Manchester : Terrorist Stabbing at a Synagogue (Two dead)

[arista]

4 Injured

[Officers are at the scene of a reported
stabbing at a synagogue in Manchester,
police have said.
Mayor of Greater Manchester Andy Burnham
said the "immediate danger appears to be
over" after reports of a "serious incident"
in Crumpsall, north of the city.
Middleton Road has been closed between
Wilton Road and Crumpsall Lane,
the Manchester Evening News reported,
adding a police cordon is in place.

North West Ambulance Service said in
a statement: “Following reports of
an incident on Middleton Road in Crumpsall,
the trust has dispatched resources to the scene.
"We are currently assessing the situation
and working with other members
of the emergency services.]

https://news.sky.com/story/stabbing-reported-at-a-synagogue-in-manchester-13442669

[Zizu]

Powder keg ….


The only question is …


When


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[Livia]

Today is Yom Kippur, our holiest day.

Synagogues are targeted all the time but only stabbings and death make the news now.

I'm willing to bet the person responsible is not Far Right. I also know there will be people applauding this.

[Cherie]

Hope no one is seriously injured

[Crimson Dynamo]

Hope no one is seriously injured

They are

[Crimson Dynamo]

Kemi Badenoch said the stabbing was “an outrageous attack on the Jewish community” and said the rise of anti-Semitism in Britain must be “quelled completely”.

[arista]

Police have shot the attacker,
reports say

[Crimson Dynamo]

Police have shot the attacker,
reports say

The video of this is on X

[Vicky.]

Just awful. The world is a scary place atm

[Niamh.]

Just awful. The world is a scary place atm

Indeed. Terrifying.

[MTVN]

Terrible and sadly not even a surprise in the current climate. Sounds like a miracle it wasn't worse

[Livia]

Kemi Badenoch said the stabbing was “an outrageous attack on the Jewish community” and said the rise of anti-Semitism in Britain must be “quelled completely”.

Oh well, that's sorted then.

Synagogues are attacked all the time, they have stab vests available, they employ security guards as do Jewish schools where attack drills and lock downs are a regular weekly thing. But all hear on the news is how bad Islamaphobia is in this country.

I was in Israel last week and even though it's at war, I feel safer there than I do London, where I was born.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Just awful. The world is a scary place atm

Especially if you are Jewish...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Security guards at the Manchester synagogue intervened to stop the knifeman
killing more people, Andy Burnham has said.

The Mayor of Greater Manchester told Mike Sweeney on BBC Radio Manchester:
“It seems, Mike, as though the security staff at the synagogue have done an
amazing thing and, it seems, intervened to keep a great deal of people safe.”

[Vicky.]

Especially if you are Jewish...

Definitely

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Telegraph understands the incident is being treated as a terror attack.

[Vicky.]

It's ridiculous that synagogues (and schools) need stab vests and security

[bots]

it's a very worrying time for the jewish communities around the country. I really hope there is de-escalation coming soon

[Crimson Dynamo]

I have now seen a picture of the alleged terrorist...

[arista]

PM Starmer is flying back from Denmark
to deal with this

[Livia]

I have now seen a picture of the alleged terrorist...

A Far Right skinhead, no?

[Crimson Dynamo]

A Far Right skinhead, no?

his head is bald but no Doc Martens or braces...just a bomb belt

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G2P3XluXUAAYP_R?format=jpg&name=900x900

The Stabber
is now shot dead


Used his Car first.

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G2P7of-WwAACyZB?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

The video of this is on X


This shows the Terrorist being shot by 2 Armed Police

https://x.com/TPointUK/status/1973696859463102595

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G2P3XluXUAAYP_R?format=jpg&name=900x900

The Stabber
is now shot dead


Used his Car first.

could be a Welsh choirboy?

[Livia]

Bomb Disposal in attendance.

[AnnieK]

All hospitals are locked down currently. My friend works at Salford Royal and they are literally locked in their offices

[Livia]

All hospitals are locked down currently. My friend works at Salford Royal and they are literally locked in their offices

Hope you're okay Annie and that this is not near you or your boy.

[AnnieK]

One member of the public has now died :(

[Niamh.]

One member of the public has now died :(

oh no

[Livia]

It's being reported that the SAS are on the ground. I wonder whether they're expecting more perpetrators are still in the area.

[AnnieK]

Hope you're okay Annie and that this is not near you or your boy.

I'm not too close and Matthew's school is the other side of Manchester but its pretty close to my Dad's house.

Just awful....

[Livia]

I'm not too close and Matthew's school is the other side of Manchester but its pretty close to my Dad's house.

Just awful....

Your Dad reminds me of my Dad from what you've said, so I'm sure he'll be fine x

[bots]

It's being reported that the SAS are on the ground. I wonder whether they're expecting more perpetrators are still in the area.

if the SAS are on the ground, they must have intelligence that it's a terrorist cell

[Livia]

if the SAS are on the ground, they must have intelligence that it's a terrorist cell

If I was in Manchester I'd be feeling safer already.

[Beso]

Get his ethnicity out...lile you promised you would

[Barry.]

Terrible. What causes people to do things like this

[Livia]

Synagogues and Jewish schools have security guards and all kinds of security measures because of Islamic terrorists. It would have been a Muslim. It looks like a Muslim in the photos. Let's see how long it takes to officially reconise that fact.

[bots]

it's now 2 that have died

[arista]

Terrible and sadly not even a surprise in the current climate. Sounds like a miracle it wasn't worse


Yes they are saying thanks to a member of the public
who phoned the Police

[Crimson Dynamo]

Get his ethnicity out...lile you promised you would

Yes, should have full details any minute....

[arista]

if the SAS are on the ground, they must have intelligence that it's a terrorist cell


Yes looks that way

[arista]

A Controlled Explosion
was just done.

[arista]

The Image of the Killer, I posted
has now been shown on all TV news.

[Beso]

A Controlled Explosion
was just done.

Hopefully he was still attached.

[arista]

Locals have confirmed
Two were taken away in handcuffs

[Crimson Dynamo]

‘We’ve faced tsunami of hatred since Oct 7’, says worshipper
A regular worshipper at the Heaton Park Hebrew Congregation Synagogue has described this morning’s attack as a “culmination of something the Jewish community has been fearing for two years”.

Raphi Bloom, co-chairman of North West Friends of Israel, told Sky News: “This attack is a culmination of something the Jewish community have been fearing for two years.

“We’ve been faced with a tsunami of Jew hatred since October 7 - vandalism, physical attacks, online abuse, mistreatment in the NHS by medics. University students have been intimidated and been attacked on campus.

“We’ve had hate marches every week throughout our street with disgusting Holocaust imagery comparing Jews to Nazis.

“And ultimately, almost every Jew in this country realised that this day would come. I never thought it would happen at my synagogue, to my friends, to my rabbi, in my city.

