Prince Andrew removed as Prince, by the King

[arista]

They can do a Legit Vote
to Officially Cancel the "Prince" of Andrew.



It is the only way.


Shut up the King
Worrying about Parliamentary time

This can all be done and dusted on one afternoon
in the UK Parliament


Bring This On.

[Mystic Mock]

You watch them vote wrong.

[bots]

there are more important things going on in the country other than if andrew is called prince

[arista]

there are more important things going on in the country other than if Andrew is called prince


Valid Point.


But it will help our Front Pages change

[arista]

Live Debate Now on this
LBC


Listen Free on this radio player Link

https://www.radio-uk.co.uk/lbc

[Livia]

there are more important things going on in the country other than if andrew is called prince

The voice of reason...

[arista]

The SNP will ask for
a Parliament Vote (Parliament Act)


Stephen Flynn MP Leader of SNP


Will get the Ball Rolling


He spoke Live on Politics Live BBC2HD 12:15PM

[bots]

dont people realise that they are being played. All this prince andrew stuff is distraction. He won't be going to court, if there were any proof, it would already have been used. Whether he is called prince or not makes zero difference to anything other than distracting the public from the real problems in the country .... and it looks like Arista has fallen for it hook, line and sinker

[arista]

Look,
it is our Taxes
they fund him

[arista]

[looks like Arista has]

Hardly,
it is on every TV news debate

[emseateng2014]

if its a vote for no prince then that means uk then the world will know a royal family member last name for the 1st time in history

[Livia]

if its a vote for no prince then that means uk then the world will know a royal family member last name for the 1st time in history

It's Windsor.

[bots]

Look,
it is our Taxes
they fund him

no they don't, check your facts Arista

[emseateng2014]

It's Windsor.

its crazy how none of us on earth has ever called any of the pure royal family members by both there first and last name like we never say for examples william windsor harry windsor charles windsor

we would ofen say there royal title then there 1st name and no last name like for examples prince harry king charles prince charles prince william

its different for politicans because we often would say there country political title then the first and last name like for examples canadian prime minster mark carney ukrainian president vladimaire zeleinski irsael president benjamin yahoo

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Beso]

I would be happier for the king to dissolve parliament

[arista]

I would be happier for the king to dissolve parliament

No, we are not at War,
this is about, Prince Andrew's title

Need a Vote to Remove, "prince"

[AnnieK]

What do you actually think removing the title of Prince will change? He will still be the brother of the King, live on the Royal Estate and have all the same trappings but just be Andrew, former Prince etc. Nothing will change whatsoever and is a waste of Parliamentary time

[arista]

What do you actually think removing the title of Prince will change? He will still be the brother of the King, live on the Royal Estate and have all the same trappings but just be Andrew, former Prince etc. Nothing will change whatsoever and is a waste of Parliamentary time

Yes, some say that

But it can be done in a day.



The LibDems are now pushing for it.



So Wise Annie
is a day taken away from Parliament
such a problem?

[AnnieK]

Yes, some say that

But it can be done in a day.



The LibDems are now pushing for it.



So Wise Annie
is a day taken away from Parliament
such a problem?

Yes, when we have bigger problems. If there was any benefit at all to the Country to strip him of a title, then maybe, but as it will make not one jot of difference to anything, then why waste the time when the country is already on its knees :shrug:

[arista]

Yes, when we have bigger problems. If there was any benefit at all to the Country to strip him of a title, then maybe, but as it will make not one jot of difference to anything, then why waste the time when the country is already on its knees :shrug:



One Day Lost


Will not change the Mess
Rachel Reeves & PM Starmer are making

[AnnieK]

One Day Lost


Will not change the Mess
Rachel Reeves & PM Starmer are making

But what benefit will anyone get if they strip his Prince title? The answer is none. Its a waste of Parliamentary time

[arista]

But what benefit will anyone get if they strip his Prince title? The answer is none. Its a waste of Parliamentary time

It gives him Less power.


Millions are now wanting Parliament to
end it.


This is what parliament is for.

[AnnieK]

It gives him Less power.


Millions are now wanting Parliament to
end it.


This is what parliament is for.

Lol....what power does he have currently? The man has been a recluse for years due to the family's embarrassment of him.

[arista]

Lol....what power does he have currently? The man has been a recluse for years due to the family's embarrassment of him.


No Need Now


Live The King has Removed his Prince Status


Live All Media

[arista]

Prince Andrew removed as Prince, by the King


New Title of this thread.


