Why does Zelah call Sam, Them?

[Parmy]

In the sneak peak, talking about Sam Nancy and Caroline he says. Them, Nancy and Caroline.

Sam said he's not into all that nonsense on the first HL show.

[Oliver_W]

Sam also said he doesn't mind what pronouns people use - "you can't say the wrong thing with good intentions", or something like that.

In Zelah's case, I think it's just overly performative.

[Parmy]

Sam also said he doesn't mind what pronouns people use - "you can't say the wrong thing with good intentions", or something like that.

In Zelah's case, I think it's just overly performative.



What about, the wrong thing with bad intentions :shrug:

[Swan]

Sam was called she, and he on L&L last night, AJ had to correct the people calling Sam he or she with "they". So i dunno, maybe Sam has said something in the DR we haven't seen. But seems a lot of others are confused too.

[Ammi]

…I just re-watched the vid and I think/my understanding is that Zelah says that he’s finding it hard to trust Sam atm, ‘that little trio’…but he hadn’t said who the trio were so adds Nancy and Caroline as the other two because he’s already named Sam….’them’ just means the ‘little trio’, is my understanding…

[Parmy]

Maybe the whole episode will clear it up.

He was really funny though, Sam that is. Not Zelah.

[Swan]

…I just re-watched the vid and I think/my understanding is that Zelah says that he’s finding it hard to trust Sam atm, ‘that little trio’…but he hadn’t said who the trio were so adds Nancy and Caroline as the other two because he’s already named Sam….’them’ just means the ‘little trio’, is my understanding…

I thought that too, that's how i took it anyway, But who knows, it's difficult to comprehend when referring to a single person as "them". It just seems like a very alien concept, maybe in a few years and using the "they/them" pronouns will become less confusing

[Shaun]

I'm sure there was a conversation in the first week where Sam said they don't really mind which pronouns are used but prefers 'they' as they're non-binary? I don't have the quote/clip, though.

[Ammi]

I'm sure there was a conversation in the first week where Sam said they don't really mind which pronouns are used but prefers 'they' as they're non-binary? I don't have the quote/clip, though.

…is this it, Shaun…?…

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[Shaun]

…is this it, Shaun…?…

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I remember that too yeah but I'm sure there was mention of the "they/them" pronouns very early on in the series too because I picked up on it and preferred to use it.

[Abra]

Marcus referred to Sam as "they" too. I guess it's just a personal choice since Sam has said any pronoun is fine

[bots]

when i was a lad calling people they/them was considered very impolite

[Crimson Dynamo]

The psychology is that it makes marginalised people feel important. Feeling important is a fundamental human need

[Mystic Mock]

In the sneak peak, talking about Sam Nancy and Caroline he says. Them, Nancy and Caroline.

Sam said he's not into all that nonsense on the first HL show.

Sam has a twin called Pam.

[Vicky.]

Will did it too

[OnTheRight]

Because we live in a twisted world.

[QueenAmy]

Marcus referred to Sam as "they" too. I guess it's just a personal choice since Sam has said any pronoun is fine

Yeah, Sam said this in the Secret Room!

But also, it's really not difficult to just be nice to somebody. If you go out of your way to disrespect somebody then it's very telling of the person you are

[Crimson Dynamo]

Because we live in a twisted world.

The social contagion has now been exposed and is dying.

Those who supported it will now face the consequences

[vesavius]

…is this it, Shaun…?…

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Not caring about pronouns is the new 'Bi' of the gay world.

I remember a time when bi people were looked down on by 'real' gays.

If you don't choose a hardline pronoun and then insist others obey it you are not 'real' and are just a 'people pleaser'... It's really extreme gatekeeping and pretty vile.

This conversation should have been called out more by self professed liberals at the time.

[Mystic Mock]

The social contagion has now been exposed and is dying.

Those who supported it will now face the consequences

But isn't that the other extreme?

[Cherie]

One of the gay guests on Late and Live was calling him She the other night even the gays are confused at this stage :laugh:

[vesavius]

But isn't that the other extreme?

agree

[Crimson Dynamo]

But isn't that the other extreme?
There is no extreme in truth

[Benjamin]

The social contagion has now been exposed and is dying.

Those who supported it will now face the consequences

What are these said consequences?

[vesavius]

One of the gay guests on Late and Live was calling him She the other night even the gays are confused at this stage :laugh:

A lot of the gay community are actually against all the modern version of it all.

I have several LGB friends that aggressively hate all the modern US imported woke crap and just want to get back to how it was in the 90s gay culture wise.

[Benjamin]

A lot of the gay community are actually against all the modern version of it all.

