(Green's have won)Thurs. 26 Feb : By Election :Labour MP Stands Down (Gorton/Denton)

[arista]

So Far :

Angeliki Stogia (Labour)


Matt Goodwin (Reform UK)


Charlotte Cadden (Conservative)


Jackie Pearcey (Liberal Democrats)


Hannah Spencer (Green Party)

Nick Buckly (Advance UK)

Sebastian Moore (Social Democratic Party)

Joseph O'Meachair (Rejoin EU Party)

Dan Clarke (Libertarian Party)






[Former Labour health minister Andrew Gwynne
is set to step down from parliament,
Sky News understands]


https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-64203df3-0c58-4058-80b8-2731ec9be987.jpeg


[The 51-year-old was sacked from the government
and had the Labour whip removed
over racist and sexist WhatsApp messages
in February last year.

In a group used by Manchester Labour politicians,
he mocked a constituent who complained
about bin collections in explicit language
and made offensive comments
about Dame Dianne Abbott.]


https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-starmer-labour-trump-lammy-vance-tankers-greenland-threats-nato-12593360

[bots]

they are saying this is the route back in for Burnham. We will see

[arista]

they are saying this is the route back in for Burnham. We will see


Yes or a New Reform MP

[arista]

Reported

[A by-election could be held on the same day
as the 2026 Local Elections on May 7,
sparking a potential leadership headache for the Prime Minister.]

I will put that date in the title, for now

[bots]

Burnham is pleading ignorance, so it must be the plan

[Livia]

Burnham is pleading ignorance, so it must be the plan

LOL... I was thinking the same.

[Oliver_W]

Even if Burnham is the Saint of Manchester, would a northern working class city vote for Labour, at the moment?

It probably would be a Reform win.

[bots]

Even if Burnham is the Saint of Manchester, would a northern working class city vote for Labour, at the moment?

It probably would be a Reform win.

it's a traditional safe labour seat. How that translates now, we will just have to wait and see

[joeysteele]

I personally think Andy Burnham would be ill advised to stand in this seat.

Although I'd love Andy to be in parliament.

However, not at this time, in the current political set up, there's now nothing like safe seats, particularly for the Conservative and Labour Parties

[bots]

I personally think Andy Burnham would be ill advised to stand in this seat.

Although I'd love Andy to be in parliament.

However, not at this time, in the current political set up, there's now nothing like safe seats, particularly for the Conservative and Labour Parties

Also, when politics is moving in a particular direction it is almost impossible to stop. So he may win the seat, win the leadership and still be out at the next election.

Also, the way the world is at the moment, who knows what people will be thinking in 2 year+ time

[arista]

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[arista]

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[Livia]

Rumour is Labour could use a BAME only shortlist. Talk about playing into Reform's hands who will be throwing everything and the kitchen sink at this election.

[bots]

the only thing we know about this election is that the tories will be last :laugh:

[Livia]

the only thing we know about this election is that the tories will be last :laugh:

Oooo lost deposit. Pleeease......

[arista]

Labour has now put a 5PM deadline
for Andy to enter.

As the Sneaky Buggers want the By Election
on Thursday 26 Feb.


Also Reports George Galloway
may enter?


Ref: Sky News Political old guy

[arista]

Also reported

The Green Party Leader Zac
may also run for this

[Oliver_W]

Wouldn't surprise me if Labour block Burnham from running by having an all woman/BAME shortlist, as if it's 2014 :laugh:

[bots]

it just makes Starmer look scared. It will increase pressure on him if they don't let him stand

[arista]

Labour's Clock is ticking 5PM
he must Decide

[AnnieK]

Andy will be taking a risk. Hes got a fairly cushty job in the Mayor role, most peopl3 like him (im not overly a fan). Most people are unhappy with Labour so he would be hoping his individual popularity would win it but it could easily swing to Reform.

Dont think now is the time

[Oliver_W]

Andy will be taking a risk. Hes got a fairly cushty job in the Mayor role, most peopl3 like him (im not overly a fan). Most people are unhappy with Labour so he would be hoping his individual popularity would win it but it could easily swing to Reform.

Dont think now is the time

He's probably the only non-Reform politician who's all-but guaranteed to win the seat. Certain the only Labour politician :laugh:

[arista]

Andy Burnham

has now applied to NEC

To run as a MP


But Could Reform Mayor?
take his job.

[bots]

if reform are smart, they will take the mayor of manchester role and win the by-election

[arista]

[Andy Burnham has formally put himself forward
to stand for parliament in the Manchester constituency
of Gorton and Denton in what could be the first
move in a campaign to replace Keir Starmer.

The Greater Manchester mayor has announced
that he has applied to be a candidate in the
upcoming byelection, having submitted an
application before the
deadline of 5pm on Saturday.

His application will have to be accepted by
Labour’s national executive committee (NEC)
but some of its members have predicted that
the party’s ruling body, which is dominated
by Starmer allies, will try to prevent Burnham’s
return to parliament.]


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jan/24/andy-burnham-applies-to-stand-for-labour-in-gorton-and-denton-byelection

[arista]

if reform are smart, they will take the mayor of manchester role and win the by-election


That would be a Shocker

[joeysteele]

There's a process that may not see him end up as the candidate for this by-election.
However I myself, have always hoped and wanted Andy Burnham as leader.
I voted for him as a member when he stood for it in 2015.

Hurdles to cross yet for him to even get to stand to be an MP again.
I do think he'd win this by-election.
However then more difficulties ahead to not only challenge Starmer but to also beat him.
If a leadership election was even likely probable.

However it's what I myself would love to see.
Because I've always strongly admired Andy.

[bots]

I think that constituency is more likely to want a labour leadership contest than a reform mp. Just my 2 cents

[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

[Home Secretary who is
in charge of the Committee
that can still block, Andy Burnham]

She is speaking to Trevor Phillips
on Sky News

[arista]

Sky News Text :
[Senior Labour officials have told The Times
they fear the party will come third behind
Reform UK and the Green Party
in the Gorton and Denton by-election.]



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[arista]

Sky News Text :
[Senior Labour officials have told The Times
they fear the party will come third behind
Reform UK and the Green Party
in the Gorton and Denton by-election.]



https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-6108173a-510b-41ce-a57b-d84a794ae6c7.png

[arista]

Reform UK has put
Presenter Matt Goodwin to run as an MP

[Reform UK have unveiled GB News presenter
and academic turned activist Matt Goodwin as their
candidate to stand in the Gorton and Denton by-election.

Speaking at a press conference, Goodwin
said he was "not part of the establishment"
or the "Westminster blob" and promised to
give people in the constituency "a voice" in
Parliament.

The by-election in the Greater Manchester
constituency was triggered by the
resignation of Andrew Gwynne,
who stepped down for health reasons.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gr06y3n9zo

[Liam-]

Christ, it really is a shallow pool isn’t it

[joeysteele]

I cannot stand that creep Goodwin.
Have never ever liked him.

Whether Labour, LibDems and Greens use their heads now to ensure he doesn't win is another thing though.

They need to at this moment in time, look to who IS the more likely to beat Reform and get behind that one candidate and Party.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I cannot stand that creep Goodwin.
Have never ever liked him.





I’m so happy Matt Goodwin will be standing. He will make a fantastic MP. He will bring an academic analytical style to questions in the House of Commons. Let’s do all we can to get him elected. 🇬🇧❤️

[Crimson Dynamo]

Sophy Ridge
sophyRidgeSky

I asked Liz Kendall about *that* video of @GoodwinMJ that Labour have put out



https://x.com/SophyRidgeSky/status/2016427386540003808?s=20

:shocked: wow, what else are they lying about

[Livia]

Liz Kendall... Another beige Labour liar.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Liz Kendall... Another beige Labour liar.

Liz Kendall - Labour’s Minister responsible for stamping out fake news and
disinformation in the media.

YCNMIU

[arista]

Sophy Ridge
sophyRidgeSky

I asked Liz Kendall about *that* video of @GoodwinMJ that Labour have put out



https://x.com/SophyRidgeSky/status/2016427386540003808?s=20

:shocked: wow, what else are they lying about


She does not know about the misleading clip?