Also, the King has instructed Andrew
to Move out of the Lodge

[arista]

Good on Parliament to push the King
into action.


Please, Take note Annie

[MTVN]

Oop, unlucky Andy

I feel sorry for his daughters though

[Cherie]

I thought it had been said as he was born a Prince that couldn't be removed....seems they move the goalposts ...it changes nothing really

[bots]

I thought it had been said as he was born a Prince that couldn't be removed....seems they move the goalposts ...it changes nothing really

i think once the king has decided it's appropriate then it goes through parliament. So he has to start the process.

Would be funny if parliament blocked it :laugh:

[arista]

i think once the king has decided it's appropriate then it goes through parliament. So he has to start the process.

Would be funny if parliament blocked it :laugh:


Yes, the King has speeded it all up
it has to go through Parliament
starting on Monday.


Ch4HDnews Live

[arista]

Andrew Mountbatten Windsor


It is what he will Now be called from today.

[arista]

This Clever man I have met,

Norman Baker Live on SkyNewsHD

Clever words from him

The King has caused a Firebreak
to place Andrew away from them all.

[arista]

Oop, unlucky Andy

I feel sorry for his daughters though



Great News


They are to Keep their Titles

[bots]

The late queen would never have bowed to public pressure

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1983973627302211584/JA1IXFPT?format=jpg&name=medium


Off you Trot

[arista]

The late queen would never have bowed to public pressure


Sure,


But The King was Heckled about Andrew
when he was in Public, in Italy
last week or so

The Bloke was Real Loud

[thesheriff443]

The late queen would never have bowed to public pressure

You don’t know that for sure
She wouldn’t let her grandson have half in half out
She always wanted to protect the monarchy

[Cherie]

what a waste of parliments time

[arista]

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[rusticgal]

https://pbs.twimg.com/card_img/1983973627302211584/JA1IXFPT?format=jpg&name=medium


Off you Trot


Fergie gave him a black eye for making them homeless…

[arista]

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[emseateng2014]

for the 1st time in history in my opinion we get to hear what the royal family last name is

[arista]

Front Page from Wales

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Maru]

I'm not a citizen there obviously, and I don't feel either way about it. It seems good that they have a process now for penalizing Royals... but then on the other hand, the results feel more or less benign to me :shrug:

[thesheriff443]

what a waste of parliments time

As if parliament is doing anything good for its own people on any day of the week month or year

[Redway]

Oh, well.

[bots]

I'm not a citizen there obviously, and I don't feel either way about it. It seems good that they have a process now for penalizing Royals... but then on the other hand, the results feel more or less benign to me :shrug:

The monarchy used to take and give out titles and property depending on how individuals behaved, so this is basically returning to it's roots. The King's justice

[Mystic Mock]

I'm not a citizen there obviously, and I don't feel either way about it. It seems good that they have a process now for penalizing Royals... but then on the other hand, the results feel more or less benign to me :shrug:

Especially considering they won't let him face legal trouble.

[emseateng2014]

The monarchy used to take and give out titles and property depending on how individuals behaved, so this is basically returning to it's roots. The King's justice

what was it like before it returned to its roots

and also wouldnt returning to its roots be like the monarchy from the game of thrones era to the bridgerton era

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/10/31/13/103481329-0-image-m-3_1761916936954.jpg

[Cherie]

Harry should be worried when Wills become King

[thesheriff443]

Harry should be worried when Wills become King

I don’t think it’s got to that stage yet , harry would have to over step the mark by a considerable amount to get his title removed

[Cherie]

I don’t think it’s got to that stage yet , harry would have to over step the mark by a considerable amount to get his title removed

Will make him think twice about slagging off the family in the future

He has accused them of racism, not sure he can sink any lower

A precedent has been set, we were always told he was born a Prince so the title could not be removed

Wills has already signalled the intent to remove HRH from non working Royals

[thesheriff443]

The old saying getting in with the wrong crowd is never more true than Andrews situation

He got mixed up with Epstein and couldn’t break away from him because Epstein could of blew his word apart because he knew what Andrew had done so staying close to Epstein and denying any criminal involvement was all he could do

[arista]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G4lvYQCWoAAh392?format=jpg&name=small


Yes Fergie
a cottage away from your
dirty old man Andrew

[thesheriff443]

Will make him think twice about slagging off the family in the future

He has accused them of racism, not sure he can sink any lower

A precedent has been set, we were always told he was born a Prince so the title could not be removed

Wills has already signalled the intent to remove HRH from non working Royals

It’s taken years of the Andrew accusations for Andrew to finally be cut loose

Blood is thicker than water and Harry has had the trauma of losing his mum in a way that would make you bitter towards his father and the press

