The Gay Program - Clapham Junction

[BBEyeSpy]

I dont know what it was called

but do channel4 want a death wish

they showed and erection on tv which is eiligal

if they get away with it do you think erection will be more commanly seen

[Matt]

Originally posted by BBEyeSpy
I dont know what it was called

but do channel4 want a death wish

they showed and erection on tv which is eiligal

if they get away with it do you think erection will be more commanly seen

Are you sure it is illegal after 9pm?

[Billy]

LMAO .. It was on after big brother and i kept that channel on and I wasnt payin attention n watchin on compuiter, n my mum walked place and almost shat herself it was likeewwwwww

[BBEyeSpy]

Originally posted by Matt
Originally posted by BBEyeSpy
I dont know what it was called

but do channel4 want a death wish

they showed and erection on tv which is eiligal

if they get away with it do you think erection will be more commanly seen

Are you sure it is illegal after 9pm?

yer it is against the law at any time of the day

[Matt]

Originally posted by BBEyeSpy
Originally posted by Matt
Originally posted by BBEyeSpy
I dont know what it was called

but do channel4 want a death wish

they showed and erection on tv which is eiligal

if they get away with it do you think erection will be more commanly seen

Are you sure it is illegal after 9pm?

yer it is against the law at any time of the day

Can I just ask how you know?

[BBEyeSpy]

the program was called Clapham Junction

[BBEyeSpy]

ive got a felling that they will get away with it because the program marked 40years seen homosexualty wasnt illegal

[BBEyeSpy]

Originally posted by Matt
Originally posted by BBEyeSpy
Originally posted by Matt
Originally posted by BBEyeSpy
I dont know what it was called

but do channel4 want a death wish

they showed and erection on tv which is eiligal

if they get away with it do you think erection will be more commanly seen

Are you sure it is illegal after 9pm?

yer it is against the law at any time of the day

Can I just ask how you know?

saw a program about naught thing on tv and one of them was the only erection ever seen on tv and it was just like one frame

[Matt]

Quotes from the official Ofcom Broadcasting Code:

"Representations of sexual intercourse must not occur before the watershed, or when children are particularly likely to be listening, unless there is a serious educational purpose. Any discussion on, or portrayal of, sexual behaviour must be editorially justified if included before the watershed, or when children are particularly likely to be listening, and must be appropriately limited and inexplicit."

"Nudity before the watershed must be justified by the context."

The watershed is between 9.00pm and 5.30am, so as Clapham Junction was on between 10 and 11pm, I don't think it has broken any rules.

[BBEyeSpy]

television x is the only exaple i can find on wikipedia.com

Censorship
Television X advertises itself as showing all that it can show, but due to UK television censorship, the amount that can be shown is less than that of hardcore pornography. Whilst full nudity can be shown, as can sexual intercourse, the limit to what the viewer can actually see means that Television X cannot show:-

Direct eyeline of penetration. This includes any part of the body being penetrated and by anything.
Erections
Direct tongue to genital contact. In the case of fellatio the view is normally blocked by an arm, a leg, or the act is filmed from behind. In the case of cunnilingus, a 'top down' view can be used, but a direct view of the tongue touching the vagina is never shown.
Direct touching of the naked penis
As a result of these restrictions, programming tends to be reliant on drawn out situations, restrictive camera angles and the actors / actress constantly describing the current activity to compensate for the viewer not actually being allowed to see it.

[CassetteFinger]

Originally posted by BBEyeSpy
I dont know what it was called

but do channel4 want a death wish

they showed and erection on tv which is eiligal

if they get away with it do you think erection will be more commanly seen

LOL has it been that long since i have watched anything else other than big brother that they are showing porn on channel 4 :shocked:

[Princess]

I'm sure it isn't illegal to show an erection on telly after the watershed!

[Matt]

Originally posted by Princess
I'm sure it isn't illegal to show an erection on telly after the watershed!

My thoughts entirely... :wink:

[Dr43%er]

I all ways thought that if it was educational it could be shown. There was a program a while back about sex. They had a camera strapped to the blokes cock and a camera inside the woman so you saw penetration with an erect penis from both view points. This included him cumming. I think it was C4 and on around 10pm. This was classed as an educational program though.

