Inclusion the LGBTQ just want inclusion, they shout.

[Beso]

Yet there they are, isolating themselves into the LGBTQ group, separated from everyone else, just like every other BB house splits the last few years.

[Jessica.]

Maybe they are grouping themselves by intelligence and not how they identify.

[Vicky.]

I think people naturally gravitate towards others similar to themselves so this isn't really a surprise

[Beso]

Maybe they are grouping themselves by intelligence and not how they identify.


You need to say which side is which, cause we have someone in a woman's body claiming to be a man in one group. please don't tell me thats the intelligent side.:nono:

[Beso]

I think people naturally gravitate towards others similar to themselves so this isn't really a surprise

So inclusion isn't all that then:shrug:


And what do you mean by similar to themselves?


Cause I can't see Sam being up for a kick about with Zelah or nancy:shrug:

[Zizu]

Maybe they are grouping themselves by intelligence and not how they identify.


Who are you classing as intelligent and otherwise … the groups seem to be a mishmash of intelligence on the face of it


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[vesavius]

Yet there they are, isolating themselves into the LGBTQ group, separated from everyone else, just like every other BB house splits the last few years.

I noticed that.

Sam seemed to be quite happy that there were a couple excluded from the 2 main groups.

I didn't see much empathy there at all.

[Cherie]

I noticed that.

Sam seemed to be quite happy that there were a couple excluded from the 2 main groups.

I didn't see much empathy there at all.

He never mentioned Caroline at all

I think whats happening just imitates what goes on in workplaces all over the country groups gravitate towards each other and you will always have people who float in between

When I worked in a school you had the group who used the staff room....me because I only worked 2 days a week so I wasn't in any of the groups....the English/EU were in another classroom, the Muslims in another, the Sikhs in another and then you had us in the staff room :laugh: That said if there was birthday or something people went out as a class which had a mix of people and of course the classroom staff were mixed so we did interact just not all of the time

[Glenn.]

Maybe they are grouping themselves by intelligence and not how they identify.

:clap2:

[Glenn.]

Funny how when straight people stick together it’s “natural,” but when LGBTQ people do it, it’s “isolation.”

[Beso]

Sam didnt mention feyisola, either.

[vesavius]

Funny how when straight people stick together it’s “natural,” but when LGBTQ people do it, it’s “isolation.”

Such a strawman comment.

The point being made here is that the individuals that go on for days and days about inclusion and driving down division are the fastest to form an exclusive in group and are happy, to the point of making light of it, to see lone individuals not included in any group at all.

It's lack of consistency between what they say and how they behave that's being discussed.

[vesavius]

Maybe they are grouping themselves by intelligence and not how they identify.

Such nonsense.

Explain Sam being in that group, because he isn't exactly a big brain. Even the others are midwits at best.

This is not a group built around intelligence :joker::joker:

[Glenn.]

Such a strawman comment.

The point being made here is that the individuals that go on for days and days about inclusion and driving down division are the fastest to form an exclusive in group and are happy, to the point of making light of it, to see lone individuals not included in any group at all.

It's lack of consistency between what they say and how they behave that's being discussed.

Or maybe it’s not hypocrisy at all. When you’re part of a group that’s been mocked or sidelined for years, you tend to gravitate toward people who understand that experience. That’s not exclusion. That’s self-preservation.

[vesavius]

Or maybe it’s not hypocrisy at all. When you’re part of a group that’s been mocked or sidelined for years, you tend to gravitate toward people who understand that experience. That’s not exclusion. That’s self-preservation.

oh, get on... You act like it's still the 80s :joker::joker:

The double standard is clear, no matter how hard some work to rationalise or make excuses for it.

[Glenn.]

oh, get on... You act like it's still the 80s :joker::joker:

The double standard is clear, no matter how hard some work to rationalise or make excuses for it.

It’s not about the 80s. It’s about patterns that still exist now. LGBTQ people still deal with bias, subtle or not. Pointing that out isn’t making excuses. It’s just reality that some prefer to ignore.

[vesavius]

It’s not about the 80s. It’s about patterns that still exist now. LGBTQ people still deal with bias, subtle or not. Pointing that out isn’t making excuses. It’s just reality that some prefer to ignore.

