On the verge of switching off

[elliebrew]

Really on the verge of giving up on this

Why is everything about Zelah and the LGBTQ drama

It’s so draining
And this is coming from a gay man

It’s all just so over the top, the traumatised crying

It’s just too much

[Crimson Dynamo]

100% agree

They have jumped the shark

[Swan]

It's pathetic

[Lister of Smeg]

Generation of weaklings George is the only one with a backbone rest are hyper moral cowards.

[Glenn.]

No one is forcing you to watch.

[MTVN]

A very strong episode tonight, great television

[Crimson Dynamo]

A very strong episode tonight, great television

:joker:

[Glenn.]

A very strong episode tonight, great television

Strongest episode of the series so far.

[GoldHeart]

I haven't watched back tonight's episode yet ,but it sounds like another dragged out tired drama situation :rolleyes: .

On another note elliebrew I thought you were a woman all this time ,I think I've misgendered you...ooops :eyes:.

[bots]

to think that warnings used to be issued for actual fights or spitting etc .... the producers are basically saying BB is now a fairy tale world, not based on lifes reality at all

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

No one is forcing you to watch.

TBF old habits die hard

[Ray.]

Felt more sorry for Caroline than Zelah tbh. Being made to feel emotionally distressed over wrong think

[Zizu]

Felt more sorry for Caroline than Zelah tbh. Being made to feel emotionally distressed over wrong think


She made a call and lost big time!

She knew her comment was potentially hurtful but reckoned that everyone would think the comment was hilarious and took a gamble


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[elliebrew]

Def felt more for Caroline there

[Maru]

Felt more sorry for Caroline than Zelah tbh. Being made to feel emotionally distressed over wrong think

I wouldn't say I feel sorry for her, but only because I think she willingly took a risk and didn't anticipate it would blow up. She's been testing the waters with crass comments about other HMs and a lot of them are digs, but they're crafty enough it's easy enough to miss.

I only feel bad for Zelah, but only because, he really doesn't deserve to be the butt of a joke. That said, if she didn't want her morality put on the table like that to be crucified by most of the house, she should've been more tactful. She was only sorry because she knew that there was no way after seeing the blow back that that wasn't going to get way out of hand, so she backtracked.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Felt more sorry for Caroline than Zelah tbh. Being made to feel emotionally distressed over wrong think

A woman calls a woman a woman and is made to feel like a pariah is disgusting and dehumanising by a pack of self righteous goons desperate to appear as warriors of the zeitgeist

I despair for society I really do

[Mystic Mock]

I agree with you personally.

The episode needs to be more like the first half of the episode as it felt more like proper BB.

[Glenn.]

A woman calls a woman a woman and is made to feel like a pariah is disgusting and dehumanising by a pack of self righteous goons desperate to appear as warriors of the zeitgeist

I despair for society I really do

You despair for society because people are expected to respect others? Come on.

No one’s being dehumanised for saying the word woman. They’re being challenged when they use it to exclude or belittle others. That’s not persecution. That’s accountability.

What’s actually disgusting is pretending your discomfort with progress makes you a victim. Society’s moving forward. You can either keep up or keep moaning about it online.

[Maru]

A woman calls a woman a woman and is made to feel like a pariah is disgusting and dehumanising by a pack of self righteous goons desperate to appear as warriors of the zeitgeist

I despair for society I really do

Zelah obviously knows that they're still biologically a woman. Was that reminder really necessary?

[Mystic Mock]

No one is forcing you to watch.

That's not the best defense against constructive criticism imo.

It's meant to be Big Brother, not Zelah's Trans Story.

[Mystic Mock]

to think that warnings used to be issued for actual fights or spitting etc .... the producers are basically saying BB is now a fairy tale world, not based on lifes reality at all

Exactly!

Housemates from either the Channel 4 or Channel 5 series wouldn't last 2 minutes now without facing a warning.

We're basically watching a CITV version of Big Brother, it's sad to think what ITV has done to one of my favourite childhood Shows.

[Crimson Dynamo]

That's not the best defense against constructive criticism imo.

It's meant to be Big Brother, not Zelah's Trans Story.

As usual

Bang on right Mock

[Glenn.]

