ago. A lot of drug use is habitual and under those circumstances, it may be a big problem if it's taken very frequently. Let AI do what it's good at would be my advice
AI can't even manage to count the number of days between dates. A basic function that has lived in the standard libraries of most programming languages since forever.
https://i.postimg.cc/FK6cpwnH/Screenshot-asdfasdf.jpg
Also, it's encouraging kids to commit suicide:
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11692299&postcount=17
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11692300&postcount=18
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11692301&postcount=19
AI failing to report accurate details on a very public news story:
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11693419&postcount=1174
AI "learns" through and relies on the manipulations of human beings. It can't do squat without our intervention. All it takes is slowly introducing a slight bias on top of the other algorithmic quirks it's prone to and the results are completely worthless.
I'll take my medical advice from a trained professional. We're not perfect, but it's easier to discern the actual source and the place it's coming from. I use AI for inconsequential things, but it's not a serious tool in any way.
AI can't even manage to count the number of days between dates. A basic function that has lived in the standard libraries of most programming languages since forever.
https://i.postimg.cc/FK6cpwnH/Screenshot-asdfasdf.jpg
Also, it's encouraging kids to commit suicide:
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11692299&postcount=17
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11692300&postcount=18
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11692301&postcount=19
AI failing to report accurate details on a very public news story:
https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11693419&postcount=1174
AI "learns" relies on the manipulations of human beings. It can't do squat without our intervention. All it takes is slowly introducing a slight bias on top of the other algorithmic quirks it's prone to and the results are completely worthless.
I'll take my medical advice from a trained professional. We're not perfect, but it's easier to discern the actual source and the place it's coming from. I use AI for inconsequential things, but it's not a serious tool in any way.
it depends what model you use for the particular task. For medical research AI has proven to be extremely valuable
Crimson Dynamo
24-09-2025, 04:40 PM
Or that the covid vaccine stops the spread of covid
Or that the virus did not come from a CHINESE Covid lab
Or that the covid vaccine stops the spread of covid
that was primarily propaganda spread by politicians. It can be a true statement for some viruses that don't mutate quickly and where the majority of the population don't have the virus, both conditions that were not true for covid
that was primarily propaganda spread by politicians. It can be a true statement for some viruses that don't mutate quickly and where the majority of the population don't have the virus, both conditions that were not true for covid
Politicians can incidentally spread (pun not intended) bad information by just being generally dumb and not understanding how these things actually work.
I personally never encountered a politician saying it stopped the spread (but I'm sure someone said it lol). I don't tend to put a lot of stock into any single politician, especially on anything medical, so I do my own research. A lot of people assumed it though, but no one really corrected them on that impression...
Politicians can incidentally spread (pun not intended) bad information by just being generally dumb and not understanding how these things actually work.
I personally never encountered a politician saying it stopped the spread (but I'm sure someone said it lol). I don't tend to put a lot of stock into any single politician, especially on anything medical, so I do my own research. A lot of people assumed it though, but no one really corrected them on that impression...
i'm 99% sure Biden said it :laugh: I know Boris said it here
Crimson Dynamo
24-09-2025, 05:07 PM
that was primarily propaganda spread by politicians. It can be a true statement for some viruses that don't mutate quickly and where the majority of the population don't have the virus, both conditions that were not true for covid
Looking back on it (and its only 5 years) the sheer scale of bs that was given out as "science" is staggering
Lockdowns being the largest of the hoaxes
i'm 99% sure Biden said it :laugh: I know Boris said it here
Biden's state of mind was never that great to begin with. I'll give him a pass.
I didn't pay much attention to the shutdown in the UK, but funny enough, I was in my workshop making small furniture when I learned about it starting up there before it even really reached here. :laugh: We were able to prep in advance and we sat it out just fine. Texas never closed to the extent of other states, so we were mostly normal except no one wanted to go to a restaurant, but it was hard to come by basic things like TP.
Edit: I think it's possible I caught it a few months before it started to spread though. My doctors office at the time was Asian-run and so lots of frequent travelers from that region as that community leaves town a lot and I definitely caught something from there that was really nasty...
When someone says to drink bleach to ward off infection and you still can't bring yourself to criticise them you are in a cult. Just so you are aware. Seek professional help.
Biden's state of mind was never that great to begin with. I'll give him a pass.
I didn't pay much attention to the shutdown in the UK, but funny enough, I was in my workshop making small furniture when I learned about it starting up there before it even really reached here. :laugh: We were able to prep in advance and we sat it out just fine. Texas never closed to the extent of other states, so we were mostly normal except no one wanted to go to a restaurant, but it was hard to come by basic things like TP.
when i think back, it was something like sing happy birthday twice while washing your hands, masks everywhere indoors and the one that really annoyed me .... vaccine passports to go to the pub
Yes Covid times was full of propaganda, it was insane and ridiculous and senseless.