“It’s something we feared would come and has happened because there has been such inaction to tackle this wave of hatred targeting the Jewish community in the UK over a conflict two and a half thousand miles away.”

He called on every Jewish organisation in the UK to have “large fences around it” and 24-hour security.

[Ninastar]

Locals have confirmed
Two were taken away in handcuffs

So there’s more than one attacker?

[arista]

New Scotland Yard
confirmed 2 arrested


Also now confirmed as a Terrorist Attack.

[bots]

its been declared a terrorist incident .... no ****

[arista]

PM Starmer back in England
on his way to Downing Street.


I hope he goes live soon.

[arista]

Greater Manchester Police
now Live.


Chief Watson knows who the killer was

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/10/02/15/102647317-0-image-m-16_1759416484807.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/10/02/14/102644365-15155969-image-m-38_1759412442270.jpg
Army used a robot
to get to the suspected explosives

[Vanessa]

Let me guess : another mental health crisis.
Not terrorism, of course not :facepalm:

[arista]

Let me guess : another mental health crisis.
Not terrorism, of course not :facepalm:


No

You Forget 2 Others Arrested

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/10/02/15/102642743-15155969-Armed_police_swarmed_a_home_in_White_House_Avenue_ earlier_today_-a-1_1759414381195.jpg
[Armed police swarmed a home in
White House Avenue earlier today]


2 Arrested

[AnnieK]

Another very dark day for Manchester.
Thoughts for the community there :sad:

[Vanessa]

He looks like an Islamic terrorist to me. Probably Isis

[arista]

Another very dark day for Manchester.
Thoughts for the community there :sad:


Sadly True.


At least the Police have control.

[Vanessa]

They need to start to punish these terrorists. Otherwise They'll keep doing this.

[arista]

He looks like an Islamic terrorist to me. Probably Isis


Very Possible

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/10/02/15/102641375-15155969-The_suspected_attacker_wearing_what_is_believed_to _be_a_suicide_-a-64_1759416707489.jpg
Before the Police shot him dead.

[Livia]

They need to start to punish these terrorists. Otherwise They'll keep doing this.

There are already lawyers scrambling to represent these people.

[Ammi]

Another very dark day for Manchester.
Thoughts for the community there :sad:

…yeah, another very dark day for Manchester and terrifyingly dark for the Jewish community…and another two families devastated by the violent slaughtering of a loved one…horrendous events today…

[joeysteele]

Horrendous.
Really despicable are those who plan and then carry out these atrocities.
Families losing loved ones again by mindless actions.
Awful and heartbreaking.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/10/02/16/1759417275492_wide_galleryImage_Grab_from_PA_Video _of_GMP.JPG

Cheif Watson
of the Greater Manchester Police


Who last spoke

[arista]

Good, the Police Shot him Dead
as he tried to get up
since he had possible bombs on his belt

[arista]

PM Starmer
has concluded his Cobra meeting.


Ch5HDnews Live

[Crimson Dynamo]

PM Starmer
has concluded his Cobra meeting.


Ch5HDnews Live

let me guess

It was the far-right after all!

[arista]

let me guess

It was the far-right after all!


No

[arista]

PM Starmer needs to go Live

[Crimson Dynamo]

In a post on X, Gideon Sa’ar said: “I stand with the wonderful Jewish
community of Britain, which is currently suffering from a horrific wave of
antisemitism.

“The truth must be told: blatant and rampant antisemitic and anti-Israeli
incitement, as well as calls of support for terror, have recently become a
widespread phenomenon in the streets of London, in cities across Britain, and
on its campuses.

“The authorities in Britain have failed to take the necessary action to curb
this toxic wave of antisemitism and have effectively allowed it to persist.


“We expect more than words from the Starmer government. We expect and
demand a change of course, effective action, and enforcement against the
rampant antisemitic and anti-Israeli incitement in Britain.”


https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2025/10/02/TELEMMGLPICT000442431405_17594219339950_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqnoTNfZEEKJkRDex-nOY8df4Xpit_DMGvdp2n7FDd82k.jpeg?imwidth=460

[arista]

PM Starmer is to go Live, soon

[Crimson Dynamo]

Police will let pro-Palestine hate protest go ahead in Manchester this evening

:facepalm:

The British Transport Police (BTP) said they are stepping up patrols after pro-Palestine activists began urging each other to descend on Manchester station at 5.30pm on Thursday.

A force spokesman said BTP would “facilitate peaceful protest” but that officers would intervene if protesters tried to get inside the station.

Social media posts urged pro-Palestine activists to “block the tracks” in protest against Israel’s arrest of Greta Thunberg.

Thunberg and a group of friends were detained earlier this week off the Israeli coast after attempting to sail what they described as the “Sumud flotilla” to Gaza.

Posters being shared on social media urged pro-Palestine activists to converge on 19 locations around the country between 5.30pm and 6pm on Thursday. Most of them are major railway stations in major towns and cities.

Locations named include Parliament Square, Cardiff Central, Sheffield train station, Farnborough station in Surrey, Liverpool Lime Street and Manchester Piccadilly station.

[arista]

Ch5HDnews just had the PM Live (downing st Media room)

But then they said they can not bring it, yet.

Which means it will be a recorded interview?

[arista]

PM Starmer is now on GBnewsHD


Now on SkyNewsHD & BBCnewsHD


Not Live

[arista]

Very Brief.

[Livia]

There was a man from Muslims Against Anti-Semitism on GB News. More of that please. Much more of that, and of people like him.

[arista]

Israel blames PM Starmer

[Beso]

PM Starmer is now on GBnewsHD


Now on SkyNewsHD & BBCnewsHD


Not Live



I don't think he's spoke live to the nation since the laying of the wreath in Southport.

[arista]

I don't think he's spoke live to the nation since the laying of the wreath in Southport.


No, it was recorded 20mins back

[joeysteele]

I really hope security will be intensely increased to keep Jewish communities safer.
Not just temporarily either.

This is horrendous and only thanks to actions by bystanders and others at the Synagogue it seems the terrorist was not able to create even more devastation and murders.

There has to be much more put in place as security for and protection of the Jewish communities.
It's despicable they cannot go about their routine lives and even not be safe in their places of worship too.

[Zizu]

I really hope security will be intensely increased to keep Jewish communities safer.
Not just temporarily either.

This is horrendous and only thanks to actions by bystanders and others at the Synagogue it seems the terrorist was not able to create even more devastation and murders.

There has to be much more put in place as security for and protection of the Jewish communities.
It's despicable they cannot go about their routine lives and even not be safe in their places of worship too.


Well Starmer has promised they will be protected .. sooo probably not ..