That's not the best defense against constructive criticism imo.

It's meant to be Big Brother, not Zelah's Trans Story.

Big Brother has always been a social experiment. All walks of life.

No one is obligated to watch it. If it’s not providing you any enjoyment surely the most obvious answer is to not watch it?

I haven’t watched this series and thought “this is Zelahs trans story”

It’s because tonight was very heavy and showed the real lives of many many trans people. The reactions from the people who will never have their lives impacted at all by a trans person are the loudest of course.

Shows like Big Brother are important.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Zelah obviously knows that they're still biologically a woman. Was that reminder really necessary?

If she knows why is she
Making a fellow woman feel like **** for confirming reality?

Traitor

[Mystic Mock]

You despair for society because people are expected to respect others? Come on.

No one’s being dehumanised for saying the word woman. They’re being challenged when they use it to exclude or belittle others. That’s not persecution. That’s accountability.

What’s actually disgusting is pretending your discomfort with progress makes you a victim. Society’s moving forward. You can either keep up or keep moaning about it online.

Fair enough on your other points.

But I really wouldn't say that society is even moving forward, unless a Dystopian future is your version of paradise.

And yes, I'm going off-topic a little bit towards the end, my apologies.:blush:

[Maru]

If she knows why is she
Making a fellow woman feel like **** for confirming reality?

Traitor

The joke was made at his expense in a group setting which put him on the spot and could only be humiliating given how he'd advertised himself (yes, I used that word for a reason). He probably took it personally and that's reasonable, I think.

The whole rest of the group creating a circus as if they were all personally accosted themselves was completely satire.

[Jordan.]

That's not the best defense against constructive criticism imo.

It's meant to be Big Brother, not Zelah's Trans Story.

Someone having a strop and threatening to stop watching whilst also complaining about massive overreactions is hardly the best display of constructive criticism. In reality "everything is about Zelah" took up the last 15 minutes of an hour long show.

[GoldHeart]

Exactly!

Housemates from either the Channel 4 or Channel 5 series wouldn't last 2 minutes now without facing a warning.

We're basically watching a CITV version of Big Brother, it's sad to think what ITV has done to one of my favourite childhood Shows.

Now that both George and Caroline both have warnings, are they going to even last the duration??, it's only what week 2 bliddy hell :skull: . If they get another warning...I guess that means instant removal.

But yeah I don't agree with formal warnings being handed out like hot cakes, I mean ... I'll have to watch back tonight's hl to see how Caroline said what she said,but it sounds like she'd been drinking ?? ( Not that that's an excuse) , as we know how Caroline can be quite full on sober anyway,I think she's the type to blurt out all sorts , like foot in mouth type deal.

George even admitted he's going to try and walk on eggshells around Sam now. Which isn't really a good way to be, unless he used the wrong terminology. Actually meant... he'll just be more respectful or sensitive.

It's bizarre when I think back to the C4 days when all sorts went on ,and BB turned a blind eye to most of it . Remember BB6 when Roberto was bullied when he was in his box ,and got all types of food & even a toilet brush shoved in his box :umm2:.

BB10 Sree apparently called Sophia a " monkey" according to Beinazir ,and how she found it funny as Sophie kept telling him how racist it was , but it wasn't aired . Marcus BB10 made fun of Sree's accent,but BB never actually gave him a warning,I know they told him off though.

[Mystic Mock]

Big Brother has always been a social experiment. All walks of life.

No one is obligated to watch it. If it’s not providing you any enjoyment surely the most obvious answer is to not watch it?

I haven’t watched this series and thought “this is Zelahs trans story”

It’s because tonight was very heavy and showed the real lives of many many trans people. The reactions from the people who will never have their lives impacted at all by a trans person are the loudest of course.

Shows like Big Brother are important.

Exactly! And I'm holding the Show to that standard (instead of just giving up on the Show like you're suggesting) I want to see people from all walks of life talking about all sorts of topics.

It's not meant to be about any one Housemate.

And tbf to Zelah, we're meant to be watching multifaceted Housemates interacting with each other in the house, something that hasn't happened with any of the Housemates this series so far.