Redway
24-09-2025, 05:14 PM
Can this guy get any-more repulsive?
The Slim Reaper
24-09-2025, 05:18 PM
that was primarily propaganda spread by politicians. It can be a true statement for some viruses that don't mutate quickly and where the majority of the population don't have the virus, both conditions that were not true for covid
I also think people forget the scenes of death we were watching on a daily basis during covid. To pretend that the vaccine didn't do a great (not perfect) job is pure revisionism
when i think back, it was something like sing happy birthday twice while washing your hands, masks everywhere indoors and the one that really annoyed me .... vaccine passports to go to the pub
The thing is, I remember listening to Fauci on this before there was this big thing with the masks and he was like... there's no point, as soon as you put your hands on a mask, it's already contaminated. You'd have to walk around not touching your face and he said I think he said something like 2 hours and it would be no good just about (I mean it makes sense, the material would get saturated and yucky over time)... then he said, don't go buying a ton of masks because the surgeons needed it...
Then I guess he got whispered in the backroom to change his tune or something. After that, I just stopped ****ing listening to the govt and we used our own best judgement. But I remember walking around Walmart and seeing people in 3M Masks/Ventilators... only problem is most of what you would buy off the shelf don't have the correct filter. So they were using a Particulate filter (for like sanding, etc) and I'm like well they'll be OK from dust, but not a highly contagious virus so much...
Edit: The other thing that really annoyed me was seeing all the litter... masks just left everywhere in parking lots. That personally disgusted me :spin:
I also think people forget the scenes of death we were watching on a daily basis during covid. To pretend that the vaccine didn't do a great (not perfect) job is pure revisionism
The Covid jab did help protect people, but it didn't stop it passing it on, and therefore should never have been touted as a necessity for those who were at little risk from Covid. I remember the whole 'get the jab to save granny' even though it would have made no difference if I got the jab or not to my granny. There was huge amounts of propaganda during Covid and I say that as someone who had the vaccine.
The scenes of death were bad of course, but also there was propaganda around that too - never ever have we had a 'death count'. We also watched in real time as those deaths were misrepresented to cause fear.
I Still remember the videos coming out of CHina of people just dropping dead from Covid in the street and how that literally never ever happened anywhere else in the world at any point since.
There was a lot of weirdness around Covid and a lot of lies or manipulation, IMO.
Crimson Dynamo
24-09-2025, 05:24 PM
The thing is, I remember listening to Fauci on this before there was this big thing with the masks and he was like... there's no point, as soon as you put your hands on a mask, it's already contaminated. You'd have to walk around not touching your face and he said I think he said something like 2 hours and it would be no good just about (I mean it makes sense, the material would get saturated and yucky over time)... then he said, don't go buying a ton of masks because the surgeons needed it...
Then I guess he got whispered in the backroom to change his tune or something. After that, I just stopped ****ing listening to the govt and we used our own best judgement. But I remember walking around Walmart and seeing people in 3M Masks/Ventilators... only problem is most of what you would buy off the shelf don't have the correct filter. So they were using a Particulate filter (for like sanding, etc) and I'm like well they'll be OK from dust, but not a highly contagious virus so much...
Edit: The other thing that really annoyed me was seeing all the litter... masks just left everywhere in parking lots. That personally disgusted me :spin:
I was sad to see the mental health problem child of Ben Affleck and Lopez be given a platform to rant about Covid masks in 2025
Both their children have been failed they need help not promotion
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The Slim Reaper
24-09-2025, 05:38 PM
The Covid jab did help protect people, but it didn't stop it passing it on, and therefore should never have been touted as a necessity for those who were at little risk from Covid. I remember the whole 'get the jab to save granny' even though it would have made no difference if I got the jab or not to my granny. There was huge amounts of propaganda during Covid and I say that as someone who had the vaccine.
The scenes of death were bad of course, but also there was propaganda around that too - never ever have we had a 'death count'. We also watched in real time as those deaths were misrepresented to cause fear.
I Still remember the videos coming out of CHina of people just dropping dead from Covid in the street and how that literally never ever happened anywhere else in the world at any point since.
There was a lot of weirdness around Covid and a lot of lies or manipulation, IMO.
This is what I mean by misremembering. Nurses were wrapped in trash bags trying to protect themselves because everywhere was on it's arse. Families saying goodbye over tablets, temp hospitals being set up.
You can call the claim of invulnerability, propaganda, and I can sort of get on board with that, but without that vaccine things would have been a lot worse for a lot longer.