[Cherie]

It’s taken years of the Andrew accusations for Andrew to finally be cut loose

Blood is thicker than water and Harry has had the trauma of losing his mum in a way that would make you bitter towards his father and the press

He has also been bitter against Will and Kate....and his Grandmother and Grandfather before they died....Wills lost his Mum too

[thesheriff443]

He has also been bitter against Will and Kate....and his Grandmother and Grandfather before they died....Wills lost his Mum too

Death can affect people in different ways

[arista]

He is Well Lucky
his brother King is loaning him a small cottage

He has not been arrested by the FBI,
The King would stop that.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G4nBO9SXkAA-Ejd?format=jpg&name=small

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/10/31/19/103459509-15247213-Royal_Lodge_in_Windsor_Great_Park_Andrew_s_former_ home_He_will_n-a-2_1761939562406.jpg

He moves out in the New Year.

Reports say.

[emseateng2014]

Harry should be worried when Wills become King

if that happens is harry windsor spencer gonna compare prince william to the mad king from game of thrones

[emseateng2014]

He is Well Lucky
his brother King is loaning him a small cottage

He has not been arrested by the FBI,
The King would stop that.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G4nBO9SXkAA-Ejd?format=jpg&name=small

he was not even arrested by scottland yard interpol mi6 and mi5

[Cherie]

Death can affect people in different ways

Sure, it can make you give a major negative interview while your Grandad is on his deathbed...it happens to most of us

[Cherie]

if that happens is harry windsor spencer gonna compare prince william to the mad king from game of thrones

:laugh: possibly

[Cherie]

He is Well Lucky
his brother King is loaning him a small cottage

He has not been arrested by the FBI,
The King would stop that.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G4nBO9SXkAA-Ejd?format=jpg&name=small

Like why does he need a 30 room house at any rate

I am sure the small cottage will be bigger than most houses

[thesheriff443]

Sure, it can make you give a major negative interview while your Grandad is on his deathbed...it happens to most of us

There can be arguments and actual fights at funerals
He’s not an alien, a lot of people say stuff they shouldn’t have at some point in their lives

[Cherie]

There can be arguments and actual fights at funerals
He’s not an alien, a lot of people say stuff they shouldn’t have at some point in their lives

In the heat of the moment sure, not in a pre planned sit down interview when you know your Grandad is dying and your Grandma is under stress but you do you

[thesheriff443]

In the heat of the moment sure, not in a pre planned sit down interview when you know your Grandad is dying and your Grandma is under stress but you do you

It was something he wanted to get out
Death comes to us all , living as second best for your whole life can’t be easy

I’m not a fan of his but you have to look at the bigger picture

[arista]

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[Cherie]

It was something he wanted to get out
Death comes to us all , living as second best for your whole life can’t be easy

I’m not a fan of his but you have to look at the bigger picture


No I don't have to look at the bigger picture, he was annoyed that he was not given the half in half out status he wanted by the Queen and like the spoilt brat he is instead off respecting her he repaid her by giving negative interviews, calling someone a racist but never naming names and all while his Grandad was dying

[arista]

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[thesheriff443]

No I don't have to look at the bigger picture, he was annoyed that he was not given the half in half out status he wanted by the Queen and like the spoilt brat he is instead off respecting her he repaid her by giving negative interviews, calling someone a racist but never naming names and all while his Grandad was dying

The thing is it wasn’t your grandad it was is so that’s down to him

[arista]

Money In

Money Out

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[Beso]

Suicide before next Xmas.

[Cherie]

The thing is it wasn’t your grandad it was is so that’s down to him

No it wasn't but he always had a good relationship with Philip and the Queen so not sure what your point is, he attended both their funerals that should tell you all you need to know

[arista]

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[arista]

Suicide before next Xmas.

Depends on whether the FBI get close

[arista]

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[thesheriff443]

No it wasn't but he always had a good relationship with Philip and the Queen so not sure what your point is, he attended both their funerals that should tell you all you need to know

What he said was his right
Same as going to their funerals was his right

What any of us think doesn’t matter because it’s not our family

And this thread isn’t about Harry so again it doesn’t matter

[emseateng2014]

:laugh: possibly

the royal family are kinda like game of thrones

[arista]

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[Cherie]

What he said was his right
Same as going to their funerals was his right

What any of us think doesn’t matter because it’s not our family

And this thread isn’t about Harry so again it doesn’t matter

You have spent alot of time posting on something that doesn't matter, I made a point about the title Prince being removed, it is relevant because we were always told Princes are born and that title can never be taken away, now we know that is not true...