I have several LGB friends that aggressively hate all the modern US imported woke crap and just want to get back to how it was in the 90s gay culture wise.

Personally I don’t care for the labels etc (I try not to live my life defined by them). But it doesn’t bother me if somebody wants to use them, it literally doesn’t affect me whatsoever and I’m happy to use that label for them.

[vesavius]

Personally I don’t care for the labels etc (I try not to live my life defined by them). But it doesn’t bother me if somebody wants to use them, it literally doesn’t affect me whatsoever and I’m happy to use that label for them.

And this would be the fair way to live.

But, the gay community has always been.. extreme and actually really judgemental and cruel :joker:

I wish more were like you in this.

[OnTheRight]

There is no extreme in truth

Exactly. Which is why I do not understand why members get an infraction if they call Zelah a she! Facts are facts, truth is truth.

[Benjamin]

And this would be the fair way to live.

But, the gay community has always been.. extreme and actually really judgemental and cruel :joker:

I wish more were like you in this.

Oh, I can’t defend all from the community. Some are truly awful people and they tend to often be the most vocal ones (same as any community). :laugh:

Luckily they are also the minority.

[Benjamin]

Exactly. Which is why I do not understand why members get an infraction if they call Zelah a she! Facts are facts, truth is truth.

Why does it bother/affect you so much calling him a ‘he’? Genuinely I’d like to know.

[vesavius]

Oh, I can’t defend all from the community. Some are truly awful people and they tend to often be the most vocal ones (same as any community). :laugh:

Luckily they are also the minority.

agree

[OnTheRight]

Why does it bother/affect you so much calling him a ‘he’? Genuinely I’d like to know.

I like to deal in facts not BS. Why would it bother yourself or anyone else if I call someone a he or a she?

[Mystic Mock]

There is no extreme in truth

I don't think the lefties need to face consequences just because they hold a controversial/minority view.

Imo any Government that tried to enforce that would become the villain.

[OnTheRight]

I don't think the lefties need to face consequences just because they hold a controversial/minority view.

Imo any Government that tried to enforce that would become the villain.

Lefties have a Majority, we have a Lefty Government. :(

[Benjamin]

I like to deal in facts not BS. Why would it bother yourself or anyone else if I call someone a he or a she?

Well it clearly irks you Zelah being a he, yet it doesn’t affect you at all.

[Mystic Mock]

Lefties have a Majority, we have a Lefty Government. :(

Do Labour or Tories stand for anything other than being authoritarian and sadists towards the people?

[vesavius]

Why does it bother/affect you so much calling him a ‘he’? Genuinely I’d like to know.

I think, and not speaking for anyone else here, that some people are just biological realists and to insist that they must conform their language to betray that is, to them, offensive.

It's like, for them, being made to say the sky is red, when you an see it's blue. It's a betrayal of what they know to be true and being made to parrot falsehoods is unacceptable.

Why is it ok to offend one and group in the protection of not offending another?

If someone believes a biological man is a man and should be called 'he' then that's as valid as insisting otherwise. No one's rights trump the others in this.

Does that make sense?

[OnTheRight]

Well it clearly irks you Zelah being a he, yet it doesn’t affect you at all.

I can't really reply as, with the lack of freedom of speech on here, I'll get an infraction.
Apart from saying I do not believe or recognise that she is a he I'll bow out of this convo.

[OnTheRight]

Does that make sense?

Perfect sense.

[OnTheRight]

Do Labour or Tories stand for anything other than being authoritarian and sadists towards the people?

Nope. One is left the other (Tory) IMO are pretty much left of centre.

[vesavius]

Do Labour or Tories stand for anything other than being authoritarian and sadists towards the people?

Nah, both are the globalist captured authoritarian globalist NWO uniparty.

Which is why we are seeing the center of British politics collapse as that is rejected and Reform and now the Greens rise as the fight becomes more polarised.

[Mystic Mock]

Nope. One is left the other (Tory) IMO are pretty much left of centre.

I don't think that either of them are left tbh.

[Benjamin]

I think, and not speaking for anyone else here, that some people are just biological realists and to insist that they must conform their language to betray that is, to them, offensive.

It's like, for them, being made to say the sky is red, when you an see it's blue. It's a betrayal of what they know to be true and being made to parrot falsehoods is unacceptable.

Why is it ok to offend one and group in the protection of not offending another?

If someone believes a biological man is a man and should be called 'he' then that's as valid as insisting otherwise. No one's rights trump the others in this.

Does that make sense?

Oh it makes sense, I just don’t get why people get so irked by it all to the point they go out of their way to then be offensive.

Examples on this forum with Zelah when people purposely overuse the word ‘she’ several times in every sentence they write about him to be offensive. If you don’t want to write ‘he’, just use Zelah’s name instead.