Boris bragging about shaking hands with everyone was propaganda based on British exceptionalism, and yet the only thing classed as propaganda around covid, is a vaccine that worked.
It's just misdirection.
This is what I mean by misremembering. Nurses were wrapped in trash bags trying to protect themselves because everywhere was on it's arse. Families saying goodbye over tablets, temp hospitals being set up..
I think some of that was needless though, and that’s why I believe it is propaganda. I did end up going down a right horrible rabbit hole during Covid and was pulled into alt right rhetoric, so I will concede looking back I got a lot wrong, but there are some things during Covid I still look extremely suspiciously on. I can’t get out of my head the images of the G4 summit with all the politicians stood socially distanced and then another image with them all mingling closely on the same stage. I can’t ever get over how if those in charge - those with the most information - were not worried then…
Anyway i appreciate I am certainly no expert and not privy to the front line work so I don’t want to labour the points too much. I certainly don’t hold the strong opinions I used to but I am dubious about the whole situation and how it was communicated to say the least.
So I've heard from a few people since that their doctors knew of the risks and were adamant for the mothers to NOT take acetaminophen. I've seen plenty of online accounts, but these are people closer to me who have brought it up on their own (during conversation)...
Also, Daily Caller shows a PDF with email exchange with J&J basically saying they were seeing the evidence stack up. That may not prove to be an absolute link, but I wonder if part of the reason they sold off the Tylenol label from under their umbrella was to avoid self-inflicted damage if the risk did start to add up. That way it became another company's problem. It's not like they "need" it in their portfolio... (even if it's like a spin off company, it can still limit liability and the extent of damage)
SCOOP: Tylenol Maker Privately Admitted Evidence Was Getting ‘Heavy’ For Autism Risk In 2018
https://dailycaller.com/2025/09/26/scoop-internal-docs-tylenol-maker-janssen-autism-risk/
And holy crap is this PDF/Image compressed...
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Direct PDF link: https://cdn01.dailycaller.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/09/184-185.pdf
The DCNF obtained the company documents from the law firm Keller Postman LLC, which brought a class action lawsuit against Kenvue in the Federal District Court for the Southern District of New York.
A decade before Weinstein’s email, in 2008, Johnson & Johnson began receiving queries from consumers and physicians about a possible link, emails show.
“Not much choice but to consider this a safety signal that needs to be evaluated,” J&J Office of Consumer Medical Safety Lead Andre Mann wrote in 2008 after receiving a letter from a physician with concerns.
Leslie Shur, the head of the division of Johnson & Johnson that monitors the side effects of drugs already on the market, received an alert in 2012 about concerns about acetaminophen and autism from a concerned father, with one employee writing “in case this goes to press.”
Concerns about a link between Tylenol and neurological disorders may have reached the C-suite by 2014, according to another email, which references then-Johnson & Johnson CEO Alex Gorski.
The makers of Tylenol have closely tracked a drumbeat of scientific publications finding an association between taking the blockbuster drug in pregnancy and infancy and autism risk, other company documents show. (RELATED: Pregnant Influencers Seemingly Try To Own Trump With Tylenol)
A 2018 internal presentation the company labeled “privileged and confidential” acknowledges that observational studies show a “somewhat consistent” association between prenatal exposure to Tylenol and neurodevelopmental disorders. Another presentation slide acknowledges that larger meta-analyses — reviews summarizing multiple scientific studies — found an association, but notes weaknesses of these studies like confounding variables and subjectivity in measuring autistic traits.
“Johnson & Johnson divested its consumer health business years ago, and all rights and liabilities associated with the sale of its over-the-counter products, including Tylenol (acetaminophen), are owned by Kenvue,” a Johnson & Johnson spokesman said in a statement.
Hearings before the Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit in the class action suit against Kenvue will begin Oct. 9. Judge Denise Cote granted summary judgement for Kenvue in September 2023, after tossing the scientific testimony from experts for Keller Postman, citing the “great public health implications” of pregnant women not having the drug.
Ashley Keller, lead attorney for the families with autistic children, argues the judge overstepped and that women should be alerted to the risk.
“We saw this nonsense with COVID on all sorts of things that turned out to be untrue. They said these lies were noble lies. Well, we shouldn’t sugar coat things for pregnant moms,” he said to the DCNF.
The judge also responded to the internal records showing that the company knew about studies showing an autism risk by saying that “candid internal discussion […] is positive corporate behavior.”
Whether it's legitimate or not, there's obviously more risk now for class actions/other legal challenges if their own discovery aka internal communications by prominent players are suggesting there is a link... it's not completely out of question and it's enough to get to damages if they are actively hiding any risks to fetus... that's enough to find fault in some jurisdictions in the US.
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