Good on Sky News showing the problem with Labour

[Livia]

Liz Kendall - Labour’s Minister responsible for stamping out fake news and
disinformation in the media.

YCNMIU

It's true, YCN....

[Crimson Dynamo]

Matt Goodwin has an announcement

https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/2016511371630751857?s=20

[Parmy]

Oh dear.

[arista]

Labour pick Angeliki Stogia
for Gorton by-election

[The Manchester councillor was chosen to
represent the party after Greater Manchester mayor
Andy Burnham was denied permission to enter
the contest a week ago.

Earlier on Saturday, Burnham posted on X:
"Big congrats Angeliki! I know you will do a great job.
I will be there for you whenever you need me."] Ref:BBC

[arista]

List so far :

Angeliki Stogia (Labour)

Matt Goodwin (Reform UK)

Jackie Pearcey (Liberal Democrats)

Hannah Spencer (Green Party)

Sebastian Moore (Social Democratic Party)

[arista]

Green Party Leader (Zack Polanski)
is not standing in this Election,
He said he will stand in London
Whenever they have an election there.

He has spent 20 years in London.

Ref: BBC1 Laura interview

[Crimson Dynamo]

Let’s be honest about Greek lady Angeliki Stogia. No scandals. No drama. No fire. And that’s exactly the problem.

She’s the Labour Party’s safest possible choice. Long-serving councillor, low profile, surgically selected by the NEC after they blocked Andy Burnham. Stitch up politics, not democracy.

In a seat angry about crime, grooming failures, borders and decline, Labour offers… continuity. Silence. A council resume and hope nobody asks awkward questions.

This by-election isn’t about whether she’s a “nice person”. It’s about whether voters want more of the same blob thinking that created the mess.

Safe candidate. Safe message. Unsafe for Labour.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G__kBrFWUAAhzS3?format=jpg&name=small

[Crimson Dynamo]

This is the green goon candidate they have now put up pretending to be a plasterer

and going on about the mythical "far right" :rolleyes:

read the comments from actual tradespeople :joker:

https://x.com/NoWayWoke/status/2017882074384826627?s=20

[MTVN]

Advance UK are fielding a candidate which is getting Reform very nervous

[Crimson Dynamo]

I very much doubt they care

[MTVN]

I very much doubt they care

They're rattled all over X

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HAEZC2eXUAAKBkU?format=jpg&name=small

Lucy Powell MP
LucyMPowell
Delighted that Angeliki Stogia is Labour’s candidate for Gorton & Denton by-election.

She’s a strong Mancunian woman with Labour values & a record of delivery.

All our doorstep work is clear, only Labour can win against reform. Don’t risk voting for others.

[bots]

your vote counts LT? :laugh:

[Livia]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HAEZC2eXUAAKBkU?format=jpg&name=small

Lucy Powell MP
LucyMPowell
Delighted that Angeliki Stogia is Labour’s candidate for Gorton & Denton by-election.

She’s a strong Mancunian woman with Labour values & a record of delivery.

All our doorstep work is clear, only Labour can win against reform. Don’t risk voting for others.

You're Greek or your Mancunian. You can't ride two horses with only one arse.

[arista]

Angeliki Stogia (Labour)


Matt Goodwin (Reform UK)


Charlotte Cadden (Conservative)


Jackie Pearcey (Liberal Democrats)


Hannah Spencer (Green Party)
Nick Buckly (Advance UK)
Sebastian Moore (Social Democratic Party)

[arista]

Thats the main 7 Standing.

[arista]

2 others standing

Joseph O'Meachair (Rejoin EU Party)

Dan Clarke (Libertarian Party)

[Livia]

Sir Oink A-Lot is looking pretty good....

[arista]

Sir Oink A-Lot is looking pretty good....


Waste of time
Joke Fella is no good


This is a zone that needs help

[Crimson Dynamo]

Matt is the only serious contender; the rest are truly appalling

[arista]

Advance UK are fielding a candidate which is getting Reform very nervous

Advance UK
is Ben Habib


Kicked out of Reform UK



Advance UK is a Pathetic group

[MTVN]

2024837093029999096

[Livia]

Anyone who votes Green deserves everything they get. We went from Tory to Green both in Parliament and at the County Council and a bigger pair of ineffective, limp tossers it would be difficult to imagine without picturing Zack Polanski. I feel compelled to say, 'whose real name is David Paulden' like they always do with Tommy Robinson.

[Parmy]

Advance UK are fielding a candidate which is getting Reform very nervous

Don't underestimate Tommys power.:dance:

[Parmy]

I very much doubt they care

Get on advance pal...your leaders a dick.



Stick with the man who's stuck with us.


Ie TR.

[Parmy]

Advance UK
is Ben Habib


Kicked out of Reform UK



Advance UK is a Pathetic group


Ben in conversation..

https://youtu.be/gm81MT13gJg?si=qIzV_0no601Ig1h3


Not watched it yet myself

[arista]

Hannah Spencer - Green Party
Matt Goodwin - Reform UK
Angeliki Stogia - Labour Party
Jackie Pearcy - LibDems
Charlotte Cadden - Conservative

The Main Five

Also Standing:

Nick Buckley - Advance UK
Sebastian Moore - Social Democratic Party
Joseph O'Meacher - Rejoin EU
Hugo Wils - Communist League Election
Campaign


Peston ITV1 had the Greens in the Lead

[Oliver_W]

I hope Spencer doesn't win purely because Polanski is already an unbearably smug **** :joker:

But really, even said plumber heatpump saleswoman would be preferable to a Labour win, give Keir a pasting!!

[bots]

the more interesting perspective is that reform dont win. It shows people will vote anyone to avoid labour and reform :laugh:

[Oliver_W]

the more interesting perspective is that reform dont win. It shows people will vote anyone to avoid labour and reform :laugh:

Reform are almost certain to come second, IMO.

Tactical votes will boost Spencer, and the Muslim and/or weirdo contingent who only care about Palestine will be mobilised to vote when they might not usually bother.

[Crimson Dynamo]

This abominable by-election is a final warning for Britain’s democracy


Too much immigration allied with growing Left-wing extremism has become a toxic mix

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2026/02/25/TELEMMGLPICT000466335293_17720448457620_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqvP8GvfBFmamjEyn01M0cxWsiql1lpktJEX4-nLiz_Vk.jpeg?imwidth=500

We must not become a country where our race or religion determines how we
vote, where segregated communities live parallel lives and despise each
other, where our liberal elites, out of cowardice or suicidal empathy, pretend
not to notice. We cannot sleepwalk into becoming a Lebanon-on-Thames. This
is an emergency, a last warning, and we must act now.

We should start by calling out the Greens for what they have become: a
hateful, despicable, extremist party that has identified an entrepreneurial
opportunity in weaponising tribalism, division, stagnant living standards,
misinformation and envy. Their behaviour in Gorton and Denton has been
abominable.

Following a playbook pioneered by far-Left parties worldwide, the Greens,
now led by Zack Polanski, are targeting a red-green coalition of white, woke
“progressives” and the reactionary subset of the Muslim electorate

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/02/25/the-green-partys-evil-campaign-is-a-glimpse-of-how-britains/

[Livia]

So how does the courting of Muslim supporters sit with the Green's gay supporters? Considering even moderate Muslims think gays are sub-human, more worthless even than women? It's a bit of an enigma...

[arista]

2024837093029999096


Yes, even 6 days back
Greens had the lead

[arista]

This abominable by-election is a final warning for Britain’s democracy


Too much immigration allied with growing Left-wing extremism has become a toxic mix

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2026/02/25/TELEMMGLPICT000466335293_17720448457620_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqvP8GvfBFmamjEyn01M0cxWsiql1lpktJEX4-nLiz_Vk.jpeg?imwidth=500

We must not become a country where our race or religion determines how we
vote, where segregated communities live parallel lives and despise each
other, where our liberal elites, out of cowardice or suicidal empathy, pretend
not to notice. We cannot sleepwalk into becoming a Lebanon-on-Thames. This
is an emergency, a last warning, and we must act now.

