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Gusto Brunt
28-09-2025, 03:39 PM
Terrible. :(
arista
28-09-2025, 03:53 PM
Over 5 Dead,
Tragic.
Not yet on USA TV news
On the SkyNews Ticker, though
arista
28-09-2025, 04:01 PM
Good the Killer is Dead
arista
28-09-2025, 04:07 PM
Now Live on FoxNewsHD USA feed
Press Conference within an hour
Live news link
https://livenewsof.com/fox-news-live-stream/
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Unnoficial. Truck rammed into building, building on fire.
Image of gunmans truck.
https://x.com/BNONews/status/1972335560758120582
Someone said this is the THIRD mass shooting in the US over the last 24 hours !!
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Crimson Dynamo
28-09-2025, 04:32 PM
Mormon church
Looks fully on fire, will be rubble by the time they put out the flames
Ninastar
28-09-2025, 05:27 PM
This seems like there’s a lot of rage involved
Shooting up a place is awful enough in itself but to drive into the building, shoot people and then set it on fire?
What the ****
Another anti-Christian hate crime.. scary if Churches become new mass shooter targets like schools. Are we going to end up with armed guards at Churches now of all places
Another anti-Christian hate crime.. scary if Churches become new mass shooter targets like schools. Are we going to end up with armed guards at Churches now or all places
The whole melting pot in the USA is heading toward vigilantes. Every week the pressure increases. Every week another loner gets out their gun
Crimson Dynamo
28-09-2025, 05:58 PM
Another anti-Christian hate crime.. scary if Churches become new mass shooter targets like schools. Are we going to end up with armed guards at Churches now or all places
100,00 Christians dead in Nigeria
1200 churches destroyed
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Number of left-wing students/Labour, Liberal, SNP, South Irish MPs who give a f-uck = 0
:skull:
100,00 Christians dead in Nigeria
1200 churches destroyed
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Number of left-wing students/Labour, Liberal, SNP, South Irish MPs who give a f-uck = 0
:skull:
Yeah massacres of Christians happen a lot in Africa without ever getting media headlines
…another horrendous taking of lives and ironically when they themselves were celebrating a life lost in their community and church…
An ABC News source briefed on the investigation said detectives are urgently working to determine the motive behind the shooting. Investigators are working to learn whether the church had been the target of threats in recent months and looking to see whether the timing could be connected to the death on Saturday of Russell M. Nelson, president of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He was 101 years old.
Nelson died at his home in Salt Lake City, church spokesperson Candice Madsen said in a statement.
Shortly after the shooting, Attorney General Pam Bondi said in a post on X, "I am receiving briefings about what appears to be a horrific shooting and fire at an LDS church in Grand Blanc, Michigan. @FBI and @ATFHQ agents are en route to the scene now. Such violence at a place of worship is heartbreaking and chilling. Please join me in praying for the victims of this terrible tragedy."
Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer said her "heart is breaking for the Grand Blanc community" in a statement on X.
"Violence anywhere, especially in a place of worship, is unacceptable," she said. "I am grateful to the first responders who took action quickly. We will continue to monitor this situation and hold the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints in the Grand Blanc close."
For years, law enforcement and homeland security experts have been warning that religious institutions across the board are being targeted for acts of violence.
"We can all agree that our houses of worship should be safe places for people to exercise their freedom of religion but right now we are increasingly seeing them being targets for violence -- and not just attacks any one faith," Michael Masters, who oversees security operations for the main U.S. network of Jewish schools and synagogues, told ABC News. "Attacks against religious institutions are attacks against our democracy as a whole."
Masters said there has been an increase in targeted attacks across the faith-based community over the past several years.
"This is something we've been working to prepare for in the Jewish community for many years. In the current threat environment, the offenders are often not distinguishing. There's the Jewish community, the Sikh community, the Annunciation church and now the LDS church in Michigan," he said.
emseateng2014
28-09-2025, 07:28 PM
maybe the africa massacres of christians news are only headliners breaking news by the right wing media since they are in my opinion known for as being on the right side of the news that wants to report almost everything and anything that looks like its huge big breaking news but for others it may actually be small news like its only local
or in the words of the right wing media multiverse the mainstream media only want to report that fits the narritive
Yeah massacres of Christians happen a lot in Africa without ever getting media headlines
Crimson Dynamo
28-09-2025, 07:34 PM
maybe the africa massacres of christians news are only headliners breaking news by the right wing media since they are in my opinion known for as being on the right side of the news that wants to report almost everything and anything that looks like its huge big breaking news but for others it may actually be small news like its only local
or in the words of the right wing media multiverse the mainstream media only want to report that fits the narritive
What?
emseateng2014
28-09-2025, 07:36 PM
must be from the the right wing media that said theres 3 mass shootings in the last 24 hours
Someone said this is the THIRD mass shooting in the US over the last 24 hours !!