And I do think giving out constructive criticism is better for the Show, than being one of those fans that puts their fingers in their ears and telling those of us that are trying to give ITV some helpful advice to improve the Show, to 'not watch.'

If those of us complaining stopped watching, then the Show would be cancelled due to low ratings.

[OnTheRight]

TBF Caroline was spot on.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It shows how fragile the trans delusion is and it's terribly sad that people indulge it. It does no favours to vulnerable people. We don't do this for anorexia and we should not for body dysmorphia either

Shame on BB and ITV

[Glenn.]

It shows how fragile the trans delusion is and it's terribly sad that people indulge it. It does no favours to vulnerable people. We don't do this for anorexia and we should not for body dysmorphia either

Shame on BB and ITV

Gender dysphoria is a recognized medical condition, not a fantasy. Every major medical body in the UK and worldwide supports gender-affirming care because it reduces depression and suicide rates. That’s data, not ideology.

Comparing it to anorexia is lazy and wrong. With anorexia, treatment aims to correct a distorted self-image. With gender dysphoria, treatment aligns body and identity so people can live without constant psychological distress.

[GoldHeart]

It shows how fragile the trans delusion is and it's terribly sad that people indulge it. It does no favours to vulnerable people. We don't do this for anorexia and we should not for body dysmorphia either

Shame on BB and ITV

Zelah has Gender dysmorphia ,but I guess body dysmorphia has some similarities.

Well if farmer cam's weight was joked about,I think it would be made into a big thing aswell. As he has body issues and will be sensitive to it.

[Mystic Mock]

Someone having a strop and threatening to stop watching whilst also complaining about massive overreactions is hardly the best display of constructive criticism. In reality "everything is about Zelah" took up the last 15 minutes of an hour long show.

Tbf, I have never noticed Elliebrew be this negative about BB before, so I do think that they're a die-hard fan who has probably had enough with the way that ITV is running the Show.

Speaking for myself, I have seen more edge in a Paw Patrol episode than I have ever seen from an ITV BB episode.

Zelah is just a symptom of modern BB playing it too safe because of 'people's sensibilities' but he isn't even the worst Housemate in there for it (which should tell you how bad it is) so no wonder people like Elliebrew have started feeling drained about the year.

And I do agree with you that the focus on Zelah had calmed down slightly from the first week, but the Show still doesn't feel comfortable with letting us get to know Zelah the person (like we got with Nadia and Luke A) they just want us to see Zelah the Transgender Housemate.

Do you not see why some people might find that one dimensional edit annoying?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Gender dysphoria is a recognized medical condition, not a fantasy. Every major medical body in the UK and worldwide supports gender-affirming care because it reduces depression and suicide rates. That’s data, not ideology.

Comparing it to anorexia is lazy and wrong. With anorexia, treatment aims to correct a distorted self-image. With gender dysphoria, treatment aligns body and identity so people can live without constant psychological distress.

Read the Cass report

We have moved on from ideology into reality

[Mystic Mock]

Now that both George and Caroline both have warnings, are they going to even last the duration??, it's only what week 2 bliddy hell :skull: . If they get another warning...I guess that means instant removal.

But yeah I don't agree with formal warnings being handed out like hot cakes, I mean ... I'll have to watch back tonight's hl to see how Caroline said what she said,but it sounds like she'd been drinking ?? ( Not that that's an excuse) , as we know how Caroline can be quite full on sober anyway,I think she's the type to blurt out all sorts , like foot in mouth type deal.

George even admitted he's going to try and walk on eggshells around Sam now. Which isn't really a good way to be, unless he used the wrong terminology. Actually meant... he'll just be more respectful or sensitive.

It's bizarre when I think back to the C4 days when all sorts went on ,and BB turned a blind eye to most of it . Remember BB6 when Roberto was bullied when he was in his box ,and got all types of food & even a toilet brush shoved in his box :umm2:.

BB10 Sree apparently called Sophia a " monkey" according to Beinazir ,and how she found it funny as Sophie kept telling him how racist it was , but it wasn't aired . Marcus BB10 made fun of Sree's accent,but BB never actually gave him a warning,I know they told him off though.

Sree also got away with being a bit obsessive towards Noirin.