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[Crimson Dynamo]

Cant believe that vile Green Party leader has posted on X pretending to care

truly despicable

below is his deputy

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G2QcKKzW0AA38hv?format=jpg&name=small

[Crimson Dynamo]

this is tolerated

https://katiecouric.com/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/protest-500x309.png

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/10/02/17/102652225-0-image-m-1_1759424082128.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/10/02/11/102639291-15155335-image-m-9_1759401781725.jpg

[arista]

Home Secretary Now Live
in Manchester


Also Mayor Andy Burnham.

Also Council Leader Lady.

[Redway]

RIP to those poor lost lives.

[MTVN]

It is incredibly sad how dangerous it now is to be a Jew in the UK. Jewish people have obviously been persecuted globally for millennia but at least in recent history the UK and the US have generally been safe countries - until the last few years. Now almost nowhere in the world is safe and yet some people still wonder why Jewish people need a secure state of Israel

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/10/02/11/102639291-15155335-image-m-9_1759401781725.jpg

you are 10 hours too late

maaaate

[arista]

Good job he did not get inside the building
as Children were also in there

[arista]

On Local Lady
said she will be leaving the UK, sadly


Ch4HDnews Live

[Livia]

On Local Lady
said she will be leaving the UK, sadly


Ch4HDnews Live

In 2023, 336 Jews left the UK for Israel. In 2024 that virtually doubled to 633. It'll be higher again this year.

[AnnieK]

you are 10 hours too late

maaaate

Armed response were there within around 20 mins..

[Livia]

Armed response were there within around 20 mins..

Is your Dad ok? Must shake people up to have all that on their doorstep.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Israel has accused Sir Keir Starmer of failing to curb a “toxic wave of anti-
Semitism” ahead of the Manchester synagogue terror attack.

Itamar Ben-Gvir said Britain had “received a cruel reminder today that those who strengthen terrorism will eventually be struck within their own country”.

He added: “It is time for British leaders to come to their senses and understand what the citizens of the State of Israel go through every day - terrorism does not discriminate between Israelis and Englishmen.

“Today it’s against Jews, tomorrow it’s against the entire Western world.”

[Crimson Dynamo]

Number of illegal fighting-age age men migrants that have been welcomed into the UK since 25th September

1,900

[Beso]

I really hope security will be intensely increased to keep Jewish communities safer.
Not just temporarily either.

This is horrendous and only thanks to actions by bystanders and others at the Synagogue it seems the terrorist was not able to create even more devastation and murders.

There has to be much more put in place as security for and protection of the Jewish communities.
It's despicable they cannot go about their routine lives and even not be safe in their places of worship too.



I think you have spoken for everyone there Joey.

One thing in your post interested me. The part about bystanders stepping in, just like Southport and the London bridge, borough market attacks as well.

The worrying part about that though, is that it's because these are random terror cells, and sometimes random lone terrorists commiting the acts, they don't have the full scale planning that the 2009 bombings had, making it easier for the public to take action to limit loss of life.

I really think these are smoke screens for something bigger.

[AnnieK]

Is your Dad ok? Must shake people up to have all that on their doorstep.

Yes he is thanks Liv. It is awful. I went to school with people who live in that area and a few had Bat Mitzvahs at that synagogue so it seems very close to home:sad:
The Jewish community in that area is large and strong though and hopefully will be supported through this by the rest of us Mancs

[Cherie]

Israel has accused Sir Keir Starmer of failing to curb a “toxic wave of anti-
Semitism” ahead of the Manchester synagogue terror attack.

Itamar Ben-Gvir said Britain had “received a cruel reminder today that those who strengthen terrorism will eventually be struck within their own country”.

He added: “It is time for British leaders to come to their senses and understand what the citizens of the State of Israel go through every day - terrorism does not discriminate between Israelis and Englishmen.

“Today it’s against Jews, tomorrow it’s against the entire Western world.”

How true

[arista]

The Dead Killer
was 35 British but of Syrian descent

[arista]

Jihad Al-Shamie, 35, a British citizen of Syrian descent,

He was Born in Syria Became British in 2006


https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/10/02/21/102656345-0-image-a-16_1759436397338.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15157369/British-Syrian-man-named-Islamist-terrorist.html

[Vanessa]

Got caught up with the protests today. Absolutely horrendous!

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/10/02/21/102653207-15157369-As_the_Jewish_community_went_into_mourning_tonight _pro_Palestine-a-20_1759436629526.jpg

Manchester today

[Vanessa]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/10/02/21/102653207-15157369-As_the_Jewish_community_went_into_mourning_tonight _pro_Palestine-a-20_1759436629526.jpg

Manchester today

It was like that everywhere. I was glad to get home.

[Beso]

Here is a thought.

Do you rekon they pre recorded starmers response cause he had to say synagogues, and they were worried incase he said sausages again.


Wouldn't put it past him.

[arista]

Parliament Today

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/10/02/21/102656131-15157059-image-a-17_1759435410617.jpg

[arista]

Westminster today

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/10/02/21/102656127-15157059-image-a-16_1759435407725.jpg

[arista]

Today

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/10/02/19/102653705-15157059-image-a-11_1759428741511.jpg

[arista]

Back in Manchester

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/10/02/18/102653745-15157059-image-a-1_1759427930147.jpg
[Pro-Palestinian march in Manchester centre
on the day a knifeman killed two people at
a synagogue in the city]

[Crimson Dynamo]

Today

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/10/02/19/102653705-15157059-image-a-11_1759428741511.jpg

If you tolerate this
Then your children will be next

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/10/02/19/102653699-15157059-image-a-26_1759430263993.jpg


Parliament Today

[Cherie]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/10/02/21/102653207-15157369-As_the_Jewish_community_went_into_mourning_tonight _pro_Palestine-a-20_1759436629526.jpg

Manchester today

Could they not have a day off ...

[Cherie]

Today

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/10/02/19/102653705-15157059-image-a-11_1759428741511.jpg

No shame ...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Aaaand he has been named as a Syrian terrorist

Jihad Al-Shamie

[Crimson Dynamo]

Great first name btw
:facepalm:

[Beso]

Great first name btw
:facepalm:

Have they said how long he's been in the country for?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Remember Gary Linekar posting a meme comparing Jews to rats

Didn't he just get an award?

[Jessica.]

How scary and sad. I know the Manchester community will band together and support anyone affected.

Don't know why anyone thinks the protest should have been postponed or cancelled though, I want a ceasefire in Palestine but I also don't want maniacs going around stabbing people in the UK.

[Livia]

Yes he is thanks Liv. It is awful. I went to school with people who live in that area and a few had Bat Mitzvahs at that synagogue so it seems very close to home:sad:
The Jewish community in that area is large and strong though and hopefully will be supported through this by the rest of us Mancs

I'm glad. I remember you saying you had Jewish friends at school. Sadly, from the look of the protests today, the people with placards 'from the river to the sea' and the support they get from some quarters, I think this is just the beginning.