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maybe the africa massacres of christians news are only headliners breaking news by the right wing media since they are in my opinion known for as being on the right side of the news that wants to report almost everything and anything that looks like its huge big breaking news but for others it may actually be small news like its only local
or in the words of the right wing media multiverse the mainstream media only want to report that fits the narritive
I'm not sure what you mean. I don't think the people being killed for their faith care much what the political leanings of the media are
Another anti-Christian hate crime.. scary if Churches become new mass shooter targets like schools. Are we going to end up with armed guards at Churches now of all places
That's already a thing as they've been known targets for at least a decade now.
emseateng2014
28-09-2025, 10:26 PM
i do not think any of the big time mainstream media like cnn bbc cbc global news ctv itv abc nbc and cbs did any tons of breaking news reports about africa mass shootings at christian churches
What?
emseateng2014
28-09-2025, 10:35 PM
i think it depends if its about politicial leanings of the media thought at least thats what i think in my opinion
I'm not sure what you mean. I don't think the people being killed for their faith care much what the political leanings of the media are
I've told you for years that the Democrats were the baddies. You're just starting to see it more regularly now.
So just to add information here that may or may not become relevant overtime, as I'm not sure if this is known in the UK or not...
The LDS operates a bit like a cult in some ways and is not your typical Christian church. They have their own doctrine that was added after the Bible and also figures who are seen as prophets in their own right both past and present (including living Leaders). That would mean they have had dreams and visions that overtime that shaped their leadership overtime.
Their most prominent Leader literally just died and while he was 101, they're now checking to see if there was some connection as it has to be ruled out.
So I'm wondering if it were possible the shooter was a former parishioner. LDS has a "Disconnection" policy that operates very similarly to Scientology. I wouldn't say they are as severe, but it just depends on the reason I suppose. It can involve some harassment and letters of warning of impending damnation, fun things like that. Mainly just to pressure people to come back into the fold. So if this particular church has had leadership or individuals who have treated people like dog**** for trying to leave, then I can see a ton of drama coming from that. Either that or stories local to that area that may have left a really negative impression on some people living in that area and I can see that influencing a motive. I was told it was a really large temple for that area.
I can't imagine that any of that should explain this particular mass shooting but I suppose anything is possible. The Mormons, while definitely very strong in their beliefs, are not particularly violent or unkind people by nature. In fact, usually the opposite...
Stuff about Mormons, Charlie Kirk shooting (Utah-specific politics related to Mormons) and how it may connect to motives for anti-Christian violence in this area of the country...:
Fun fact: Mormons practiced polygamy traditionally and there is a denomination/offshoot called FLDS (Fundamentalist LDS) who still practices it (illegally lol). There was a huge scandal with their Leader at a compound in TX (YFZ Ranch (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YFZ_Ranch)) that was raided, but pretty sure they are Utah-based. They're not fond of this group because they are very backwards. Anyway, the LDS church are very good record keepers when it comes to genealogy and membership so if the man was in any way associated with LDS it is very likely to be known by someone there.
I know of the LDS from both an acquaintance who was a member and also they could be seen riding bikes in my old neighborhood in full church garb (shirt & tie) doing missionary work. Missionary work is a rite of passage and the church is very involved in every aspect of life, from young to old.
Why Did the Mormon Church Stop Polygamy?
https://wasmormon.org/why-did-the-mormon-church-stop-polygamy/
Territorial Law: Utah and Mormon Conflict
When the Utah Territory was established in 1850, it was given the latitude to enact its own laws. The Mormon Church publicly acknowledged polygamy in 1852 when Orson Pratt announced the practice on behalf of Brigham Young. Utah’s territorial legislature (heavily influenced by LDS leadership) didn’t prohibit polygamy, but protected it.