We should start by calling out the Greens for what they have become: a
hateful, despicable, extremist party that has identified an entrepreneurial
opportunity in weaponising tribalism, division, stagnant living standards,
misinformation and envy. Their behaviour in Gorton and Denton has been
abominable.

Following a playbook pioneered by far-Left parties worldwide, the Greens,
now led by Zack Polanski, are targeting a red-green coalition of white, woke
“progressives” and the reactionary subset of the Muslim electorate

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/02/25/the-green-partys-evil-campaign-is-a-glimpse-of-how-britains/


[growing Left-wing extremism]

Yes, this is the real problem
with the Green Party

[arista]

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[Oliver_W]

I find it amusing one of the Greens' attack lines is that Hannah Spencer is local and Matt Godwin isn't, while Godwin actually lived there and delivered pizza, while Spencer grew up and lives in the posh (for Manchester) part of the city, and flogs heat pumps.

[Oliver_W]

You're Greek or your Mancunian.

You got it right the first time;) .

[Cherie]

2026981353279877564


Dale Winton is alive and well

[Cherie]

Was there not a leak from the inside the Green party this week saying they would give all Asylum seekers a house and a wage with no requirement to work :laugh:

[MTVN]

The Greens are odds on favourites at 8/15 to win the seat

[Oliver_W]

The Greens are odds on favourites at 8/15 to win the seat

Yeah I think it's basically a certainty.

[Livia]

You got it right the first time;) .

Oh gawd. I'm embarrassed lol...

[arista]

Voting all done now


The 3 at the top of the polls are

Greens / Reform UK / Labour

[Crimson Dynamo]

Voting all done now


The 3 at the top of the polls are

Greens / Reform UK / Labour

blimey i thought this was weeks away :laugh:

[bots]

it's apparently tight between the top 3 ...... i would laugh my head off if labour held it ..... it's the sort of crazy i expect in today's politics :laugh:

[Crimson Dynamo]

‘High levels’ of illegal "family" voting in Gorton and Denton by-election

:skull:

[arista]

So Far Greens are to Win


Labour could come 3rd

Sky News Live

[arista]

Sky News Live
thinks it is because of the Labour Home Secretary

[arista]

In some places possible
family voting is reported.


Official Result around 4PM

[arista]

Possible Future

To Stop Labour
Vote Green.

[arista]

Newspaper Reporter
been there all week,

Says
Labour is losing on the Left to the Green Party

And Labour is also losing on the Right to Reform UK

[arista]

Live Sky News speaking one-on-one
to their reporter at the count.

Deputy Leader of Labour Lucy Powell MP
Admits the Greens have done better.

First Past the Post.


She says the Greens have done better
at keeping reform out

[arista]

Lucy now on BBC News

Saying the same as what she said on SkyNews

But Down the Line

[arista]

So Far

Greens Win
Reform UK 2nd

Labour Party 3rd.

[arista]

Reporters are saying the Delay,
is Hannah is waiting for her Leader...........

[arista]

Zack Polanski has finally arrived

[arista]

Final Results (All Media)



Greens Win (14,980)

Reform UK 2nd (10,578)

Labour Party 3rd (9,364)

[arista]

Hannah Spencer the New Green MP
was a Plumber.

She said sorry to all her customers
as she is now going to Parliament.

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2026/02/27/04/106719253-0-image-a-3_1772166145161.jpg

[arista]

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2026/02/27/02/106717755-15597287-A_glum_looking_Labour_deputy_leader_Lucy_Powell_wa tches_on_as_vo-a-79_1772157820171.jpg
[A glum-looking Labour deputy leader Lucy Powell
is pictured watching on as votes are counted
in the Gorton and Denton by-election]

[arista]

Pathetic Labour came 3rd

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2026/02/27/04/106719079-15597287-Labour_s_defeated_candidate_Angeliki_Stogia_is_pic tured_arriving-m-2_1772166093912.jpg

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15597287/Huge-blow-Keir-Starmer-Greens-secure-historic-election-victory-Gorton-Denton-deliver-fresh-misery-embattled-PM.html

[Oliver_W]

I thought the results would be tighter than that, I was nearly certain it would be Green-Reform-Labour, but I didn't think Reform would be closer to Labour numberswise than Green.

[joeysteele]

This is what the centre, centre left and left need to do.
To more get behind who can beat Reform.

Labour were never going to win this even moreso after the Andy Burnham farce.

I don't like Polanski at all but far better a Green Party win than a Reform one.
Who knows, maybe the old order is going to change big time now.
With Labour thought to be more failing than not.
Plus Badenoch just making the Conservatives more and more irrelevant.

The vast majority of younger and new voters, well it appears they support mostly the Greens and then Labour.
Rejecting the hate fuelling scapegoating of Reform.
This result if it shows anything, as to one thing, shows how to stop Reform.
Ensuring voting for who can beat beat Reform.
I can get behind that definitely.

[bots]

By-elections are always a protest vote, all we know is that labour are currently out of favour. As to Burnham, i think it would have been an even bigger defeat if he had participated

[AnnieK]

By-elections are always a protest vote, all we know is that labour are currently out of favour. As to Burnham, i think it would have been an even bigger defeat if he had participated

Why do you think that?

Im not a Burnham fan by any means (i think hes a media *****) but he is pretty universally liked here

[MTVN]

Worst case scenario for Labour really as they're now haemorrhaging votes to both the Left and Right. I've never believed in electoral reform but it might be inevitable now that two party politics seems dead

As for family voting well yeah.. we all know what's going on there. Rich for Labour to complain though as they've always been a shoe-in in high proportion Islamic areas until now

[joeysteele]

Why do you think that?

Im not a Burnham fan by any means (i think hes a media *****) but he is pretty universally liked here

I agree.
I actually do like him a lot, I know you have reservations on him Annie.

I think he'd have much more than likely come through to win this.
I think preventing him standing only helped to lose this by-election.

The turnout too was quite high, 47% in relation to only 59% voting in the 2024 general election across the Nation.
That was rather high in a by- election really.
In fact it was under 49% in the general election in this seat.

Well done to the Greens, Labour voters did switch too,to help beat Reform.
However I'm smiling this morning because there's NOT another awful hate fuelling Reform MP going to parliament.
Reform must have thought Matt Goodwin would walk this.
I'm overjoyed he didn't.

[Parmy]

Oh the joys of Muslim sectarianism.

[Oliver_W]

Oh the joys of Muslim sectarianism.

That's probably what really won it - pandering to Palestine, having Spencer cover her hair and lick the floor in a mosque ...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Wow huge loss for Labour :shocked:

[arista]

The Greens now have 5 MP's

[Crimson Dynamo]

In this by-election campaign just ended, Labour proved unwilling or unable to expose the fragility and the contradictions that lie just waiting to be exploited within the Green coalition. How can a party, for example, that campaigned more energetically for Gaza than for Manchester, a party whose own deputy leader expressed support for Hamas terrorists when they murdered 1,200 Israelis in October 2023, still win a by-election in a city where, less than a decade ago, exactly the same brand of Islamist extremism that motivates Hamas took the lives of 22 people attending an Ariana Grande concert?

How can the Greens, with their blinkered obsession with gender ideology and contempt for the notion of women’s single-sex spaces nevertheless attract and retain the support of a Muslim community known to be socially conservative?

Did Labour even try to exploit such contradictions? Or were they too craven to even try?

The most damning verdict on Gorton and Denton is not that Labour became the victim of tactical voting or of attacks from both Right and Left flanks. It is that it not only lost one of its safest seats but deserved to. And trying to pin the blame on any of Keir Starmer’s junior colleagues in Government simply won’t wash.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/02/27/labour-richly-deserved-its-humiliating-third-place-position/

[Parmy]

In this by-election campaign just ended, Labour proved unwilling or unable to expose the fragility and the contradictions that lie just waiting to be exploited within the Green coalition. How can a party, for example, that campaigned more energetically for Gaza than for Manchester, a party whose own deputy leader expressed support for Hamas terrorists when they murdered 1,200 Israelis in October 2023, still win a by-election in a city where, less than a decade ago, exactly the same brand of Islamist extremism that motivates Hamas took the lives of 22 people attending an Ariana Grande concert?