Bias is situational and subjective. It exists for everyone in different situations. You only see that which might effect LGBTQ because that's what suits you see.

But, the point here being made is that for a group that preaches inclusion inclusion and empathy it's just a really bad look to see them creating an ingroup and making light of excluding others.

The same way as it was a bad look for Sam to be braying over carol being mocked over her age, while breaking down when someone mocks his affected mannerisms.

There is just zero self awareness or consistency, all they can see is how things impact themselves not others. It's such a narcissistic way to live.

[Glenn.]

Bias is situational and subjective. It exists for everyone in different situations. You only see that which might effect LGBTQ because that's what suits you see.

But, the point here being made is that for a group that preaches inclusion inclusion and empathy it's just a really bad look to see them creating an ingroup and making light of excluding others.

The same way as it was a bad look for Sam to be braying over carol being mocked over her age, while breaking down when someone mocks his affected mannerisms.

There is just zero self awareness or consistency, all they can see is how things impact themselves not others. It's such a narcissistic way to live.

You’re confusing community with exclusion. There’s a difference between finding safety in shared experience and deliberately shutting others out. LGBTQ people don’t “preach inclusion” because we want everyone to be our friend. We ask for fairness and respect, not forced friendship.

And comparing queer people finding support with Sam mocking someone’s age is a reach. One is solidarity. The other is cruelty. Not the same thing.

[vesavius]

You’re confusing community with exclusion.

No I am not. You just give it different labels depending on who is doing it in order to defend and rationalise it.

And comparing queer people finding support with Sam mocking someone’s age is a reach. One is solidarity. The other is cruelty. Not the same thing.

Not sure, I find ageism to be every bit as disgusting as, say, homophobia.

The group think of solidarity can be very cruel indeed, as history shows us.

[Glenn.]

No I am not. You just give it different labels depending on who is doing it in order to defend and rationalise it.



Not sure, I find ageism to be every bit as disgusting as, say, homophobia.

The group think of solidarity can be very cruel indeed, as history shows us.

Fair point on ageism, it’s wrong too. But intent matters. Mocking someone for who they are isn’t the same as finding comfort with people who share your experiences. One comes from hate, the other from protection. Calling that groupthink ignores why those groups form in the first place.

[vesavius]

Fair point on ageism, it’s wrong too. But intent matters. Mocking someone for who they are isn’t the same as finding comfort with people who share your experiences. One comes from hate, the other from protection. Calling that groupthink ignores why those groups form in the first place.

Exclusion over the last 20 years has actively been classed as a form of hate... Now that the LGBT community have power, it suddenly switches to 'self protection and comfort'.

But, look... If a Christian community, for example, banned trans people from a space on the grounds of self protection and comfort they would be attacked as bigots.

The mocking of Carol based on her age was a separate example of the double standards and hypocrisy of that group. I didn't mean to imply it was the same thing as the happy exclusion of others from their ingroup.

[Glenn.]

Exclusion over the last 20 years has actively been classed as a form of hate... Now that the LGBT community have power, it suddenly switches to 'self protection and comfort'.

But, look... If a Christian community, for example, banned trans people from a space on the grounds of self protection and comfort they would be attacked as bigots.

The mocking of Carol based on her age was a separate example of the double standards and hypocrisy of that group. I didn't mean to imply it was the same thing as the happy exclusion of others from their ingroup.

You’re comparing things that aren’t equal. A Christian group banning trans people is exclusion based on identity. LGBTQ people forming a bond in a shared space is inclusion within a marginalised identity. One restricts access, the other builds safety.

As for Carol, mocking age is wrong. But calling an oppressed group hypocritical for finding comfort together misses the bigger picture. Power isn’t equal here, no matter how much you want to pretend it is.

[vesavius]

You’re comparing things that aren’t equal. A Christian group banning trans people is exclusion based on identity. LGBTQ people forming a bond in a shared space is inclusion within a marginalised identity. One restricts access, the other builds safety.

Every group claims that they are excluding others in the name of safety. The comparison is 100% equal, it's just may not be comfortable with that being point out.

As for Carol, mocking age is wrong. Power isn’t equal here, no matter how much you want to pretend it is.

Power is situational. In that time when Carol was being mocked for her age, Sam was in the power group.

Power is never a static value. It is always situational.

