Trumps Anger at Europe and the UK :Mass Migration and liberal leaders, sparking fury

[arista]

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Young men invaders are the big problem


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[Economic decline in Europe is
'eclipsed by the real and more stark prospect
of civilisational erasure', it warned.

In stark contrast, the strategy praised
the influence of 'patriotic European parties'
and said 'America encourages its political allies
in Europe to promote this revival of spirit'.

The US administration has cultivated ties
with the anti-immigration AfD party in Germany,
including a visit by a senior AfD lawmaker to
the White House in September.

Trump recently heaped praise on Hungary's
autocratic leader Orbán, calling him a 'great leader'.]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15363283/US-v-EU-Trump-gunning-Europes-woke-policies-mass-migration-liberal-leaders-sparking-fury-Brussels-fears-END-European-Union.html

[Livia]

He's not wrong...

[joeysteele]

Trump's anger !!!
Good grief.
The man's unhinged, it cannot be trusted what he says, because what he says one day, could not be what he even thinks the next day.
Stark raving bonkers.

[arista]

Trump's anger !!!
Good grief.
The man's unhinged, it cannot be trusted what he says, because what he says one day, could not be what he even thinks the next day.
Stark raving bonkers.

Come on Joey
He read about the Two Afghan Migrants
raping a British 15-year-old girl.

[OnTheRight]

Trump is spot on. Remigration Now!

[joeysteele]

Come on Joey
He read about the Two Afghan Migrants
raping a British 15-year-old girl.

All crimes are wrong arista it doesn't matter who or from where they come from who commits them.

However I'm not going to join in the eagerly looked for scapegoating outrage of SOME committing crimes.
Anyone committing rape and in fact any crimes is unacceptable, however it is not the case it's ONLY migrants who commit them, or probably even the bulk of crimes either.

I don't judge only from prejudice.
Unlike the deranged one currently leading the USA.

[bots]

Trump likes to stir things up. If it makes people think, i have no problem with it. Europe has stagnated for over 20 years, and there are good reasons for it

[Crimson Dynamo]

Donald speaking the truth as per

[Zizu]

Donald speaking the truth as per


He’s like a broken clock - correct twice a day

[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

Trump's just experiencing what all of us in the UK feel about Starmer tbh.:laugh:

And the same with the French people's feelings towards Macron.

He is highly questionable for calling Orbán a "great leader" though.

[Livia]

Trump's just experiencing what all of us in the UK feel about Starmer tbh.:laugh:

And the same with the French people's feelings towards Macron.

He is highly questionable for calling Orbán a "great leader" though.

Orban has all but stopped immigration. He has the best interests of the Hungarian people and their culture at heart and if nothing else, that alone, for me, makes him a great leader.

[arista]

President Trump also highlighted on that
new Politico interview
The 2 Afghans who raped a 15-year-old British girl.


Posting today's Front Page, again, as a reference
I posted that front page on the Mega Illegal boats thread

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[Mystic Mock]

Orban has all but stopped immigration. He has the best interests of the Hungarian people and their culture at heart and if nothing else, that alone, for me, makes him a great leader.

Imo there's more to a leader than just immigration.

[joeysteele]

Imo there's more to a leader than just immigration.

You're not yet a Reform supporter thankfully Mock.
Should you ever be however, you'll likely find that immigration,( often from some already held or acquired prejudice), is all that seems to matter to Reform and it's supporters.
I find that out now on a daily basis, much to my annoyance and total dismay.

[Maru]

We are all pissed off at politics atm, it's just different topics. Any politician could tap into that, not just Trump. It's a big wide list now that goes well beyond just immigration.

There comes a point people will have had enough based on whatever experiences they have to go by and will vote exactly however they think will make their vote most effective.

[Mystic Mock]

You're not yet a Reform supporter thankfully Mock.
Should you ever be however, you'll likely find that immigration,( often from some already held or acquired prejudice), is all that seems to matter to Reform and it's supporters.
I find that out now on a daily basis, much to my annoyance and total dismay.

I understand that Immigration is important to a point tbf.

But I don't understand how most people seem to be ignoring some truly dystopian policies going on around the world, all because of immigration?

I'm personally way more bothered by what Trump/the US wants from tourists entering his country than I ever will be by immigration.

People need to support their right to privacy more than they're currently doing.

[Mystic Mock]

We are all pissed off at politics atm, it's just different topics. Any politician could tap into that, not just Trump. It's a big wide list now that goes well beyond just immigration.

There comes a point people will have had enough based on whatever experiences they have to go by and will vote exactly however they think will make their vote most effective.

I just hope that we never hit a point where things escalate.

Because a lot of people seem to be more mentally fragile than they were pre-Covid, I honestly hope that nothing happens though and I'm just being incredibly morbid and paranoid.

[bots]

There is lots to be pessimistic about, if that's what people want to do. If everybody just calmed down a little, everything would be fine, but that doesn't fit the agenda of modern news today

[Livia]

Imo there's more to a leader than just immigration.

I agree, but it's an issue that's important to British people and has bee not just ignored by parties other than Reform, they've rubbed our noses in it. Refugees are more important than our own homeless, Islam is more important than any other religion... Women and girls -white women and girls, that is - are being assaulted and raped in great big bloody numbers. Any leader who promises to address the expensive (in more than just money) and culture-altering problem is bound to strike a chord, that's what Orban has done.. In this country some people don't like Reform but they don't have any answers themselves, nor are any of them coming up with solutions.

[Livia]

I understand that Immigration is important to a point tbf.

But I don't understand how most people seem to be ignoring some truly dystopian policies going on around the world, all because of immigration?

I'm personally way more bothered by what Trump/the US wants from tourists entering his country than I ever will be by immigration.

People need to support their right to privacy more than they're currently doing.