How can the Greens, with their blinkered obsession with gender ideology and contempt for the notion of women’s single-sex spaces nevertheless attract and retain the support of a Muslim community known to be socially conservative?

Did Labour even try to exploit such contradictions? Or were they too craven to even try?

The most damning verdict on Gorton and Denton is not that Labour became the victim of tactical voting or of attacks from both Right and Left flanks. It is that it not only lost one of its safest seats but deserved to. And trying to pin the blame on any of Keir Starmer’s junior colleagues in Government simply won’t wash.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/02/27/labour-richly-deserved-its-humiliating-third-place-position/



The phrase, useful idiots springs to mind.

[bots]

But it's all nonsense because it was a by-election. The seat will go back to labour on a general

[joeysteele]

But it's all nonsense because it was a by-election. The seat will go back to labour on a general

That certainly used to be the case before but I do think the political map is changing.
However in the last election, the seats the Conservative Party lost didn't return to them in that election.

Plus the newer voters coming into play now.
The Greens are miles ahead as their preferred Party.
With Labour next but Reform way down in their liking.

Starmer has in the main lost this by-election for Labour in my view.
He just hasn't any real strengths as to delivery of his own thinking never mind as I o policies.
I did have major concerns that if people voted Green, that could divide opposing votes to Reform and let them in.
However voters felt this time the Greens were a better bet to stop Reform.
They were right.
I hope to see this more, where Labour, LibDems, Greens and possibly others, look at who would be best placed to beat Reform in any area or seat.
I'd support that.
If I'd lived in this constituency myself I would have struggled with who to vote for.
Had Burnham stood, no doubt I'd have voted for him.
However more than likely since he wasn't there, I would have voted Green on the day myself.
ONLY however in the hope of stopping a Reform win, that's how I'll be using my vote for the immediate future in any elections.

[Livia]

LOL... Who is voting for Zack's party of wackos? It's hilarious.... Amnesty for all illegal migrants, a salary for them without them having to work, like that's not going to attract them by the boatload. And people voted for them.

Labour shot themselves in the foot by not letting Burnham stand. Now they're sunk. How long till the general election? Not 3 years, I bet. Let's see how it goes when the country goes to the ballot box and the whole thing isn't decided by disgruntled lefties and Muslim collective family voting.

[bots]

LOL... Who is voting for Zack's party of wackos? It's hilarious.... Amnesty for all illegal migrants, a salary for them without them having to work, like that's not going to attract them by the boatload. And people voted for them.

Labour shot themselves in the foot by not letting Burnham stand. Now they're sunk. How long till the general election? Not 3 years, I bet. Let's see how it goes when the country goes to the ballot box and the whole thing isn't decided by disgruntled lefties and Muslim collective family voting.

thats my point. What this will do is put the greens policies under the microscope. People want change, but they certainly dont want the country taken over

[Livia]

thats my point. What this will do is put the greens policies under the microscope. People want change, but they certainly dont want the country taken over


I hope you're right, bots.

I have to say I was shocked at the Reform result. I'm sure they were never expecting to win this by election, but they beat Labour into second place and got over 10,000 votes. I'm quite amazed.

[bots]

I hope you're right, bots.

I have to say I was shocked at the Reform result. I'm sure they were never expecting to win this by election, but they beat Labour into second place and got over 10,000 votes. I'm quite amazed.

i think what was clear from this is that people were unhappy with labour, thats why i was saying burnham wouldnt have won either. Think back to the last GE and some good tory mp's lost their seats purely because people were fed up with the tories. Burnham needs to let all this take its course, you cant change the direction of the titanic. He would either fail winning this seat or fail further down the line

[Livia]

i think what was clear from this is that people were unhappy with labour, thats why i was saying burnham wouldnt have won either. Think back to the last GE and some good tory mp's lost their seats purely because people were fed up with the tories. Burnham needs to let all this take its course, you cant change the direction of the titanic. He would either fail winning this seat or fail further down the line

Bit in bold, quote of the week for me.

[Crimson Dynamo]

but they certainly dont want the country taken over weds

Manchester United hosts historic Ramadan Iftar at Old Trafford

Manchester United opened the doors of Old Trafford on Tuesday evening for a
historic Ramadan Iftar, blending faith, football, and community under the
floodlights of one of English football’s most iconic stadiums.

Organised by the Manchester United Muslim Supporters Club (MUMSC) in
partnership with the club, the event welcomed around 80 fans selected via
ballot, along with special guests, marking a significant step in the club’s
inclusivity efforts.

The 2026 Iftar was particularly historic: for the first time ever, the Adhan, the
Islamic call to prayer, echoed across the stands.

:skull:

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTAkh7qma4Qtb39LcmBQ_AOOdc0hyEMM xOd6w&s

[joeysteele]

With a virtually same turnout as was in the general election.

Labour down and the Greens up by almost equal percentages.

The Conservatives, ( the official opposition in Westminster), alongside the Lib Dems were just also rans.

Reform woukd have believed they had a great opportunity here, they were 2nd in the general election and put an extremely high profile candidate forward too.

Yet despite the split in the opposing votes to Reform, they couldn't and didn't capiltalise on that position gained in 2024.
They doubled their vote to over 10,000 but were well beaten despite the splitting of the opposing votes.
No Reform win makes me happier, it's always good to see hate fuelling divisiveness against other human beings not succeeding.

[Glenn.]

No Reform win makes me happier, it's always good to see hate fuelling divisiveness against other human beings not succeeding.

:clap2:

[bots]

i don't think the tory defections to reform are a net benefit to them from a voter perspective. The last tory government is still fresh in the minds of voters

[arista]

The Greens are odds on favourites at 8/15 to win the seat


Yes they Won.

[arista]

Anyway the LibDems
are the 3rd party

Then Reform UK

Then the Greens

[Crimson Dynamo]

A left-wing journalist pretending not to understand family voting because it
goes against his ideology.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HCKifC6W4AAGSnH?format=jpg&name=small

[bots]

Anyway the LibDems
are the 3rd party

Then Reform UK

Then the Greens

labour beat the lib dems, no? The lib dems are not relevant

[arista]

labour beat the lib dems, no? The lib dems are not relevant


Yes Of Course

But on this one, LibDems were not seen as much

[arista]

The Greens have only 5 MP's


LibDems have 72 MP's

[bots]

The Greens have only 5 MP's


LibDems have 72 MP's

reform have very few MP's too

[Glenn.]

Right wing party claim cheating because they lost

[arista]

reform have very few MP's too

Of course, more than the Greens

[Parmy]

Is doubling your vote percentage a loss?

[arista]

Labour have 404 MP's

Conservatives have 116 MP's

LibDems have 72 MP's

Reform UK have 8 MP's

Green Party have 5 MP's

[arista]

PM Starmer says it is disappointing

[joeysteele]

PM Starmer says it is disappointing

Understatement of the year up to now.
He has many more to come in just over 2 months too.

[arista]

Joey
Labour came 3rd

Reform UK came 2nd

[joeysteele]

Joey
Labour came 3rd

Reform UK came 2nd

Well that's obvious.
While being a terrible result indeed at this time.
That cannot be disputed, I myself thought it would be even worse.

Reform were 2nd too in the general election of 2024.

The really good thing for me was around 65% voted Green and Labour.
Only around 29% voted Reform.
For me, where my support is as to politics, that's a very satisfying breakdown of percentages of votes.

[The Slim Reaper]

Well that's obvious.
While being a terrible result indeed at this time.
That cannot be disputed, I myself thought it would be even worse.

Reform were 2nd too in the general election of 2024.

The really good thing for me was around 65% voted Green and Labour.
Only around 29% voted Reform.
For me, where my support is as to politics, that's a very satisfying breakdown of percentages of votes.