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Cherie]

How scary and sad. I know the Manchester community will band together and support anyone affected.

Don't know why anyone thinks the protest should have been postponed or cancelled though, I want a ceasefire in Palestine but I also don't want maniacs going around stabbing people in the UK.

Because Hamas have a deal on the table that they are considering? What exactly are they protesting about when a deal has been offered, just self indulgent dickheads

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-8031ebb4-3738-447b-8a03-b27184255ec5.png

[Cherie]

Have they said how long he's been in the country for?

Sadly he is a brainwashed British citizen

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-682207db-7045-4c3b-a0b8-a1209ee1a70e.png

[Crimson Dynamo]

Briton?

About as ludicrous as saying colonial Brits living in India were Indian

We need to stop this bs and get real

People are dying and the media care more about virtue signalling

[arista]

Briton?

About as ludicrous as saying colonial Brits living in India were Indian

We need to stop this bs and get real

People are dying and the media care more about virtue signalling


Of Syrian descent

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-f8319d92-af32-4dbd-9293-64b5150b305b.png

[Cherie]

Briton?

About as ludicrous as saying colonial Brits living in India were Indian

We need to stop this bs and get real

People are dying and the media care more about virtue signalling

His parents were Syrian, looks like he was born here, which is far more worrying tbf

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Crimson Dynamo]

His parents were Syrian, looks like he was born here, which is far more worrying tbf

A wolf born in a stable is not a donkey

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-764448cf-97d8-4ef2-8290-117d8f2ec963.png

[Cherie]

A wolf born in a stable is not a donkey

My boys are British of Irish decent :nono:

[Crimson Dynamo]

My boys are British of Irish decent :nono:

You all are part of an island Christian lineage in this geographic footprint with shared history and tradition

[Cherie]

How scary and sad. I know the Manchester community will band together and support anyone affected.

Don't know why anyone thinks the protest should have been postponed or cancelled though, I want a ceasefire in Palestine but I also don't want maniacs going around stabbing people in the UK.

just to expand on this, two British families are mourning their dead, but these dickheads are marching about people in another country thousands of miles away with apparently no empathy for what is happening on their doorstep

[Beso]

just to expand on this, two British families are mourning their dead, but these dickheads are marching about people in another country thousands of miles away with apparently no empathy for what is happening on their doorstep

It's a show of support to what's happening on their doorstep, these protests were hurriedly organised today.

[Cherie]

It's a show of support to what's happening on their doorstep, these protests were hurriedly organised today.

Disgusting and should not have been allowed to go ahead but what do we expect these days

[arista]

Aaaand he has been named as a Syrian terrorist

Jihad Al-Shamie



Yes Born in Syria


He became British in 2006

[Maru]

Domestic terrorism increasing everywhere but some of our leaders will continue to plug their ears.

[arista]

Reports
A large Jewish School in London
has closed, temporarily.

[Ninastar]

I wonder if there will be protests or parades for the ppl targeted and killed today

[Maru]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/10/02/21/102653207-15157369-As_the_Jewish_community_went_into_mourning_tonight _pro_Palestine-a-20_1759436629526.jpg

Manchester today

Does no one think it's a bit odd that suddenly now we have rampant protests in the support of a foreign group/establishment that celebrates both a religion and a philosophy that hates our guts. And that there are both domestic and foreign actors that are very interested in committing violence and destructive acts in their name? Really, this raises no red flags that other motives are at play?

[arista]

Does no one think it's a bit odd that suddenly now we have rampant protests in the support of a foreign group/establishment that celebrates both a religion and a philosophy that hates our guts. And that there are both domestic and foreign actors that are very interested in committing violence and destructive acts in their name? Really, this raises no red flags that other motives are at play?


Yes, the Manchester protest was wrong
after the terrorist, born in Syria
murdered two Jewish people.

[The Slim Reaper]

This a tragic story. No civilian should ever to be murdered, for, or in service to, any cause.

[Cherie]

Briton?

About as ludicrous as saying colonial Brits living in India were Indian

We need to stop this bs and get real

People are dying and the media care more about virtue signalling

There is an update to this now he came to the UK as a minor at the age of 11

[Ammi]

…the two victims who had their lives taken have been named as Adrian Daulby, 53, and Melvin Cravitz, 66…

[Ammi]

…the killer who grew up more or less in the doorstep of the synagogue that he attacked…a father taking the lives of fathers…?…there is just no value to human life in so many ways right now…

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/10/03/01/102661657-15156751-image-a-4_1759453133979.jpg

[Livia]

People have been radicalised and they're supported by our government. Why hasn't Sir Kier called those who attacked the police yesterday "thugs"? Why hasn't he condemned their choice to march yesterday? Because he's week and terrified of being seen to criticise the far Left and Islam.

[bots]

this is one of the main reasons people drift toward farage. People believe that labour support the terrorists and recognising palestine didnt help that perception

[Livia]

People have been urged not to gather outside synagogues. Pity they didn't urge yesterday's Hamas-supporting protesters not to gather.

[Crimson Dynamo]

There is an update to this now he came to the UK as a minor at the age of 11

Yes he is a Syrian man Jihad Al-Shamie

[Oliver_W]

…a father taking the lives of fathers…?…there is just no value to human life in so many ways right now…

Certain ideologies dehumanise people from outside their ideology.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The News Agents
TheNewsAgents
·
16h
"There are many people in journalism who will try to use this, and are already
using it, to divide."

Why the Yom Kippur synagogue attack in Manchester will be exploited by the
right-wing to sow division in the UK

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1973765902358192128/uFdFlFIn?format=jpg&name=small


Konstantin Kisin
@KonstantinKisin
·
9h
If you ever wake up in the middle of the night and wonder why people hate you, this is why.^^^^



https://www.thenewsagents.co.uk/article/synagogue-attack-not-about-politics-its-about-being-allowed-to-go-to-a-place-of-5HjdDrd_2/

[Livia]

The UK is already divided.

I'm tired of seeing the murdering terrorist's picture holding his baby. It's like Yahoo (and others) has tried to humanise him before we've even seen images of the victims.

[arista]

Update
There are 3 Arrests in connection with
this Evil Killer

2 Men
1 Women.


[British authorities have arrested three people
on suspicion of being involved in the attack
that killed two people outside a synagogue
in Manchester on Thursday morning.]

[bots]

this is unfortunate


The Home Office Pathologist has advised that he has provisionally determined, that one of the deceased victims would appear to have suffered a wound consistent with a gunshot injury," a statement reads.

"It is currently believed that the suspect, Jihad Al Shamie, was not in possession of a firearm and the only shots fired were from GMP's Authorised Firearms Officers as they worked to prevent the offender from entering the synagogue and causing further harm to our Jewish community. It follows therefore, that subject to further forensic examination, this injury may sadly have been sustained as a tragic and unforeseen consequence of the urgently required action taken by my officers to bring this vicious attack to an end.

"We have also been advised by medical professionals that one of the three victims currently receiving treatment in hospital, has also suffered a gunshot wound, which is mercifully not life threatening. It is believed that both victims were close together behind the synagogue door, as worshippers acted bravely to prevent the attacker from gaining entry."

[Crimson Dynamo]

this is unfortunate


The Home Office Pathologist has advised that he has provisionally determined, that one of the deceased victims would appear to have suffered a wound consistent with a gunshot injury," a statement reads.

"It is currently believed that the suspect, Jihad Al Shamie, was not in possession of a firearm and the only shots fired were from GMP's Authorised Firearms Officers as they worked to prevent the offender from entering the synagogue and causing further harm to our Jewish community. It follows therefore, that subject to further forensic examination, this injury may sadly have been sustained as a tragic and unforeseen consequence of the urgently required action taken by my officers to bring this vicious attack to an end.

"We have also been advised by medical professionals that one of the three victims currently receiving treatment in hospital, has also suffered a gunshot wound, which is mercifully not life threatening. It is believed that both victims were close together behind the synagogue door, as worshippers acted bravely to prevent the attacker from gaining entry."

Unfortunate but understandable, hopefully they will make a full recovery

[Crimson Dynamo]

A statement from soon to be PM Nigel Farage - https://x.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1974050674980606056

[Livia]

There's only one person responsible for the deaths and that's the terrorist. Had he not gone there with murderous intent, the police wouldn't have been anywhere near the place.

[Livia]

I see the terrorist's family have expressed their horror and shock at the attack. Really? Shocked? A family that called their kid Jihad?

[arista]

[The Home Office Pathologist has advised that he
has provisionally determined, that one of the deceased
victims would appear to have suffered a wound consistent
with a gunshot injury,]


Yes, so the Evil Terrorist killed one Jewish man
Glad the terrorist is dead.

[Crimson Dynamo]

A Syrian Islamist named JIHAD murders two British Jews but according to Kate
Garraway & #GMB, we 🗨 "still don't know his motive or his religion"


These people are part of the problem.

Shocking video here - https://x.com/MajorGowen_/status/1973988008471798191

[Crimson Dynamo]

There's only one person responsible for the deaths and that's the terrorist. Had he not gone there with murderous intent, the police wouldn't have been anywhere near the place.

Do you remember ages and ages ago we let off an Islamic man who tried to stab to death another man in the street for burning a book he liked

oh wait no

that was just last week

:skull:

[thesheriff443]

Unfortunate but understandable, hopefully they will make a full recovery

The cops shot at the terrorist believed he had a gun , he didn’t have one

Their bullets went through the door killing one innocent person in side

[Zizu]

The cops shot at the terrorist believed he had a gun , he didn’t have one

Their bullets went through the door killing one innocent person in side


I thought the terrorists were stabbing people but I would still want them shot gun or no gun if they’re hurting or killing innocent people


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Abra]

Unfortunately, as long as Israel continue their genocide it will have awful consequences on the Jewish communities around the world, similar to how many Muslim people were unfairly targeted in the days and years after 9/11.

My thoughts are with the victims and their families. Just awful.

[Abra]

Does no one think it's a bit odd that suddenly now we have rampant protests in the support of a foreign group/establishment that celebrates both a religion and a philosophy that hates our guts. And that there are both domestic and foreign actors that are very interested in committing violence and destructive acts in their name? Really, this raises no red flags that other motives are at play?

Supporting the people of Palestine does not automatically mean you support Hamas.

Palestinian babies do not "hate our guts", but they are still being murdered, including being starved to death by Israel. The red flag is how many people are supportive of a genocide happening before our eyes, but thankfully those numbers are dwindling.

[arista]

PM Starmer visited the
Manchester area.

But


Deputy PM Lammy heckled at vigil for
Manchester synagogue attack victims

Clip

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx2703lnww4t

[The Slim Reaper]

Supporting the people of Palestine does not automatically mean you support Hamas.

Palestinian babies do not "hate our guts", but they are still being murdered, including being starved to death by Israel. The red flag is how many people are supportive of a genocide happening before our eyes, but thankfully those numbers are dwindling.

Good and fair post.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Jihad's father: "I can't believe my son did this!"

Also Jihad's father:
:skull:
-----

ylon Levy
@EylonALevy
·
3h
The father of the Manchester Synagogue terrorist, who named his son Jihad,
posted this during Hamas’ October 7 Massacre.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G2VdQfWWoAAp-Or?format=jpg&name=small

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2025/10/03/TELEMMGLPICT000442909122_17594890540530_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqmR0BXWYtqia-36U7l9cbeNQDN-5mqRyS-MvTaZDJeB8.jpeg?imwidth=520

[Crimson Dynamo]

Andrew Neil
@afneil
·
53m
Further update:
Father of Manchester synagogue terrorist praised the Oct 7 Hamas terrorists as
‘Allah’s men on earth’.
Faraj Al-Shamie posted on Facebook his support for the invasion of Israel in
which 1,200 people were killed and 250 civilians and soldiers taken hostage.

Al-Shamie, a trauma surgeon living in a council house in Britain, said that the
Hamas terrorists who had infiltrated the Jewish state had “proved beyond a
shadow of a doubt” that Israel would be destroyed eventually.

Rather undermines Al-Shamie Sr’s statement expressing “profound shock” in the wake of his son’s killing spree.

[Livia]

Andrew Neil
@afneil
·
53m
Further update:
Father of Manchester synagogue terrorist praised the Oct 7 Hamas terrorists as
‘Allah’s men on earth’.
Faraj Al-Shamie posted on Facebook his support for the invasion of Israel in
which 1,200 people were killed and 250 civilians and soldiers taken hostage.

Al-Shamie, a trauma surgeon living in a council house in Britain, said that the
Hamas terrorists who had infiltrated the Jewish state had “proved beyond a
shadow of a doubt” that Israel would be destroyed eventually.

Rather undermines Al-Shamie Sr’s statement expressing “profound shock” in the wake of his son’s killing spree.

Of course he did.

[Cherie]

The cops shot at the terrorist believed he had a gun , he didn’t have one

Their bullets went through the door killing one innocent person in side

They shot him because he had a fake suicide belt hanging off him

[Livia]

Good to see David Lammy heckled at this afternoon's vigil. These politicians have some nerve showing up to a remembrance vigil for Jews in the same week they recognised a terrorist state.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Good to see David Lammy heckled at this afternoon's vigil. These politicians have some nerve showing up to a remembrance vigil for Jews in the same week they recognised a terrorist state.

He was rightly booed

he is despicable

[Cherie]

Unfortunately, as long as Israel continue their genocide it will have awful consequences on the Jewish communities around the world, similar to how many Muslim people were unfairly targeted in the days and years after 9/11.

My thoughts are with the victims and their families. Just awful.

How come no one is attacking Russian citizens, its not British Jews fault that the leader of Israel has gone rogue

[Beso]

The audacity of this creep.

https://youtu.be/N4Ht_3i06cc?si=srjDzvLCH5VjjKbQ

[Livia]

The audacity of this creep.

https://youtu.be/N4Ht_3i06cc?si=srjDzvLCH5VjjKbQ

He and Lammy have no shame.

And isn't it a moment of light relief to find the terrorist-supporting father of the murderer, the council house-dwelling trauma surgeon, is called... Faraj.

[arista]

The Evil Dead Killer
was on Bail for a rape charge


Police have stated
Ch5HDnews Live

[The Slim Reaper]

How come no one is attacking Russian citizens, its not British Jews fault that the leader of Israel has gone rogue

It's nowhere near just a problem of a rogue leader, because the subjugation of the Palestinian people has been going on for 70 years. The Jewish supremacy movement that is Zionism,. which is the issue.

[Crimson Dynamo]

The Evil Dead Killer
was on Bail for a rape charge


Police have stated
Ch5HDnews Live


Of course he was...

[Livia]

So, not known to the security services but well known to the police.

[Oliver_W]

Nomen est omen.

[Livia]

Nomen est omen.

Ain't it the truth.....

[Abra]

How come no one is attacking Russian citizens, its not British Jews fault that the leader of Israel has gone rogue

Probably because Russian citizens aren't as visible. But just to clarify, I never said that Israel's actions are the fault of British Jews. Unfortunately though, Israel are proclaiming to commit their genocide in the name of all Jews, even those who don't support the genocide.

[thesheriff443]

They shot him because he had a fake suicide belt hanging off him

That’s not wha they said in the news report
The thought he had a gun , he didn’t, they shot him he tried to get up and they shot him again and in doing so some bullets went through the door into those behind it

[Beso]

He and Lammy have no shame.

And isn't it a moment of light relief to find the terrorist-supporting father of the murderer, the council house-dwelling trauma surgeon, is called... Faraj.

One of his doctor fathers social media posts on Oct 7th

'Take good care of your weapons and aim them accurately for your brothers'

[Zizu]

Haven’t read through the thread but the radio news just reported that one of the terrorists was out on police bail ( rape)


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Beso]

Nor the slaughter of Muslims by other Muslims in Yemen, 10,000 dead, millions on the brink of starvation. And Syria, quarter of a million dead and millions displaced. But I guess when your news is coming via the Hamas press office it's going to be all about Israel.

Nor the decapitation, rape, torture and humiliation of the rohhingya Muslims in Burma.

[arista]

New Update

6 People in total are arrested now

In connection with the Evil Dead killer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smU0Ek9iwYA

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-a2704c06-645b-4b08-8824-56d8430decc7.png

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-8b28f65b-a6c4-4ed9-a0d5-45f73d9e4f87.jpeg

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-09ada0a8-12cb-4050-89d6-2735aee14abe.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-ea7b948b-0456-4264-a802-4eada602eb45.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-57d0b0ce-24c1-4eee-a461-f5937a33ceab.jpeg

[Beso]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-a2704c06-645b-4b08-8824-56d8430decc7.png

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-8b28f65b-a6c4-4ed9-a0d5-45f73d9e4f87.jpeg

I would be checking out his cousins.

[Crimson Dynamo]

RTE at it again

they are vile


RTÉ News
@rtenews
One of the victims killed in yesterday's attack at a synagogue in Manchester
was shot by police during their attempts to bring the unarmed attacker under
control, officers have said

https://x.com/rtenews/status/1974059019158630659

thankfully they got Community noted

The attacker was not "unarmed", he was armed with a knife and a potentially explosive device.

[Maru]

Supporting the people of Palestine does not automatically mean you support Hamas.

Palestinian babies do not "hate our guts", but they are still being murdered, including being starved to death by Israel. The red flag is how many people are supportive of a genocide happening before our eyes, but thankfully those numbers are dwindling.

So then citizens in our countries who support Israel's general right to defend themselves don't automatically support genocide then? Because the whole premise of these protests fall flat on their face if we consider the logic of the first statement to be even remotely true.

We don't know what those abroad actually support or don't support, whether it's Israel citizens (Livia has the better idea) or Palestinian citizens. We barely know which way the pendulum swings in our respective countries with its issues and we enjoy some of the widest open access to both free media coverage and opinions coming from both the populace and across the world.

I guess we will see what these peace talks do and if statehood occurs, whether that resolves a problem. I'm skeptical it's going to be that easy and simple to resolve years of open hostility and continued strikes.

[bots]

people don't stop hating each other overnight. Do you think the ukranians would greet russians like long lost friends if a ceasefire were declared tomorrow.

These issues will take generations to fix and in the meantime they will be living next door to each other. ISIS hasn't gone away, Iran hasn't gone away. It's not the end of the conflict, not even close

[Livia]

people don't stop hating each other overnight. Do you think the ukranians would greet russians like long lost friends if a ceasefire were declared tomorrow.

These issues will take generations to fix and in the meantime they will be living next door to each other. ISIS hasn't gone away, Iran hasn't gone away. It's not the end of the conflict, not even close

British Jews aren't Israeli though. Continuously comparing British Jews to Russians fuels the fire. British Jews did not cross an international border in an act of war.

It would be nice to think hatred of Jews will take a couple if generations to fix.

[arista]

Update

4 are arrested (Home Secretary confirmed)

2 Dead


3 are in the Hospital

[Abra]

So then citizens in our countries who support Israel's general right to defend themselves don't automatically support genocide then? Because the whole premise of these protests fall flat on their face if we consider the logic of the first statement to be even remotely true.

We don't know what those abroad actually support or don't support, whether it's Israel citizens (Livia has the better idea) or Palestinian citizens. We barely know which way the pendulum swings in our respective countries with its issues and we enjoy some of the widest open access to both free media coverage and opinions coming from both the populace and across the world.

I guess we will see what these peace talks do and if statehood occurs, whether that resolves a problem. I'm skeptical it's going to be that easy and simple to resolve years of open hostility and continued strikes.

Israel is not "defending itself" though, that excuse doesn't work anymore. Committing a genocide and murdering innocent babies is not defending yourself.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Two days after the Manchester synagogue terror attack, Islamists call for terror
laws to be abolished.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G2bo-NsXgAA5Dnm?format=jpg&name=small

[Livia]

If you have pushed the jihadist lie since Oct 7, spare me crocodile tears today.

Opinion by Jake Wallis Simons

Nobody knows what was going through the mind of the man who slit the throats of two Jews in Manchester today and injured others.

If he were anything like the other terrorists who have wreaked havoc on our streets over the years, however, he likely carried out his crimes in the belief that he was one of the good guys.

From the Spanish Inquisition to the Holocaust, from the pogroms of Eastern Europe to the antisemitic murders and expulsions of the Middle East, the perpetrators are always convinced that they are doing God’s work, either literally or figuratively.

In this grim fact lies a lesson for us all. After two years of the most orchestrated and extensive pro-jihad propaganda operation the world has ever seen, huge numbers of people now see Israel as the bad guys and Hamas as the victims.

Who do I blame? The United Nations. The BBC and other insidious media outlets. The NGOs and international charities. The arts world. The celebrities. The social media bot farms. The universities and schools.

Everywhere, in fact, where the progressive ideology dominates. For decades, these elites have held the levers of power in our culture, cascading their fringe views on the heads of the rest of us.

In my new book, Never Again? How the West Betrayed the Jews and Itself, I describe these people as “centrist fundamentalists”. They are centrists because they view themselves as the grown-ups. And they are fundamentalists because anybody who disagrees with them is silenced with mockery and derision.

These people believe in doing down our patriotism, our history, our flag (though Labour has desperately changed its position on that recently), our traditions and our borders. Their attitude is one of “down with us and up with everyone else”.

The Jews have caught the brunt of this. Partly, it is because the Jews have not forgotten their identity, history, bonds and peoplehood, making them a living rebuke to the centrist fundamentalist. Partly, it is because the Jews are more ourselves than ourselves.

Either way, we have reached a point where our leaders more eagerly embrace those who would like to kill us than the people they are supposed to protect.

From immigration to Israel, the government invariably picks the wrong side. Our culture is committing slow suicide while self-righteously demanding that Israel commit it more quickly.

Well, Israel won’t. And nor will the Jews. But the effect of all this over the two years since October 7 is that the public has become convinced that Israel is a genocidal, apartheid, Nazi state, and Hamas are the courageous “resistance”.

You and I know that the opposite is true. Israel could have destroyed Gaza City with a single bomb, yet it sends its soldiers house-to-house at great risk to themselves. Why? Because it is not genocidal.

Israel could have starved every man, woman and child in Gaza to death within two weeks of October 7. Yet it continues to provide food to the Strip; in the last six weeks, it has provided 40 million meals. Why? Because it does not use famine as a weapon of war.

After the relentless propaganda campaign, however, instigated largely by the United Nations, most people will likely believe the very opposite of the truth. The Manchester killer almost certainly believed that, too.

What we are seeing is nothing less than the successful brainwashing of an entire society to embrace the agenda of the very jihadis who would have the West subverted and everybody who resists dead.

Keir Starmer, David Lammy and their cronies have spent the last two years directing all their condemnation at Israel, the democracy defending itself against jihad, and putting almost no pressure on Hamas, which started this war and would attack us all if it could.

That culminated in the recognition of a Palestinian state, which did not even require the release of the hostages as a condition.

In May, the UN humanitarian chief Tom Fletcher claimed on the BBC that “14,000 babies” would die within “48 hours” in Gaza. This claim was repeated by no fewer than 13 MPs in Parliament. When those babies did not die after all, how many of them apologised? Precious few.

Now these people have the gall to shed crocodile tears about the attack in Manchester today. They have long been part of the problem, making a whole society believe that black is white and the jihadis are the victims. Shame on them.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Stop relying on Hamas and Yahoo for your news.

The synagogue that was attacked was in Britain.. The Jews were British. Do you believe every Muslim in the world is a terrorist? British Jews being attacked in support of Israel and supported by people like you shows how muddled your thinking is.

Can you imagine WW2 covered by the MSM nowadays

It would be filled with images of dead Germans, crying German children.
Reporters bemoaning the fact that many more Germans have been killed - its
not propotionate they cry. Features on the loss of jobs at extermination
camps. The BBC reporting Lord Haw-Haw stats everynight. Kids marching in
the streets end the German Genocide


etc etc

:idc:

[Livia]

Can you imagine WW2 covered by the MSM nowadays

It would be filled with images of dead Germans, crying German children.
Reporters bemoaning the fact that many more Germans have been killed - its
not propotionate they cry. Features on the loss of jobs at extermination
camps. The BBC reporting Lord Haw-Haw stats everynight. Kids marching in
the streets end the German Genocide


etc etc

:idc:



Thank God that generation of people didn't have the ****ing Internet where every knobhead in the world is given a platform, and what's worse, has a following.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Thank God that generation of people didn't have the ****ing Internet where every knobhead in the world is given a platform, and what's worse, has a following.

377,000 people follow Elsa

i mean can you just imagine that?

:shrug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

The UN

:facepalm:

[Crimson Dynamo]

🚨GARY NEVILLE BLAMES MANCHESTER TERROR ATTACK ON BRITISH PATRIOTS PUTTING UP FLAGS 🇬🇧

"The division that's being created is absolutely disgusting, mainly by angry middle aged white men"

- ADMITS he takes Union Jack flags down on his sites

What the hell is wrong with him?

The disgusting video is here: https://x.com/Basil_TGMD/status/1974794413831508250

[Crimson Dynamo]

J.K. Rowling
@jk_rowling
·
24m
"Pro-Palestinian demonstrators couldn’t give it a rest – not even for 24 hours.
They were chanting all the old slogans and ducking all the hard questions.
‘Globalise the intifada,’ they cried – does that mean killing Jews in Manchester?"
✍️
NickCohen4

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1974190998134595584/hQrT8Ek2?format=jpg&name=small

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/why-wont-the-left-call-out-anti-semitism-for-what-it-is/

[Maru]

Israel Gaza is not "defending itself" though, that excuse doesn't work anymore. Committing a genocide and murdering innocent babies is not defending yourself.

See how easy that was. These aren't actually arguments for or against anything. They are talking points.

Hamas’s Genocidal Intentions Were Never a Secret
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/

Released on August 18, 1988, the original covenant spells out clearly Hamas’s genocidal intentions. Accordingly, what happened in Israel on Saturday is completely in keeping with Hamas’s explicit aims and stated objectives. It was, in fact, the inchoate realization of Hamas’s true ambitions.

The most relevant of the document’s 36 articles can be summarized as falling within four main themes:


The complete destruction of Israel as an essential condition for the liberation of Palestine and the establishment of a theocratic state based on Islamic law (Sharia),
The need for both unrestrained and unceasing holy war (jihad) to attain the above objective,
The deliberate disdain for, and dismissal of, any negotiated resolution or political settlement of Jewish and Muslim claims to the Holy Land, and
The reinforcement of historical anti-Semitic tropes and calumnies married to sinister conspiracy theories.