During the 1850s, Marriage was defined in civil and religious terms as the union of one man and one woman. Most states did not codify a formal definition, but the assumption of monogamy was embedded in bigamy laws, court rulings, and Christian norms. In the 1850s, there were no federal anti-polygamy laws yet, but state laws criminalizing bigamy were widespread. Marriage was understood to be monogamous by default, rooted in common law and Christian tradition. The Mormon introduction of polygamy in Utah clashed with these norms and triggered growing national and political backlash, culminating in federal legislation in the 1860s.
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Federal Response Begins in the Late 1850s
While there was no specific federal law prohibiting polygamy during the 1850s, the U.S. government began to react to growing national outrage over the LDS Church’s plural marriage practices:
In 1856, the newly formed Republican Party platform condemned polygamy and slavery as the “twin relics of barbarism.” President James Buchanan sent federal troops to Utah in 1857 in what became known as the Utah War, partly due to concerns about Mormon theocracy and polygamy. The first major federal anti-polygamy law was not passed until 1862: the Morrill Anti-Bigamy Act, which criminalized plural marriage in U.S. territories.
The Manifesto of 1890
The decision by the church to stop practicing polygamy was driven by external factors, including legal and societal pressures, as well as pragmatic considerations.
The end of polygamy in the Mormon Church is often framed within the faithful narrative as a revelation from God, a divine shift in commandment to meet the needs of the time. But from a critical perspective, this explanation rings hollow when one examines the political and legal pressures that led to the 1890 Manifesto. The claim that “God’s laws are higher than man’s laws” is central to Mormon theology, yet when the U.S. Government began seizing Church property, disincorporating the Church, and threatening its very existence through legislation like the Edmunds-Tucker Act, the so-called unyielding law of God was suddenly negotiable. If polygamy truly was an eternal commandment, a higher law, then the Church’s abandonment of it under duress exposes a profound inconsistency in its claim to divine authority
TLDR: They were pressured to stop polygamy which paved the way for Utah to become a State (1896):
Politico:
Utah enters the Union as 45th state, Jan. 4, 1896
https://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/utah-enters-the-union-as-45th-state-jan-4-1896-233073
On this day in 1896, Utah became the 45th state to enter the Union. Six years earlier, Wilford Woodruff, president of the Mormon Church, issued a manifesto reforming the political and religious scene in Utah. The manifesto became a milestone on the road to statehood because it renounced polygamy within The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. (Woodruff, who was born in 1807 and died in 1898, had five or six wives and sired 33 children.)
Why are we talking about Utah? Remember that Charlie Kirks' shooting was in Utah. The shooter's family was Mormon (https://www.distractify.com/p/tyler-robinson-religion) also. It's all very likely to just be a coincidence, but I do think it is interesting from just the historical perspective of what has happened in the past in that part of the US, that there are also all these other tensions that arise from a conflict of beliefs. Not just religiously, but politically (as seen in Utah's formation), so maybe... so if it's not entirely a religious motive, maybe political elements push that person over the edge to act. It's a lot going on at the same time is all and maybe bits here and there have somehow made religious folk in that region a more vulnerable target for violence.
To add to speculation, there's a video clip that's floating around, which I'm hesitant to share, because it's unverified. Anyway, someone named "Kris Johns" tells the streamer that he is/was running for City Council and he supposedly canvassed this man's home very recently. For whatever reason, the conversation at the end turned very dark towards the LDS and he had made clear multiple times his position was that "the Mormons were the Anti-Christ". So if that is true, that would be a possible motive.
I'll share it here, but just remember it's unverified:
1972468629645279310
And indeed, Kris Johns is a candidate for City Council and Burton County is close to the church, if it's not in that exact county...:
Kris Johns (Burton City Council At-large, Michigan, candidate 2025)
https://ballotpedia.org/Kris_Johns_(Burton_City_Council_At-large,_Michigan,_candidate_2025)
I've told you for years that the Democrats were the baddies. You're just starting to see it more regularly now.
As someone who would know and have experienced this numerous times upfront and personally, truck owners, especially those who adorn their vehicles with overbearing displays of patriotism... those aren't generally Democrats. But "omg False flag", etc, have to wait until they actually investigate it...
DM shared a picture of him (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15143303/michigan-church-shooter-thomas-jacob-sanford-trump.html) at the beach in a "Make Liberals Cry Again" Trump shirt:
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/09/29/03/102529673-15143303-image-m-5_1759112256467.jpg
That doesn't mean this was politically-motivated. It's possible he has some problem with the LDS itself. And FWIW, they're not a progressive church... very much the latter (pun not intended, I swear)...