Why are you combining green and labour? They are not bedfellows or even remotely politically close. I've been highlighting what this faction of labour stands for, and how it acts, for the last 7 years. You can check out the thread on "centrism," where I point out exactly how this brand of liberal centrism always aquices to, and fertilises the ground for the harder right.

You should combine the lab and reform votes to give a clear picture of just how dire the situation in this country really is.



Labour and reform are trying to win the same voters. Labour and greens are diamterically opposed on evey big issue

[joeysteele]

Why are you combining green and labour? They are not bedfellows or even remotely politically close. I've been highlighting what this faction of labour stands for, and how it acts, for the last 7 years. You can check out the thread on "centrism," where I point out exactly how this brand of liberal centrism always aquices to, and fertilises the ground for the harder right.

You should combine the lab and reform votes to give a clear picture of just how dire the situation in this country really is.



Labour and reform are trying to win the same voters. Labour and greens are diamterically opposed on evey big issue

Sorry but I'm not going to waste much of my time on that statement at all.

It's actually much more than likely that many Labour voters went to the Greens in this by-election.

[The Slim Reaper]

Sorry but I'm not going to waste much of my time on that statement at all.

It's actually much more than likely that many Labour voters went to the Greens in this by-election.

You don't have to waste your time on it. Of course the green voters had to come from somewhere, that wasn't my point.

Without the greens being in the election, then the choice would have been reform, or reform lite. To pretend, or act oblivious to the fact that Starmer has gone from an avowed socialist to echoing Enoch Powel, is completely disingenuous.

It was leaked that the labour party would have preferred to lose to reform, because it gave them a mandate to continue on the same path. Labour spoke of shaking off the fleas when it came to the left, and now that hubris has guaranteed an even more authoritarian reform government to come.

Starmer is a despicable man, that has rolled out the red carpet for reform.

[Oliver_W]

You don't have to waste your time on it. Of course the green voters had to come from somewhere, that wasn't my point.

Without the greens being in the election, then the choice would have been reform, or reform lite. To pretend, or act oblivious to the fact that Starmer has gone from an avowed socialist to echoing Enoch Powel, is completely disingenuous.

It was leaked that the labour party would have preferred to lose to reform, because it gave them a mandate to continue on the same path. Labour spoke of shaking off the fleas when it came to the left, and now that hubris has guaranteed an even more authoritarian reform government to come.

Starmer is a despicable man, that has rolled out the red carpet for reform.

Is it only in regards to immigration that you think Labour is "Reform-Lite" ?

[The Slim Reaper]

Is it only in regards to immigration that you think Labour is "Reform-Lite" ?

No.

Authoritarianism
Gaza
Thralls to capital
Thralls to donors
LGBTQ+ issues
Public services

Just off the top of my head

[The Slim Reaper]

Is it only in regards to immigration that you think Labour is "Reform-Lite" ?

Can I ask you a question in return?

How have you gone from being all about the environment, to peddling misinformation in this thread about Goodwin and Spence, and their links to the constituency?

Don't mean to be accusatory, just genuinely interested how voters could go from green to reform.

[Crimson Dynamo]

So the foreign Urdu Green leaflets omitted trans and drug policy commitments..

who would have thunk it?

video of hypnotits getting exposed on Sky News here:https://x.com/MattCas04807118/status/2027414454585917482?s=20

[The Slim Reaper]

I heard that there's also no way Muslims could have possibly known the party leader is a gay Jew.

:laugh:

[MTVN]

You don't have to waste your time on it. Of course the green voters had to come from somewhere, that wasn't my point.

Without the greens being in the election, then the choice would have been reform, or reform lite. To pretend, or act oblivious to the fact that Starmer has gone from an avowed socialist to echoing Enoch Powel, is completely disingenuous.

It was leaked that the labour party would have preferred to lose to reform, because it gave them a mandate to continue on the same path. Labour spoke of shaking off the fleas when it came to the left, and now that hubris has guaranteed an even more authoritarian reform government to come.

Starmer is a despicable man, that has rolled out the red carpet for reform.

Yeah I do think it's true that Labour has spent so much time trying to appeal to the right that they lost sight of all the votes they could lose on the left. They thought they had won that battle already, and it did seem that they had tbh but Polanski does seem to have made a big impact. Where they go from here I don't know, it's a nightmare for their strategists. I know their main hope is that if the economy improves and cost of living eases then everything else becomes a marginal issue but I can't see that happening in the short-medium term

[Oliver_W]

Can I ask you a question in return?

How have you gone from being all about the environment, to peddling misinformation in this thread about Goodwin and Spence, and their links to the constituency?

Don't mean to be accusatory, just genuinely interested how voters could go from green to reform.

What actual misinformation have I peddled? I don't think anything I've said is actually inaccurate?

As for going from Green to Reform, I'm not either. I've never been Green for more than a couple of hours at a time, because
A) they're not actually green enough
B) I'm not on their same page as regards to things like foreign policy and borders.

By A) I mean they hardly ever talk about environmental issues, and when they do it's (imo) wrong :laugh: focusing on renewables over nuclear isn't very green, because nuclear has less of a carbon footprint in the creation and storage of energy, takes up less physical space when for comparable amounts of energy created, and doesn't involve the destruction and mass importing of the rainforests, i.e. Drax.

[The Slim Reaper]

Yeah I do think it's true that Labour has spent so much time trying to appeal to the right that they lost sight of all the votes they could lose on the left. They thought they had won that battle already, and it did seem that they had tbh but Polanski does seem to have made a big impact. Where they go from here I don't know, it's a nightmare for their strategists. I know their main hope is that if the economy improves and cost of living eases then everything else becomes a marginal issue but I can't see that happening in the short-medium term

Labour haven't even tried to hide it, either. Starmer said "if you don't like it, there's the door," and folks are starting to step through en masse. He gambled on the fact that the left would have nowhere to go, and he got away with it for a while, but now there is a choice. I think the greens and YP will work together where possible, so they don't contest against each other in winnable seats.

Polanksi is a really good communicator, and he's tough (talking about not backing down, not pretend hard). If he wasn't jewish, then the headlines this morning would have been about anti Semitism, rather than family voting, so I guess this will be the new lie that accompanies the left.

The fact that the right are turning into the biggest bunch of babies, who never lose elections anymore, only have them stolen, is both hilarious, and a warning.

Trump is trying to take control of the elections in the US, and farage will do the same here if he gets the chance, and this is the start of the campaign to be able to do that. I think I've got a pretty good track record when it comes to predictions, and the attempts to pretend every election can't be trusted, will only ramp up from here.

[The Slim Reaper]

What actual misinformation have I peddled? I don't think anything I've said is actually inaccurate?

As for going from Green to Reform, I'm not either. I've never been Green for more than a couple of hours at a time, because
A) they're not actually green enough
B) I'm not on their same page as regards to things like foreign policy and borders.

By A) I mean they hardly ever talk about environmental issues, and when they do it's (imo) wrong :laugh: focusing on renewables over nuclear isn't very green, because nuclear has less of a carbon footprint in the creation and storage of energy, takes up less physical space when for comparable amounts of energy created, and doesn't involve the destruction and mass importing of the rainforests, i.e. Drax.

Thanks for the reply.

I find it amusing one of the Greens' attack lines is that Hannah Spencer is local and Matt Godwin isn't, while Godwin actually lived there and delivered pizza, while Spencer grew up and lives in the posh (for Manchester) part of the city, and flogs heat pumps.

Goodwin is on video speaking about his true feelings about Manchester, and he was only there for 5 minutes as a student. Hannah is a plumber, not a heat pump salesperson, and she is a former resident of that constituency. SHe is absolutely not posh :laugh:

The reason I asked, was because that is pure GB news style misinformation.

I think you make a mistake when it comes to renewable versus nuclear. I know it's not popular to think of China as anything other than a threat to the way of life for everyone in the west, but if you look at what they are doing, and how they are advancing the tech, especially when it comes to the potential damage to the whole planet of nuclear, then I think you might be interested in seeing what is happening.