[Livia]

I can't believe so much time and attention has been spent on Andrew, a man who has never been arrested, let alone charged.

What's being swept under the carpet while we gleefully watch a man's life destroyed on the strength of an unsubstantiated claim? What's being withheld while our attention is distracted by this nonsense?

[thesheriff443]

You have spent alot of time posting on something that doesn't matter, I made a point about the title Prince being removed, it is relevant because we were always told Princes are born and that title can never be taken away, now we know that is not true...

I wouldn’t call five posts spending a lot of time I’ve been replying to you

[thesheriff443]

I can't believe so much time and attention has been spent on Andrew, a man who has never been arrested, let alone charged.

What's being swept under the carpet while we gleefully watch a man's life destroyed on the strength of an unsubstantiated claim? What's being withheld while our attention is distracted by this nonsense?

He done it

Sending an email to a convicted paedo saying we are in this together tells you all you need to know

You don’t pay your accuser 12 million if you are innocent

Friendship didn’t see him stay loyal to a paedo but guilt

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2025/10/31/22/103499089-0-image-a-6_1761950429823.jpg

[Livia]

He done it

Sending an email to a convicted paedo saying we are in this together tells you all you need to know

You don’t pay your accuser 12 million if you are innocent

Friendship didn’t see him stay loyal to a paedo but guilt

None of that is evidence. And even if he is guilty... enough already.

[thesheriff443]

None of that is evidence. And even if he us guilty... enough already.

People get away with murder because there not enough evidence to convict that doesn’t mean they are not guilty

You don’t give a woman 12 million who says she had sex with you and you said you never met her if you are innocent

A man spent 17 years in jail because he wouldn’t admit to something he hadn’t done and in the end was proven innocent

[bots]

Im sure Andrew will do very nicely in retirement. On the subject of accountability, who else other than Epstein and Maxwell have faced any real consequences. The answer is a simple - no-one. Even Maxwell has now been moved to a minimum security prison with all the trappings of a normal life, and she was directly responsible for the pain and suffering of scores of young women. The world is messed up and it's not going to get any better

[Cherie]

I wouldn’t call five posts spending a lot of time I’ve been replying to you

You said it didn't matter so I have no idea why you are responding :shrug:

[emseateng2014]

I can't believe so much time and attention has been spent on Andrew, a man who has never been arrested, let alone charged.

What's being swept under the carpet while we gleefully watch a man's life destroyed on the strength of an unsubstantiated claim? What's being withheld while our attention is distracted by this nonsense?

imagine if this happened in the dark ages aka the mid evil times era like in game of thrones

[thesheriff443]

You said it didn't matter so I have no idea why you are responding :shrug:

I was having a conversation with you on a forum we both been for 14 years
Stop acting like I’m doing something wrong

[OnTheRight]

People get away with murder because there not enough evidence to convict that doesn’t mean they are not guilty


If there isn't enough evidence how do you know people get away with murder?

[thesheriff443]

If there isn't enough evidence how do you know people get away with murder?

Because knowing someone did it and providing someone did are two different things

[OnTheRight]

Because knowing someone did it and providing someone did are two different things

It's a good job you are a lawyer.
You know he did it? But you have no proof?
:laugh:

[thesheriff443]

It's a good job you are a lawyer.
You know he did it? But you have no proof?
:laugh:

Would you give 12 million to someone that said you had sex with them if you didn’t?

Maybe try and educate yourself on the police and justice system

[Maru]

Inside humiliated Andrew's new life in exile: From butlers and Downton-style splendour to a pokey cottage with a latch key, friends tell RICHARD KAY how disgraced royal will now live... and reveal who is 'propping him up'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/royals/article-15247323/Humiliated-Andrews-exile-RICHARD-KAY-disgraced-royal.html

21:21 EDT 31 Oct 2025, updated 21:21 EDT 31 Oct 2025

The homecoming will be unlike anything he has ever experienced. At one time staff at Royal Lodge, a house with a rich imperial heritage, would greet Prince Andrew in the saloon, Downton Abbey-style. There would be a valet to draw his bath and lay out his clothes, chefs to cook his supper and a butler to serve it. And through the large picture windows he could observe his team of gardeners at work on the 98 acres of parkland that surrounded this private paradise.

When he arrives at his new home – in weeks rather than months, I am told – on the King's Norfolk estate at Sandringham, most of those princely trappings, like his title itself, will have vanished.