Right now the LGBT group is in a powerful place in the house, so they exclude and mock freely.

[Glenn.]

Every group claims that they are excluding others in the name of safety. The comparison is 100% equal, it's just may not be comfortable with that being point out.



Power is situational. In that time when Carol was being mocked for her age, Sam was in the power group.

Power is never a static value. It is always situational.

Right now the LGBT group is in a powerful place in the house, so they exclude and mock freely.

Power isn’t just who’s loudest in a house share. It’s about who faces that bias in real life, outside the walls too. LGBTQ people might look confident or united in there, but that doesn’t erase the years of being the punchline or outsider.

Carol was mocked, yes, and that’s ugly. But that doesn’t mean the dynamics are equal. A few days of house dominance doesn’t undo decades of prejudice.

[vesavius]

Power isn’t just who’s loudest in a house share. It’s about who faces that bias in real life, outside the walls too. LGBTQ people might look confident or united in there, but that doesn’t erase the years of being the punchline or outsider.

Carol was mocked, yes, and that’s ugly. But that doesn’t mean the dynamics are equal. A few days of house dominance doesn’t undo decades of prejudice.

As I said, in real life power is situational. It is not a constant value.

I know that this isn't the received wisdom in the LGBT community because, well, it's benefits them to not understand or acknowledge it, but it's true.

The dynamic def was not equal, I agree. Sam was in a power position and he abused it. He could have stayed true and consistent to his professed values and extended empathy to Carol, but instead he brayed like a donkey.

[Glenn.]

As I said, in real life power is situational. It is not a constant value.

I know that this isn't the received wisdom in the LGBT community because, well, it's benefits them to not understand or acknowledge it, but it's true.

The dynamic def was not equal, I agree. Sam was in a power position and he abused it. He could have stayed true and consistent to his professed values and extended empathy to Carol, but instead he brayed like a donkey.

Agreed, Sam handled that badly. Mocking anyone’s age is cheap and hypocritical. But you’re twisting the wider point. A brief social advantage in a TV house isn’t power in the same way systemic bias is.

Situational shifts don’t erase structural reality. LGBTQ people might have influence for a week in a show, but they still face inequality outside it. That’s the difference you keep ignoring.

[vesavius]

Agreed, Sam handled that badly. Mocking anyone’s age is cheap and hypocritical. But you’re twisting the wider point. A brief social advantage in a TV house isn’t power in the same way systemic bias is.

Situational shifts don’t erase structural reality. LGBTQ people might have influence for a week in a show, but they still face inequality outside it. That’s the difference you keep ignoring.

Systemic bias is an outdated myth in 2025. LGBT folks thrive in literally every field. Every system is designed to protect and promote their interests. As I said, this is not the 80s anymore... The LGBT community needs to stop pretending that things have not changed.

But, the thing is that victimhood in progressive circles is a form of social currency and so it is hoarded and treasured as such. it is in itself a form of power.

[Glenn.]

Systemic bias is an outdated myth in 2025. LGBT folks thrive in literally every field. Every system is designed to protect and promote their interests. As I said, this is not the 80s anymore... The LGBT community needs to stop pretending that things have not changed.

But, the thing is that victimhood in progressive circles is a form of social currency and so it is hoarded and treasured as such. it is in itself a form of power.

You’re mistaking visibility for equality. LGBTQ people might be more seen, but that doesn’t mean the bias is gone. Hate crimes, workplace discrimination, and conversion practices still exist. Legal rights don’t always mean lived equality.

And calling it victimhood when people speak about those realities is lazy. It’s not about collecting pity points. It’s about demanding the same safety and respect everyone else already takes for granted.

[vesavius]

You’re mistaking visibility for equality. LGBTQ people might be more seen, but that doesn’t mean the bias is gone. Hate crimes, workplace discrimination, and conversion practices still exist. Legal rights don’t always mean lived equality.

And calling it victimhood when people speak about those realities is lazy. It’s not about collecting pity points. It’s about demanding the same safety and respect everyone else already takes for granted.

You keep telling me that I am mistaking this for that, but I am not.

But I do think that you maybe mistake equality for equity.

That aside though, I am not talking about being seen, I am talking about there being zero institutional bias against LGBT. In fact, if anything in 2025 the bias institutionally speaking is in favour of them as a group. The social bias/ power, as I say, is situational.