This article was posted about the LDS yesterday in Salt Lake City, Utah's online newspaper, just to give you an idea of where they see themselves politically on modern issues...
After 30 years, is the LDS family proclamation still relevant or a relic of the past?
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2025/09/27/lds-family-proclamation-30-is-it/
Eternal gender
“Gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.”
Laurie Lee Hall, a transgender woman and former temple architect who was excommunicated from the church, initially cheered that sentiment in the proclamation. She, too, believed that gender is eternal. It’s just that her male body, she said, didn’t fit her identity.
For years, top Latter-day Saint leaders were not sure what to do with that statement and made no attempt to explain it further. That all changed, though, in October 2019, when Oaks defined gender as the “biological sex at birth.”
This shift in terminology, Hall says, “represented a dark day for transgender church members” and “is at the root of the church’s egregious restrictions now in place since last year against all who transition away from their biological sex at birth.”
(Aug 2024)
‘Trans people are not predators’: Scholars say new LDS Church policies stoke groundless fears
https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2024/08/24/new-lds-church-policies/
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has announced a new approach to transgender individuals in the global faith of 17.2 million members — and it has created a firestorm among LGBTQ members and their allies.
The policies may be the most extreme since the hotly disputed, and now-discarded, exclusion policy of November 2015 regarding same-sex couples.
Under the newly released guidelines, members who have transitioned in any way — whether surgically, medically or socially — cannot receive temple recommends, work with children, serve as teachers in their congregations or fill any gender-specific assignments, such as president of the women’s Relief Society.
Local News coverage. Looks like they used robots to search his home via Bomb Squad.
His neighbors had a lot of good things to say about the shooter, actually...
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Timestamp: https://youtu.be/rSpWDIrf2ac?si=pxgHkFmIjOqu1nch&t=398
His home is 8mi (~13km) away from the LDS temple and there's a church on either side of his home.
…just adding to Maru’s articles…
Michigan Mormon church shooting latest: Suspect killed by police identified as former US marine Thomas Jacob Sanford…
Four people were killed and at least eight injured after a gunman rammed his car into a Mormon church in Michigan before opening fire on the churchgoers, police said.
The shooting took place at the Church of Latter Day Saints in Grand Blanc Township, about 50 miles north of Detroit, at 10:25 a.m. Sunday, Grand Blanc police said.
The suspected gunman was Thomas Jacob Sanford, 40, who was subsequently killed, Grand Blanc Township police chief William Renye said.
Officials say seven of the victims are in stable condition while one is critical.
After crashing into the church, the gunman opened fire on the hundreds of people, including children, gathered inside.
A fire broke out soon after, which police said Sanford started with an “accelerant” believed to be gasoline. Explosive devices were also found.
Authorities said they shot the gunman, a former US Marine, in the car park and that there was no ongoing threat to the public. A motive was not known, and authorities warned there could be more victims.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/michigan-mormon-church-shooting-fire-live-updates-b2835337.html
arista
29-09-2025, 08:12 AM
The latest is 5 are Dead, now
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/09/29/07/102529685-15143303-The_40_year_old_father_of_one_killed_at_least_four _people_and_in-a-52_1759128028028.jpg
Photo of the killer Thomas Jacob Sanford, 40
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15143303/michigan-church-shooter-thomas-jacob-sanford-trump.html
The latest is 5 are Dead, now
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/09/29/07/102529685-15143303-The_40_year_old_father_of_one_killed_at_least_four _people_and_in-a-52_1759128028028.jpg
Photo of the killer Thomas Jacob Sanford, 40
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15143303/michigan-church-shooter-thomas-jacob-sanford-trump.html
…so not a ‘loner type person’…he had a wife/partner and child(ren)…that seems more unusual as a profile for a mass killing such as this…?…
arista
29-09-2025, 09:08 AM
…so not a ‘loner type person’…he had a wife/partner and child(ren)…that seems more unusual as a profile for a mass killing such as this…?…
Yes, it becomes worse
DM and local media picked up on the Kris Johns connection:
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/09/29/17/102545369-15145347-Kris_Johns_a_resident_running_for_city_council_sai d_he_spoke_to_-a-2_1759161637049.jpg
Thomas Jacob Sanford's chilling confession a week before Michigan Mormon church shooting
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15145347/thoams-jacob-sanford-mormon-church-confession-attack.html
Local article the DM are referencing:
Michigan church shooting suspect went on anti-LDS tirade, political candidate said
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2025/09/29/thomas-jacob-sanford-michigan-shooting-suspect-anti-lds-tirade/86415139007/
The man was outgoing, polite, and "extremely friendly," Johns said. And his animosity toward the church didn't seem violent, he said — “it was very much standard anti-LDS talking points that you would find on YouTube, TikTok, Facebook.”
