The Government has Vowed to End trail hunts

[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

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[joeysteele]

Absolutely right.
This I do believe is used at times as a smokescreen to end up hunting and get around the original ban.

Despicable vile things on horseback getting pleasure of exhausting and torturing wild animals just trying to survive in their habitats.
I'm over the moon the government intends to end this loophole of barbaric thinking.

As a child, I was left traumatised seeing the result of an actual hunt which left me campaigning for and always supporting anti hunt organisations.
This is good news absolutely, although it will infuriate Nigel Farage who thinks this wrong to ban.
Plus that hunting wild animals with dogs etc; should be seen as just a British tradition.
Despicable thinking.
I still hope more will be done to enforce the original hunting ban too.

Plus I'd love to see more looked into as to animal abuse by some farmers and their staff of the animals in their charge until their already short lives are ended in slaughter houses.

Animal welfare is often sadly and wrongly bypassed.
I'm really glad the government is going on this road again now.

[bots]

it's unenforceable. The government can't even protect women and girls from rapists and killers, so how are they going to protect a fox

[joeysteele]

it's unenforceable. The government can't even protect women and girls from rapists and killers, so how are they going to protect a fox

It still should be made illegal though.
It's not unenforceable if people can report it once it's banned.

Hunt organisations can currently use trail hunting to get around the hunting ban.
If trail hunting is banned, then they can no longer legally claim that's all they're doing.
Because both hunting and trail hunting will be banned.

Animals cannot speak up for themselves, they need humans to do that.
Sadly nowhere near enough people do, or even care about animal welfare.

[Livia]

I'd stop all hunting "for fun". They have bird shoots around here and they're not fussy what they kill.

[arista]

it's unenforceable. The government can't even protect women and girls from rapists and killers, so how are they going to protect a fox

Yes,
could be a problem to enforce it.

[Crimson Dynamo]

*priorities

[arista]

Ch4 News
Just stated the Government will put forward the plan
from tomorrow

[joeysteele]

Ch4 News
Just stated the Government wants to start to cancel it
from tomorrow?

It's putting forward the plans to ban it tomorrow.
Not cancelling it from tomorrow.

How I wish that could be so, but it will need to go through parliament.
It is in my view, an extremely important issue and long overdue not to be addressed.

It will be really interesting and revealing too, as to who and what Parties oppose it being banned.

[arista]

Cheers Joey

[Crimson Dynamo]

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[MTVN]

Part of the animal welfare strategy that they are sneaking out while parliament is in recess and when everyone has stopped paying attention to politics. It won't make them any more popular with farmers and rural communities

[Livia]

I have no problem with professional game-keepers and rangers thinning the proverbial herd, but the gleeful slaughter of animals for fun is abhorrent. At a time when farmers need the public onside they should accept most people think killing animals because it amuses you needs to stop.

As part of this the government plans to end puppy farming. About time. I know a professional breeder and the council are all over him all the time, and he doesn't mind. If people want to breed their pet, unless they're registered breeders, no one should be able to charge more than £50 for a puppy. Too many people can make thousands from a batch of puppies without considering the welfare of the dog at all. It has to stop. People need to buy only from registered breeders or, better still rehome a dog through a charity.

[joeysteele]

Good that they are looking at the despicable practices in farming too.
I wasn't expecting that so welcome it 100%

This is a really good step forward IF it's put in place and SECURED too.

The people of the Country who couldn't give a damn about animal welfare won't agree but that says everything about them really.

[Oliver_W]

I hope the changes will include banning non-stun slaughter. No-one can reasonably pretend to support animal welfare, without wanting that banned too.

[arista]

No it will mean,
all those dogs that run on the trail hunts,
will be put down.

That to me is wrong

[arista]

Live on LBC now

20,000 dogs to die

[joeysteele]

I hope the changes will include banning non-stun slaughter. No-one can reasonably pretend to support animal welfare, without wanting that banned too.

I actually agree totally on that.

It is an equally despicable abuse of animals, no doubt on that.
There is the religious aspect to it though.
However yes, you are right, it certainly should be looked at, as to it's practice within the UK.

I myself abhor any and ALL abuse of animal life and welfare too.

[joeysteele]

No it will mean,
all those dogs that run on the trail hunts,
will be put down.

That to me is wrong

It wouldn't mean that at all, if the horrible creeps who breed or keep them for hunting really ever did care for the dogs in the first place.
Which they likely mostly don't care at all about them.

Once the current bred numbers had died out then, with no extra breeding of the dogs for hunting.
There'd be no need for putting any down whatsoever, no way.

Dogs should not be being bred to go hunting in the first place.
Hunting is banned across Great Britain.
Plus trail hunting is already banned in Scotland.