That wasn’t aimed at On The Right btw, I can’t say I’ve personally noticed him do that.

[Benjamin]

I can't really reply as, with the lack of freedom of speech on here, I'll get an infraction.
Apart from saying I do not believe or recognise that she is a he I'll bow out of this convo.

Fair enough, I’m not trying to bait you into an infraction/ban and won’t push you on this subject for that reason.

[Mystic Mock]

Nah, both are the globalist captured authoritarian globalist NWO uniparty.

Which is why we are seeing the center of British politics collapse as that is rejected and Reform and now the Greens rise as the fight becomes more polarised.

I never thought that there would be a time where the Greens are popular with the mainstream public.:laugh:

[vesavius]

Oh it makes sense, I just don’t get why people get so irked by it all to the point they go out of their way to then be offensive.


I think they are just speaking in their true voice, not in an effort to be offense.

Others finding you offensive doesn't mean necessarily that you were trying to be. Speaking your won truth can indeed just be offensive to others, but that's on them not you.

In the end, no one can offend you, you can only choose to be offended, so I do think people need to control themselves on this all of this rather than reporting others for 'offensive' speech.

But, I do respect the forum rules on it whatever, which is why I use 'they' as a compromise. I don't mind really :)

[Barry.]

And this would be the fair way to live.

But, the gay community has always been.. extreme and actually really judgemental and cruel :joker:

I wish more were like you in this.

I agree. The gays always turn on gays that aren’t the standard pretty face or fat etc. Gays are so catty

[Benjamin]

I think they are just speaking in their true voice, not in an effort to be offense.

Others finding you offensive doesn't mean necessarily that you were trying to be. Speaking your won truth can indeed just be offensive to others, but that's on them not you.

In the end, no one can offend you, you can only choose to be offended, so I do think people need to control themselves on this all of this rather than reporting others for 'offensive' speech.

But, I do respect the forum rules on it whatever, which is why I use 'they' as a compromise. I don't mind really :)


Oh some on here went out of their way to emphasis it several times in their posts (hence why James put out that reminder).

The pronouns thing doesn’t phase me, what does phase me is the use of homophobic slurs when describing certain housemates (mainly Sam and Zelah). Seems to be quite prominent this season compared to others.

[vesavius]

I agree. The gays always turn on gays that aren’t the standard pretty face or fat etc. Gays are so catty

Sadly so. I have seen it forever (I was raised in a gay family in the 80s and have had LGB family/ extended family all of my life).

I love a lot about gay culture.. Not sure who knows the Royal Oak in London in the 80s, but that's the crowd I grew up with.. but it can be really ****in nasty :joker:

[vesavius]

Oh some on here went out of their way to emphasis it several times in their posts (hence why James put out that reminder).

In the end, it's not my forum so I will work according the the rules. I appreciate the work and time it takes to run a thing like this so not gonna kick off over it :)

Much respect to the admins and mods that make this happen

[OnTheRight]

Fair enough, I’m not trying to bait you into an infraction/ban and won’t push you on this subject for that reason.

Top man. :thumbs:

[OnTheRight]

I don't think that either of them are left tbh.

:laugh::laugh:

[OnTheRight]

That wasn’t aimed at On The Right btw, I can’t say I’ve personally noticed him do that.

I have purposely used the name Zelah apart from in this little discussion.




That wasn’t aimed at On The Right btw, I can’t say I’ve personally noticed him do that.
Appreciated.
BTW how do you know I'm a "HE"? :joker::joker:

[Benjamin]

I have purposely used the name Zelah apart from in this little discussion.


Appreciated.
BTW how do you know I'm a "HE"? :joker::joker:

Because we’ve spoken before in previous seasons :tongue:

[OnTheRight]

Because we’ve spoken before in previous seasons :tongue:

:lovedup:

[Mystic Mock]

:laugh::laugh:

It's true.:laugh:

Both parties are incredibly authoritarian and evil imo, but I think it would be disrespectful to call either party right or left.

Because my understanding of true right and left leaning Politics, is that both sides are well intentioned, something that Labour and the Tories haven't been in a long time.

And I suppose time will tell with Reform.

[Ammi]

I'm sure there was a conversation in the first week where Sam said they don't really mind which pronouns are used but prefers 'they' as they're non-binary? I don't have the quote/clip, though.

…is this it, Shaun…?…

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…just going back to this, I do vaguely recollect a conversation between Sam and farmer Cameron as well/Cameron was asking Sam about gay bars and the differences with a non gay bar…?…anyways, in that conversation, Sam touched on preferred pronouns use in terms of ‘intent’ in the use of for some…