[CassetteFinger]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
I all ways thought that if it was educational it could be shown. There was a program a while back about sex. They had a camera strapped to the blokes cock and a camera inside the woman so you saw penetration with an erect penis from both view points. This included him cumming. I think it was C4 and on around 10pm. This was classed as an educational program though.

Are you sure you were watching channel 4 :shocked:

[Tanser_Man]

Well seeing as most of the porn channels, or so i'm told, can't show any erections or insertion of la penus, i doubt a mainstream channel such as channel 4 would get let off.

Although, they show placid penus's all the time on tv, so what does it matter if the chaps excitable.

[Billy]

Originally posted by rice_square
Originally posted by Dr43%er
I all ways thought that if it was educational it could be shown. There was a program a while back about sex. They had a camera strapped to the blokes cock and a camera inside the woman so you saw penetration with an erect penis from both view points. This included him cumming. I think it was C4 and on around 10pm. This was classed as an educational program though.

Are you sure you were watching channel 4 :shocked:

LMFAO

[MR.K!]

lovely

[Dr43%er]

It was actually quite, er, educational. Nothing erotic in the slightest.

[Sunny_01]

I think in the porn sense it is not legal to show certain things on the telly and an erection may well be one of them, however for a documentary I am sure it should be ok!

[MarkWaldorf]

If they said before the show that the programme might contain sex or what ever, then they can't do anything, because C4 warned the audience. Most of this stuff was shown on Skins, although we didn't see it, it was obvious they were doing it. It's after watershed so it shouldn't be a problem.

[Lauren]

I watched it, I didn't see an erect penis? (I didn't watch the full thing but only missed literally a few minutes). Also, the marked it with a warning more than once and after every break, so I don't see where the problem is.

[BBEyeSpy]

Originally posted by Lauren
I watched it, I didn't see an erect penis? (I didn't watch the full thing but only missed literally a few minutes). Also, the marked it with a warning more than once and after every break, so I don't see where the problem is.

the erected penis was right at the end

it did mark it after every break but that just like me saying im going to rob that bank to a police man and wondering why i have been arested at the end of day

[Lauren]

Originally posted by BBEyeSpy
Originally posted by Lauren
I watched it, I didn't see an erect penis? (I didn't watch the full thing but only missed literally a few minutes). Also, the marked it with a warning more than once and after every break, so I don't see where the problem is.

the erected penis was right at the end

it did mark it after every break but that just like me saying Im going to rob that bank to a police man and wondering why i have been arested at the end of day

With the older man and the young boy when they were in his flat?
It didn't show the whole penis so I think it went passed the rules, also, they're allowed to do it if it's within the context of the programme - and it was.

[BBEyeSpy]

no it was at the end after the flat sence

the boy lit a fag and started masabating and then the older man saw him and when he was shutting his curtain the younger boy got up a exposed himself

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by BBEyeSpy
no it was at the end after the flat sence

the boy lit a fag and started masabating and then the older man saw him and when he was shutting his curtain the younger boy got up a exposed himself

I have to disagree with you there.... I watched the whole show and I didnt see an erect penis.... even at the end when he stood up before the older bloke shut his curtains. The young lads was not erect

[BBEyeSpy]

Removed by Sunny_01 - tis before the watershed - in fact we do not allow any images like that on this site as we have some very young members

[BBEyeSpy]

although the charator was 14 the actor is 22

[~Kizwiz~]

I wouldnt say that was erect.... semi I would say...:hugesmile:

And I do believe that its alowed to be shown....so long as it isnt fully standing :hugesmile:

[BBEyeSpy]

Originally posted by kizwiz
I wouldnt say that was erect.... semi I would say...:hugesmile:

And I do believe that its alowed to be shown....so long as it isnt fully standing :hugesmile:

lol know do you believe me

[Lauren]

See, I knew I didn't see an erect penis! Haha.