He will be given a latch key, a rare possession for a member of the Royal Family for whom doors are always opened and closed. But he will not be entirely alone.

For despite the banishment of Andrew from Windsor, the loss of his beloved house and the removal of all his styles and honours, Charles is determined that his brother's punishment is not without humanity.

He does not expect Andrew to fend for himself. The fact is, at almost 66 and after an entire lifetime cosseted and pampered because of his royal birth, Andrew could not.

Nothing of his previous life will remain, except for his position as eighth in the line of succession to the throne. Removing it would be petty irrelevance.

So, there will still be some domestic help, but not on the wrap-around scale of Royal Lodge. Instead, his life will resemble that of his late father, Prince Philip, who himself moved to Sandringham in 2017 when he retired from public life.

There is, of course, one startling difference. It was Philip's decision to step down. Andrew's move is one of humiliation. It has been forced upon him. He may have acquiesced in the decision, but it was only because he didn't have any alternative.
It seems Andrew's life will resemble that of his late father, Prince Philip, who himself moved to Sandringham in 2017 when he retired from public life
Philip came to love the simpler life he discovered in Norfolk, from the solitude of the landscape to the absence of the formality and protocol he had come to loathe
Andrew will settle into his new life in weeks rather than months, Richard Kay is told. Pictured is Gardens House on the estate

His father came to love the simpler life he discovered in Norfolk, from the solitude of the landscape to the absence of the formality and protocol he had come to loathe. He found it liberating.

Philip was not entirely self-sufficient, but he would come and go as he pleased, eat what he wanted and when he wanted and see whomever he chose to at a time to suit him. He was also 95.

The question is can Andrew, who is 30 years younger than his father when he made the move, similarly adapt? And if he does, what on earth will he do?

In some ways Andrew may be better equipped to this new life than many would think. The pokey rooms of an estate cottage may have none of the grandeur of his Windsor mansion, but they would be a thread to his memories of earlier days when at sea with the Royal Navy and he was confined to ships' quarters.

For security reasons the property Andrew is destined to move to is for now being kept secret. But two have been ruled out – Wood Farm, where his father sank into joyful retirement, and York Cottage, excluded not just for its proximity to Sandringham House but also because of its name.

'How foolish it would be if his titles were torpedoed only for Andrew to be handed a house which carries the name of his former dukedom,' a courtier told me.

It might also be construed, some might think, as an act of cruelty. One royal figure told me that the move would happen 'as soon as possible and practicable'.

Other accommodation on the 20,000-acre estate includes Park House, birthplace of Princess Diana, but abandoned since 2020 when the charity which had run it as a hotel for the disabled closed its doors during the Covid pandemic.

There is also Gardens House, a six-bedroom Edwardian property once occupied by Sandringham's head gardener, but which is now available to the public as a holiday let.

The estate rents out a number of cottages in the villages around Sandringham, too, but they are mainly let to local people who work in the area. None would be suitable for a disgraced ex-prince.

In the end Sandringham was chosen by the King for his brother because it and Balmoral are the two privately-owned royal estates. This is why he refused to allow Andrew to remain at Windsor, even if he had agreed to move into a more modest home, which, of course, he did not.
Sandringham was chosen by the King for his brother because it and Balmoral are the two privately-owned royal estates, Richard Kay writes
Andrew could once observe his team of gardeners at work on the 98 acres of parkland that surrounded this private paradise at Royal Lodge. His life at Sandringham, pictured, will contain no such luxury

For all its grandiose history, Royal Lodge had become a virtual prison for Andrew. His only escape was riding out in the surrounding Windsor Great Park, where he was often photographed. Charles's profound wish is that far from becoming an object of curiosity, Andrew will be absorbed into the estate, where his riding and all his other day to day routines can be conducted in private. So, while I understand a property has been selected, it will not immediately be identified.

Some, but not all the staff who served him at Royal Lodge may be offered the opportunity to follow him to Norfolk. If they do go, how will they address him?

Stripped of his royal titles, the only courtesy he can surely expect to receive from those sent to work for him is being greeted as 'sir'. However, at Royal Lodge he had continued to be addressed as His Royal Highness, even though he was not permitted to use the honorific in public.

One thing is certain; he will no longer live in the style to which he has become so profoundly attached. It could be the rudest of awakenings.

For Andrew is entering unchartered royal waters. But is he to be deprived of every scrap of his royal birthright?

For example, Royal Lodge is largely furnished from the Royal Collection. How much of his familiar surroundings in furniture, pictures and other treasures will he be permitted to take to Norfolk?