Look, I grew up in the 80s in an openly gay family, when it was actually ****in hard to be gay. I saw what the bias was then first hand. I have seen over the decades how it has changed and improved, and I have seen how so many in the community have refused to acknowledge that because doing so would be giving a portion of their power away.

'Pity points' are social currency, as I say.

[Beso]

Agreed, Sam handled that badly. Mocking anyone’s age is cheap and hypocritical


It is indeed.

[Withano]

I mean by the exact same logic, your thread could have been about the heterosexual people making an exclusive group together - and I think it says more about you than you realise that this is instead the narrative of your thread

[Withano]

But for what it’s worth - and maybe I’ve forgotten.

I think you’re referring to a group consisting of zelah Sam fayeshola jenny Cameron teja- and I’m only aware of 2 in 6 identifying as lgbtq+?

Whilst another member of the lgbtq+ (Nancy) feels closer to Cameron Tate Marcus Elsa

So, basically I think your narrative is trash and your counting skills are worse

[vesavius]

But for what it’s worth - and maybe I’ve forgotten.

I think you’re referring to a group consisting of zelah Sam fayeshola jenny Cameron teja- and I’m only aware of 2 in 6 identifying as lgbtq+?

Whilst another member of the lgbtq+ (Nancy) feels closer to Cameron Tate Marcus Elsa

So, basically I think your narrative is trash and your counting skills are worse

Sam named them the 'gays and girlies' group, we didn't.

[Glenn.]

You keep telling me that I am mistaking this for that, but I am not.

But I do think that you maybe mistake equality for equity.

That aside though, I am not talking about being seen, I am talking about there being zero institutional bias against LGBT. In fact, if anything in 2025 the bias institutionally speaking is in favour of them as a group. The social bias/ power, as I say, is situational.

Look, I grew up in the 80s in an openly gay family, when it was actually ****in hard to be gay. I saw what the bias was then first hand. I have seen over the decades how it has changed and improved, and I have seen how so many in the community have refused to acknowledge that because doing so would be giving a portion of their power away.

'Pity points' are social currency, as I say.

You’ve seen progress, and that’s real. No one denies it. But equality isn’t a finish line you cross once. Rights can regress, protections can erode, and acceptance can vanish fast when politics shift.

Institutions may look supportive on paper, but bias lives in enforcement, culture, and everyday behaviour. Try being openly trans at work or holding your partner’s hand in some towns and see how “institutional favour” feels then.

What you call “pity points” is often just people refusing to pretend the job is done. Visibility doesn’t mean victory, it means the fight finally has witnesses.

[Withano]

Sam named them the 'gays and girlies' group, we didn't.

So his counting skills are just as bad then… blindly agreeing to something someone says doesn’t make it correct - in this instance, it makes you all wrong from a technical and literal standpoint.

But compare the language he’s using and you’re using - because there’s a difference in morality here.

It’s time to self reflect mate

[vesavius]

You’ve seen progress, and that’s real. No one denies it. But equality isn’t a finish line you cross once. Rights can regress, protections can erode, and acceptance can vanish fast when politics shift.

100% agree and if that happens I will be right there to fight against it.

In fact, one of the reasons I am actively anti Islam is it's stance on LGBT rights.

Institutions may look supportive on paper, but bias lives in enforcement, culture, and everyday behaviour. Try being openly trans at work or holding your partner’s hand in some towns and see how “institutional favour” feels then.

What you call “pity points” is often just people refusing to pretend the job is done. Visibility doesn’t mean victory, it means the fight finally has witnesses.

You called it pity points, not me ;)

But, as I say, social power and bias is situational. I fully agree that LGBT can be on the bad end of it, ofc, but what I am saying is that they can also very often be on the positive side of it. The same as anyone else.

Anyhow, we are repeating ourselves now and I think we have heard each other, so I will bow out. Thanks for the chill conversation on it though, I appreciate not falling into attacks and slurs.

[vesavius]

So his counting skills are just as bad then… blindly agreeing to something someone says doesn’t make it correct - in this instance, it makes you all wrong from a technical and literal standpoint.

But compare the language he’s using and you’re using - because there’s a difference in morality here.