When Johns made the connection, he contacted authorities and said he spoke to Michigan State Police and the FBI.
While others have been quick to shoo Johns off their properties while he was making his rounds on Sept. 22 canvassing for a seat on city council, Sanford was different, he said.
Sanford shook his hand, thanked Johns for stopping by. They talked about their children — Johns' daughter has special needs, and he said Sanford told him his child has a serious health condition. Sanford asked Johns what he thought about guns, and the city councilmember-hopeful responded that he supports the second amendment.
He said Sanford spoke quickly — "it was one thing after another" — as he shared about his time in Iraq and his struggles with drug addiction when he returned home. Johns said Sanford told him he moved to Utah at one point to plow snow and had a relationship with a woman there whose family was Mormon.
Sanford was married. Property records show he took out a mortgage with his wife in 2021 at the house on East Atherton in Burton. He bought the house in 2016.
Johns said Sanford asked him if he believed in God. He responded, "yes." Johns said he's Christian and a member of Solid Rock Community Church in Burton.
“From there, the conversation takes a very sharp turn," Johns said.
He said Sanford began asking him open-ended questions about Mormonism, first asking how Johns felt about the religion. And the more questions Sanford asked on the topic, the more pointed they became, Johns said. He said Sanford asked him about the Mormon bible, the role Jesus plays in the religion, the history of the LDS church and Joseph Smith Jr., the founder of Mormonism and the LDS movement.
Mormons is a term used for members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. In Michigan, about 1% of American adults identify as Latter-day Saints, or Mormons, according to the Pew Research's 2023-24 U.S. Religious Landscape Study. Nationally, that's 2% of adults. The majority, 69%, live in the west, predominantly in Utah, where the church's global headquarters established in Salt Lake City in the mid-19th century.
“I just didn't know what the next question was going to be," Johns said.
But Johns said everything Sanford asked him about Mormonism led to Sanford declaring the religion as "the antichrist."
Their conversation never delved into politics or current events, Johns said — "there was no mention of anything right or left, blue or red.”
But Johns did say he spotted a Trump 2024 sign on the suspect's fence.
I doubt this was planned in a short period of time, but I feel for the dude because he probably feels he might've incidentally played into this guy's mindset with their chat.
emseateng2014
29-09-2025, 10:15 PM
i wonder what the right wing media are gonna say if they find out that the killer was a republican
Four IEDs found in Grand Blanc Church shooter's pickup truck, ATF says
https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/four-ieds-found-grand-blanc-church-shooters-pickup-truck-atf-says
https://a57.foxnews.com/livenews.foxnews.com/images/2025/09/1248/702/566b387c66ee521f451122d0d409edbc.jpg?tl=1&ve=1
GRAND BLANC TWP, Mich. (FOX 2) - Officials confirmed on Monday that the man who crashed into the Grand Blank Township Church of Latter-Day Saints with his pickup before firing on the crowd, had loaded the truck with explosive devices.
The ATF confirmed to FOX 2 on Monday that there were four IEDs found in the man's truck after it crashed into the church on Monday.
The IEDS were made of consumer grade fireworks and smoke canisters stuck together – but what they were used for is still unclear. It's also not clear if they were modified in any way.
Michigan church shooting: Whitmer says to 'lower the temperature of rhetoric'
https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/michigan-church-shooting-whitmer-says-lower-temperature-rhetoric
Governor Gretchen Whitmer wants to bring down the rhetoric after a church mass shooting.
Whitmer said speculation can be dangerous in the aftermath of the Grand Blanc Township tragedy.
The governor said like many she has questions, but urged the public to let law enforcement do their job.
...
"At this juncture, speculation is unhelpful and it can be downright dangerous," she said. "So, I just ask that people lower the temperature of rhetoric, keep your loved ones close, and keep this community close to your hearts."
Police said on Monday that all people at the LDS church had been accounted for, while the ATF is warning those who live in the area or attend the church to avoid it while the investigation continues.
Sanford used an accelerant after ramming his pickup truck into the church, intentionally setting the fire which engulfed the structure.
Whitmer said as a state, we know the pain of a mass shooting aftermath all too well.