[BBEyeSpy]

Originally posted by Lauren
See, I knew I didn't see an erect penis! Haha.

do u know what an erected penis is
lol

[Lauren]

Originally posted by BBEyeSpy
Originally posted by Lauren
See, I knew I didn't see an erect penis! Haha.

do u know what an erected penis is
lol

No, I've lived such a sheltered life.

Of course I do!, and what you saw was semi-erect.

Anyway, this is hardly a discussion :laugh:

[BBEyeSpy]

I Now this is going to sound stupid but if the penis is going to be shown on TV i cant be any higher than this part of Scotland

[BBEyeSpy]

im not joking

[Sunny_01]

I thought this thread was to discuss whether the material should have been shown on tv or not! Keep it clean and on topic or I lock it

[Lauren]

LOL! Weird laws!

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by BBEyeSpy
I Now this is going to sound stupid but if the penis is going to be shown on TV i cant be any higher than this part of Scotland
PMSL..... sorry but that very funny and a very good way of judging it... but from a frontal view.... its hard to tell

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
I thought this thread was to discuss whether the material should have been shown on tv or not! Keep it clean and on topic or I lock it

I thought we were discussing that? It's important whether it was erect or not as thats the conditions outlined in the watershed rules.

[Psylocke]

As most of you know,im in spain at the moment,and it really shows the difference in attitude,when the main channels show porn (full on boners,fannys everything) for free after 11 o clock.lol

I mean an erection is an erection,its not gonna kill you too see one,aslong as its on at an appropriate time,i say erections for everyone.

and anyone who says "eww" to the naked body (unless belonging to jade goody or bubbles from little britain) has serious issues to deal with

[BBEyeSpy]

Originally posted by Psylocke
As most of you know,Im in spain at the moment,and it really shows the difference in attitude,when the main channels show porn (full on boners,fannys everything) for free after 11 o clock.lol

I mean an erection is an erection,its not going to kill you too see one,aslong as its on at an appropriate time,i say erections for everyone.

and anyone who says "eww" to the naked body (unless belonging to jade goody or bubbles from little britain) has serious issues to deal with

lol :joker::hello::laugh2::tongue: [ Mod edited ]

[Jack]

Originally posted by Psylocke
and anyone who says "eww" to the naked body

Unless you're a straight guy.

[BBEyeSpy]

Originally posted by Jackboi89
Originally posted by Psylocke
and anyone who says "eww" to the naked body

Unless you're a straight guy.

im straight and dont go eww when i see another males naked body

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Jackboi89
Originally posted by Psylocke
and anyone who says "eww" to the naked body

Unless you're a straight guy.

He said naked body, meaning both male and female.

And I know MANY straight men who are comfortable and mature enough not to go "eww" at a naked male body - er, you have your own afterall.

[Psylocke]

Originally posted by Jackboi89
Originally posted by Psylocke
and anyone who says "eww" to the naked body

Unless you're a straight guy.

Umm maybe you should replace "straight guy" with "immature guy" or "need to grow up a little more guy" or "im so lacking confidence in my own naked body,i dont want to see anyone elses to remind me how puny i really am guy"

:)

[~Kizwiz~]

I actually thought the programme was fab..... it showed the prejudice that some people still have.

I also watched the programme the previous night about the court case which helped raise issues which led to the legaliation of homosexuality.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by kizwiz
I actually thought the programme was fab..... it showed the prejudice that some people still have.

I agree, but I still feel the programme was slightly stereotypical with the "public toilet" and "heath" scenes. But it did bring some issues into the spotlight that need to be addressed concerning attitudes towards homosexuality.

[BBEyeSpy]

i thought it was a bit over the top

i don't see why all the characters had to snort cocaine and smoke all the time :puzzled:

[~Kizwiz~]

I agree with the stereotypical part but I guess we cant have a spot on view. For me it showed the vunrability which still exists. I was under the assumtion, and wrongly so, that gay rights stood firm but there are still some extreamly prejudice people in society who are out to victimis.

[Psylocke]

I know this sounds funny,but in actuality,the toilet thing is quite common in in "Gay scene" im not talking about gay people,im talking about the "Scene".It goes back to the times when being was illegal and the only ay you could get a slap and a tickle was in a toilet.sad but true.