This is a thread about immigration, though...

[Mystic Mock]

This is a thread about immigration, though...

I know.

And my view is that some people are prioritising immigration over more important stuff which is their freedoms and privacy coming under attack by so called democratic countries.

[Mystic Mock]

There is lots to be pessimistic about, if that's what people want to do. If everybody just calmed down a little, everything would be fine, but that doesn't fit the agenda of modern news today

I would like to drown it all out BOTS.

But there are certain things that Trump and Starmer are doing that are borderline impossible to ignore, because they like to drag everyone into their awful policies.

[Mystic Mock]

I agree, but it's an issue that's important to British people and has bee not just ignored by parties other than Reform, they've rubbed our noses in it. Refugees are more important than our own homeless, Islam is more important than any other religion... Women and girls -white women and girls, that is - are being assaulted and raped in great big bloody numbers. Any leader who promises to address the expensive (in more than just money) and culture-altering problem is bound to strike a chord, that's what Orban has done.. In this country some people don't like Reform but they don't have any answers themselves, nor are any of them coming up with solutions.

I get that we've got a huge illegal immigration problem in this country, and I do agree with a lot of what you're saying.

But homeless people for example aren't being helped simply because a lot of our Politicians simply just don't care about homelessness in this country as it doesn't personally impact them. Immigration is apart of the problem to some extent don't get me wrong, but the bigger issue is that our Politicians are genuinely evil.

[Maru]

I know.

And my view is that some people are prioritising immigration over more important stuff which is their freedoms and privacy coming under attack by so called democratic countries.

Those issues are interconnected. If we have no border, we have no national security. But taking your point...

I think it is less it is the highest of personal or political priorities but that many feel both gaslit and largely ignored on the need for reform.

The political seas have shifted. Compared to when I first became an adult (early 00s) people are quick to point out bad signs and give also their reasoning. Being quiet didn't work so more and more people have become more outspoken and often give reasons. It can seem reactive, but it's a good thing I think.

There is a long history of the politician ignoring the public on specific issues. Immigration is one such issue.

Tackling immigration has always been waved around like bait for campaigns but conveniently ignored once elections are won. It was a core topic in Obama's 1st campaign, in particular, and he ran a fairly moderate campaign imo. So the desire to reform that system is well known across the divide so I don't see it being just an issue that certain segments fixate on, but rather, it has just become glaringly obvious that it's one politicians most avoid.

This is a decades long ongoing issue whereas many current issues or focal points are newer... so There is more information on this topic as it has a longer amount of time to deliver an impact.

[bots]

Immigration isn't an issue when the population feel that year-on-year, their lives are improving. The world's economies have stagnated for 20+ years now, so the people look for things to blame, and covid made that feeling much worse. So now governments and immigrants are the target. It's not really surprising as borders have been unchecked for decades and people can see the changes that have happened around them

[Mystic Mock]

Those issues are interconnected. If we have no border, we have no national security. But taking your point...

I think it is less it is the highest of personal or political priorities but that many feel both gaslit and largely ignored on the need for reform.

The political seas have shifted. Compared to when I first became an adult (early 00s) people are quick to point out bad signs and give also their reasoning. Being quiet didn't work so more and more people have become more outspoken and often give reasons. It can seem reactive, but it's a good thing I think.

There is a long history of the politician ignoring the public on specific issues. Immigration is one such issue.

Tackling immigration has always been waved around like bait for campaigns but conveniently ignored once elections are won. It was a core topic in Obama's 1st campaign, in particular, and he ran a fairly moderate campaign imo. So the desire to reform that system is well known across the divide so I don't see it being just an issue that certain segments fixate on, but rather, it has just become glaringly obvious that it's one politicians most avoid.

This is a decades long ongoing issue whereas many current issues or focal points are newer... so There is more information on this topic as it has a longer amount of time to deliver an impact.

You make some fair points.

I just wish that things like the Digital ID's and the trying to heavily police and stalk people on the Internet were the bigger talking points for people though.

Or the fact that the Police in the UK are growing a pattern of arresting people for non-crimes.

[Maru]

You make some fair points.

I just wish that things like the Digital ID's and the trying to heavily police and stalk people on the Internet were the bigger talking points for people though.

Or the fact that the Police in the UK are growing a pattern of arresting people for non-crimes.

The immigration issue is more directly related to these things than you think in many ways because mass *unchecked (important) immigration inevitably leads to largess in government. Just use "public safety" to push things like digital ID and to push for major increases in policing for "enforcement" reasons. It's not that immigration is inherently bad, it's that it's out of balance with our ability to integrate them responsibly.

We would not have Trump's policies and a public desire to see motions to crack down without preexisting government largess and irresponsible leadership. The irony here is the Public continue to trust the government to resolve issues it directly caused on purpose to support its own long-term growth...

[Zizu]

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To be fair he’s dead right about us being too soft ..

[Zizu]

Orban has all but stopped immigration. He has the best interests of the Hungarian people and their culture at heart and if nothing else, that alone, for me, makes him a great leader.


Sounds like a leader who puts his country and people before other countries and illegal immigrants ..

I think only Boris had similar ‘our country comes first’ leadership qualities since Margaret Thatcher

[Mystic Mock]

The immigration issue is more directly related to these things than you think in many ways because mass *unchecked (important) immigration inevitably leads to largess in government. Just use "public safety" to push things like digital ID and to push for major increases in policing for "enforcement" reasons. It's not that immigration is inherently bad, it's that it's out of balance with our ability to integrate them responsibly.

We would not have Trump's policies and a public desire to see motions to crack down without preexisting government largess and irresponsible leadership. The irony here is the Public continue to trust the government to resolve issues it directly caused on purpose to support its own long-term growth...

I do 100% agree with your last paragraph in particular.