More significantly, perhaps, will his ex-wife join him there? Officially Fergie, who has resumed using her maiden name, Sarah Ferguson, is said to be making her own private arrangements for her future accommodation.

So many of their subsequent troubles can be traced to the bond between the two.

Friends who know them well tell me that while once it was he who provided the moral support, it is now Sarah who is propping him up.

'The fact is he needs her,' says a regular visitor to Royal Lodge.

Their brutal downfall has left both at their lowest ebb. 'Sarah is going around blaming herself,' says one who knows her well. 'She keeps repeating, 'What if I hadn't done this, or hadn't done that.'

'Are we worried? Yes of course. But we are worried for Andrew too.' Both are well aware there is little public sympathy, however difficult their future turns out to be.

Should she not have found a home by the time of their departure from Royal Lodge, it is widely thought that Sarah would, temporarily at least, lodge with her ex-husband.
One thing is certain; he will no longer live in the style to which he has become so profoundly attached. It could be the rudest of awakenings, writes Richard Kay

There is certainly something piquant about the possibility of both Andrew and Sarah being sequestered in the sprawling Sandringham estate.

It was where Fergie was marooned in the years after her divorce and not allowed to join the Royal Family at Christmas time, instead being banished to a farmhouse where she was visited by her children and ex-husband. The estate was also where Andrew hosted Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell for what he famously described on Newsnight as a 'straightforward shooting weekend' in December 2000, when his friendship with the unsavoury financier was in its infancy.

Shooting may be one of the few pastimes left to him – though as I revealed last month the royals may charge him for the privilege.

And what about golf? At Windsor he has had access to the course he helped lay out there. At Sandringham there is only a mini-golf course open in the summer months for visitors.

Should he wish to play at the prestigious Royal West Norfolk, along the coast from Sandringham, there is no guarantee that the club, with its long links to the House of Windsor, would agree.

Adopting the life of the idle gentry may also do little to dispel the public outrage against the sense of unchecked privilege surrounding Andrew.

Memories of him bounding down that gangplank at Portsmouth with a rose clamped between his teeth, celebrated as a genuine returning hero from the Falklands war where he had flown at perilous risk as a decoy over the stricken destroyer HMS Sheffield, are long forgotten.

Golf and riding won't rebuild his shattered reputation, however.
Charles is determined that his brother's punishment is not without humanity

How much better it would be if he had the interests his father pursued. Philip spent his time on the estate painting, reading, writing letters, organising his papers and managing Sandringham's remarkable truffle harvest.

He also entertained. Andrew, never the most gregarious of company, does at least have a coterie of friends who have stuck by him.

But without the royal trappings he may no longer be the draw he once was.

One aspect of his life that might change is his ability to move around, even to travel. He has rarely been overseas since being 'sacked' by the late Queen from royal duties almost six years ago.

But as a mere citizen and no longer a prince he may feel entitled to come and go as he chooses. The question of whether he can afford to do so is another matter. The King is said to be meeting the cost of his new life but how much he will finance is not yet known.

Will there be cleaners and other domestic staff? Will he have to shop for himself? Who will put petrol in his car?

As for the move, there are doubts that it will be completed by Christmas. For one reason, Andrew's proximity to the rest of the Royal Family, who gather at Sandringham for the festive season, would almost certainly be viewed negatively.

Of all the late Queen's children, he was the happiest as a child at Sandringham. Yesterday, with royal doors slamming everywhere on the former prince, he may regard a future there, however bleak, as his only chance at redemption.

[arista]

Yes Maru
On UK TV already, guest J. Vine
on BBC1 9AM Sunday
Laura K., show, stated that he could see Andrew M.Windsor
in a USA Jail in the next 5 years.

[OnTheRight]

Would you give 12 million to someone that said you had sex with them if you didn’t?

Maybe try and educate yourself on the police and justice system

It doesn't matter what I would do, the FACT is he has never been found guilty. Educate yourself on facts. :wavey:

[thesheriff443]

It doesn't matter what I would do, the FACT is he has never been found guilty. Educate yourself on facts. :wavey:

No I don’t need education

It’s been proven he lied in his tv interview about when he allegedly stopped talking to Epstein

When you have one lie in such a serious matter there is going to more

He stayed loyal to Epstein because he knew exactly what Andrew had done because Epstein arranged it

His family haven’t stripped him of everything because he is clearly innocent

[Livia]

No I don’t need education

It’s been proven he lied in his tv interview about when he allegedly stopped talking to Epstein

When you have one lie in such a serious matter there is going to more

He stayed loyal to Epstein because he knew exactly what Andrew had done because Epstein arranged it

You need to understand what proven means.