[BBEyeSpy]

wasn't it the gay people beating each other up

i didn't understand the guy that just went around beating people it like he didn't like gay people but he was gay

[BBEyeSpy]

Originally posted by Psylocke
I know this sounds funny,but in actuality,the toilet thing is quite common in in "Gay scene" Im not talking about gay people,Im talking about the "Scene".It goes back to the times when being was illegal and the only ay you could get a slap and a tickle was in a toilet.sad but true.

i we talking about cutting a hole into the wall

PS are u gay

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by BBEyeSpy
wasn't it the gay people beating each other up

i didn't understand the guy that just went around beating people it like he didn't like gay people but he was gay Thats not how I saw it.... he got hiskicks out of beating the crap out of them. I was under the impression he was straight

[Lauren]

Originally posted by Psylocke
I know this sounds funny,but in actuality,the toilet thing is quite common in in "Gay scene" Im not talking about gay people,Im talking about the "Scene".It goes back to the times when being was illegal and the only ay you could get a slap and a tickle was in a toilet.sad but true.

Yeah, I know public toilet and Hampstead Heath etc are still popular places for that (as we see in the media, constantly!) - but the programme presented it as if all the characters were cocaine sniffing toilet cruisers.

And about that character that beat them up - I got the impression he was gay? :conf: I dunno, I got confused with that storyline!

[BBEyeSpy]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by BBEyeSpy
wasn't it the gay people beating each other up

i didn't understand the guy that just went around beating people it like he didn't like gay people but he was gay Thats not how I saw it.... he got hiskicks out of beating the c**p out of them. I was under the impression he was straight

but wasnt he at a gay club at the begining

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by Lauren

And about that character that beat them up - I got the impression he was gay? :conf: I dunno, I got confused with that storyline!

Originally posted by BBEyeSpy

but wasnt he at a gay club at the begining Now your both confusing me.....:puzzled: lol

Why would a gay guy beat up another gay guy and call him all the offensive names under the sun and spit on him after pissing on him :puzzled::puzzled::puzzled:

[BBEyeSpy]

Originally posted by quizwiz
[quote]Originally posted by Lauren
Why would a gay guy beat up another gay guy and call him all the offensive names under the sun and spit on him after pissing on him :puzzled::puzzled::puzzled:

i though he might have been beating them up because he was angry he was gay

[~Kizwiz~]

Originally posted by BBEyeSpy

i though he might have been beating them up because he was angry he was gay But why did he leave the bloke to bleed to death after finding him and stealing his ring

I feel I need to go on a bit of a surf to try and figure this out

[BBEyeSpy]

it was all a bit Compelecated because the director was trying to make all the story line interlink

[Lauren]

Originally posted by kizwiz
Originally posted by BBEyeSpy

i though he might have been beating them up because he was angry he was gay But why did he leave the bloke to bleed to death after finding him and stealing his ring

I feel I need to go on a bit of a surf to try and figure this out

If you solve this little puzzle post it in here please :hugesmile: I was watching this with my mate and he thought the beaty-up man was gay too, and was beating others up out of shame?

[BBEyeSpy]

i think every main charactor that was a man was gay

[*Adäm]

I saw the guy as Straight, and he went to the Gay Club to entice other Gay men to beat them up. Then, in the end, he got his cum-uppence!

Also, at no point did an erect penis appear in this programme.

It was a very interesting look and representation of how a lot of people still treat Gay Men in Britain. Which is a shame really.

*Adäm x

[BBEyeSpy]

Originally posted by *Adäm
I saw the guy as Straight, and he went to the Gay Club to entice other Gay men to beat them up. Then, in the end, he got his cum-uppence!

Also, at no point did an erect penis appear in this programme.

It was a very interesting look and representation of how a lot of people still treat Gay Men in Britain. Which is a shame really.

*Adäm x

we aready done this i have posted a screenshot which has now be taken off ask kizwiz and lauren if you dont believe me

[*Adäm]

Yes, it would not be classed as fully erect. It was semi. Which they can get away with in certain circumstances.