New technologies take time to improve, but we don't get those improvements without working on the tech, which China is definitely doing.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/05/china-green-energy-sector-investment-growth


They say the left is puritanical, and it definitely is, but you are even moreso :laugh:

[bots]

If they can get a bit of growth in the country in the next couple of years, voters will have a completely different outlook. Also, war has never been more likely in the last 50 years and that can change everything

[arista]

PM Starmer,
also said the voters were Extreme Left?


Hannah spoke better than a Labour MP

[The Slim Reaper]

They may well get growth in the country, but it will be growth for capital, because that's who they serve. Without a complete 180, labour will not materially improve the living conditions for every day folks, and at least until farage wins the general, it's still every day folks that decide elections, albeit with the help of billionaire owned, right wing media, that dominates this island.

[arista]

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[arista]

I would love some curry chips

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[arista]

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[arista]

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[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-35a5b6fa-68a8-45b6-8d8e-4c39912cabe7.png

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-8a21096a-32f3-4145-92e1-c3ef36143be7.png/

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-00ac09a6-a20a-4ff3-8602-39445b9aacfb.png

[arista]

On tonight's Any Questions Radio4
(2nd playing on Saturday PM)

Had old David Blunkett
He said he listened to Hannah's Speech on the Radio
and said that's what he said 20 years ago,

He thought she should be in Labour

[Cherie]

The Muslim vote concentrates on issues that affect their community they are not turkeys voting for Christmas...funny that Labour has been hoisted by its own petard

[Oliver_W]

I think you make a mistake when it comes to renewable versus nuclear. I know it's not popular to think of China as anything other than a threat to the way of life for everyone in the west, but if you look at what they are doing, and how they are advancing the tech, especially when it comes to the potential damage to the whole planet of nuclear, then I think you might be interested in seeing what is happening.

New technologies take time to improve, but we don't get those improvements without working on the tech, which China is definitely doing.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/feb/05/china-green-energy-sector-investment-growth
Hmm, I'm open to the idea that renewables could improve, but all that particular article proved was that it's a financially lucrative industry for China, and they and you can keep that capitalism ;)


They say the left is puritanical, and it definitely is, but you are even moreso :laugh:

Thank you.

[bots]

if china continues to innovate in the green space and america does nothing, then america will be left behind. Trump may have removed all green targets, but it won't change what american manufacturers do if they want to export goods outside of america. The world moves on, and if you don't compete, you will be left behind

[Crimson Dynamo]

Mahmood: Migrant curbs must go ahead


Home Secretary will urge Labour not to shift to the Left despite Greens’ by-election win

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/briefs/2026/02/27/TELEMMGLPICT000466693544_17722171720990_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqaO2kcPjofHr_C_389PsXONu8pcGfjE7FZDNRSxJdId g.jpeg?imwidth=500

Labour must push ahead with a crackdown on migration despite the Green
Party’s by-election victory, Shabana Mahmood will say next week.

The Home Secretary will use a major speech to warn that Labour’s future as
a political party is in jeopardy unless it introduces radical, Danish-style
reforms to restore public confidence in the “broken” asylum system.

She will argue that her migration plans are consistent with Labour values and
offer a “centrist” path to counter the “fairytale” of the Greens’ open borders
and the “nightmare” of Nigel Farage’s closed alternative.

Her reforms come amid demands from senior Labour figures, including
potential leadership contender Angela Rayner, to shift the party to the Left
after the Greens swept to victory in the formerly safe seat of Gorton and
Denton.

She said: “The levels of illegal migration are putting immense strain on our
country, and our public services – creating division within communities across
the country. Illegal migration is undermining the contract between
government and its citizens – eroding support for the asylum system entirely.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/02/27/migrant-curbs-must-go-ahead-despite-green-surge/

[arista]

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[Livia]

Farage is right. And it's going to happen more and more. People are blind if they can't see that.

[Crimson Dynamo]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HDnxZfpXUAEV-wu?format=jpg&name=small


Stats for Lefties 🍉🏳️*⚧️
@LeftieStats
·
2h
‼️EXIT POLL | How Gorton and Denton voted:

-- White --
➡️ Ref: 46%
🔴 Lab: 27%
🟢 Grn: 21%

-- Ethnic minority --
🟢 Grn: 69%
🔴 Lab: 24%
➡️ Ref: 5%

Poll:
@Survation
, 27 Feb-8 Mar

[Cherie]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HDnxZfpXUAEV-wu?format=jpg&name=small


Stats for Lefties 🍉🏳️*⚧️
@LeftieStats
·
2h
‼️EXIT POLL | How Gorton and Denton voted:

-- White --
➡️ Ref: 46%
🔴 Lab: 27%
🟢 Grn: 21%

-- Ethnic minority --
🟢 Grn: 69%
🔴 Lab: 24%
➡️ Ref: 5%

Poll:
@Survation
, 27 Feb-8 Mar

Its wholly acceptable if you are an ethnic minority to vote for issues that affect you, if you are not and vote for issues that affect you, you are deemed a racist...that is how it is now I am afraid

[bots]

the whole point of our voting system is that you don't know who voted for which candidate. So, this is at best just another poll ..... in other words, a guess.

Presenting something as fact that just isn't is not helpful

[The Slim Reaper]

2037552152416035186

[The Slim Reaper]

Its wholly acceptable if you are an ethnic minority to vote for issues that affect you, if you are not and vote for issues that affect you, you are deemed a racist...that is how it is now I am afraid

There is/was absolutely nothing in the green party campaign that wasn't based on benefitting the whole country. Maybe you didn't like that they were proud to support the trans and ethnic minority communities?

The historic voting problem this country has, is that voters continually vote against their own interests, based on either aspiration or hatred.


There is nothing racist about honkys voting for their own interests, however, if the one issue you're talking about is the sole reform policy of kicking out the darkies, then yes, that's racist.

Tf7wVpDEvho

She even talks to the same white working classes she belongs to, from around one minute in.

So yes, if you believe voting for racism, would make you a racist (using you in general, not specific), then yes, that is absolutely racist, and also a continuation of brothers and sisters voting against their own interests, which will continue to benefit the only group that wins everytime kindness is rejected at the ballot box - namely, billionaires and corporations.

[bots]

people vote for what floats their boat on the day of the voting. No reason is necessary, or it could be they like the sound of someones name, or the candidate appears at the top of the ballot. Everything is valid and doesnt need to make sense to anyone else

[Oliver_W]

2037552152416035186

The tl;dr is basically "we have eyewitness reports of people being followed into the voting booths, but can't prove it beyond that due to lack of CCTV."

AND "even if we could, the number witnessed was too small to make a difference, even if we did strike off their votes."

[The Slim Reaper]

The tl;dr is basically "we have eyewitness reports of people being followed into the voting booths, but can't prove it beyond that due to lack of CCTV."

AND "even if we could, the number witnessed was too small to make a difference, even if we did strike off their votes."

Shouldn't be using quotation marks for fantasy short stories, as it's completely disingenuous. It was dismissed, citing a lack of evidence, including following up with the people who made the complaint.

Not sure some people will accept any response other than "it was the muslims wot dunnit," but go off, king.

[Cherie]

There is/was absolutely nothing in the green party campaign that wasn't based on benefitting the whole country. Maybe you didn't like that they were proud to support the trans and ethnic minority communities?

The historic voting problem this country has, is that voters continually vote against their own interests, based on either aspiration or hatred.


There is nothing racist about honkys voting for their own interests, however, if the one issue you're talking about is the sole reform policy of kicking out the darkies, then yes, that's racist.

Tf7wVpDEvho

She even talks to the same white working classes she belongs to, from around one minute in.

So yes, if you believe voting for racism, would make you a racist (using you in general, not specific), then yes, that is absolutely racist, and also a continuation of brothers and sisters voting against their own interests, which will continue to benefit the only group that wins everytime kindness is rejected at the ballot box - namely, billionaires and corporations.