It’s time to self reflect mate

Who are you again? :joker::joker:

Tell me about this language though. Help me be a better person, seeing as you are clearly the forums morality police :joker:

[Glenn.]

I mean by the exact same logic, your thread could have been about the heterosexual people making an exclusive group together - and I think it says more about you than you realise that this is instead the narrative of your thread

Agreed

[Beso]

I mean by the exact same logic, your thread could have been about the heterosexual people making an exclusive group together - and I think it says more about you than you realise that this is instead the narrative of your thread

There isn't an exclusive heterosexual group though.

[Beso]

But for what it’s worth - and maybe I’ve forgotten.

I think you’re referring to a group consisting of zelah Sam fayeshola jenny Cameron teja- and I’m only aware of 2 in 6 identifying as lgbtq+?

Whilst another member of the lgbtq+ (Nancy) feels closer to Cameron Tate Marcus Elsa

So, basically I think your narrative is trash and your counting skills are worse



That would be correct had it not been Nancy Sam and Zelah who were the only 3 discussing it.

[Withano]

Who are you again? :joker::joker:

Tell me about this language though. Help me be a better person, seeing as you are clearly the forums morality police :joker:

Bro

I’m not the one pushing the narrative of a minority group excluding others based on sexual orientation based on something objectively and obviously incorrect because ‘he said it first not me :smug:

Call me the morality police if you want. I quite like the title. Deliberately ignoring any points made is quite the deflection though. Self-reflection is still my key piece of advice still.

[Withano]

That would be correct had it not been Nancy Sam and Zelah who were the only 3 discussing it.

I’m sorry, is this actually a thread about three people having a chat

This is wild

Somebody bump this thread every time three heterosexual people have a chat (spoiler, it’s 75% of the entire show) until they work out how absurd this is

[Beso]

I’m sorry, is this actually a thread about three people having a chat

This is wild

Somebody bump this thread every time three heterosexual people have a chat (spoiler, it’s 75% of the entire show) until they work out how absurd this is

You are forgetting what the chat was about.

[vesavius]

Bro

I’m not the one pushing the narrative of a minority group excluding others based on sexual orientation based on something objectively and obviously incorrect because ‘he said it first not me :smug:

Call me the morality police if you want. I quite like the title. Deliberately ignoring any points made is quite the deflection though. Self-reflection is still my key piece of advice still.

You seem really hostile for some weird reason. I haven't got the energy to engage with you right now over a pedantic point of how many actual lgbt are required for it to be a self identified lgbt group that you clearly feel very strongly about and think you are scoring some kind of win with.

Maybe later.

[Zizu]

I noticed that.

Sam seemed to be quite happy that there were a couple excluded from the 2 main groups.

I didn't see much empathy there at all.


He didn’t even mention Caroline

LoL


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[Zizu]

Sam didnt mention feyisola, either.


Are you certain ?


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[Beso]

Are you certain ?


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1million percent.

[Mystic Mock]

The only thing that I've noticed is Feyisola and Teja having a grudge against men so far.

- Both nominated George and Tate.

- Teja in particular can't stop talking about her irrational dislike of Tate.

- And Teja did say how she finds Cameron B annoying.

So if Cameron B survives tonight, I am expecting both women to nominate a mixture of Tate/Cameron B/Marcus in the next round of nominations, as they are looking like they're trying to remove that group now that George is gone.

And tbh it wouldn't take much for them to get Sam onboard considering he did nominate both George and Marcus.

And Zelah nominated Cameron B and Marcus.

So basically we've got the Tate/Cameron B/Marcus trio up against the Feyisola/Zelah/Teja/Sam quad.

But I'm sure ITV BB will try to blame the four guys (including George) for all of the breakdown in their individual relationships with the Feyisola side of the house.

[Mystic Mock]

I think people naturally gravitate towards others similar to themselves so this isn't really a surprise

That is true tbf.

[Mystic Mock]

Funny how when straight people stick together it’s “natural,” but when LGBTQ people do it, it’s “isolation.”

I personally would say that it's narrow-minded from both sides.

Even if it's psychologically a common thing for most people to do.

[Mystic Mock]

You’re mistaking visibility for equality. LGBTQ people might be more seen, but that doesn’t mean the bias is gone. Hate crimes, workplace discrimination, and conversion practices still exist. Legal rights don’t always mean lived equality.