You do have a penis right? :whistle:

*Adäm x

[BBEyeSpy]

Originally posted by *Adäm
Yes, it would not be classed as fully erect. It was semi. Which they can get away with in certain circumstances.

You do have a penis right? :whistle:

*Adäm x

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[*Adäm]

That's all well and true, but that's just a guideline for broadcasters to try and stay in. I also watched the programme you referred to which mentioned that Guideline. And that's all it is, a Guideline. Meaning, it can be slightly altered.

The only way Channel 4 or the Clapham Junction makers would get in trouble from it, is if a certain number of viewers complained. Which I don't personally think will happen.

*Adäm x

[~Kizwiz~]

It wasnt erect...it was a semi..... and yes, I have seen one.... you dont get pregnant without coming into contact with one....lol

On the issue of the beating charater.... I am still looking but what I have come across doesnt make things any clearer......

"the self-loathing psycho who loves his Nan but commits acts of random violence against other gay men"


“Going about his day-to-day business, my character Terry is just a normal guy,” continues Nicholls. “He lives with his nan and looks after her – his mum abandoned him when he was a kid. He goes to this gay club, picks someone up – and then commits a hideous act of violence against this guy. It’s like, where did that come from?” - quote from Paul Nicholls
Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2007/07/21/nosplit/bvtvclapham21.xml)

"Starring former EastEnders actor Paul Nicholls (photo) as a brutal gay-basher" Quote (http://www.treadawaybrothers.com/modules.php?name=News&file=print&sid=118)

[~Kizwiz~]

Ok... a little bit more and it becomes slightly clearer.....

"Elyot made his central villain more interesting than them. Played with sinister aplomb by the former EastEnder Paul Nicholls, Terry was the kind of maniac who is kind to his granny, a thug who had turned revulsion at his own homosexuality into a vendetta against practising gay men. Terry, it was suggested, was a victim of society’s attitudes, too."

Times Online (http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/tv_and_radio/article2113410.ece)

[Jack]

Originally posted by Psylocke
Originally posted by Jackboi89
Originally posted by Psylocke
and anyone who says "eww" to the naked body

Unless you're a straight guy.

Umm maybe you should replace "straight guy" with "immature guy" or "need to grow up a little more guy" or "im so lacking confidence in my own naked body,i dont want to see anyone elses to remind me how puny i really am guy"

:)

I thought we were talking about seeing erect penises on TV? Being heterosexual, I would rather not see that. It's my opinion. Don't insult me for it.

[Sunny_01]

is it the penis or the context in which it was shown that you did not like watching?

[BBEyeSpy]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
is it the penis or the context in which it was shown that you did not like watching?

basically i started it off by say channel4 are going to be in trouble again

because you are not allowed to broadcast an erected penis

[Jack]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
is it the penis or the context in which it was shown that you did not like watching?

The context. I don't mean "ewww" as in it disgusts me either, I'd just rather not see it.

[Jack]

Originally posted by BBEyeSpy
Originally posted by Sunny_01
is it the penis or the context in which it was shown that you did not like watching?

basically i started it off by say channel4 are going to be in trouble again

because you are not allowed to broadcast an erected penis

It wasn't exactly erect though.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Jackboi89
Originally posted by Sunny_01
is it the penis or the context in which it was shown that you did not like watching?

The context. I don't mean "ewww" as in it disgusts me either, I'd just rather not see it.

I can get you there, I am often uncomfortable with things I see on TV and that doesnt make you small minded or childish at all. It simply means it is something you would rather not see, simple really

[BBEyeSpy]

Originally posted by Jackboi89
Originally posted by BBEyeSpy
Originally posted by Sunny_01
is it the penis or the context in which it was shown that you did not like watching?

basically i started it off by say channel4 are going to be in trouble again

because you are not allowed to broadcast an erected penis

It wasn't exactly erect though.

no but it was past the allowed amount

[Jack]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
Originally posted by Jackboi89
Originally posted by Sunny_01
is it the penis or the context in which it was shown that you did not like watching?