Mate I spoiled my vote in the last election and will be doing the same in the next unless there is some miracle turnaround, but go off King

I dont have a problem with trans per se, but there are alot of suspicious trans using it for their own ends and really impinging on womens rights but as a man I guess you really dont get that

I know you love to paint me as a racist and a transphobe and probably a homophobe and every other phobia, the fun part is I could care less, you do you which is basically profiling people who dont align with your views, how progressive

[Livia]

The Far Left, because, let's face it, that's what the Greens are now, won't tolerate any kind of racism. Except anti-Semitism. They're very much in favour of it, in fact. Zack Polanski has been disowned by his own (Jewish) family over anti-Semitism in his party. Let them say what they want, let's all see who they are really...


Shocking antisemitic comments have surfaced in leaked WhatsApp messages from a pro-Palestine faction inside the Green Party, prompting fresh accusations of deep-rooted hatred within the party. Activists in the group Greens for Palestine described Jewish people as “an abomination to this planet” and accused them of murdering, bombing and starving children.

One participant insisted on openly identifying protesters in Golders Green as Jews rather than Zionists, declaring: “They were Jews and we shouldn’t be afraid to say it. They were Jewish supremacists.” The exchange escalated with the claim: “Enough of being scared of hurting their feelings while they murder, bomb and starve children.”

Another member added: “They are an abomination to this planet,” while a further comment called for activists to “take back the narrative and the true meaning of the terms, particularly zionism and semite.”

Separately, one activist linked to the group suggested the arson attack on four Hatzolah ambulances belonging to a Jewish charity in Golders Green was a “false flag” operation, potentially staged by Jewish people themselves.

The individual shared news coverage of the incident and noted: “I saw somebody recently say that false flags were coming.”

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/2187749/green-party-activists-branded-jews-abomination
Daily Express, but the same article appears in a range of news sources.

[Parmy]

The greens and the far left that they have incorporated under the banner of hope not hate are the vilest of people, massive hate filled hypocrites of anyth7ng not aligned with their thinking. Your either one of them, or you're a Nazi, racist, fascist or some other word half of them have no idea of the true meaning. Had they, they would realise they should be shouting at themselves.

To many old drippy 1990s hippies brains riddled with the effects of to much ecstasy.

[The Slim Reaper]

Mate I spoiled my vote in the last election and will be doing the same in the next unless there is some miracle turnaround, but go off King

I dont have a problem with trans per se, but there are alot of suspicious trans using it for their own ends and really impinging on womens rights but as a man I guess you really dont get that

I know you love to paint me as a racist and a transphobe and probably a homophobe and every other phobia, the fun part is I could care less, you do you which is basically profiling people who dont align with your views, how progressive

I think you misunderstand quite a bit of my post, here.

I didn't say you were a reform voter.

Its wholly acceptable if you are an ethnic minority to vote for issues that affect you, if you are not and vote for issues that affect you, you are deemed a racist...that is how it is now I am afraid.


This very clearly uses a racist trope about PoC having special privilege, or get away with things that white people would never allowed to, which is just plainly false, and also not the only time you've ever used that same trope.

My post merely pointed out, that the greens ran a campaign to appeal to all sectors of the local community. Labours own post election report, showed that greens beat them with white working class voters.
:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/24/labour-party-lost-white-working-class-voters-greens-gorton-and-denton-analysis

So the only implication here, is that issues that affect white people* are very different to issues that affect non-whites, and that only leaves one area being hinted at.

I don't think you're a full, across the board, racist. I think you have some blind spots, but racism is still racism, and I'm not on the forum posting your posts for you, you write them yourself. I don't really post on this forum at all these days. I'll post the occasional post in threads about the greens moving forward, and maybe, even less frequently in one of the war threads, so the only reason I replied, was because it was in this thread.

As for trans people, even writing what you posted in this thread is along the same hints and innuendo trope, but that's by the by - you do you.

However, one thing that I stated years ago, and have been consistent about, is that the same far right billionaire class that bombarded that debate into the public sphere, will come for women, and it's now starting to happen a little more openly.

The trad wife movement is just percolating nicely in the US, women's rights continue to be eroded, and this is the next phase. The incoming AI wave, will decimate work opportunities, so with the reduction of available jobs, and them being geared more towards labour, rather than offices, who do you think will get the majority of those jobs, as one job per household becomes the norm, we know which sex will be chained to the kitchen like it's 1950 all over again.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/24/reform-danny-kruger-uk-totally-unregulated-sexual-economy#:~:text=Asked%20what%20role%20a%20politica l%20party%20could,limited%20but%20important%20one. %E2%80%9D%20He%20said%20policy

Reform’s Danny Kruger criticises UK’s ‘totally unregulated sexual economy’
This article is more than 1 month old
Former Conservative laments divorce changes and says Reform UK will pursue policies to boost birthrate

In a party, that is most likely to win the next GE, this is what they feel comfortable talking about openly. Richard Tice has said he wants to end the sexual revolution, which introduced birth control, and the ability for women to finally chose how they wanted to live their lives.

Talk about actually being hoisted by your own petard...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Greens’ ‘Zionism is racism’ vote descends into chaos

Members of Zack Polanski’s (aka David Paulson) party fail to make decision on
proposal classifying Jewish self-determination

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/politics/2026/03/28/TELEMMGLPICT000475909779_17747126108410_trans_NvBQ zQNjv4BqpVlberWd9EgFPZtcLiMQf0Rf_Wk3V23H2268P_XkPx c.jpeg?imwidth=500

Voting on the controversial “Zionism is Racism” motion has been delayed after
the Green Party spring conference descended into chaos.

Technical failures, a row over misgendering, and six votes of no confidence in
the party officials chairing the online event caused significant delays to the
conference, leaving dozens of motions undebated and not subject to voting.

It also called for the abolition of the state of Israel

The Greens are surging in popularity at present at a time when anti-Semitism
in Britain on the rise. Earlier this month, four charity-owned ambulances
were set on fire in north London in a suspected anti-Semitic attack.

Earlier in the week, The Telegraph revealed that party activists had
described Jewish people as “an abomination to this planet” :umm2:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/03/28/greens-to-vote-on-zionism-is-racism-motion-polanski/

[Parmy]

Skip to 25 minutes to see 2 neighbours collide. 1 is protesting outside a reform party meeting attended by Nigel farage. She spot a her neighbour going into the event and has a face to face with him.

An interesting and telling conversation between two "former" friends.


25 minutes in. Conversation lasts about 4

https://youtu.be/y3aosms5jYA?si=RRz9CbeArYTZ0E9X

[Parmy]

The greens and the far left that they have incorporated under the banner of hope not hate are the vilest of people, massive hate filled hypocrites of anyth7ng not aligned with their thinking. Your either one of them, or you're a Nazi, racist, fascist or some other word half of them have no idea of the true meaning. Had they, they would realise they should be shouting at themselves.

To many old drippy 1990s hippies brains riddled with the effects of to much ecstasy.




https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1DjkpCBKyN/

[Livia]

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1DjkpCBKyN/

What t f do these people bring to the party, exactly?

[Livia]

Skip to 25 minutes to see 2 neighbours collide. 1 is protesting outside a reform party meeting attended by Nigel farage. She spot a her neighbour going into the event and has a face to face with him.

An interesting and telling conversation between two "former" friends.


25 minutes in. Conversation lasts about 4

https://youtu.be/y3aosms5jYA?si=RRz9CbeArYTZ0E9X

The left has always turned up to Tory meetings, and now to Reform meetings, to call people names. The woman bawling out her neighbour should wind her neck in, her message seemed to be "you're okay with me being here so you should be okay with every illegal, undocumented fighting age male who wants to come!" and she wouldn't let him speak. She's ridiculous. Reform has been demonised by hysterical lefties for a while now. They turn up, call people names, imagine they have all the answers. The noisiest ones should try putting all that energy into a job so they can pay a bit of tax, keep their brothers and sisters in blue hair dye and Rizlas.

[Cherie]

I think you misunderstand quite a bit of my post, here.

I didn't say you were a reform voter.




This very clearly uses a racist trope about PoC having special privilege, or get away with things that white people would never allowed to, which is just plainly false, and also not the only time you've ever used that same trope.

My post merely pointed out, that the greens ran a campaign to appeal to all sectors of the local community. Labours own post election report, showed that greens beat them with white working class voters.
:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/mar/24/labour-party-lost-white-working-class-voters-greens-gorton-and-denton-analysis

So the only implication here, is that issues that affect white people are very different to issues that affect non-whites, and that only leaves one area being hinted at.

I don't think you're a full, across the board, racist. I think you have some blind spots, but racism is still racism, and I'm not on the forum posting your posts for you, you write them yourself. I don't really post on this forum at all these days. I'll post the occasional post in threads about the greens moving forward, and maybe, even less frequently in one of the war threads, so the only reason I replied, was because it was in this thread.

As for trans people, even writing what you posted in this thread is along the same hints and innuendo trope, but that's by the by - you do you.

However, one thing that I stated years ago, and have been consistent about, is that the same far right billionaire class that bombarded that debate into the public sphere, will come for women, and it's now starting to happen a little more openly.

The trad wife movement is just percolating nicely in the US, women's rights continue to be eroded, and this is the next phase. The incoming AI wave, will decimate work opportunities, so with the reduction of available jobs, and them being geared more towards labour, rather than offices, who do you think will get the majority of those jobs, as one job per household becomes the norm, we know which sex will be chained to the kitchen like it's 1950 all over again.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/feb/24/reform-danny-kruger-uk-totally-unregulated-sexual-economy#:~:text=Asked%20what%20role%20a%20politica l%20party%20could,limited%20but%20important%20one. %E2%80%9D%20He%20said%20policy

Reform’s Danny Kruger criticises UK’s ‘totally unregulated sexual economy’
This article is more than 1 month old
Former Conservative laments divorce changes and says Reform UK will pursue policies to boost birthrate

In a party, that is most likely to win the next GE, this is what they feel comfortable talking about openly. Richard Tice has said he wants to end the sexual revolution, which introduced birth control, and the ability for women to finally chose how they wanted to live their lives.

Talk about actually being hoisted by your own petard...

Isn't it great for you that you only need to concern yourself with SOME womens rights

[Parmy]

The left has always turned up to Tory meetings, and now to Reform meetings, to call people names. The woman bawling out her neighbour should wind her neck in, her message seemed to be "you're okay with me being here so you should be okay with every illegal, undocumented fighting age male who wants to come!" and she wouldn't let him speak. She's ridiculous. Reform has been demonised by hysterical lefties for a while now. They turn up, call people names, imagine they have all the answers. The noisiest ones should try putting all that energy into a job so they can pay a bit of tax, keep their brothers and sisters in blue hair dye and Rizlas.

She is certainly ridiculous. Going on about all the good times, the chats, the street parties they shared ignoring the fact it disproves the racist jibe...imagine Anne Frank if she had neighbours like that.

[The Slim Reaper]

Isn't it great for you that you only need to concern yourself with SOME womens rights

Pretty fundamental ones as it happens. Also, actually real ones. No one on this forum has been a victim of the kind of things trans panic tries to scare folks into believing, but the right to choose how you can leave a marriage? Being chained to the kitchen? abortion healthcare?

Yeah, your rights are really about to be trampled for real, and you're still worried about make-believe issues.

As an individual, your priorities are your priorities, I have no issue with that at all, but think of this post in a few years, when everyone tries to pretend they had no idea, and could not have possible known what was coming.

[Cherie]

Pretty fundamental ones as it happens. Also, actually real ones. No one on this forum has been a victim of the kind of things trans panic tries to scare folks into believing, but the right to choose how you can leave a marriage? Being chained to the kitchen? abortion healthcare?

Yeah, your rights are really about to be trampled for real, and you're still worried about make-believe issues.

As an individual, your priorities are your priorities, I have no issue with that at all, but think of this post in a few years, when everyone tries to pretend they had no idea, and could not have possible known what was coming.

I am concerned about all women's rights infringements, you don't give a flying fig about women just own it, women can be concerned about two things at the same time, I don't think the Far Right are on the rise due to trans issues that's a very minor part of their brief but you know that and as for people on the forum not having to deal with any issues, you care about things you have never had to deal with like racism so not sure what point you are trying to make there, I have never had an abortion either but I care about women being able to choose for example

[Crimson Dynamo]

It’s happening…the Greens are going to have to choose between LGBT and the hardline Muslim vote

The Lawyer Akhmed Yakoob calls out the greens calling the vile display in Traflagar Square

DEGENERACY


https://x.com/Akhmedyakoob1/status/2038680909180784810?s=20

[The Slim Reaper]

I am concerned about all women's rights infringements, you don't give a flying fig about women just own it, women can be concerned about two things at the same time, I don't think the Far Right are on the rise due to trans issues that's a very minor part of their brief but you know that and as for people on the forum not having to deal with any issues, you care about things you have never had to deal with like racism so not sure what point you are trying to make there, I have never had an abortion either but I care about women being able to choose for example

You see, that assertion isn't based in reality. You have openly misogynist men on this forum, who because they also hate trans people, they're seen as caring about women, which doesn't make sense to me.

Caring about women (and everyone in society also), is not about pandering to every whim, or playing on the real and necessary fears women have always needed to stay alert to.


I've read feminist academia and it isn't as myopic as only women understand women, only black people understand racism. The literature opines that any system that oppresses any group, oppresses all, so you even have feminism needing to protect men (which blew my mind when I first understood it), because of the understanding that patriarchy is detrimental to men, and everyone who lives under it, not just women, so this to attempt to limit feminism to just be a shield to hide bigotry behind, does a complete disservice to the feminist movement as a whole.

It seems that though this anti-trans stuff (in general, not talking about you), seems to want to completely narrow down and limit what women are, and what they should want and feel, when the goals of feminism are way loftier.

[Crimson Dynamo]

A female British Army vet writes:

There is not a single MP in this country that I would ever wish harm on. I may
disagree with them or find their politics abhorrent, but intimidation has no place
in a democracy. What we are now seeing from this, The Green Party
candidate turning up at an MP’s office in an intimidating manner towards her
and her staff, is completely unacceptable. We have already seen where this
road leads with the murders of Jo Cox and David Amess, two MPs with different
politics but the same tragic outcome, and it should have been a line that is
never crossed again. This behaviour fuels that same dangerous environment
and it must stop, and the Green Party should act immediately and stand this
individual down.

appauling video is here: https://x.com/claire_adams694/status/2038972810307961050?s=20

[Parmy]

A female British Army vet writes:

There is not a single MP in this country that I would ever wish harm on. I may
disagree with them or find their politics abhorrent, but intimidation has no place
in a democracy. What we are now seeing from this, The Green Party
candidate turning up at an MP’s office in an intimidating manner towards her
and her staff, is completely unacceptable. We have already seen where this
road leads with the murders of Jo Cox and David Amess, two MPs with different
politics but the same tragic outcome, and it should have been a line that is
never crossed again. This behaviour fuels that same dangerous environment
and it must stop, and the Green Party should act immediately and stand this
individual down.

appauling video is here: https://x.com/claire_adams694/status/2038972810307961050?s=20

The greens described one man asking Hannah Spencer if a woman could have a penis in front of her supporters, as an assault, she was described as being harassed, assaulted, accosted..One of their fellow far left groups male leaders, hope not hate I thnk it was, even punched a lesbian in the face for nothing, on international women's day. As a council worker of some sorts he was suspended by the local council...did they condemn his actions? NO, they started a petition to have him reinstated.

[The Slim Reaper]

The greens described one man asking Hannah Spencer if a woman could have a penis in front of her supporters, as an assault, she was described as being harassed, assaulted, accosted..One of their fellow far left groups male leaders, hope not hate I thnk it was, even punched a lesbian in the face for nothing, on international women's day. As a council worker of some sorts he was suspended by the local council...did they condemn his actions? NO, they started a petition to have him reinstated.

I've heard they also ate babies, and held a "see how far you can kick a puppy" competition.

[Parmy]

I've heard they also ate babies, and held a "see how far you can kick a puppy" competition.

Proof please...got a link?