And calling it victimhood when people speak about those realities is lazy. It’s not about collecting pity points. It’s about demanding the same safety and respect everyone else already takes for granted.

I will never understand how that **** is legal.

[vesavius]

I will never understand how that **** is legal.

I mean, most gender conversation therapy programs are faith based, with Muslims leading the way by a huge margin at 20% having the service offered (and that was just from those that responded to the study, I have zero doubt it is much higher in reality)

They oppose any ban on conversion therapy because they say that it would infringe on 'traditional religious teachings'.

Interestingly, the Church of England is against it.

Before you listen to a member of the LGBT community on this issue please ask them where they stand on the mass importing of an unreformed bronze age fundamentalist religion into the UK from the Middle-East.

[Glenn.]

I mean, most gender conversation therapy programs are faith based, with Muslims leading the way by a huge margin at 20% having the service offered (and that was just from those that responded to the study, I have zero doubt it is much higher in reality)

They oppose any ban on conversion therapy because they say that it would infringe on 'traditional religious teachings'.

Interestingly, the Church of England is against it.

Before you listen to a member of the LGBT community on this issue please ask them where they stand on the mass importing of a bronze age fundamentalist religion into the UK from the Middle-East.

That’s a deflection. The problem isn’t imported religion, it’s the practice itself. Conversion therapy is abuse whether it’s done by Muslims, Christians, or anyone else. Pointing to one group’s involvement doesn’t make it less wrong or less dangerous.

And using faith communities as a shield against bans only proves the need for those bans. Human rights shouldn’t bend around religious comfort. No one should be coerced into changing who they are, full stop.

[vesavius]

That’s a deflection. The problem isn’t imported religion, it’s the practice itself. Conversion therapy is abuse whether it’s done by Muslims, Christians, or anyone else.

See, what you are doing here is rationalising the contradiction between defending a fundamentalist religion that hasn't changed since the Bronze Age, including it's views on LGBT, and progressive Western values.

The point is that importing MORE of a faith that is actively and openly against your progressive values en mass over a short period of time is severe self harm.

52% of Muslims in the UK don't even think homosexuality should be legal.


Human rights shouldn’t bend around religious comfort. No one should be coerced into changing who they are, full stop.

I agree.

It's not me that you need to convince of this.

[Jessica.]

But for what it’s worth - and maybe I’ve forgotten.

I think you’re referring to a group consisting of zelah Sam fayeshola jenny Cameron teja- and I’m only aware of 2 in 6 identifying as lgbtq+?

Whilst another member of the lgbtq+ (Nancy) feels closer to Cameron Tate Marcus Elsa

So, basically I think your narrative is trash and your counting skills are worse

Teja said she didn't even know much about the lgbtq community too

[Jessica.]

There isn't an exclusive heterosexual group though.

What is the wolf pack thing then?

[Beso]

What is the wolf pack thing then?

3 guys that are being austrocised by everyone else.

[Zizu]

3 guys that are being austrocised by everyone else.


Its self inflicted though especially when Marcus and Tate ( in particular) are influenced even controlled by that lump-head Cameron who because he’s continually bored just annoys , upsets or intimidates just about everyone including his two hapless followers


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[Lostie!]

3 guys that are being austrocised by everyone else.

Well that's just a total rewriting of what actually happened. They gravitated towards each other and formed a clique very early on, it wasn't the result of being ostracised whatsoever.

[Beso]

Well that's just a total rewriting of what actually happened. They gravitated towards each other and formed a clique very early on, it wasn't the result of being ostracised whatsoever.



The others have ostracised them for doing that. Or that's what it looked like until Nancy spilt the beans to Cameron B last night. Which I've just seen.

So maybe you're right.

[Benjamin]

3 guys that are being austrocised by everyone else.

They started the group thing by calling themselves the wolf pack in the first few days. Plus they are ****ing awful and bring it on themselves.

Edit: Actually just Cameron B and Marcus are awful. Tate is just bland but seems nice enough so far.

[Shaun]

guys can we stop pointing out that the straight guys formed a group first, it is really obscuring the suffering and plight that heterosexual men have to face everywhere online in queer communities they voluntarily intrude upon and annoy :(

[Beso]

Now now Shaun, we don't want to go down the TIBB gays only route.