The context. I don't mean "ewww" as in it disgusts me either, I'd just rather not see it.

I can get you there, I am often uncomfortable with things I see on TV and that doesnt make you small minded or childish at all. It simply means it is something you would rather not see, simple really

Thanks :thumbs:

For example if I was watching it with my mum or dad who often watch TV with me, I'd have probably wanted to leave the room because I was that uncomfortable. It doesn't mean I'm immature.

[Lauren]

Originally posted by BBEyeSpy
Originally posted by Jackboi89
Originally posted by BBEyeSpy
Originally posted by Sunny_01
is it the penis or the context in which it was shown that you did not like watching?

basically i started it off by say channel4 are going to be in trouble again

because you are not allowed to broadcast an erected penis

It wasn't exactly erect though.

no but it was past the allowed amount

The "allowed" amount are just flexible guidelines though?

[Sunny_01]

there is a huge difference between "guidelines" and rules - guidelin can be open to interpretation, rules are to be followed

[BBEyeSpy]

Originally posted by Jackboi89
Originally posted by Sunny_01
Originally posted by Jackboi89
Originally posted by Sunny_01
is it the penis or the context in which it was shown that you did not like watching?

The context. I don't mean "ewww" as in it disgusts me either, I'd just rather not see it.

I can get you there, I am often uncomfortable with things I see on TV and that doesnt make you small minded or childish at all. It simply means it is something you would rather not see, simple really

Thanks :thumbs:

For example if I was watching it with my mum or dad who often watch TV with me, I'd have probably wanted to leave the room because I was that uncomfortable. It doesn't mean I'm immature.

i wouldnt want to watch it with my mum and dad but i would shout ewwwww

[BBEyeSpy]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
there is a huge difference between "guidelines" and rules - guidelin can be open to interpretation, rules are to be followed

who said they were guidelines i interpreted them as rule

[Jack]

Originally posted by BBEyeSpy
i wouldnt want to watch it with my mum and dad but i would shout ewwwww

I didn't say I'd shout "ewww", I'd just be uncomfortable watching it.

[BBEyeSpy]

Originally posted by Jackboi89
Originally posted by BBEyeSpy
i wouldnt want to watch it with my mum and dad but i would shout ewwwww

I didn't say I'd shout "ewww", I'd just be uncomfortable watching it.

then i think people misunderstood you then

as you are entitled to your own opinion

[Jack]

Originally posted by BBEyeSpy
Originally posted by Jackboi89
Originally posted by BBEyeSpy
i wouldnt want to watch it with my mum and dad but i would shout ewwwww

I didn't say I'd shout "ewww", I'd just be uncomfortable watching it.

then i think people misunderstood you then

as you are entitled to your own opinion

I always get misunderstood so don't worry. It's actually quite difficult to express yourself on a forum. Which is one of the reasons why I hate it when people jump on you and bash you when they misunderstand your point.

[Sunny_01]

The Braodcasting Act is a set of guidelines

[*Adäm]

Like i explained earlier....

*Adäm x

[BBEyeSpy]

Originally posted by Sunny_01
The Braodcasting Act is a set of guidelines

well i would say the penis was more that semi-erect
and was way higher above the guildline (if it is a guileline)

[*Adäm]

Yes, and as i said earlier, even if it is above the guideline, it doesn't make it illegal. As a guideline is not a rule or law. It is just a guide.

*Adäm x

[BBEyeSpy]

but the could get told off for it

[Jack]

Originally posted by BBEyeSpy
but the could get told off for it

They did use the appropriate warnings after the ad breaks so I don't think they'll "get told of for it". They may get some complaints but nothing serious.

[Sam!]

God does it matter lol its a cock on the telly oo, When Jodie Marsh is on telly u dunt complain lol

[BBEyeSpy]

jodie marsh was the best celeb constant ever

[Sam!]

Originally posted by BBEyeSpy
jodie marsh was the best celeb constant ever

:yuk::yuk::yuk::puzzled::puzzled::puzzled:

Nah lol Pete Burns or Shilpa was

[BBEyeSpy]

jodie and pete were my favorate celebs