If Hamas is not the governing body we are dealing with then how are we not able to negotiate around them and appeal to the sensible Palestinians to achieve peace? Unless another solution is fully supported by Palestinians, then they are still at war, however many lives are killed or saved per day.

War does not discriminate between targets. It never has.

We dropped two bombs on Japan causing mass casualty, something many many measures above this and still unthinkable to us today. Yet we don't fret that decision now because it ended a costly war that would've taken many more lives with an enemy whose appetite for conflict was insatiable. Their own people were starving by the very end of it.

You have a very narrow perspective of what happens in war if you are only looking at specific events and body counts. Read about the recovery periods of countries after war has ended and what people have endured, especially people in countries that have lost. Often leadership are treating their own people like dogshit to keep an unsustainable situation going but there's always the propaganda that has to come with that to keep enough support for it.

If a populace is really indoctrinated to think conflict is the be all end all (ie. martydom through faith), historically those have always been the most difficult to resolve through simple politics and negotiations alone.

A book I can recommend as it talks about how Japan reshaped its thinking (as it was forced to). It covers the post-WW2 occupation and is well regarded:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embracing_Defeat

[Maru]

The UN declared for their own political reasons just like any governing body would. Do we really think foreign countries get involved because of the kindness of their hearts? There are clearly strong political reasons we (the US) have historically supported Israel despite the fact they bombed one of our ships, killing crewmembers and both nations covered it up. Would know this because close family member on husband's side died on that ship and it still causes mourning and torments survivors to this day due to lack of answers. There is a memorial within the NSA away from public eye and we didn't get public leaders at the funerals for reasons completely unknown to us.

Knowing that, governments rarely tell the full truth. Do we think Hamas and leadership tell their own people the full truth? Probably not, so why would they offer this to foreigners?

Sadly, the more I think about it it makes sense why they have all now agreed to declare them a state. Perhaps even Trump had similar conversations behind the scenes during the UK visits. After all he didn't seem to mind Ukraine giving up some of their territory. How is it suddenly now we are effectively talking about moving straight to occupying that area. It seems very timely is all. And if Israel really wanted the territory back, declaring them a state wouldn't necessarily change things.

[Maru]

Thank God that generation of people didn't have the ****ing Internet where every knobhead in the world is given a platform, and what's worse, has a following.

Social media gives us a false sense of objectivity re:moral equivalency when it probably makes us less objective in the longrun if we think we can completely depend on what we see through it. There is a reason political organizations and intelligence agencies spend a lot of resources working it to their advantage.

It doesn't always work out as we have seen... people become emotionally fragile and increasingly rabid when bombarded with so much distressing content... which is what the Left has been learning with the Free Palestine movement. One can't keep feeding people daily doses of cross cultural struggles on steroids and then expect they won't get hung up on one or two of those major narratives and make it very difficult to coalesce within the party.

[Livia]

Great post Maru, and true, every word.

[Beso]

Update

4 are arrested (Home Secretary confirmed)

2 Dead


3 are in the Hospital


His cousins ?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Shock horror. The Manchester terrorist was not a “martyr” —he was a
skunk-smoking university dropout who was obsessed with, and
abused, women, lived with his mum and relied on debt relief. In other
words, a total loser.

[Nicky91]

Shock horror. The Manchester terrorist was not a “martyr” —he was a
skunk-smoking university dropout who was obsessed with, and
abused, women, lived with his mum and relied on debt relief. In other
words, a total loser.

in other words, a loner more like?


and if i have to speculate, also mentally ill i think



but anyway a coward and lowlife scum what he is, if you stab people in a synagogue (like i posted in the other thread) a sacred place, that is disgusting, people who come there to pray

[arista]

in other words, a loner more like?


and if i have to speculate, also mentally ill i think



but anyway a coward and lowlife scum what he is, if you stab people in a synagogue (like i posted in the other thread) a sacred place, that is disgusting, people who come there to pray


No
Nicky,
he was an Extreme Muslim Killer

[Cherie]

in other words, a loner more like?


and if i have to speculate, also mentally ill i think



but anyway a coward and lowlife scum what he is, if you stab people in a synagogue (like i posted in the other thread) a sacred place, that is disgusting, people who come there to pray

He wasn't a loner, he was married then remarried and told his new wife he could take 4 wives.... he was also a domestic abuser and an alleged rapist

[Livia]

He wasn't a loner, he was married then remarried and told his new wife he could take 4 wives.... he was also a domestic abuser and an alleged rapist

Some people hate Israel - and Jews - so much that they're willing to believe anything, to excuse anything, to support those who agree with them.

[Mystic Mock]

He wasn't a loner, he was married then remarried and told his new wife he could take 4 wives.... he was also a domestic abuser and an alleged rapist

What a charming individual.:umm2:

[Crimson Dynamo]

There is a cancer in our places of learning

has every one seen this anti-Semitic short video from LBC??

https://x.com/Suffragent_/status/1975642005544837451

[Livia]

There is a cancer in our places of learning

has every one seen this anti-Semitic short video from LBC??

https://x.com/Suffragent_/status/1975642005544837451

Despicable. Maru posted it in the Israel war thread. And a forum member has already claimed this moron has a point. Honestly, some days I feel like I just shouldn't even log on....

[Nicky91]

Some people hate Israel - and Jews - so much that they're willing to believe anything, to excuse anything, to support those who agree with them.

:umm2:

will you please read what i wrote more thoroughly, i haven't said i support this disgusting cowardly loser, and yes only cowardly lowlife scum commit these attacks in holy places like synagogues

[Livia]

:umm2:

will you please read what i wrote more thoroughly, i haven't said i support this disgusting cowardly loser, and yes only cowardly lowlife scum commit these attacks in holy places like synagogues

I wasn't referring to what you have or haven't said.

[Cherie]

The angry brown middle aged man rang the police and pledged allegiance to Islamic State after he rammed his car into a wall

Yet they started off by telling us it wasn't a terror attack?

[Swan]

The angry brown middle aged man rang the police and pledged allegiance to Islamic State after he rammed his car into a wall

Yet they started off by telling us it wasn't a terror attack?

You left out straight, don't forget straight. He had 3 wives

[arista]

The angry brown middle aged man rang the police and pledged allegiance to Islamic State after he rammed his car into a wall

Yet they started off by telling us it wasn't a terror attack?


Yes, the Evil Killer supported ISIS



Good he is dead.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/10/19/23/103125409-0-image-a-25_1760914561024.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15206815/married-terrorist-Manchester-Synagogue-killer-raped-Islam.html

[Livia]

She sounds like a very damaged individual who's dragged her kids through hell.

[Ninastar]

So was there ever any vigils or peaceful protests for the two innocent people who were killed?

[Oliver_W]

So was there ever any vigils or peaceful protests for the two innocent people who were killed?

If so they'd probably be disrupted...