And tbh I really think that George will end up getting ejected, and I doubt that it'll be over anything that the majority of the public will agree with.

[Mystic Mock]

TBF Caroline was spot on.

I wouldn't go that far.:laugh:

[GoldHeart]

Sree also got away with being a bit obsessive towards Noirin.

And tbh I really think that George will end up getting ejected, and I doubt that it'll be over anything that the majority of the public will agree with.

Yeah Sree was delusional
Marcus was also obsessive with Noirin that season aswell,it was actually uncomfortable when I rewatched it
2 years ago. It's aged badly in parts . I honestly found Sree weird and Marcus gross .

Well I'm not George's biggest fan ,but I don't want him ejected . I'm not liking how itv is handling BB ,it seems every year now there's something.

I'm surprised Farida didn't get a warning when she had that conversation with Hallie , or maybe because Hallie seemed fine and wasn't in tears .

It seems BB is dishing out warnings based on if the housemate is upset or finds it offensive.

I wish BB would be consistent, didn't what's her face Chanel or Chantelle whatever her name get a million warnings in the c5 BB days but still stayed in the house , was she sleeping with a producer or something?? :bored: :crazy: .

Nowadays it seems it's very much better careful what you say and how you say it . If BB had always been like this then I don't think people would be as annoyed.

And obviously housemates should be respectful of eachother, but I don't know.

Even when Farmer Cameron was talking to Sam the other day ,he kept asking him " is that ok " asking permission to use words,which I guess I understand in this climate,as people are so worried they'll offend. It's just so mad when we think back to the old BB days when nobody thought about what they said ,they just blurted out anything lol.

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah Sree was delusional
Marcus was also obsessive with Noirin that season aswell,it was actually uncomfortable when I rewatched it
2 years ago. It's aged badly in parts . I honestly found Sree weird and Marcus gross .

Well I'm not George's biggest fan ,but I don't want him ejected . I'm not liking how itv is handling BB ,it seems every year now there's something.

I'm surprised Farida didn't get a warning when she had that conversation with Hallie , or maybe because Hallie seemed fine and wasn't in tears .

It seems BB is dishing out warnings based on if the housemate is upset or finds it offensive.

I wish BB would be consistent, didn't what's her face Chanel or Chantelle whatever her name get a million warnings in the c5 BB days but still stayed in the house , was she sleeping with a producer or something?? :bored: :crazy: .

Nowadays it seems it's very much better careful what you say and how you say it . If BB had always been like this then I don't think people would be as annoyed.

And obviously housemates should be respectful of eachother, but I don't know.

Even when Farmer Cameron was talking to Sam the other day ,he kept asking him " is that ok " asking permission to use words,which I guess I understand in this climate,as people are so worried they'll offend. It's just so mad when we think back to the old BB days when nobody thought about what they said ,they just blurted out anything lol.

I honestly need to do a rewatch of BB10 eventually.:laugh:

And I'm not liking how ITV are handling BB either, they don't seem to understand that BB is largely meant to be unfiltered, unless the Housemate is doing something criminal.

[vesavius]

I mean, it was stupid to say because in no way was that going to work as a joke in that house or with some of the modern audience.

But I just don't believe that it wasn't milked for camera time and and yet another chance to bang on about being trans. And then jumped instantly on by everyone else in order to broadcast right think confirmation.


I refuse to believe that anyone who is pan sexual is that sensitive about that pan joke though, as corny as it is.

All in all, a lot of over acting and over reacting, particularly from Fey who makes every situation worse.

[vesavius]

Nowadays it seems it's very much better careful what you say and how you say it . If BB had always been like this then I don't think people would be as annoyed.

Never forget Emily and Charley and the single playful word that got her removed.

Last night reminded me of that a lot.

[Cherie]

I mean, it was stupid to say because in no way was that going to work as a joke in that house or with some of the modern audience.

But I just don't believe that it wasn't milked for camera time and and yet another chance to bang on about being trans. And then jumped instantly on by everyone else in order to broadcast right think confirmation.


I refuse to believe that anyone who is pan sexual is that sensitive about that pan joke though, as corny as it is.

All in all, a lot of over acting and over reacting, particularly from Fey who makes every situation worse.


Fey looked ridiculous tonight, the hugging, the warning to Caroline to stay away and in fairness she ignored the warning, it was all so over the top, things happen in life, we dont always get treated how we want to be treated, the offence taken at the slightest thing, where is the resilience and back bone no wonder so many are on benefits with mild anxiety and cant step outside the door, so fearful of everything, not sure why Caroline is so keen to hook Nancy up with long Cameron, its all very bizarre or what her thought process was about civilisation :joker:

[vesavius]

Fey looked ridiculous tonight, the hugging, the warning to Caroline to stay away and in fairness she ignored the warning, it was all so over the top, things happen in life, we dont always get treated how we want to be treated, the offence taken at the slightest thing, where is the resilience and back bone no wonder so many are on benefits with mild anxiety and cant step outside the door, so fearful of everything, not sure why Caroline is so keen to hook Nancy up with long Cameron, its all very bizarre or what her thought process was about civilisation :joker:

She's a complete idiot. Treating Ze like a fragile china cup in order to look virtuous and superior. It's all such fake performative empathy.

[Zizu]

Never forget Emily and Charley and the single playful word that got her removed.

Last night reminded me of that a lot.


That was a travesty , poor Emily

Interesting similarity ..Emily:Charly Elsa:Teja


I think Caroline should have got the same treatment as Emily tbh


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[vesavius]

That was a travesty , poor Emily

Interesting similarity ..Emily:Charly Elsa:Teja


I think Caroline should have got the same treatment as Emily tbh


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It really was, the darkest of times.

After she invented indie and everything

[LizM]

I am absolutely livid that the most interesting housemate has been removed due to his "unwokiness' I have been watching Big Bruv since it first aired and have now removed from my recordings! My sister has done the same! It is the end of an era for us. The producers need replacing with non lefty opinionated ones. By the way I want Zelah to win:) - to clarify I am not a right wing fascist:) for all u wokey lefties:)

[Ithinkiloveyoutoo]

Not being funny but I think we're on the way towards rhe word "gay" being sensitive too.

I stumbled upon a video by the annoying Dean Withers. His caller was to explain why she's a Trump supporter and amongst her reasoning she said "gay people" "the gays" he stopped her and said "do you know that you can get flagged and banned for using that word?" What?! Since when. Now saying "gay" or "the gays" is seen as offensive?

Do people just wake up and look for new ways to be offended or?

[Cherie]

Not being funny but I think we're on the way towards rhe word "gay" being sensitive too.

I stumbled upon a video by the annoying Dean Withers. His caller was to explain why she's a Trump supporter and amongst her reasoning she said "gay people" "the gays" he stopped her and said "do you know that you can get flagged and banned for using that word?" What?! Since when. Now saying "gay" or "the gays" is seen as offensive?

Do people just wake up and look for new ways to be offended or?


The rules seem to change daily like you used to be able to say black then you couldn't you had to say brown, then you couldn't you had to say POC, now I think we are back to black and brown but its a bit of a minefield as unless you use X or Blue Sky you will never know what the right word is and end up unintentionally offending someone somewhere, what are we supposed to say if not Gay? Queer which is astounding given it used to be a slur but was then reclaimed but could only be said by Gay people....the world is seriously nuts

[vesavius]

I will give it one more week.

The season is so short that I feel if it hasn't course corrected by then it never will.

I was so very much looking forward to this season, but maybe not watching is the only way they will learn to to entertain again, rather than berating us nightly on how to think properly.

[Gusto Brunt]

Last night's episode was okay but not great. That tall guy Cameron B is starting to get on my t***.

He's always shouting his mouth off, but what he has to say is just boring. He'd be great in BB4. :p

[Benjamin]

I’m also close to being done with this season. I may flit in and out but it’s failed to hook me in by now like previous years on ITV.

[Ray.]

I struggle to care as much about this series when I know there's such a low bar for what's considered offensive enough to be worthy of removal or censoring. And so I know the HMs are always going to be hypervigilant over....frankly, being in any way interesting, combative, or amusingly subversive. It's not like they weren't that way already, what with internet cancel culture being so pervasive in today's world, so much so that the HMs were already policing their own behaviour. But now that BB itself is consciously and overbearingly censorious toward the HMs, stamping out even the mere possibility of spontaneity or liveliness, it's like they don't want the series to attract any attention whatsoever. Well, job well done, I say.

[Maru]

Fey looked ridiculous tonight, the hugging, the warning to Caroline to stay away and in fairness she ignored the warning, it was all so over the top, things happen in life, we dont always get treated how we want to be treated, the offence taken at the slightest thing, where is the resilience and back bone no wonder so many are on benefits with mild anxiety and cant step outside the door, so fearful of everything, not sure why Caroline is so keen to hook Nancy up with long Cameron, its all very bizarre or what her thought process was about civilisation :joker:

You're not wrong. It will cause a break eventually. There is only so long we can last with narcissism at the helm.

[LizM]

I cannot believe as a 60 year old woman I have registered on a forum to air my frustration at George's removal...he is great entertainment and has views that the majority of the other housemates oppose...I cannot watch BB any further..and I have been watching since it started...too many years to remember. My sister will stop watching too. The lefty woke producer's need replacing! Oh to anyone out there already waiting to respond to my post ....presuming I am someone with right leaning fascist homophobic views....I want to highlight I want the lovely Zelah to win...

[MTVN]

I cannot believe as a 60 year old woman I have registered on a forum to air my frustration at George's removal...he is great entertainment and has views that the majority of the other housemates oppose...I cannot watch BB any further..and I have been watching since it started...too many years to remember. My sister will stop watching too. The lefty woke producer's need replacing! Oh to anyone out there already waiting to respond to my post ....presuming I am someone with right leaning fascist homophobic views....I want to highlight I want the lovely Zelah to win...

Welcome to the forum! You'll find lots of good discussion here if you do keep watching (and even if you don't!)

[Ammi]

…and another welcome LizM …TiBB BB section is a great place for airing housemate frustrations, producer frustrations and well…it’s just very frustration friendly…

[Mystic Mock]

I cannot believe as a 60 year old woman I have registered on a forum to air my frustration at George's removal...he is great entertainment and has views that the majority of the other housemates oppose...I cannot watch BB any further..and I have been watching since it started...too many years to remember. My sister will stop watching too. The lefty woke producer's need replacing! Oh to anyone out there already waiting to respond to my post ....presuming I am someone with right leaning fascist homophobic views....I want to highlight I want the lovely Zelah to win...

Tbh I believe you, as I think that it's perfectly normal (and morally right tbh) to have an issue with how ITV is policing the Housemates language on this series of BB.

Welcome to the Forum btw.

[Alf]

I think I know my BB history so without checking I think the last one I watched until the end was BB15. If that's the one Helen won.

I wish I'd have stopped earlier.

I've said it so many times on here, but Big Brother died the night Sezer was evicted over balloon tits Leah. That was the killer blow.

Most underrated housmate ever is Sezer.

Richard had had power in that house up until the week Sezer was evicted. Then Sezer took power of the house from Richard, when he brought Richard to tears, when Sezer stood up for Imogen, when Richard was bullying Imogen.

Of course the BB audience voted Sezer off for standing up to the gay man (Richard was a dominant bully)

[Alf]

I'm currently watching Americans react to classic British sitcoms and maybe one or three auditing videos outside a cop shop, on YouTube.

I no longer watch this sh!te. Maybe I've just evolved better than you into the 21st century trends?

[Mystic Mock]

I think I know my BB history so without checking I think the last one I watched until the end was BB15. If that's the one Helen won.

I wish I'd have stopped earlier.

I've said it so many times on here, but Big Brother died the night Sezer was evicted over balloon tits Leah. That was the killer blow.

Most underrated housmate ever is Sezer.

Richard had had power in that house up until the week Sezer was evicted. Then Sezer took power of the house from Richard, when he brought Richard to tears, when Sezer stood up for Imogen, when Richard was bullying Imogen.

Of course the BB audience voted Sezer off for standing up to the gay man (Richard was a dominant bully)

I liked Sezer too.:laugh:

Tbh I didn't want any of them three to leave that week.