[arista]

[Dogs should not be being bred to go hunting in the first place.]

Of course Joey.

But No One
thought the stupid Labour Party would
want to ban trail hunting.

This will effect whole communities
that get paid

[joeysteele]

[Dogs should not be being bred to go hunting in the first place.]

Of course Joey.

But No One
thought the stupid Labour Party would
want to ban trail hunting.

This will effect whole communities
that get paid

Get paid for what??

To simulate using it as a smokescreen, or actually do chase to exhaustion , torturing and killing innocent animals as fun or for sport.

You may think that acceptable , I think it's disgusting just as I would if it was being done to another human.

Also what are you on about, it was clearly in the Labour election manifesto that they were going to set out to ban trail hunting, because it was being used as a smokescreen to do actual hunting.
It's likely that some farmers actually allow hunting on their land too, that should be looked into as well.
I canvassed in the election and talked to loads of people about ending trail hunting.
With very little opposition to the banning of it too.

I was over the moon that this was in the Labour manifesto.
I'll never support these creeps on horseback tormenting an animal in a long chase to its death.
You possibly do but I never would, I'd never want to be even just thought I would too.

It's detestable and barbaric thinking and it should be a firm crime to do so too.
So should breeding dogs only for hunting purposes be a crime too.
Disgraceful to support either trail hunting or hunting iny opinion.
It says everything about the people who do support it.
Sick evil.minds on a gross detestable action.

I may be a more lone voice on here as to this and animal welfare but thankfully I think decent people across the UK find hunting as abhorrent as I always have.

[arista]

Get paid for what?


Many Local Farms
many local land owners
and many local working craftsman.

All helping this Tradition in our Great Britain

[joeysteele]

Get paid for what?


Many Local Farms
many local land owners
and many local working craftsman.

All helping this Tradition in our Great Britain

Tradition you call it. ?????
I've no more to say to you.
Sorry.

[BBXX]

I think unless you are a vegan, you can't be against all types of hunting. Some of it is absolutely a necessity to maintaining an ecosystem and ensuring these animals live healthy lives. Most animals that are shot and hunting excellent lives.

I agree that having an animal chased and maimed isn't good but most hunting is a one-shot kill with the animal not even aware they're a target.

[BBXX]

I hope the changes will include banning non-stun slaughter. No-one can reasonably pretend to support animal welfare, without wanting that banned too.

About 90% of all Halal and meat is stunned so banning it would probably be more straightforward from that perspective. It's Kosher meat that is non-stunned and I just don't think it would be possible to ban it due to potential religious discrimination.

[Oliver_W]

There is the religious aspect to it though.

The argument against that would be, "why are British traditions less important than religious ones?"

Way I see it, animal rights either matter, or don't.

[MTVN]

Get paid for what?


Many Local Farms
many local land owners
and many local working craftsman.

All helping this Tradition in our Great Britain

Spot on, this government just don't care for our rural communities

[joeysteele]

The argument against that would be, "why are British traditions less important than religious ones?"

Way I see it, animal rights either matter, or don't.

I don't disagree with you at all on that.
There would be an almighty uproar no doubt but I'd certainly support the move.
It's a very fair point you've raised.

[Livia]

The argument against that would be, "why are British traditions less important than religious ones?"

Way I see it, animal rights either matter, or don't.

I agree. I don't eat kosher meat because I am an animal lover. I eat ethically reared, humanely slaughtered meat. I follow kosher rules other than that... In my mind, kosher and halal killing is archaic. But I think people would be shocked and appalled if they knew how much of the meat they eat in the UK is halal.

[Livia]

Good that they are looking at the despicable practices in farming too.
I wasn't expecting that so welcome it 100%

This is a really good step forward IF it's put in place and SECURED too.

The people of the Country who couldn't give a damn about animal welfare won't agree but that says everything about them really.

I am happy to see that you and I still share some common ground. Happy Christmas to you and yours, Joey.

[arista]

Spot on, this government just don't care for our rural communities

Sadly True

[MTVN]

I agree. I don't eat kosher meat because I am an animal lover. I eat ethically reared, humanely slaughtered meat. I follow kosher rules other than that... In my mind, kosher and halal killing is archaic. But I think people would be shocked and appalled if they knew how much of the meat they eat in the UK is halal.

A lot of imported meat is halal too which is an added complication if you want to ban it. Lots of non-Muslim countries produce a lot of halal meat because the export markets are lucrative and help meat processors make a profit (vast majority of New Zealand lamb and beef is halal for example). That's especially true given that we don't consume all cuts of the animal in this country so often it's only Islamic countries and communities where there is demand for some parts of the animal

[Crimson Dynamo]

Number of animals killed by non-stun slaughter last year—- 30,100,000

Number of reports of illegal fox hunting —- 397