The thread will just end up closed.


Prity funny post though.

[Beso]

In my defence, it seems to be our group or **** off now that cam B and his loud voice have left.

No George either.

[Glenn.]

They started the group thing by calling themselves the wolf pack in the first few days. Plus they are ****ing awful and bring it on themselves.

Edit: Actually just Cameron B and Marcus are awful. Tate is just bland but seems nice enough so far.

Yeah but the gays

[Mystic Mock]

I mean, most gender conversation therapy programs are faith based, with Muslims leading the way by a huge margin at 20% having the service offered (and that was just from those that responded to the study, I have zero doubt it is much higher in reality)

They oppose any ban on conversion therapy because they say that it would infringe on 'traditional religious teachings'.

Interestingly, the Church of England is against it.

Before you listen to a member of the LGBT community on this issue please ask them where they stand on the mass importing of an unreformed bronze age fundamentalist religion into the UK from the Middle-East.

This is why I struggle with organized religion sometimes, because some of the leaders of a Religion will abuse the teachings to justify hatred of the other.

And I can believe it with Islam tbh, as we know that they do have a contingent of their community that are extremely Homophobic.

[Mystic Mock]

Its self inflicted though especially when Marcus and Tate ( in particular) are influenced even controlled by that lump-head Cameron who because he’s continually bored just annoys , upsets or intimidates just about everyone including his two hapless followers


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How do you explain Teja disliking Tate more than Cameron B?

For some reason the three guys in general can't seem to get along with Feyisola, Teja, and possibly Zelah.

And tbf it seems like the feeling is very much mutual.

[Abra]

Exclusion over the last 20 years has actively been classed as a form of hate... Now that the LGBT community have power, it suddenly switches to 'self protection and comfort'.

But, look... If a Christian community, for example, banned trans people from a space on the grounds of self protection and comfort they would be attacked as bigots.

The mocking of Carol based on her age was a separate example of the double standards and hypocrisy of that group. I didn't mean to imply it was the same thing as the happy exclusion of others from their ingroup.

How did they "ban" people from a space for not being LGBTQ when Jenny and Teja were also there?

I think you're confused about what you watched.

[Crimson Dynamo]

It was a meeting of the woke mind virus crew and Teja and Jenny are part of that gang

[Abra]

Where did I even say that in the post of mine that you quoted?

I think you need to work on your reading comprehension.

You compared it to a Christian community banning trans people from a space. If you weren't referring to last night's episode of Big Brother, then where did that comparison come from? Reading comprehension is fine, your points just don't make a lot of sense.

[vesavius]

How did they "ban" people from a space for not being LGBTQ when Jenny and Teja were also there?

I think you're confused about what you watched.

We clearly use LGBT here as a shorthand. It clearly includes approved allies.

I am sorry, I assumed that people would be bright enough to understand that, outside of pedantic gotchaisms.

[Abra]

We clearly use LGBT here as a shorthand. It clearly includes approved allies.

I am sorry, I assumed that people would be bright enough to understand that, outside of pedantic gotchaisms.

Just because someone dismantled your point with ease doesn't mean you need to resort to personal attacks, dear. Just do better next time.

[vesavius]

You compared it to a Christian community banning trans people from a space. If you weren't referring to last night's episode of Big Brother, then where did that comparison come from? Reading comprehension is fine, your points just don't make a lot of sense.

Did you read the whole conversation? Do I need to explain the meaning of context to you?

You clearly missed what was being said in context of the entire conversation, to just then complain that it 'doesn't make sense'.

It did, you just didn't understand it.

[vesavius]

Just because someone dismantled your point with ease doesn't mean you need to resort to personal attacks, dear. Just do better next time.

OK, point taken, next time I will not assume a level of comprehension and will detail every single point out so that some of the slower members can understand.

'dismantled' :joker:

[Abra]

Did you read the whole conversation? Do I need to explain the meaning of context to you?

You clearly missed what was being said in context of the entire conversation, to just then complain that it 'doesn't make sense'.

It did, you just didn't understand it.

I responded to a specific comment you made.

You implied that the Zelah/Feyisola group had banned people from a space in the house because they were not LGBTQ. When that was proven to be patently untrue you started this mental gymnastics and random attacks about how someone can't read or whatever just because they pointed out that what you said was incorrect. Sorry that it bothered you so much.