You are not privy to any more information than the rest of us yet you continue to imagine you have all the facts. You don't. You're making it all up.

He's had his titles taken away, his life is all but destroyed. Let it go now. There are more important things going on.

[thesheriff443]

You need to understand what proven means.

You are not privy to any more information than the rest of us yet you continue to imagine you have all the facts. You don't. You're making it all up.

He's had his titles taken away, his life is all but destroyed. Let it go now. There are more important things going on.

He has destroyed his own life I don’t know why you have so much respect for a man that stayed loyal to a convicted serial sex attacker of under age girls

And I don’t have to let anything go

[Livia]

Done talking to you on this. You're still imagining you know what went on. You don't.

[thesheriff443]

Done talking to you on this. You're still imagining you know what went on. You don't.

You dont give 12 million to a woman who is telling lies.

[arista]

You dont give 12 million to a woman who is telling lies.


Waste of money,
as sadly, she killed herself

[OnTheRight]

No I don’t need education

It’s been proven he lied in his tv interview about when he allegedly stopped talking to Epstein

When you have one lie in such a serious matter there is going to more

He stayed loyal to Epstein because he knew exactly what Andrew had done because Epstein arranged it

His family haven’t stripped him of everything because he is clearly innocent
Proven? Can you point me in the right direction so I can view his criminal record, please?

Everything you have typed is what you believe not facts!
Anyway I'm off to watch the mighty Rangers have a great day. :dance:

[OnTheRight]

Done talking to you on this. You're still imagining you know what went on. You don't.

:thumbs:

[thesheriff443]

Proven? Can you point me in the right direction so I can view his criminal record, please?

Everything you have typed is what you believe not facts!
Anyway I'm off to watch the mighty Rangers have a great day. :dance:
he hasn’t got a a criminal record yet because he hasn’t taken to court and his victim killed herself , yes killed herself while people like you defend a man that stayed loyal to a convicted rapist

[bots]

i do find it interesting the way the press are drip feeding the Andrew stuff. It wouldn't surprise me if the intention is to try and bring down the monarchy. All the information has been known for years. Why drip feed stuff

[arista]

i do find it interesting the way the press are drip feeding the Andrew stuff. It wouldn't surprise me if the intention is to try and bring down the monarchy. All the information has been known for years. Why drip feed stuff


So, best let the FBI
Try to Jail him in the USA

[Livia]

Virginia Guiffre was 17 when she supposedly slept with Andrew. Not 13 or 15. And she made an excellent living from it. She was supposedly paid £12 million for non-disclosure. Then she disclosed... Maybe Andrew could be eligible for a refund?

But my REAL question is, when will the heat go on to Mandleson? There are FAR more damning pIctures of him wandering around in a dressing gown with what he called Epstein's "interesting friends", far more damning emails. But he's the darling of the Labour Party...

[Livia]

So, best let the FBI
Try to Jail him in the USA

Remember the American woman who killed the lad on a moped because she was driving on the wrong side of the road? And they whisked her back to the US claiming Diplomatic Immunity, even though she had none? Then they refused to hand her over for trial in the UK despite the victim's parents pleading? I'd treat this case the same as the Americans dealt with that.

[bots]

So, best let the FBI
Try to Jail him in the USA

Andrew doesn't have a case to answer. No-one is accusing him of anything other than knowing Epstein. Also, he does not need to listen to congress or the fbi. Let them try and extradite him and see how far they get

[arista]

Yes
He could be a
No Comment

[emseateng2014]

i do find it interesting the way the press are drip feeding the Andrew stuff. It wouldn't surprise me if the intention is to try and bring down the monarchy. All the information has been known for years. Why drip feed stuff

well people have been wanting to end the british monarchy for years and i guess centuries and most of the time there ideas and plans never always work or they do work but does not last long

[Livia]

well people have been wanting to end the british monarchy for years and i guess centuries and most of the time there ideas and plans never always work or they do work but does not last long

The anti monarchy supporters are a tiny minority, so i don't understand what the hell you're talking about or where you're getting your information from.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-75d77d91-5cc2-4b30-925d-d9cd341c3181.png

[Livia]

I'm so tired of this nonsense on the front page. With everything going on in the world... I think Andrew's humiliation at the hands of his own family us complete.

US Congress should ask Mandelson and, dare I even say it... Trump and Clinton.

[OnTheRight]

a convicted rapist

A convicted rapist?

[emseateng2014]

I'm so tired of this nonsense on the front page. With everything going on in the world... I think Andrew's humiliation at the hands of his own family us complete.

US Congress should ask Mandelson and, dare I even say it... Trump and Clinton.

true but i do like some of the other articles on the front pages of those uk newspapers

[arista]

The King has now formally removed
his "prince" title


All News

[Livia]

How's Peter Mandleson and is he enjoying his payoff?

[arista]

He will ingnore this.

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-4df82a43-8ce5-4100-913f-5ba8558033ee.png

[arista]

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[Livia]

Wow, considering the other famous men involved with Epstein, they're really gunning for Andrew while others have got off scot free. Mandleson, for example. And that's just 2 English men. Andrew's family properly threw him under the bus on the claims of a damaged, unstable, clearly mentally ill woman, one decades old photo and no other evidence at all.

[Livia]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/80/Harry_Dunn.jpg

This is Harry Dunn. He was 19 years old and riding his moped when he was killed by an American woman, Anne Sacoolas, driving on the wrong side of the road. The Americans whisked her out of the country immediately claiming Diplomatic Immunity, even though she had none. She refused to return to England to face charges and the Americans blocked every route the Brits tried.

I say the Americans are met with the same kind of cooperation they showed Harry Dunn's family.

[bots]

Wow, considering the other famous men involved with Epstein, they're really gunning for Andrew while others have got off scot free. Mandleson, for example. And that's just 2 English men. Andrew's family properly threw him under the bus on the claims of a damaged, unstable, clearly mentally ill woman, one decades old photo and no other evidence at all.

there is no evidence of guilt even if he does appear dodgy. When you consider that Maxwell, who actually had evidence against her, is now in an open prison, what is the point of the exercise

[Livia]

there is no evidence of guilt even if he does appear dodgy. When you consider that Maxwell, who actually had evidence against her, is now in an open prison, what is the point of the exercise

There is no point. If only being dodgy was a crime...

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-839b18e1-1b1e-4bb3-9004-7750dc07cebf.jpeg

[arista]

Andrew is now no longer a Prince.


Weds PM Questions
possible MP to ask PM Starmer
about should Andrew speak with the FBI?



Debate Live : GMBHD itv.

[Livia]

I want to know more about the photo of Bill Clinton wearing a blue dress and red heels. And Peter Mandelson sleazing around in a dressing gown... Let's see if their whole lives get wiped out by their own family to save face. I hope Trump does release the Epstein files... Then loads of famous people can be hurled under the bus and not just one Englishman.

[Livia]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-839b18e1-1b1e-4bb3-9004-7750dc07cebf.jpeg

Disgusting. He saved lives and helped save those islands. No information can ever alter that. Give them to the ****ing Argies.

[Zizu]

I want to know more about the photo of Bill Clinton wearing a blue dress and red heels. And Peter Mandelson sleazing around in a dressing gown... Let's see if their whole lives get wiped out by their own family to save face. I hope Trump does release the Epstein files... Then loads of famous people can be hurled under the bus and not just one Englishman.


If Trump is going to vet the files then we can assume that he will wipe any trace of himself and his friends/ associates

It will even make him more powerful as he will have sensitive information on many important people and will use it to his own advantage

[Livia]

If Trump is going to vet the files then we can assume that he will wipe any trace of himself and his friends/ associates

It will even make him more powerful as he will have sensitive information on many important people and will use it to his own advantage

I think people imagine he's able to erase stuff from Epstein files, I think enough people are against him for that not to happen. We're only assuming in his case, because he is deeply disliked in some quarters, it was more than two very rich men who were acquainted. If he was going to use that info to his advantage, he'd have done it already. I think it's not been released because when it is, the excrement is going to hit the cooling device at a scale we can't imagine.

[bots]

this spans multiple departments with thousands of documents, many of which are already in the public domain or congress so it's impossible to change whats out there. I think Trump will continue to say he did nothing wrong, it's always worked for him in the past, there is no reason why it won't work exactly the same into the future

[emseateng2014]

i think andrew mountainbatten windsor should just leave england and live in another country like harry windsor spencer

[arista]

i think andrew mountainbatten windsor should just leave england and live in another country like harry windsor spencer


He will not
as he will end up,
in Jail in the USA


Picked up by CIA
taken to the USA

[arista]

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[emseateng2014]

He will not
as he will end up,
in Jail in the USA


Picked up by CIA
taken to the USA

oh ya and most likely sent to its supermax in usa