"This might be a familiar pain, but it hurts all the same every time. We cannot keep living our lives like this," she said. "I know that this community is reeling right now, and I want you to know that the state of Michigan has your back."
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Whitmer said the soft-target nature of the nation's mass shooting incidents is disturbing.
"I'm also here as a fellow Michigander whose heart is breaking by another mass shooting in a place that is supposed to be defined by togetherness and a close-knit community," Whitmer said. "We've seen gun violence in our schools, stores, parades, festivals and our houses of worship. These are places that we go to feel connected, to feel safe, to be together."
The governor thanked first responders and police for their brave actions in the moments following the chaotic attack.
"I know that in the hours and days ahead, we will see the best of Michigan - we will see neighbors being neighborly, checking in with a call, bringing over some food, or offering a hug," she said. "We'll see. Medical providers work hard to save lives and treat those in need with scars, both seen and unseen.
"We will see this congregation unite and rally together like never before and continue worshiping together, singing together and serving together because that's who Michiganders are."
Good on her, honestly.
Barry.
30-09-2025, 03:51 PM
Shocking. Isn’t this like the 3rd shooting in a few days? And they say guns aren’t the problem
emseateng2014
30-09-2025, 11:09 PM
lol try explaning that to the right wing republicans
in my opinion most of the right wingers will just use the have the rights speeches and act like they know almost every single thing about law and order and the constatutions and amentments like they been to multi usa law schools for 30 to 90 years depending on how old they are and think they have like multi pds and degrees
Shocking. Isn’t this like the 3rd shooting in a few days? And they say guns aren’t the problem
Livia
01-10-2025, 08:55 AM
lol try explaning that to the right wing republicans
in my opinion most of the right wingers will just use the have the rights speeches and act like they know almost every single thing about law and order and the constatutions and amentments like they been to multi usa law schools for 30 to 90 years depending on how old they are and think they have like multi pds and degrees
You don't know too many right wing people, do you. Nor many Americans.
emseateng2014
01-10-2025, 09:30 AM
nope lol but i have seen the news and the left wingers do talk about the right wingers
heck i even red the usa news stuff on here lol
You don't know too many right wing people, do you. Nor many Americans.
Livia
01-10-2025, 10:16 AM
nope lol but i have seen the news and the left wingers do talk about the right wingers
heck i even red the usa news stuff on here lol
I think there are more people near the middle ground who are just to the Left or just to the Right of it. News tends to make everyone look Far Left or Far Right. If you believe the news, or even a lot of the stuff that's written on here, you'd end up believing everyone is a Stalinist or a Nazi.
A member of the LDS setup a fundraiser to take care of shooter's wife and child.
They have already raised $150K of the $200K goal.
Link: https://www.givesendgo.com/helptheSanfordfamily?utm_source=sharelink&utm_medium=copy_link&utm_campaign=helptheSanfordfamily
Help the Sanford Family
My name is Dave. Like all of you, I was shocked by the murders at the LDS chapel in Grand Blanc, Michigan, on September 28. Multiple families were left grievously wounded and in need of help.
One of the families that suffered a terrible loss on that day was the family of Thomas Jacob Sanford, the shooter. Sanford leaves behind a wife and children who must be grieving. They will face financial hardship and psychological trauma as a result of this week's horrifying events. On top of that, one of the Sanford sons deals with serious medical challenges that require ongoing care, treatment, and specialized support. In the past, the family attempted to raise funds for him, but with limited success.
I have no connection to the Sanfords or to Grand Blanc. I am an ordinary member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. I'm a fantasy and science fiction writer, and if you know me at all, it's probably because you've seen me on an LDS YouTube channel such as the Stick of Joseph or Ward Radio.
But James teaches us that "Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction." The purpose of this GiveSendGo is to do that. Every donation will go to help provide for the Sanford family daily needs, provide for ongoing medical treatment, and create some stability in a time of heartbreak and upheaval.
Thank you for your kindness, your compassion, and your willingness to lift up those who are suffering.
emseateng2014
02-10-2025, 01:51 AM
well the news stuff that are on here are mostly links of other sites that do coverages and reports
and oh yeah theres the center who are both left and right
whats next somebody starts a up wing and a down wing
I think there are more people near the middle ground who are just to the Left or just to the Right of it. News tends to make everyone look Far Left or Far Right. If you believe the news, or even a lot of the stuff that's written on here, you'd end up believing everyone is a Stalinist or a Nazi.
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