[Abra]

OK, point taken, next time I will not assume a level of comprehension and will detail every single point out so that some of the slower members can understand.

'dismantled' :joker:

Once again, just more cringeworthy personal attacks because you got proven wrong. Grow up love.

[vesavius]

I responded to a specific comment you made.

You implied that the Zelah/Feyisola group had banned people from a space in the house because they were not LGBTQ. When that was proven to be patently untrue you started this mental gymnastics and random attacks about how someone can't read or whatever just because they pointed out that what you said was incorrect. Sorry that it bothered you so much.

You responded to single part of a wide ranging conversation and then tried to pretend that there all there was in an effort to cry 'gotcha'.

It was pedantic and cheap.

I do not imply anything in what I say, I state my points very clearly. If you see anything else past what has been said then that is just in your imagination.

If I point out that it is either your reading comprehension or dishonesty that is the problem here then that's what I mean.

I would have been far more polite to you if you had engaged in good faith, but you started this from a point of a snarky 'gotcha' so I feel no need to treat you with respect at this point.

The conversation you drew from was actually pretty good and very civil, which is the sad thing.

[vesavius]

Once again, just more cringeworthy personal attacks because you got proven wrong. Grow up love.


Was this personal against you?

I think that your reading comprehension is letting you down again.

[Abra]

You responded to single part of a wide ranging conversation and then tried to pretend that there all there was in an effort to cry 'gotcha'.

It was pedantic and cheap.

I do not imply anything in what I say, I state my points very clearly. If you see anything else past what has been said then that is just in your imagination.

If I point out that it is either your reading comprehension or dishonesty that is the problem here then that's what I mean.

I would have been far more polite to you if you had engaged in good faith, but you started this from a point of a snarky 'gotcha' so I feel no need to treat you with respect at this point.

The conversation you drew from was actually pretty good and very civil, which is the sad thing.
Again, I am sorry that the fact I pointed out you were talking bollocks with that point inspired you to feel this upset but that's not my problem. Take the L and move on.

[vesavius]

Again, I am sorry that the fact I pointed out you were talking bollocks with that point inspired you to feel this upset but that's not my problem. Take the L and move on.

Abra, why are you working so hard at this?

Honestly, it's just a barrage of you trying to make out that you have upset me and claiming some kind of vague 'win'. You add nothing at all of worth to anything said in this thread up till this point. What are you even gaining here? :joker:

You seem to be in a war that's really only going on inside your own head, striking out when it's simply suggested to you that you didn't understand the point you were trying use use to score points with.

Because you clearly didn't.

But, ok, you win, you are the biggest brain here. I bend the knee to your clear genius.

Hopefully this can stop now and we can move on.

[Abra]

Abra, why are you working so hard at this?

Honestly, it's just a barrage of you trying to make out that you have upset me and claiming some kind of vague 'win'. You add nothing at all of worth to anything said in this thread up till this point. What are you even gaining here? :joker:

You seem to be in a war that's really only going on inside your own head, striking out when it's simply suggested to you that you didn't understand the point you were trying use use to score points with.

Because you clearly didn't.

But, ok, you win, you are the biggest brain here. I bend the knee to your clear genius.

Hopefully this can stop now and we can move on.
You are arguing with yourself. There's no "working hard" in telling you the truth. I pointed out a flaw in your argument and it's clearly triggered something in you to make you overreact to this level. Let us know if you're going to be finished any time soon.

[vesavius]

You are arguing with yourself. There's no "working hard" in telling you the truth. I pointed out a flaw in your argument and it's clearly triggered something in you to make you overreact to this level. Let us know if you're going to be finished any time soon.

I think you are a little bit obssessed with me Abra, and that's ok :blush2:

'tRiGgErEd' :joker:

Look, I have already said that you win and that I am no match for your ginormous brain. Isn't that enough?

[Abra]

I think you are a little bit obssessed with me Abra, and that's ok :blush2:

'tRiGgErEd' :joker:

Look, I have already said that you win and that I am no match for your ginormous brain. Isn't that enough?

You must have something going on that has nothing to do with me. Best wishes love.

[vesavius]

You must have something going on that has nothing to do with me. Best wishes love.

Thank you for your best wishes :love: