Ian Huntley has been seriously injured in Prison (Now Dead)

[arista]

Bound to happen.


[Soham double murderer Ian Huntley has been
seriously injured in an assault at HMP Frankland
in County Durham, the BBC understands.

Huntley is currently serving a life sentence
after he was convicted of murdering
schoolgirls Holly Wells and Jessica Chapman
in August 2002.
Although the Prison Service did not confirm the
identity of the injured prisoner,
it confirmed an inmate is receiving treatment.

"It would be inappropriate to commen
t further while police investigate,"
a Prison Service spokesperson added.
It is understood the attack on Huntley happened
in a prison workshop just before 09:30 GMT.

An air ambulance was dispatched to
HMP Frankland, but the
North East Ambulance Service spokesperson
said the injured inmate was
taken to hospital by road.
Durham Constabulary confirmed a
police investigation is under way and
that detectives are liaising with
staff at the prison.

"Police were alerted to an assault which
had taken place within HMP Frankland in Durham
this morning," a Durham police spokesman said.]


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1mjx1grj3yo

[Livia]

Extra pudding at dinner for his attacker, please.

[bots]

it was a terrible event at the time, i remember it well. Hope he recovers enough to have a life full of pain and misery

[arista]

Found on the floor in blood
in a prison workshop
Smashed on his head

Now taken to the Hospital


Sky News Live


Ch5 News Live

[Vicky.]

What a shame..

[Crimson Dynamo]

LAGS LAGS LAGS

[rusticgal]

Battered with an iron bar with nails in it I think….they don’t think he is going to survive….shame.

[Zizu]

Battered with an iron bar with nails in it I think….they don’t think he is going to survive….shame.


Oh dear, how sad , never mind !

It’s a sobering thought that the victim could have been a warder ..

How on earth are prisoners able to get hold of an iron bar let alone one with nails in it

[Livia]

Battered with an iron bar with nails in it I think….they don’t think he is going to survive….shame.

I was hoping it was nothing trivial...

[Glenn.]

it was a terrible event at the time, i remember it well. Hope he recovers enough to have a life full of pain and misery

I was about to say the same thing. Would be a shame for him to die. Needs a few more years of torment.

[Benjamin]

I had to go and remind myself who he was and now wish I hadn’t. I remember all that and was awful.

[Ninastar]

Oh nooo, what a nightmare

[Mystic Mock]

I wasn't expecting to read such great news.:dance:

[GoldHeart]

I had to go and remind myself who he was and now wish I hadn’t. I remember all that and was awful.

I've never forgotten who he was , there's just certain evil that sticks with us .

It's like the Myra Hindly's & Ian Brady's of the world ! .

[Livia]

Last year this piece of sub-human crap whined he was being picked in because guards confiscated a Manchester United shirt he'd fashioned for himself. The little girls he murdered were wearing Beckham Man U shirts with a 7 on the back. Huntley's had a 10 on the back referring to the ages of his victims. Hope he's suffering...

[Niamh.]

Last year this piece of sub-human crap whined he was being picked in because guards confiscated a Manchester United shirt he'd fashioned for himself. The little girls he murdered were wearing Beckham Man U shirts with a 7 on the back. Huntley's had a 10 on the back referring to the ages of his victims. Hope he's suffering...Thats absolutly sickening, jesus

[Livia]

Thats absolutly sickening, jesus

Isn't it... They're not allowed football shirts in prison, he went to the trouble of doing this deliberately.

[rusticgal]

Last year this piece of sub-human crap whined he was being picked in because guards confiscated a Manchester United shirt he'd fashioned for himself. The little girls he murdered were wearing Beckham Man U shirts with a 7 on the back. Huntley's had a 10 on the back referring to the ages of his victims. Hope he's suffering...


That is really sick....how was this allowed?

[Benjamin]

That is really sick....how was this allowed?

I’m guessing it wasn’t, hence the guards confiscating it.

[bots]

He was hit 6 times over the head with an iron bar, i don't see him surviving

[Parmy]

https://youtu.be/2BJ3xd00vGc?si=zlYtGXU4YItqzppq

[OnTheRight]

He was hit 6 times over the head with an iron bar, i don't see him surviving

Hopefully he doesn't and hopefully it's slow and painful.

[arista]

He was hit 6 times over the head with an iron bar, i don't see him surviving



Could be.

[Parmy]

Demons killing demons.

[arista]

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-d1184d85-7bf3-4043-a42c-b785aad5b299.jpeg

[Ammi]

…I don’t really know what to say, Ian Huntley is a monster and he’s surrounded by people who have also earned that title of monster…I never find that I can cheer news like this…/…I just don’t feel anything at all ….his attacker has been named as Anthony Russell who apparently is a triple killer who once raped a pregnant woman….Russell strangled Nicole McGregor, 31, to death before dumping her body in woodland near Leamington Spa…he also murdered Julie Williams, 58, and her son David, 32, during a week-long crime spree in October 2020…monsters indeed attacking monsters in a place of many monsters…

[bots]

…I don’t really know what to say, Ian Huntley is a monster and he’s surrounded by people who have also earned that title of monster…I never find that I can cheer news like this…/…I just don’t feel anything at all ….his attacker has been named as Anthony Russell who apparently is a triple killer who once raped a pregnant woman….Russell strangled Nicole McGregor, 31, to death before dumping her body in woodland near Leamington Spa…he also murdered Julie Williams, 58, and her son David, 32, during a week-long crime spree in October 2020…monsters indeed attacking monsters in a place of many monsters…

i get what you are saying, the triple murderer had nothing to lose, he was never going to be released. However, i wont care if Huntley doesn't survive

[Ammi]

i get what you are saying, the triple murderer had nothing to lose, he was never going to be released. However, i wont care if Huntley doesn't survive

…as I say, I don’t have any feeling of ‘caring’ either, I can’t celebrate such things but I feel nothing…the irony will be of course, from a public/society perspective…if he survives for any great time length of time, needing expensive medical assistance/care…

[GoldHeart]

…I don’t really know what to say, Ian Huntley is a monster and he’s surrounded by people who have also earned that title of monster…I never find that I can cheer news like this…/…I just don’t feel anything at all ….his attacker has been named as Anthony Russell who apparently is a triple killer who once raped a pregnant woman….Russell strangled Nicole McGregor, 31, to death before dumping her body in woodland near Leamington Spa…he also murdered Julie Williams, 58, and her son David, 32, during a week-long crime spree in October 2020…monsters indeed attacking monsters in a place of many monsters…

Yeah it figures that another monster would attack him ,so I agree with you there Ammi.

As usually evil scum like that are put together anyway in prison. I think people are just happy to see him get a dose of suffering,as he inflicted it on his victim's...not just victim's but children,so that usually makes us all feel something more when it's innocent children who are harmed and killed.

I will never forget those 2 girls in their football tshirts , truly horrible what happened.

[GoldHeart]

i get what you are saying, the triple murderer had nothing to lose, he was never going to be released. However, i wont care if Huntley doesn't survive

I don't think many of us care if he lives or survives , I will say though at least this time the attack is real ...and not some silly social media rumour. Like that one about him being
" blinded in his eyes " .

[Parmy]

I don't think many of us care if he lives or survives , I will say though at least this time the attack is real ...and not some silly social media rumour. Like that one about him being
" blinded in his eyes " .

Calm down Jennifer

[Mystic Mock]

…I don’t really know what to say, Ian Huntley is a monster and he’s surrounded by people who have also earned that title of monster…I never find that I can cheer news like this…/…I just don’t feel anything at all ….his attacker has been named as Anthony Russell who apparently is a triple killer who once raped a pregnant woman….Russell strangled Nicole McGregor, 31, to death before dumping her body in woodland near Leamington Spa…he also murdered Julie Williams, 58, and her son David, 32, during a week-long crime spree in October 2020…monsters indeed attacking monsters in a place of many monsters…

Anthony Russell might need an iron bar of his own.:hehe:

I'm obviously joking, just to clarify before anyone thinks that I'm advocating for him to be physically harmed.

[thesheriff443]

Anthony Russell might need an iron bar of his own.:hehe:

I'm obviously joking, just to clarify before anyone thinks that I'm advocating for him to be physically harmed.

Mock you monster

[Mystic Mock]

Mock you monster

:smug:

[Crimson Dynamo]

Is he dead yet?

:fc:

[arista]

Sadly, he is still in the hospital

[Ray.]

…I don’t really know what to say, Ian Huntley is a monster and he’s surrounded by people who have also earned that title of monster…I never find that I can cheer news like this…/…I just don’t feel anything at all ….his attacker has been named as Anthony Russell who apparently is a triple killer who once raped a pregnant woman….Russell strangled Nicole McGregor, 31, to death before dumping her body in woodland near Leamington Spa…he also murdered Julie Williams, 58, and her son David, 32, during a week-long crime spree in October 2020…monsters indeed attacking monsters in a place of many monsters…

I agree, Ammi.

[Mystic Mock]

Sadly, he is still in the hospital

:(

[GoldHeart]

Calm down Jennifer

Tf is Jennifer?

[arista]

He has been Blinded

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-5118e87d-9918-4575-9c8f-e39742f515c4.jpeg

[Mystic Mock]

He has been Blinded

https://liveblog.digitalimages.sky/lc-images-sky/lcimg-5118e87d-9918-4575-9c8f-e39742f515c4.jpeg

My Birthday isn't supposed to be til May 30th:dance:

Great news.

[arista]

Sky News reports

His life support machine
has been turned off



[Child killer Ian Huntley's life support
machine has been switched off after he
was brutally attacked in prison, sources claim.

The 52-year-old was put on life
support in critical condition with catastrophic
skull injuries after a fellow inmate
left him 'ripped apart like a rat',
a woman who visited the prison
previously told the Daily Mail.]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15622483/Ian-Huntley-life-support-Soham-killer-mother-bedside-prison-attack.html

[Zizu]

Sky News reports

His life support machine
has been turned off



[Child killer Ian Huntley's life support
machine has been switched off after he
was brutally attacked in prison, sources claim.

The 52-year-old was put on life
support in critical condition with catastrophic
skull injuries after a fellow inmate
left him 'ripped apart like a rat',
a woman who visited the prison
previously told the Daily Mail.]


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15622483/Ian-Huntley-life-support-Soham-killer-mother-bedside-prison-attack.html


Have we a Good News Thread for this ?

[emoji3]

[Mystic Mock]

Have we a Good News Thread for this ?

[emoji3]

I think that Benjamin opened up a thread like this awhile back.

[arista]

Have we a Good News Thread for this ?

[emoji3]


Yes, soon the News can confirm
he is dead

[caprimint]

…I don’t really know what to say, Ian Huntley is a monster and he’s surrounded by people who have also earned that title of monster…I never find that I can cheer news like this…/…I just don’t feel anything at all ….his attacker has been named as Anthony Russell who apparently is a triple killer who once raped a pregnant woman….Russell strangled Nicole McGregor, 31, to death before dumping her body in woodland near Leamington Spa…he also murdered Julie Williams, 58, and her son David, 32, during a week-long crime spree in October 2020…monsters indeed attacking monsters in a place of many monsters…
Yeah I agree with you, it's kinda gross imo when people cheer anyone's death no matter who they are and like... as you said the guy who did this has also committed horrific crimes himself too :shrug:

[Zizu]

Yeah I agree with you, it's kinda gross imo when people cheer anyone's death no matter who they are and like... as you said the guy who did this has also committed horrific crimes himself too :shrug:


Maybe put yourself into the position of the two girl’s parents and any self respecting individual for that matter


It’s kinda gross to hear someone taking a monster’s side in this discussion - he should have had a lethal injection at the time


There can be no middle ground in cases like this when we all know what that MONSTER did to those two very young , totally INNOCENT girls !!


You are either against him or for him

We have no idea how many other young girls died or were injured physically or mentally at the hands of this monster .. its unlikely that this was his only offence

[Cherie]

Im surprised it took so long, its for the best he was never getting out so one less monster we are paying for

[thesheriff443]

It’s seems crazy to say it but this attack doesn’t sit right with me, I’ve come in this thread a few times wanting to add my opinion

A murder killing another murder , he hasn’t done it for the girls or their parents, he has done it to make a name for himself as the one who killed Huntley


Also I believe this has been allowed to happen because he was know to be at risk of attack why was there a three foot metal pole with spikes on it in prison, did no one say hold on a minute that can be used as a weapon and so soon after the Watkins killing

And for those that are happy, this time it was a murderer getting attacked what if the next time it’s a prison guard getting attacked who has a family

[Vanessa]

I think he's dead. They shut off his machine.

[thesheriff443]

I think he's dead. They shut off his machine.

They shut it off at 12 lunch time yesterday
He was still able to shallow breathe on his own

[thesheriff443]

He has died

[bots]

He has died

yeah, it's just been confirmed

[thesheriff443]

yeah, it's just been confirmed

845 this morning so he was able to breathe on his own from 12 lunchtime till then

[Zizu]

Sky News just said whilst he lived in Grimsby over a period of 4 years he was the subject of multiple rape and sexual assault enquiries all involving young girls !!

So please don’t shed a tear for THAT monster !

[thesheriff443]

Sky News just said whilst he lived in Grimsby over a period of 4 years he was the subject of multiple rape and sexual assault enquiries all involving young girls !!

So please don’t shed a tear for THAT monster !

No one is shedding any tears but if you keep an animal in a cage you have to look after it

[arista]

Confirmed as Dead now

Alll media

[Livia]

Surely this should now be merged with the Good News thread.

[Zizu]

No one is shedding any tears but if you keep an animal in a cage you have to look after it


That’s where we went wrong

[thesheriff443]

That’s where we went wrong

That’s the justice system we have

[Livia]

Should have kept him in the same conditions they kept Bronson for years with no recriminations.

I'm glad he's dead, I wish he'd suffered more.

[caprimint]

Maybe put yourself into the position of the two girl’s parents and any self respecting individual for that matter


It’s kinda gross to hear someone taking a monster’s side in this discussion - he should have had a lethal injection at the time


There can be no middle ground in cases like this when we all know what that MONSTER did to those two very young , totally INNOCENT girls !!


You are either against him or for him

We have no idea how many other young girls died or were injured physically or mentally at the hands of this monster .. its unlikely that this was his only offence
It's most definitely not "taking his side"... his crime was absolutely horrific and it's the first one I really remember hearing about when I was young on tv. But personally I just disagree with the death penalty or anything of the like and that includes celebrating another person's death/wishing for/being happy for that no matter who it is. As a family member I would want the person to suffer and murdering them doesn't allow for that, if anything he was probably fine with this outcome.

[caprimint]

It’s seems crazy to say it but this attack doesn’t sit right with me, I’ve come in this thread a few times wanting to add my opinion

A murder killing another murder , he hasn’t done it for the girls or their parents, he has done it to make a name for himself as the one who killed Huntley


Also I believe this has been allowed to happen because he was know to be at risk of attack why was there a three foot metal pole with spikes on it in prison, did no one say hold on a minute that can be used as a weapon and so soon after the Watkins killing

And for those that are happy, this time it was a murderer getting attacked what if the next time it’s a prison guard getting attacked who has a family
Agree with you for once :hehe:

[Livia]

I wonder how the families of the two beautiful young girls who he murdered so horrifically, feel today? I'd be throwing a party...

[rusticgal]

Good riddance....he should have languished in a Prison in solitary confinement with a daily fear of being attacked.

[bots]

i will always remember the 2 little girls whose lives he so cruelly took

[Zizu]

It's most definitely not "taking his side"... his crime was absolutely horrific and it's the first one I really remember hearing about when I was young on tv. But personally I just disagree with the death penalty or anything of the like and that includes celebrating another person's death/wishing for/being happy for that no matter who it is. As a family member I would want the person to suffer and murdering them doesn't allow for that, if anything he was probably fine with this outcome.


I’ll never understand views like this

I am anything but a violent individual and would choose flight over fight 100%

That said I think anyone who kills someone intentionally should be done away with

A life for a life ..

Same applies to kiddy fiddlers ..

Oh and I am such a softie I stop on jogging runs to move worms or snails off the pavement

[Zizu]

i will always remember the 2 little girls whose lives he so cruelly took


Same … they just showed Huntley’s tv interview where he gave such a heartfelt statement hours after taking the two young lives

[caprimint]

I’ll never understand views like this

I am anything but a violent individual and would choose flight over fight 100%

That said I think anyone who kills someone intentionally should be done away with

A life for a life ..

Same applies to kiddy fiddlers ..

Oh and I am such a softie I stop on jogging runs to move worms or snails off the pavement
I just think they should be made to suffer and for most of them that would be enduring life in prison rather than essentially getting away with it bc they don't have to deal with it. Fred West died by suicide, Wayne Couzens tried to kill himself when he was initially put inside and Brian Laundrie killed himself before the LE even got to him. There must be loads of instances like this.

It's ironic bc you're celebrating the death of a man who was killed by... another murderer but on an even more extreme level, so now I assume you think he should be killed too? Like where does it end lol?

[Livia]

I think child killers should be shot. No single cell, no kettle, no pocket money to buy themselves treats, no internet, no games console, no access to books and education. Death. Endex. Not a penny should be spent keeping them alive.

[Zizu]

I just think they should be made to suffer and for most of them that would be enduring life in prison rather than essentially getting away with it bc they don't have to deal with it. Fred West died by suicide, Wayne Couzens tried to kill himself when he was initially put inside and Brian Laundrie killed himself before the LE even got to him. There must be loads of instances like this.

It's ironic bc you're celebrating the death of a man who was killed by... another murderer but on an even more extreme level, so now I assume you think he should be killed too? Like where does it end lol?


It ends by killing evil people .. pretty simple really but on these modern times we’d rather give extremely lenient sentences to murderers then when they are released ( full of hate ) they often kill another innocent person

But hey ho … who cares about the innocent

[Mystic Mock]

Yeah I agree with you, it's kinda gross imo when people cheer anyone's death no matter who they are and like... as you said the guy who did this has also committed horrific crimes himself too :shrug:

I think that there's nothing wrong with cheering a child killer's death personally.

Especially if they've never shown any remorse for what they did.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I am sure the victims families are pleased he is dead and not watching sky sports and smoking drugs

[Mystic Mock]

Maybe put yourself into the position of the two girl’s parents and any self respecting individual for that matter


It’s kinda gross to hear someone taking a monster’s side in this discussion - he should have had a lethal injection at the time


There can be no middle ground in cases like this when we all know what that MONSTER did to those two very young , totally INNOCENT girls !!


You are either against him or for him

We have no idea how many other young girls died or were injured physically or mentally at the hands of this monster .. its unlikely that this was his only offence

I agree that Caprimint used the completely wrong language to describe people that celebrate Ian Huntley's death.

According to Cambridge Dictionary the word gross means to do something either "extremely unpleasant” be "extremely fat, large, or ugly” or "extreme in a way that is very obviously wrong or unacceptable” and also there's the financial meaning of the word gross.

But obviously celebrating a child killer's death doesn't fall under any of these categories, because obviously nobody wants a child killer to be doing well or living a perfectly normal life, and obviously isn't a weight or financial issue, so I do think that Caprimint used the wrong word.

However, I also don't believe that Caprimint was supporting him either, I just believe that she said something without thinking too deeply about it.

[Mystic Mock]

It’s seems crazy to say it but this attack doesn’t sit right with me, I’ve come in this thread a few times wanting to add my opinion

A murder killing another murder , he hasn’t done it for the girls or their parents, he has done it to make a name for himself as the one who killed Huntley


Also I believe this has been allowed to happen because he was know to be at risk of attack why was there a three foot metal pole with spikes on it in prison, did no one say hold on a minute that can be used as a weapon and so soon after the Watkins killing

And for those that are happy, this time it was a murderer getting attacked what if the next time it’s a prison guard getting attacked who has a family

Oh his killer is a disgusting piece of **** too, didn't he kill a Mother and Daughter?

[Mystic Mock]

That’s where we went wrong

Tbf, we can't afford to have a Vigilante society.

Don't get me wrong, there are certain societies out there where I believe that Vigilantes are very much needed, but the UK would be falling even further as a society if we went down that slippery slope.

[Benjamin]

Surely this should now be merged with the Good News thread.

:joker:

[Benjamin]

I think that Benjamin opened up a thread like this awhile back.

For happy, light hearted and uplifting news, not for things like this. :laugh:

[Mystic Mock]

For happy, light hearted and uplifting news, not for things like this. :laugh:

I mean this is uplifting news.:joker:

[Benjamin]

I mean this is uplifting news.:joker:

It’s not uplifting at all. :nono:

The families of the victims still probably feel anything but uplifted by it. They’ll probably feel some relief that they no longer have to see his face in newspapers again after tomorrow.

[Mystic Mock]

It’s not uplifting at all. :nono:

The families of the victims still probably feel anything but uplifted by it. They’ll probably feel some relief that they no longer have to see his face in newspapers again after tomorrow.

That's true tbf.

I'm just personally relieved that there's one less monster in this world.

[Shaun]

Must dig out the bunting.

[Zizu]

It’s not uplifting at all. :nono:

The families of the victims still probably feel anything but uplifted by it. They’ll probably feel some relief that they no longer have to see his face in newspapers again after tomorrow.


They will be celebrating like never before ffs

[joeysteele]

It’s seems crazy to say it but this attack doesn’t sit right with me, I’ve come in this thread a few times wanting to add my opinion

A murder killing another murder , he hasn’t done it for the girls or their parents, he has done it to make a name for himself as the one who killed Huntley


Also I believe this has been allowed to happen because he was know to be at risk of attack why was there a three foot metal pole with spikes on it in prison, did no one say hold on a minute that can be used as a weapon and so soon after the Watkins killing

And for those that are happy, this time it was a murderer getting attacked what if the next time it’s a prison guard getting attacked who has a family

I have avoided commenting on this so far too.

I really now only want to say that I agree fully with your whole post.

There is something very wrong indeed as to the running of and security of this particular prison.
As to how any inmate can be able to acquire anything that can be used as weaponry in this way.
This as you said could have been a prison officer or even have involved other inmates too.
If too, as you indicate this was encouraged and ' allowed' to take place, then that's even more worrying.
Or should be worrying.

I thought it looked like I was the only one thinking this way so your post was really refreshing to see.

[Benjamin]

They will be celebrating like never before ffs

I doubt it. As I said the before it’ll probably be relief more than anything they won’t be seeing his face on the front page of newspapers ever again after tomorrow and that this vile man is finally gone from the world.

As for the ffs ending your post, unsure why you felt the need for that, as if I’d said something ludicrous.

[Redway]

Maybe put yourself into the position of the two girl’s parents and any self respecting individual for that matter


It’s kinda gross to hear someone taking a monster’s side in this discussion - he should have had a lethal injection at the time


There can be no middle ground in cases like this when we all know what that MONSTER did to those two very young , totally INNOCENT girls !!


You are either against him or for him

We have no idea how many other young girls died or were injured physically or mentally at the hands of this monster .. its unlikely that this was his only offence

That’s not for you to decide.

[Zizu]

I doubt it. As I said the before it’ll probably be relief more than anything they won’t be seeing his face on the front page of newspapers ever again after tomorrow and that this vile man is finally gone from the world.

As for the ffs ending your post, unsure why you felt the need for that, as if I’d said something ludicrous.


They will have wanted Huntley DEAD from the moment they knew he’d murdered their beautiful children so today is all their Christmases coming at once ..

Let’s watch the news over the next few days and see if there are any quotes from the families involved

If anyone agrees with your statement then I shall immediately apologise profusely .

[Zizu]

That’s not for you to decide.


I dread to hear your take on this matter so please, please don’t share it ..

[Benjamin]

They will have wanted Huntley DEAD from the moment they knew he’d murdered their beautiful children so today is all their Christmases coming at once ..

Let’s watch the news over the next few days and see if there are any quotes from the families involved

If anyone agrees with your statement then I shall immediately apologise profusely .

I don’t disagree they would have wanted him dead. But I doubt they are sat at home cheering, whooping and celebrating, but they’re probably very happy he’s no longer with us, and can try to finally close that chapter of their lives as best they can.

And also it’s not all their Christmases coming at once, their children are still dead, murdered in an awful way. What a silly and insensitive statement to make.

[Zizu]

I don’t disagree they would have wanted him dead. But I doubt they are sat at home cheering, whooping and celebrating, but they’re probably very happy he’s no longer with us, and can try to finally close that chapter of their lives as best they can.

And also it’s not all their Christmases coming at once, their children are still dead, murdered in an awful way. What a silly and insensitive statement to make.


Jog on. … after some of the things you’ve said

[Redway]

I dread to hear your take on this matter so please, please don’t share it ..

Again, that’s not for you to decide. I don’t have any take on this that’s massively divergent to most of what’s been said on this thread by most people. I just think you’re being a bit too black-and-white about retribution.

[Redway]

They will have wanted Huntley DEAD from the moment they knew he’d murdered their beautiful children so today is all their Christmases coming at once ..

Let’s watch the news over the next few days and see if there are any quotes from the families involved

If anyone agrees with your statement then I shall immediately apologise profusely .

I really don’t think anyone’s celebrating. Their kids are still dead. The killer getting killed doesn’t bring them back to life.

I agree with Ben on this, sorry. But I know you won’t apologise, least-of-all to me.

[Benjamin]

Jog on. … after some of the things you’ve said

Hit a nerve clearly judging by your poor comeback. Nice try though.

[Redway]

Jog on. … after some of the things you’ve said

Like what, though?

[Redway]

They will be celebrating like never before ffs

Celebrating what, though? They’re hardly going to be throwing a party when their kids (not just one kid) are still dead.

I don’t think your read into people’s likely reactions are as accurate as you think. And you do have limitations there. Your read into things like this where strong opinions are concerned aren’t necessarily going to be in sync with how someone-else, who doesn’t have your exact wiring and personality, is going to see it. You do have to accept your limitations there.

[GoldHeart]

Again, that’s not for you to decide. I don’t have any take on this that’s massively divergent to most of what’s been said on this thread by most people. I just think you’re being a bit too black-and-white about retribution.

Yeah I'd say this will be closure for the girls' parents, and relief that monster is no longer around. But it won't bring their daughters back .

Cannot imagine the pain and grief they are feeling, knowing their daughters will never grow up.

[Zizu]

Again, that’s not for you to decide. I don’t have any take on this that’s massively divergent to most of what’s been said on this thread by most people. I just think you’re being a bit too black-and-white about retribution.


I just feel extremely strongly on the matter

[Zizu]

Celebrating what, though? They’re hardly going to be throwing a party when their kids (not just one kid) are still dead.

I don’t think your read into people’s likely reactions are as accurate as you think. And you do have limitations there. Your read into things like this where strong opinions are concerned aren’t necessarily going to be in sync with how someone-else, who doesn’t have your exact wiring and personality, is going to see it. You do have to accept your limitations there.


Right

Forget about ‘all their Christmases’ and celebrations and parties (wherever that came from)

I just feel that all the girl’s relatives will be extremely happy that the evil scumbag is dead not just relieved …

[arista]

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[Redway]

Right

Forget about ‘all their Christmases’ and celebrations and parties (wherever that came from)

I just feel that all the girl’s relatives will be extremely happy that the evil scumbag is dead not just relieved …

Yeah, but not to that extent. It still doesn’t bring the poor parents’ kids back to life. And that’s painful for anyone to deal with.

[Zizu]

Yeah, but not to that extent. It still doesn’t bring the poor parents’ kids back to life. And that’s painful for anyone to deal with.


Nobody said anything about bringing the kids back to life to be fair .. certainly not me


The parents have been in pain since the moment they got the dreadfully news .. but today I would imagine that they will feel amazing or ecstatic especially knowing how he painful his death was ..

[Redway]

Nobody said anything about bringing the kids back to life to be fair .. certainly not me


The parents have been in pain since the moment they got the dreadfully news .. but today I would imagine that they will feel amazing or ecstatic especially knowing how he painful his death was ..

Amazing or ecstatic is not how I’d put it, Zizu. I think you’re overestimating their happiness to hear this news. It does nothing for the actual grief itself. It doesn’t solve the real problem. You may argue that he got what he deserved, but I don’t think the parents are gonna blow balloons and have a manic champagne-party about it. I’m not even sure where your impression of them being almost reverse-sadistically overjoyed to hear that their kids’ killer has been killed is even coming from in the first place. Why would you think that?

[GoldHeart]

Plus seeing his ugly mug front page ,I don't think the parents ever want to see his image ever again!, despite the fact he's dead now .

[Livia]

I can only imagine what the parents of those girls went through, what he put them through. If it had been my daughter I'd be celebrating his death. Hell isn't hot enough for that ****er.

[Zizu]

Amazing or ecstatic is not how I’d put it, Zizu. I think you’re overestimating their happiness to hear this news. It does nothing for the actual grief itself. It doesn’t solve the real problem. You may argue that he got what he deserved, but I don’t think the parents are gonna blow balloons and have a manic champagne-party about it. I’m not even sure where your impression of them being almost reverse-sadistically overjoyed to hear that their kids’ killer has been killed is even coming from in the first place. Why would you think that?


Call it intuition

[Zizu]

I can only imagine what the parents of those girls went through, what he put them through. If it had been my daughter I'd be celebrating his death. Hell isn't hot enough for that ****er.


I didn’t want to hear all the gory details the fact that he’d murdered two young inner girls just enraged me

[Redway]

I have no sympathy for the man himself. I just don’t see how much good it’ll do to the victims left behind (the parents/broader family). And it’s a very odd insinuation to make that they’ll be ecstatic. It’s not exactly a selling-point call for celebration, and it’s bizarre that anyone would suggest otherwise out of thin air. The math ain’t mathing, is it?

[Zizu]

I had no sympathy for the man himself. I just don’t see how much good it’ll do to the victims left behind (the parents/broader family). And it’s a very odd insinuation to make that they’ll be ecstatic.


That’s just your opinion though and that’s ok

I just don’t see them going about their daily lives as any normal day that’s why I think they’ll all be on cloud nine

[Redway]

That’s just your opinion though and that’s ok

I just don’t see them going about their daily lives as any normal day that’s why I think they’ll all be on cloud nine

I really don’t think they will be, but okay. Quite a blinkered point of view but, again, okay.

[caprimint]

It ends by killing evil people .. pretty simple really but on these modern times we’d rather give extremely lenient sentences to murderers then when they are released ( full of hate ) they often kill another innocent person

But hey ho … who cares about the innocent
What is "evil" though? That's too subjective with minor offences included which again raises the issue of where does it end? How evil deserves death?

I do agree that it's a problem that money goes towards keeping them alive but that's a whole other issue I guess

[thesheriff443]

The death of a killer is just another chapter in a book that has no happy ending

[Zizu]

I really don’t think they will be, but okay. Quite a blinkered point of view but okay.


I could say yours ( and a few others) are blinkered views

[Redway]

I could say yours ( and a few others) are blinkered views

You’re just not seeing the social reality of what these people’s experiences are likely to be in connection with this chapter. And if you can’t see that, you really need to gain some perspective. No-one’s turning cartwheels just because a killer got killed himself.

[Ray.]

I really don’t think they will be, but okay. Quite a blinkered point of view but okay.

Yeah, much as I abhor the likes of Huntley and think he was totally deserving of death, it's not so easy to pinpoint exactly how his victims' families might feel or think they should feel about his grisly end. Just as a point of example, there exists the possibility that his death might, in some grimly dark fashion, make the grieving families feel that his victims' memories are now on the way to being 'consigned' to history along with him. Not just something that happened, but something that happened. In a horrific kind of sense, Huntley's continued survival behind bars making its way into the press every now and again was also serving to help keep the memory of the two girls alive within the popular consciousness. Potentially, from the perspective of his victims' families, now that he's gone for good, so too is the memory of his victims closer down the road to being forgotten. Obviously I'm not saying that this is how they absolutely feel, I'm just illustrating that it's not all black and white that the killer having met a suitably gruesome end will be of any real comfort to the families or a definite cause for celebration. Disturbingly, it might even serve as a revival of their grief.

[Maru]

We don't know how anyone will ultimately feel, but I imagine it's going to at least have to involve some reprocessing the original murders and grief, which is not fun whatever the reason behind that. Then the fun part where they get see their kids faces or names being posted all over the media again. The high profile bits absolutely complicate the grief process.

[Mystic Mock]

What is "evil" though? That's too subjective with minor offences included which again raises the issue of where does it end? How evil deserves death?

I do agree that it's a problem that money goes towards keeping them alive but that's a whole other issue I guess

I used to be for the death penalty and vigilante justice years ago to be brutally honest.

But I think that my main issue with it as I've got older, in what's meant to be a more "democratic” society, is that a completely innocent person could be accused of murder and then face Vigilante justice.

I know that's not the case with Ian Huntley, but we can't make exceptions to the law, otherwise we have a broken society.

[Ammi]

…it’s so impossible to imagine the complexities of emotions that the parents of Holly and Jessica are feeling right now and just thank the Lord for that, that we can’t imagine it…they’ll never have to face a possibility of him ever walking free again and that must be such a relief …I read that his name was never spoken in their home and neither was the name of Maxine Carr, who obviously has a new identity and a new life, that’s another layer that the family’s emotions will very much be entwined in…I know that Holly’s parents in particular have spoken in the past about their lives since Holly was brutally taken from them and about their struggles with grief and I know that they’ve helped other parents with projects they’ve become involved/active in …just as Holly and Jessica’s parents will not have and have not coped with their grief in an identical way because grief, especially of losing a child in such an horrific violent way is such an individual thing…then I imagine, so will the emotions felt right now…and that’s all I/most of us can do, just imagine that this will be another layer that will take much processing for them atm…

[Ammi]

Yeah, much as I abhor the likes of Huntley and think he was totally deserving of death, it's not so easy to pinpoint exactly how his victims' families might feel or think they should feel about his grisly end. Just as a point of example, there exists the possibility that his death might, in some grimly dark fashion, make the grieving families feel that his victims' memories are now on the way to being 'consigned' to history along with him. Not just something that happened, but something that happened. In a horrific kind of sense, Huntley's continued survival behind bars making its way into the press every now and again was also serving to help keep the memory of the two girls alive within the popular consciousness. Potentially, from the perspective of his victims' families, now that he's gone for good, so too is the memory of his victims closer down the road to being forgotten. Obviously I'm not saying that this is how they absolutely feel, I'm just illustrating that it's not all black and white that the killer having met a suitably gruesome end will be of any real comfort to the families or a definite cause for celebration. Disturbingly, it might even serve as a revival of their grief.

…yeah, you’ve made a very good point as well in that while he was alive in prison, the families could focus their grief on hating him and focusing grief in such a way in such a strong emotion can become such an emotional crutch also, can’t it…so now the processing of it all will take time as well/such a mixture and many layers of emotions …I was reading some responses that were saying things like ‘buy the killer a beer etc’…I mean, I know some comments are reactionary but there is obviously also the loved ones of the three people whose lives he took also and the emotions they will have in him having ‘boosted’ his own standing in that high security A prison…it’s a very complicated thing and as I said originally, monsters killing monsters in a place of many monsters…

[AnnieK]

I am conflicted with this. I have no sympathy for Huntley but Holly and Jessicas parents i am sure will have conflicting emotions. Sadly, due to the notoriety of the case theor daughters names will be forever linked to Huntley and every documentary on him will have their picture flashed on the screen along with his. For Huntley, his sentence has niw ended, theirs hasnt. I think, as a parent, i would prefer him to live a long life, terrified of beatings and attacks, always living in some kind of terror like he put my child and me through. Feath is a nice easy option....thats why so many killers take their own

[Oliver_W]

It's Satan I feel sorry for...

[Ammi]

I am conflicted with this. I have no sympathy for Huntley but Holly and Jessicas parents i am sure will have conflicting emotions. Sadly, due to the notoriety of the case theor daughters names will be forever linked to Huntley and every documentary on him will have their picture flashed on the screen along with his. For Huntley, his sentence has niw ended, theirs hasnt. I think, as a parent, i would prefer him to live a long life, terrified of beatings and attacks, always living in some kind of terror like he put my child and me through. Feath is a nice easy option....thats why so many killers take their own

…and Soham also will inevitably be linked with the sadness and the horrific-ness…Soham isn’t that far from where we lived at the time so it was very much a ‘local’ evil and I recall quite a few years afterwards, seeing a car advertised in Soham…(…I was car hunting at the time…)…and Jessica and Holly came into my thoughts again immediately…evil events/occurrences link to that place forever, don’t they…

[Zizu]

You’re just not seeing the social reality of what these people’s experiences are likely to be in connection with this chapter. And if you can’t see that, you really need to gain some perspective. No-one’s turning cartwheels just because a killer got killed himself.


I think the immediate families of the two girls would be going through a whole raft of EXTREME reactions to the news of the monster’s death . .. one I believe to be ELATION .


Like I said earlier .. we can keep an eye out in the media for the immediate families responses IF they get reported or even SHARED by the families

[Zizu]

You’re just not seeing the social reality of what these people’s experiences are likely to be in connection with this chapter. And if you can’t see that, you really need to gain some perspective. No-one’s turning cartwheels just because a killer got killed himself.


… have you noticed that you talk down to people … assuming that your views or THEORIES are correct or set in stone - when in fact nobody knows …

[Zizu]

I used to be for the death penalty and vigilante justice years ago to be brutally honest.

But I think that my main issue with it as I've got older, in what's meant to be a more "democratic” society, is that a completely innocent person could be accused of murder and then face Vigilante justice.

I know that's not the case with Ian Huntley, but we can't make exceptions to the law, otherwise we have a broken society.


That always been an interesting viewpoint ..



The chances of a complete misjudgment in a serious murder enquiry are minuscule so if 99.9% of evil murderers are given a lethal injection then that would make our land far , far safer and minimises the chances of innocent children/ people being viciously murdered.


I would happily risk one ‘relatively’ innocent person being put down (I researched quite a few miscarriage of justice cases years ago and the vast majority were actually career criminals with extensive lists of violent crimes on their files ) ( so can they really be considered ‘innocent’ in the truest sense ?

[Zizu]

…yeah, you’ve made a very good point as well in that while he was alive in prison, the families could focus their grief on hating him and focusing grief in such a way in such a strong emotion can become such an emotional crutch also, can’t it…so now the processing of it all will take time as well/such a mixture and many layers of emotions …I was reading some responses that were saying things like ‘buy the killer a beer etc’…I mean, I know some comments are reactionary but there is obviously also the loved ones of the three people whose lives he took also and the emotions they will have in him having ‘boosted’ his own standing in that high security A prison…it’s a very complicated thing and as I said originally, monsters killing monsters in a place of many monsters…


Interesting

That said I don’t feel that the families HATING Huntley for decades has been at all healthy or helpful ..


I think they will be far better off when he’s 6’ underground ..

[Redway]

Sigh.

[Zizu]

Sigh.


Go on indulge me

Which comment brought on the sigh ?

[bots]

there is no right or wrong way for families who have lost their loved ones to murder react. There isn't even a typical way they respond. Everyone on earth processes it differently

[Zizu]

there is no right or wrong way for families who have lost their loved ones to murder react. There isn't even a typical way they respond. Everyone on earth processes it differently


Of course .,

My theory is that ONE of the responses may be one of happiness or extreme relief that Huntley is dead. .

[Ammi]

there is no right or wrong way for families who have lost their loved ones to murder react. There isn't even a typical way they respond. Everyone on earth processes it differently

….totally, grief is very much a personal thing and in an horrific situation like this, there would be so much compounded and layered onto that grief also…what I do hope is that the media allow both families their time to process…if they wish to speak and react, they will…but I hope they give them space and don’t push for that to happen…

[Ammi]

Sigh.

Go on indulge me

Which comment brought on the sigh ?

…could you both please stop in this thread…the forum has had to persevere with you interrupting so many threads in practising your self indulgence but in this thread/on this topic it’s completely distasteful in its inappropriateness…

[Livia]

What is "evil" though? That's too subjective with minor offences included which again raises the issue of where does it end? How evil deserves death?

I do agree that it's a problem that money goes towards keeping them alive but that's a whole other issue I guess

Someone who murders two ten year old girls, for a start. That's evil. There's no coming back for them or for their families.

You’re just not seeing the social reality of what these people’s experiences are likely to be in connection with this chapter. And if you can’t see that, you really need to gain some perspective. No-one’s turning cartwheels just because a killer got killed himself.

Everyone had a different take on this. Yes it's true Zizu can't really know how the girls' parents feel. But then, neither can you. If someone touched my daughter I'd want to kill them myself. I can imagine the parents feel elated, but I don't know.


It's Satan I feel sorry for...

Yeah, he's got quite the housefull by now.I

[caprimint]

Someone who murders two ten year old girls, for a start. That's evil. There's no coming back for them or for their families.

Yeah of course, their families/friends will never recover no matter what. I'm just not sure how "evil enough" for the death penalty would be determined in every other case especially when there are so many complex situations with various involvements etc

[arista]

Ali on LBC
says is this us supporting the death sentence?


No Ali
it was a Prisoner with a Stick that had nails in it
and the prison officer on duty
walked away.

So it was not "us"

[Redway]

…could you both please stop in this thread…the forum has had to persevere with you interrupting so many threads in practising your self indulgence but in this thread/on this topic it’s completely distasteful in its inappropriateness…

With all due respect, Ammi, my disagreement with Zizu’s opinion this thread based on present vibes and not history are civil enough. It’s not a distasteful derailment. It’s not self-indulgent. It’s not sniping. It’s just a different opinion on a forum and that’s where it stayed.

You know I have a lot of time for you, Ammi, but this is not an appropriate comment. And I’m disappointed that that’s coming from you. It stayed respectful and on-topic throughout, otherwise my posts would’ve been inevitably deleted, like so much inevitably does. I am not the sort of person to derail a thread about child-murder, so please don’t project that onto me based on me and Zizu’s history. Nowhere in this thread has this been the case. Nowhere. People are allowed to disagree within civil bounds, whether they have history of actual beef or not. And clearly that’s all this is.

[GoldHeart]

That always been an interesting viewpoint ..



The chances of a complete misjudgment in a serious murder enquiry are minuscule so if 99.9% of evil murderers are given a lethal injection then that would make our land far , far safer and minimises the chances of innocent children/ people being viciously murdered.


I would happily risk one ‘relatively’ innocent person being put down (I researched quite a few miscarriage of justice cases years ago and the vast majority were actually career criminals with extensive lists of violent crimes on their files ) ( so can they really be considered ‘innocent’ in the truest sense ?

In theory it's great wiping out evil murderers & predators ,but tell that to the innocent people on death row ? .

It's happened over here ,where People get wrongly accused and lose years of their life in prison. But then they get released and can get compensation, whereas if they receive the death penalty then that's it .

[Redway]

In theory it's great wiping out evil murderers & predators ,but tell that to the innocent people on death row ? .

It's happened over here ,where People get wrongly accused and lose years of their life in prison. But then they get released and can get compensation, whereas if they receive the death penalty then that's it .

Very good point. All well-and-good in theory, until they make an erroneous conviction.

[Ammi]

It’s seems crazy to say it but this attack doesn’t sit right with me, I’ve come in this thread a few times wanting to add my opinion

A murder killing another murder , he hasn’t done it for the girls or their parents, he has done it to make a name for himself as the one who killed Huntley


Also I believe this has been allowed to happen because he was know to be at risk of attack why was there a three foot metal pole with spikes on it in prison, did no one say hold on a minute that can be used as a weapon and so soon after the Watkins killing

And for those that are happy, this time it was a murderer getting attacked what if the next time it’s a prison guard getting attacked who has a family

…just coming back to your words here and the last paragraph specifically because the level of security in ‘A’ security prisons and this one maybe in particular does seem to be severely flawed…wasn’t it the same prison that the Manchester Arena bomber attacked three prison officers not too long ago…?… he threw hot oil at the officers and stabbed them with blades that had been made from cooking trays…access to the kitchens or any other area of makeshift weapons being possible to be created was something that was meant to be restricted from then…for someone who is serving a life sentence and an unlikely-hood to be released, then the consequences at most would be another life sentence and unlikely-hood of being released….I understand that the ‘prison hierarchy’ places child killers and paedophiles etc at the bottom of that prison chain and they become targets…but just as easily, a prison officer could be placed at the bottom of that chain also so it’s very much about keeping those who work there safe…

[Zizu]

…just coming back to your words here and the last paragraph specifically because the level of security in ‘A’ security prisons and this one maybe in particular does seem to be severely flawed…wasn’t it the same prison that the Manchester Arena bomber attacked three prison officers not too long ago…?… he threw hot oil at the officers and stabbed them with blades that had been made from cooking trays…access to the kitchens or any other area of makeshift weapons being possible to be created was something that was meant to be restricted from then…for someone who is serving a life sentence and an unlikely-hood to be released, then the consequences at most would be another life sentence and unlikely-hood of being released….I understand that the ‘prison hierarchy’ places child killers and paedophiles etc at the bottom of that prison chain and they become targets…but just as easily, a prison officer could be placed at the bottom of that chain also so it’s very much about keeping those who work there safe…


That’s another plus of the death penalty

These thousands of violent murders have to be contained/restrained by normal people ( prison guards) who are all at serious risk every minute they are on duty

Not to mention the hundreds of millions we have wasted on keeping them behind bars for decades .. money that could have gone to hospitals and schools or housing ..

[Ammi]

That’s another plus of the death penalty

These thousands of violent murders have to be contained/restrained by normal people ( prison guards) who are all at serious risk every minute they are on duty

Not to mention the hundreds of millions we have wasted on keeping them behind bars for decades .. money that could have gone to hospitals and schools or housing ..

…I think that probably the wider Death Penalty discussion would be for a thread on its own….for me, it doesn’t really work because of the time that is spent on death row also, which can be 20-30 years because of the legal process of appeals etc …but as I say, it’s not a topic that I personally feel that I want to discuss in any depth in this thread…

[Livia]

In these days of dna and overwhelming forensic evidence, it's so much harder to convict innocent people. Sometimes, there is absolutely no doubt about who's done what because the evidence more than convincing, it's absolute. Like in the case of Huntley. It's all very nice and inclusive to worry about the monsters, I suppose; nice to imagine all life is sacred but it is not. Once you'd done something inhuman it's time for you to leave the human race. When the evidence is certain, especially in the case of child murderers and serial killers, I would eradicate them from the gene pool. I feel sure if people had to cope with the heinous murder of someone close to them, have to think about the fear and the pain they went through, about the hopeless agony of their last moments while the monster that killed them got his jollies, people might care less about the perpetrator.

[Zizu]

I these days of dna and overwhelming forensic evidence, it's so much harder to convict innocent people. Sometimes, there is absolutely no doubt about who's done what because the evidence more than convincing, it's absolute. Like in the case of Huntley. It's all very nice and inclusive to worry about the monsters, I suppose; nice to imagine all life is sacred but it is not. Once you'd done something inhuman it's time for you to leave the human race. When the evidence is certain, especially in the case of child murderers and serial killers, I would eradicate them from the gene pool. I feel sure if people had to cope with the heinous murder of someone close to them, have to think about the fear and the pain they went through, about the hopeless agony of their last moments while the monster that killed them got his jollies, people might care less about the perpetrator.


100%

[bots]

Wasn't there a very recent case where the police were found to have framed someone for a crime? Where there is a will there is a way ..... still holds true to this day

[Ammi]

Wasn't there a very recent case where the police were found to have framed someone for a crime? Where there is a will there is a way ..... still holds true to this day

…I mean, every day we see outcries of a policing/justice system that feels very broken atm and those are all parts of the wheels of a system that we would rely on in a death penalty system …and ironically one of the high security prisoners in the same prison as Ian Huntley was killed in is Wayne Couzens, a police officer who fell through a ‘foolproof or at least sound system’….I read that 1 death penalty prisoner in around 8/9 was exonerated and that’s scarily high, I would say…there may be advancements in DNA evidence etc but to counter that there is also a very quick moving advancement in ‘deep fake’ technology …

[GoldHeart]

Wasn't there a very recent case where the police were found to have framed someone for a crime? Where there is a will there is a way ..... still holds true to this day

Where there's corruption...so it figures.

Plus juries themselves get it wrong,I would hate getting called for jury duty .

[Zizu]

…I mean, every day we see outcries of a policing/justice system that feels very broken atm and those are all parts of the wheels of a system that we would rely on in a death penalty system …and ironically one of the high security prisoners in the same prison as Ian Huntley was killed in is Wayne Couzens, a police officer who fell through a ‘foolproof or at least sound system’….I read that 1 death penalty prisoner in around 8/9 was exonerated and that’s scarily high, I would say…there may be advancements in DNA evidence etc but to counter that there is also a very quick moving advancement in ‘deep fake’ technology …


Death Row Error Rate: Approximately 4.1% of inmates on death row are estimated to be innocent.

[Zizu]

Death Row Error Rate: Approximately 4.1% of inmates on death row are estimated to be innocent.


Still that’s exterminating 95.9% of evil , callous people … thereby making the streets much safer

[GoldHeart]

Still that’s exterminating 95.9% of evil , callous people … thereby making the streets much safer

You wouldn't be saying that if you got wrongly accused of a crime ,with an awful justice system to rely on . Or a crap lawyer .

[Crimson Dynamo]

People: oh you cant execute murderers as they may be wrongly accused

Same People; yeah, lock them up for life even if they are wrongly accused i dont care

:skull:

[Zizu]

You wouldn't be saying that if you got wrongly accused of a crime ,with an awful justice system to rely on . Or a crap lawyer .


Have you seen the stats of released murderers.. murdering a second innocent victim ?

•UK Context: A report covering roughly a decade found that 29 individuals with previous homicide convictions (including murder and manslaughter) went on to kill again.


Ministry of Justice data analysed by Yahoo News UK shows that 348 people were convicted of murder while under the supervision of probation services from March 2015 to March 2020.

Hundreds of murders have been committed by dangerous criminals on probation who weren't being monitored properly after being released from prison in England and Wales.

[Ammi]

Death Row Error Rate: Approximately 4.1% of inmates on death row are estimated to be innocent.

…this was the source for my ‘1 for around every 8/9’….its deathlenaltyinfo.org which feels like an official/reliable information source…I didn’t want to look at anything media led/related as that can often be slanted dependant on the leaning of media source bias…I think it was actually 1 death row prisoner exonerated for every 8.3 executed, so I did average that at between 8/9…




Since 1973, at least 202 people who were wrongly convicted and sentenced to death in the U.S. have been exonerated.


A Death Penalty Information Center database of every death-row exoneration since 1972. For every 8 people executed in the United States, one other person has been exonerated from death row.


The Most Common Causes of Wrongful Death Penalty Convictions: Official Misconduct and Perjury or False Accusation (…in effect, a corrupt/flawed system that is dealing with life and death..)…


https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/policy/innocence

[joeysteele]

…I mean, every day we see outcries of a policing/justice system that feels very broken atm and those are all parts of the wheels of a system that we would rely on in a death penalty system …and ironically one of the high security prisoners in the same prison as Ian Huntley was killed in is Wayne Couzens, a police officer who fell through a ‘foolproof or at least sound system’….I read that 1 death penalty prisoner in around 8/9 was exonerated and that’s scarily high, I would say…there may be advancements in DNA evidence etc but to counter that there is also a very quick moving advancement in ‘deep fake’ technology …

I will never support the death penalty.
Absolutely 100% not.

Just one innocent person executed would be way too many.
I also think it would be a barbaric step backwards immaterial of the evidence.
Your point on DNA and deep fake issues is a very strong point too.

I hope it's never ever brought back.

[Glenn.]

The actual issue with the death penalty is that innocent people do get convicted. Even the stats posted here show that. If the system can get it wrong, the state shouldn’t have the power to carry out an irreversible punishment.

Keeping someone locked up forever protects the public without risking executing the wrong person. That seems like the far more sensible line to draw.

[joeysteele]

The actual issue with the death penalty is that innocent people do get convicted. Even the stats posted here show that. If the system can get it wrong, the state shouldn’t have the power to carry out an irreversible punishment.

Keeping someone locked up forever protects the public without risking executing the wrong person. That seems like the far more sensible line to draw.

This, definitely.
I agree fully.

[GoldHeart]

Have you seen the stats of released murderers.. murdering a second innocent victim ?

•UK Context: A report covering roughly a decade found that 29 individuals with previous homicide convictions (including murder and manslaughter) went on to kill again.


Ministry of Justice data analysed by Yahoo News UK shows that 348 people were convicted of murder while under the supervision of probation services from March 2015 to March 2020.

Hundreds of murders have been committed by dangerous criminals on probation who weren't being monitored properly after being released from prison in England and Wales.

Precisely! and this is the system you would trust and have faith in to execute the right people?!, you don't think they'd f it up ?? :skull: .

The attitude seems to be " well a few innocent people can get sacrificed" ...so long as there's a high rate of evil criminals getting the death penalty then that makes it ok ? .


The law needs to change and be alot more strict ,but I could never agree to the death penalty.

Yes criminals re offend especially the ones who do the most abhorrent acts,which is exactly why LIFE should mean LIFE with no chance of parole and throw away the key . The whole point is to keep the streets safe ,and keep the dangerous locked up .

Also prisons need to be prisons,more high security and non of this BS where they're allowed TV , Internet , phone etc .

[Redway]

Death Row Error Rate: Approximately 4.1% of inmates on death row are estimated to be innocent.

Well, there you go. If one of those 4.1% was one of your relatives, how would you feel then?

[GoldHeart]

Well, there you go. If one of those 4.1% was one of your relatives, how would you feel then?

I remember watching a TV experiment programme about the criminal law & system, they were dealing with a real life horrific crime where a guy murdered his wife with a hammer.

Now you would think it would be pretty clean cut that it was murder ,the guy used a hammer he was clearly guilty,it was no self defense and it was no manslaughter . He clearly meant to kill her ,he went and got the hammer of all items to end her life in the most grisly way .

Yet 2 juries... same case and 2 different outcomes. So yeah I don't think I could ever put my faith in the justice system.

[Redway]

I remember watching a TV experiment programme about the criminal law & system, they were dealing with a real life horrific crime where a guy murdered his wife with a hammer.

Now you would think it would be pretty clean cut that it was murder ,the guy used a hammer he was clearly guilty,it was no self defense and it was no manslaughter . He clearly meant to kill her ,he went and got the hammer of all items to end her life in the most grisly way .

Yet 2 juries... same case and 2 different outcomes. So yeah I don't think I could ever put my faith in the justice system.

It’s hard to put one’s faith in the justice-system even as-is and at the best of times (whatever those really are). One wrongful killing, as joeysteele pointed out, is one-too-many and does to innocent people exactly what we’re trying to retribute against when we believe them to be guilty. So I’m not sure how helpful that would be. And that’s really all I’m saying on this thread. Not once have I insulted or come for anyone, so I really don’t know what that unnecessary insinuation came from. I’m not saying anything different from what other people have said.

[GoldHeart]

It’s hard to put one’s faith in the justice-system even as-is and at the best of times (whatever those really are). One wrongful killing, as joeysteele pointed out, is one-too-many and does to innocent people exactly what we’re trying to retribute against when we believe them to be guilty. So I’m not sure how helpful that would be. And that’s really all I’m saying on this thread. Not once have I insulted or come for anyone, so I really don’t know what that unnecessary insinuation came from. I’m not saying anything different from what other people have said.

Yesh that's what I'm saying , I would never trust the criminal system or a jury when it came to the death penalty . The fact they can't agree when someone is guilty or innocent, I don't know what makes people think they'd execute the right person . They'd always be that doubt.

[Alf]

Who cares? let's put our attention back on Andrew Mountbatten and Peter Mandleson.

They're good at distracting you, arne't they?

[Redway]

Yesh that's what I'm saying , I would never trust the criminal system or a jury when it came to the death penalty . The fact they can't agree when someone is guilty or innocent, I don't know what makes people think they'd execute the right person . They'd always be that doubt.

I know, love. I understand what you’re saying.

Also. Not to make this more racial than it needs to be but there have been quite a few incidences over the years where black men in-particular have been wrongly convicted and then killed. No-doubt individual instances come from a place of racism and racial bias. There’s no getting away from that historically.

[thesheriff443]

Who cares? let's put our attention back on Andrew Mountbatten and Peter Mandleson.

They're good at distracting you, arne't they?

You are in the wrong thread plus they are being investigated by the police

[arista]

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[Mystic Mock]

That always been an interesting viewpoint ..



The chances of a complete misjudgment in a serious murder enquiry are minuscule so if 99.9% of evil murderers are given a lethal injection then that would make our land far , far safer and minimises the chances of innocent children/ people being viciously murdered.


I would happily risk one ‘relatively’ innocent person being put down (I researched quite a few miscarriage of justice cases years ago and the vast majority were actually career criminals with extensive lists of violent crimes on their files ) ( so can they really be considered ‘innocent’ in the truest sense ?

I understand where you're coming from.

But what if there happened to be someone in that 0.1% that had never committed a single crime? Should they be sacrificed just so we can kill the 99.9% of monsters?

Again I can understand where you're coming from if you were to say yes, but personally I don't feel comfortable with the idea.

[Mystic Mock]

there is no right or wrong way for families who have lost their loved ones to murder react. There isn't even a typical way they respond. Everyone on earth processes it differently

I 100% agree.

It would feel performative imo if every single one of the victims family members were to have the exact same reaction.

[Mystic Mock]

You wouldn't be saying that if you got wrongly accused of a crime ,with an awful justice system to rely on . Or a crap lawyer .

Exactly.

[Ammi]

Precisely! and this is the system you would trust and have faith in to execute the right people?!, you don't think they'd f it up ?? :skull: .

The attitude seems to be " well a few innocent people can get sacrificed" ...so long as there's a high rate of evil criminals getting the death penalty then that makes it ok ? .


The law needs to change and be alot more strict ,but I could never agree to the death penalty.

Yes criminals re offend especially the ones who do the most abhorrent acts,which is exactly why LIFE should mean LIFE with no chance of parole and throw away the key . The whole point is to keep the streets safe ,and keep the dangerous locked up .

Also prisons need to be prisons,more high security and non of this BS where they're allowed TV , Internet , phone etc .

…I agree entirely that sentencing should be what the sentence is that’s given and not just a fraction of that …so there are definitely things to address, I feel…but there is a huge area between extremes of lenient/reduced sentencing and death sentence…when life sentence is given for abhorrent crimes then life should be served…

[bots]

The reality in the modern age is that prisoners can be tagged and monitored. There is no actual need to physically lock them up. Only the most violent offenders that pose a direct threat to the public need to be imprisoned. We need to get used to that, it would save us a lot of money

[Redway]

The reality in the modern age is that prisoners can be tagged and monitored. There is no actual need to physically lock them up. Only the most violent offenders that pose a direct threat to the public need to be imprisoned. We need to get used to that, it would save us a lot of money

Not sure about this, tbh.

[Livia]

There's not much faith in the police nor the judicial system, is there. DNA can't be falsified. Also, is there really anyone on here who thinks Huntley was wrongly convicted or fitted up in some way? But people would rather he was still sitting in his cell watching TV, drinking tea and eating biscuits, while those two ten year old girls are in the ground. Far too much time is spent worrying about the murderers and far loo little about the victims.

[thesheriff443]

There's not much faith in the police nor the judicial system, is there. DNA can't be falsified. Also, is there really anyone on here who thinks Huntley was wrongly convicted or fitted up in some way? But people would rather he was still sitting in his cell watching TV, drinking tea and eating biscuits, while those two ten year old girls are in the ground. Far too much time is spent worrying about the murderers and far loo little about the victims.

A man spent 17 years in prison based on dna evidence only to find out later the the dna wasn’t even tested

When it was tested the dna belonged to another man

[Livia]

You're referring to a case where the man was jailed ore than 20 years ago. DNA evidence was in its infancy then, he was cleared eventually because his DNA had been stored at the time and he was cleared using modern techniques. It's not the same today.

[arista]

The Government is to pay
the £3,000 Funeral for him.

His one daughter has said no
In the press, she would like less spent on him.

[Livia]

Dig a hole in the prison grounds, tip him in it.

[arista]

Dig a hole in the prison grounds, tip him in it.


Yes, that would be better

[Zizu]

The reality in the modern age is that prisoners can be tagged and monitored. There is no actual need to physically lock them up. Only the most violent offenders that pose a direct threat to the public need to be imprisoned. We need to get used to that, it would save us a lot of money


100%

[Livia]

The reality in the modern age is that prisoners can be tagged and monitored. There is no actual need to physically lock them up. Only the most violent offenders that pose a direct threat to the public need to be imprisoned. We need to get used to that, it would save us a lot of money

I'm not happy for prisoners to be confined to the comfort of their own home, free to drink, puff, have sex etc.. That's not really punishment. It reminds me of people who compared going through lockdown to goIng through WW2. I think we should train offenders in construction, let them learn a trade while building more prisons. I'm all for rehabilitation so long as the offender isn't beyond redemption.

[Zizu]

I'm not happy for prisoners to be confined to the comfort of their own home, free to drink, puff, have sex etc.. That's not really punishment. It reminds me of people who compared going through lockdown to goIng through WW2. I think we should train offenders in construction, let them learn a trade while building more prisons. I'm all for rehabilitation so long as the offender isn't beyond redemption.


Yeah

Fair comments … in fairness

[Ninastar]

He should have suffered longer

[Mystic Mock]

The reality in the modern age is that prisoners can be tagged and monitored. There is no actual need to physically lock them up. Only the most violent offenders that pose a direct threat to the public need to be imprisoned. We need to get used to that, it would save us a lot of money

I agree with you actually.

The issue is that our leaders in Europe don't, because I don't believe that Huntley would've got the sentence that he received at the time under a Sunak or Starmer leadership.

[Redway]

He should have suffered longer

Yep.

[Zizu]

Well, there you go. If one of those 4.1% was one of your relatives, how would you feel then?


It would be ‘one of those things you’d have to accept .. it would be an absolute rarity though

In contrast there are THOUSANDS of innocent people being killed each and every day in wars across the world ..


Are we petitioning the politicians or armed services to stop killing innocents ?


Apparently it’s acceptable to kill innocent people

[Crimson Dynamo]

He should have suffered longer

The victims families suffered every day he drew breath

[Zizu]

The victims families suffered every day he drew breath


Yes
That would be my take on things as well

It’s pure folly to imagine that every day he spent in prison he was suffering atrocities ..

We know that prison has changed dramatically over the years

Thousands each year commit crimes late December just to spend Christmas in jail

[joeysteele]

The reality in the modern age is that prisoners can be tagged and monitored. There is no actual need to physically lock them up. Only the most violent offenders that pose a direct threat to the public need to be imprisoned. We need to get used to that, it would save us a lot of money

I've been saying things like this for years.
I totally agree.

[Livia]

If I break the law I'd rather spend my sentence at home with my feet up. Sounds like real punishment.....

[bots]

If I break the law I'd rather spend my sentence at home with my feet up. Sounds like real punishment.....

they sit with their feet up in jail

[Zizu]

they sit with their feet up in jail


Plus get free gym workouts daily among many other perks

[GoldHeart]

The Government is to pay
the £3,000 Funeral for him.

His one daughter has said no
In the press, she would like less spent on him.

This is something that makes no sense to me !

Why pay for a murderer rapist's funeral??, he wasn't a politician.

[Glenn.]

If anything, the families have been robbed of seeing him spend the rest of his life locked up paying for what he did.

[Livia]

they sit with their feet up in jail

It's hardly like being in your own place with Netflix, all your books, family around you... Sit outside if the weather's warm and have a beer, have your friends over... It's hardly a punishment at all.

[bots]

It's hardly like being in your own place with Netflix, all your books, family around you... Sit outside if the weather's warm and have a beer, have your friends over... It's hardly a punishment at all.

that really depends on the terms set by the court

[Zizu]

If anything, the families have been robbed of seeing him spend the rest of his life locked up paying for what he did.


Watching telly , playing computer games , then working out in the gym ( free membership ) ..

[Glenn.]

Watching telly , playing computer games , then working out in the gym ( free membership ) ..

Ian Huntley was assaulted several times in prison, though the exact number varies depending on what is counted as a confirmed attack. The widely reported incidents include:

1. 2003 – Belmarsh Prison attack
Shortly after being jailed, another prisoner attacked him with a cup of boiling water mixed with salt and butter. The mixture was meant to stick to the skin and cause worse burns.

2. 2010 – Frankland Prison attack
A fellow inmate cut his throat with a makeshift knife. Huntley survived but required hospital treatment.

3. 2013 – Wakefield Prison attack
He was stabbed with a sharpened instrument during another assault.

4. Multiple smaller assaults or threats
Reports over the years mention further intimidation, attempted attacks, and incidents that led to him being moved between high-security prisons for protection.


Sounds like he had a lovely time

[Glenn.]

And if I was the families I’d rather his stay in prison was more like that. Hence why it’s a waste that he’s dead and the families probably feel robbed.

[Livia]

that really depends on the terms set by the court

I sentence you to six box sets and a case of Merlot...

[joeysteele]

And if I was the families I’d rather his stay in prison was more like that. Hence why it’s a waste that he’s dead and the families probably feel robbed.

That's definitely another way of looking at it Glenn.

He was sentenced to 2 LIFE sentences, one life sentence for each girl murdered.

He has in effect because of this, only served ONE life sentence and nothing really for the other one.
Or he's just completed ONLY half of both life sentences.

I think you make a fair point.

[Zizu]

Watching telly , playing computer games , then working out in the gym ( free membership ) ..


I have seen reports of paedophiles being able to get hold of private files documenting sex abuse cases as way of passing the time all whilst in prison .. they even share the info with fellow perverts

Lets not forget that drugs and whatever are rife in the prison system

[Glenn.]

High-profile prisoners like Huntley spend most of their time in segregation or protection wings. They’re not casually wandering around sharing files and socialising.

[Zizu]

High-profile prisoners like Huntley spend most of their time in segregation or protection wings. They’re not casually wandering around sharing files and socialising.


We obviously watch completely different programs …

[Glenn.]

We obviously watch completely different programs …

I think that’s a given.

[Redway]

It would be ‘one of those things you’d have to accept .. it would be an absolute rarity though

In contrast there are THOUSANDS of innocent people being killed each and every day in wars across the world ..


Are we petitioning the politicians or armed services to stop killing innocents ?


Apparently it’s acceptable to kill innocent people

Going by your logic, yes. But what if that innocent person in prison was your wife, brother or one of your children?

[Zizu]

I think that’s a given.


Well I basically watch documentaries and sports soooooo

[Glenn.]

Documentaries tell a story, they’re not the same as actual evidence or records. They pick the bits that make good TV.

So using that as proof of how prison works isn’t exactly solid.

[Zizu]

Going by your logic, yes. But what if that innocent person in prison was your wife, brother or one of your children?




Whatever I say will see me being slaughtered by someone or other in here …

[Redway]

Whatever I say will see me being slaughtered by someone or other in here …

Get a grip, Zizu. It’s a civil disagreement and nothing more, unless you make it something more. Just because me and you have history doesn’t mean you’re above being disagreed with. It’s a forum. It exists for that very reason, to exchange views. This isn’t the thread for bullying or coming in with no other reason than to hound you and I was upset with Ammi the other day for insinuating that was the case, and I still am upset with her, because I consider her an actual friend. So let’s not bring that here. I’m 100% on-topic and that’s all I’m interested in in this very sensitive thread. So let’s let go of the persecution-complex.

[bots]

I sentence you to six box sets and a case of Merlot...

you could bring a whip too if you like :laugh:

[Zizu]

Get a grip, Zizu. It’s a civil disagreement and nothing more, unless you make it something more. Just because me and you have history doesn’t mean you’re above being disagreed with. It’s a forum. It exists for that very reason, to exchange views.


I get more than enough grief in here so I now pick my battles ..

[Redway]

I get more than enough grief in here so I now pick my battles ..

But this isn’t a battle. It’s a difference in opinion. The only thing taking this off-topic between us are insinuations that it’s anything but what it is. You are not above disagreement. You’re an FM, like the rest of us. I don’t know what makes you think you deserve special treatment.

[Zizu]

But this isn’t a battle. It’s a difference in opinion. The only thing taking this off-topic between us are insinuations that it’s anything but what it is. You are not above disagreement. You’re an FM, like the rest of us. I don’t know what makes you think you deserve special treatment.


I have no idea what you’re going on about

I don’t mind people disagreeing with me .. that’s just you projecting your thoughts/ views against me .

I simply don’t care for all the hurtful comments/insults that come my way way and that’s when I close ranks

[Redway]

I have no idea what you’re going on about

I don’t mind people disagreeing with me .. that’s just you projecting your thoughts/ views against me .

I simply don’t care for all the hurtful comments/insults that come my way way and that’s when I close ranks

But you’re projecting what simply isn’t there in this thread based on past dynamics. No-one’s insulted you here. We just don’t think that the parents of the victims are as ebullient as you seem to think they are over Huntley’s death. You don’t get to close ranks and make out that you’re being insulted and abused just-because people are reality-checking your opinions. That’s not insulting, bullying, abuse or persecution. It’s simple disagreement. So please don’t bring issues from other threads into this, because that’s genuinely disrespectful considering what’s being discussed. You just have to accept that I can have more explicit beef with you elsewhere but still have space to disagree you calmly elsewhere. You don’t have to make it into something it isn’t just-because it’s me. I’m not the only person who’s disagreed with you throughout this thread and neither is Glenn. But because it’s me, I get the tag of cruel self-indulgence even when nothing of the kind’s gone on here.

Pointing that out isn’t projection. It’s just me noticing the pattern of behaviour you’ve displayed on this thread. I’d already put that beef aside for the sake of this thread. You can’t keep claiming people are attacking you when they’re just disagreeing. This discussion isn’t about our interpersonal beef/drama and I wouldn’t go into this sort of thread trying to cheapen it as-if it was. I drew that boundary here from day one. You really don’t need to be so defensive in return, getting yourself all wound-up just because someone has an opinion you don’t like or simply challenges your opinions. Disagreement ≠ abuse. At-all. You need to learn that distinction. And it’s only for your own good at the end of the day, because otherwise it makes you look like you’re crying wolf every time even when there are a few times when I choose to go a step further with you. On this particular thread, all it happens to be is you needing a bit of a reality-check administered. Nothing, and I mean nothing, more. It might not have been obvious to everyone yesterday based on your history and I suppose I can understand that but I’ve been explicit about that intention now, so it’s there for all to see. And none of my posts have been deleted, because I haven’t said anything out of bounds or against the rules. We’re just hashing a calm disagreement. Honestly. Doesn’t mean I won’t take it up a more personal notch with you in other threads but we ain’t doing that here. We just not. Not with a thread as sensitive as this. If you’d rather bypass that as well just to bring a feud into it, that’s not something I want to get involved with. All I’m doing is sticking to the topic, about as matter-as-fact and non-personalised as it gets between you and me. And that’s a neutral standing, not an attack. We can have beef elsewhere but I’m not dragging it into a sensitive thread.

Believe it or not, it doesn’t come to any bone in my body to willingly be that inappropriately petty on a thread like this. And I’d want to believe that the people who mean the most to me on this forum would be able to see that.

[Zizu]

But you’re projecting what simply isn’t there in this thread based on past dynamics. No-one’s insulted you here. We just don’t think that the parents of the victims are as ebullient as you seem to think they are over Huntley’s death. You don’t get to close ranks and make out that you’re being insulted and abused just-because people are reality-checking your opinions. That’s not insulting, bullying, abuse or persecution. It’s simple disagreement. So please don’t bring issues from other threads into this, because that’s genuinely disrespectful considering what’s being discussed. You just have to accept that I can have more explicit beef with you elsewhere but still have space to disagree you calmly elsewhere. You don’t have to make it into something it isn’t just-because it’s me. I’m not the only person who’s disagreed with you throughout this thread and neither is Glenn. But because it’s me, I get the tag of cruel self-indulgence even when nothing of the kind’s gone on here.

Pointing that out isn’t projection. It’s just me noticing the pattern of behaviour you’ve displayed on this thread. I’d already put that beef aside for the sake of this thread. You can’t keep claiming people are attacking you when they’re just disagreeing. This discussion isn’t about our interpersonal beef/drama and I wouldn’t go into this sort of thread trying to cheapen it as-if it was. I drew that boundary here from day one. You really don’t need to be so defensive in return, getting yourself all wound-up just because someone has an opinion you don’t like or simply challenges your opinions.


Ok then .. how would you feel if you were the parent of one of the two girls ?

Want him dead or happy for him to live his life getting free meals , the best medical care , loads of access to free leisure activities etc etc etc

[Redway]

Ok then .. how would you feel if you were the parent of one of the two girls ?

Want him dead or happy for him to live his life getting free meals , the best medical care , loads of access to free leisure activities etc etc etc

Yeah, I don’t think Huntley was having the time of his life in prison. And even if he was, there were enough regular beatings in and around that to bounce him back into shape and remind him that he was a wanted man. Either way, I just think your notion of the parents doing cartwheels was a bit overstretched, that’s all. That’s really it. I didn’t come into this particular thread to insult you, whether you let yourself see that or not.

[Livia]

you could bring a whip too if you like :laugh:

LOL...

[Zizu]

Yeah, I don’t think Huntley was having the time of his life in prison. And even if he was, there were enough regular beatings to bounce him back into shape and remind him that he was a wanted man. Either way, I just think your notion of the parents doing cartwheels was a bit overstretched, that’s all. That’s really it. I didn’t come into this particular thread to insult you, whether you let yourself see that or not.


No that’s fair ..

[Redway]

No that’s fair ..

It’s good you can at-least acknowledge that. That’s all I’m saying. In the spirit of this thread, I’m putting that aside for a moment. And you say you feel strongly about the actual thread-matter at hand, so you must be able to understand that. I’m very sure you do.

[Zizu]

It’s good you can at-least acknowledge that. That’s all I’m saying. In the spirit of this thread, I’m putting that aside for a moment. And you say you feel strongly about the actual thread-matter at hand, so you must be able to understand that. I’m very sure you do.


I’ve said many times that I hate any animosity

[Mystic Mock]

Ian Huntley was assaulted several times in prison, though the exact number varies depending on what is counted as a confirmed attack. The widely reported incidents include:

1. 2003 – Belmarsh Prison attack
Shortly after being jailed, another prisoner attacked him with a cup of boiling water mixed with salt and butter. The mixture was meant to stick to the skin and cause worse burns.

2. 2010 – Frankland Prison attack
A fellow inmate cut his throat with a makeshift knife. Huntley survived but required hospital treatment.

3. 2013 – Wakefield Prison attack
He was stabbed with a sharpened instrument during another assault.

4. Multiple smaller assaults or threats
Reports over the years mention further intimidation, attempted attacks, and incidents that led to him being moved between high-security prisons for protection.


Sounds like he had a lovely time

The Belmarsh attacker really wanted Ian Huntley to suffer.

I hope that the individual didn't do anything really bad themselves, because I could almost respect them for hating Ian Huntley like this.

[Mystic Mock]

I have seen reports of paedophiles being able to get hold of private files documenting sex abuse cases as way of passing the time all whilst in prison .. they even share the info with fellow perverts

Lets not forget that drugs and whatever are rife in the prison system

At least they're not getting their hands onto kids though.

[GoldHeart]

Documentaries tell a story, they’re not the same as actual evidence or records. They pick the bits that make good TV.

So using that as proof of how prison works isn’t exactly solid.

I'd love to know how one of the Stephen Lawrence killer's got access to a mobile phone though ! .

[Glenn.]

Contraband getting in has been a problem in prisons for decades.

[Zizu]

At least they're not getting their hands onto kids though.


They can get all kinds of porn though plus private files of sex abuse victims including all the sordid details and the other night Sky showed footage of a drone dropping off drugs to a prisoner’s window !!!

How crazy is that !!

[Glenn.]

They can get all kinds of porn though plus private files of sex abuse victims including all the sordid details and the other night Sky showed footage of a drone dropping off drugs to a prisoner’s window !!!

How crazy is that !!

One news story about a drone drop doesn’t mean prisoners are sitting there with abuse files and whatever else you’re claiming.

Feels like you’ve watched a couple of TV programmes and filled in the rest yourself.

[GoldHeart]

They can get all kinds of porn though plus private files of sex abuse victims including all the sordid details and the other night Sky showed footage of a drone dropping off drugs to a prisoner’s window !!!

How crazy is that !!

Are you saying prisons are actually allowing this ,or that it's corruption at play . Because why would they allow that ? . I know there's a lot of ridiculous things prisoners are sneaking in , like I mentioned earlier mobile phones. I know they have drugs ,but how is a drone not being spotted by the guards!?? .

And then having access to files of abuse victims...wtf !?? how would that even get through,I don't see how that can happen. And I'm someone who believes all sort of disturbed gross things happen in prison.

[Zizu]

Are you saying prisons are actually allowing this ,or that it's corruption at play . Because why would they allow that ? . I know there's a lot of ridiculous things prisoners are sneaking in , like I mentioned earlier mobile phones. I know they have drugs ,but how is a drone not being spotted by the guards!?? .

And then having access to files of abuse victims...wtf !?? how would that even get through,I don't see how that can happen. And I'm someone who believes all sort of disturbed gross things happen in prison.


I’ve seen it reported in a few different programs


Pedos obviously hang out together and swap stories and some are able to get hold of the personal files .. presumably the wardens get paid off ( or threatened ?) to turn a blind eye or even smuggle the files in ?

Can’t honestly remember the details but I was shocked to the core

[Zizu]

I’ve seen it reported in a few different programs


Pedos obviously hang out together and swap stories and some are able to get hold of the personal files .. presumably the wardens get paid off ( or threatened ?) to turn a blind eye or even smuggle the files in ?

Can’t honestly remember the details but I was shocked to the core


This is not a good example but it’s the first thing I found

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Published
10 March 2026
An employee of a sexual abuse charity has been sentenced after sharing confidential information about a child victim with a prisoner, who then used it to intimidate a fellow inmate.
Lauren Leese, 30, was employed at former Stoke-on-Trent charity Savana, which supported survivors of sexual violence and abuse, when she unlawfully obtained the sensitive information and shared it with Shane Davis, 36, who was in prison for rape.
Davis, who is currently serving a sentence at HMP Dovegate, then used the information to threaten and intimidate a fellow prisoner, Staffordshire Police said.
The pair pleaded guilty to unauthorised access of computer material at Stoke-on-Trent Crown Court on Monday.
Staffordshire Police said that for six months in 2024, Leese obtained and shared sensitive personal information from a child victim of serious sexual offences.

[Zizu]

Plus this kind of thing


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Prisoners sharing case files of abuse cases within correctional facilities is a complex issue involving data protection, security risks, and the management of sensitive personal information. While prisoners often discuss their cases, formal sharing of case files is typically restricted, and unauthorized sharing can have legal consequences.
Key findings regarding this issue include:
Handling of Sensitive Information: Police and legal agencies are required to keep sensitive information—such as details from victims—separate from the main offender case file, particularly to prevent information from being shared in a way that could prejudice investigations or endanger individuals.

[GoldHeart]

I’ve seen it reported in a few different programs


Pedos obviously hang out together and swap stories and some are able to get hold of the personal files .. presumably the wardens get paid off ( or threatened ?) to turn a blind eye or even smuggle the files in ?

Can’t honestly remember the details but I was shocked to the core


As grotesque as that is ,this can't be a regular thing happening behind bars surely?! .

[Zizu]

As grotesque as that is ,this can't be a regular thing happening behind bars surely?! .


You would hope not

[Zizu]

One news story about a drone drop doesn’t mean prisoners are sitting there with abuse files and whatever else you’re claiming.

Feels like you’ve watched a couple of TV programmes and filled in the rest yourself.


The drone clip was shown on the main news a few nights ago .. nothing at all to do with the abuse case files being shared by inmates

[Mystic Mock]

They can get all kinds of porn though plus private files of sex abuse victims including all the sordid details and the other night Sky showed footage of a drone dropping off drugs to a prisoner’s window !!!

How crazy is that !!

If that's happening then of course we need to fix the problem.

[Livia]

Drugs are famously available in all our prisons and drones are used a lot. If you don't know that, you're not looking. Strange when a length of pigeon net would stop drones completely.

[GiRTh]

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Fascinating insight

[arista]

Sky News Text :
[Ian Huntley will have a basic cremation after the
Soham killer's family ruled out a
£3,000 taxpayer-funded funeral,
The Sun reports.]


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[Zizu]

They should cremate and bury him just to make certain

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