lisas attack

[liliacqueen]

as much as i dont like her i felt sorry for her when she had that attack at first i thought she was fakeing it but then believed she actually was haveing trouble breathing

[LEE]

I haven't had chance to watch any BB today, haven't seen BBLB either.

What attack? What happened?

[radiohead]

She had like a hayfever asthma type like attack and i thought she was faking it too liliacquuen but it was obvious she was in some pain and it wasnt nice! :spin2:

[liliacqueen]

it happened because of the heat and nerves of the task i felt really sorry for her

[steve_o]

The only one's really bothered about her were Nush and Ray. I couldn't believe the face on Cameron, this from a so called Christian, were was he when she needed some help. I must say that Lisa's brought out a different side to Cameron and Steph. They are not all sweetness after all. :shocked: They are human, well I think anyway. :thumbs:

:spin:

[liliacqueen]

i think they are nice but they have the nast sides which are showing now

[rachb]

hmmm I didn't believe her,if she felt so ill why did she have a cigarette afterwards?
I think its all part of her game plan,she didn't want to be responsible for them failing the task so she pulled a sickie:nono:
its Gos that has been quite ill for ages but he managed it,he's had a cough since he went in but still took part in the task:nono:
ok rant over back to be nice now:love::laugh::love:
I do think its showing the others in a bad light but thats what her plan is

[liliacqueen]

it could of been edited her haveing a cigrette

[radiohead]

Yea nasty sides showing the shows getting good now! Cameron didnt seem impressed with his one badge type thing!

[sweetlittlesara]

I actually think that it was quite genuine.

Firstly I dont see how she would have known that Big Brother would not let her do the task and also because she seemed quite upset when she couldnt join in.

Also I have had similar attacks in the past and I know that it is awful and you just cant breathe and think that it would be quite impossible to pretend to do.

[rachb]

The other thing she said aswell if you noticed was when talking to bb she said she hadn't had an attack or hayfever for 15 years :thumbs:then later in the conversation she said it had happened lots recently:conf::conf:
if it was real i'm sure she could have waited a while for another cigarette,she smokes like a chimney maybe now would be a good time to give up:thumbs:
and why did bb not give her an inhaler:conf:
my mum has asthma its awfull and anyone that really suffers would have known what to do,she should have asked for help from bb straight away,if it was a real attack she would have needed treatment asap

[steve_o]

It's pretty bad if people just sit there and did nothing whether it's true or not, if she'd have dropped down dead or something, would people be saying she pulled a fast one then, I don't think so. Cameron sat there looking like he didn't give a toss now thats evil as far as I'm concerned. How were people to know at the time weather she was pulling a fast one or not, it's human nature to help people who are in distress it's only a lousy game show after all, she could have been chewing gum or something and had it stuck in her wind pipe.

[rachb]

although I didn't believe her myself I do agree Steveo,the others should have gone to bb to get help just in case:nono:
I think its shown another side to the other housemates,I'm sure if I had been there even if I wasn't sure I would have helped her:thumbs:It could have been very serious

[liliacqueen]

i would of gone to get help straight away after leaveing her with some one to keep a eye on her

[radiohead]

Yeah, so would i because she may have actually collapsed there if it had been bad! l

[steve_o]

If look's could kill, Is this the nice Guy Cam, this picture say's it all. It's pretty bad, like some old wild west preacher. Lay off thou fags, or the rath of god will smite thy down. Come off it Cameron. :conf:

[blinkinlovely]

Sorry - I didn't believe the incident for ONE minute.
Lisa made so much noise when having that "asthma" atttack. She didn't once ask for an inhaler, which all asthmatics wouls carry (even if it was a mild case). T
the smoking!!

She didn't even support the group during the task - just casting a mildly interested glance towards the prancing HMs


Sorry she's a totaol fake.

PS Good Pic, steve!:wavey:

[liliacqueen]

i agree i dont like her at all

[Sticks]

Playing Devils Advocate :devil:

This was a stress induced asthma attack. I am a non smoke, but what I am told is that smoking gives short term relief from stress, even though the withdrawl symptoms from niccotine add to that stress. In this sense the smoking may have been a strange way of doing self medication.

also it could have been editing ....

[Stu xxx]

i must say i have had coughing fits in the past and i often have a ciggie straight after because it in some weird way it does seem to calm everything down x Plus i don't think she actually said she had an asthma attack everyone is just jumping to that conclusion - This summer is supposed to be the worst year ever for hayfever and i don't know about anyone else but my chest has become extremley tight over the last few weeks - a symptom i have never experienced before! i may not like her but i feel it was geniune - leave the poor girl alone x

[AndyJK]

I heard it was caused by hayfever, not asthma. I know Lisa is not everyone's cup of tea, but to presume she would fake anything like that is very extreme. Consider also she was inspected by a doctor who advised her not to take part. Lisa appears to enjoy the limelight, and I can't believe she would want to go to extraordinary lengths to avoid a task.

But let's say to satisfy the conspiracy theorists, she did fake her breathing rpoblems. For what possible purpose may I ask? To avoid possibly failing the task for the house-mates? Is that necessarily a bad thing?

[bananarama]

I think the attack was genuine. Cameron's reaction was really quite sinister. If looks could kill:shocked:

On another posting I indicated I would like Cameron or Nush to win. That's now changed it is only Nush I want to win. After tonights eviction there may be no one in there that I would like to see win:devil:

[Romantic Old Bird]

OK, I have witnesses many asthma attacks in my life professionally, and believe me, this was NOT an Asthma attack.

If it was anything at all, it was hyperventilation. This is what a lot of young people (often 13-16, normally girls) when they get anxious about something - like a broken nail, or someone looking at them 'funny'.

In my opinion it was completely fabricated. It reminded me more than anything of the sort of presentation we see by chronic A&E attenders, 'factitious' illness or Munchausen Syndrome.

I.E. She put it on!!!! I am convinced of this by the amount of times she has rationalised and talked about it.

It was TERRIFICALLY unconvincing.

To be fair, Nush did come to her aid.

OK, the others might not have been too sympathetic, but I think their suspicions were 100% correct.

She tells porkies, and exaggerates all the time.

Whatever else, it was bloody convenient.:nono:

[Stu xxx]

Whatever else, it was bloody convenient


Was it? How?

how did this attack help her in any way shape or form - it ment she couldn't do the task which ment that people would take a disliking to her inside and outisde the house - and she knew this! Did you see her face when they where all doing the task? It was fuming! x This was a geniune attack i beleive

[bananarama]

OK, I have witnesses many asthma attacks in my life professionally, and believe me, this was NOT an Asthma attack.


You just cannot be sure. I am not a professional but my late mother had those attacks (Not asthma) and it sent a chill up my spine to watch it. It was identicle to what I have seen more than enough of over the years.

The others may have thought it to be fake and perhaps it was. But there is no way they coud be sure so it was quite sinister expecially Cameron by adopting an I don't care won't help stance.:shocked:

[Stu xxx]

But did Lisa actually say it was a Asthma attack? x

[steve_o]

Cameron tonight on bblb was saying in the diary room how he'd have liked to have put his hands round her throat and squeezed the life out of her, then said he was only joking Well thank goodness for that I expected a lightning bolt straight through the roof. There's one good thing about Lisa, she's brought the better side out of him. :thumbs: I reckon he's well put out because he's not the centre of attention after his Africa trip anymore. I've never been a cam fan but I did think he was alright when he went there, now I'm just gob smacked. :shocked: This is what you get through trying to be a goody two shoes all the time. I do think were starting to see the real Cameron now warts and all at last. :dance:

:spin:

[AndyJK]

You're right Steve, Cam has been a different person since he came back from BBA house. There has been a slightly darker side emerge and I am sure sooner or later he and Lisa and go to at each other hammer and tongs. Perhaps he has always considered himself the unofficial leader of the house, and now he feels that position is being threatened since the arrival of Lisa who seems to be willing to put Cam in his place.

[peachy]

well, I'm with you ROB, I thought it was 100% fake. It even struck me as being a set-up. I started to think she was planted there by BB precisely to stir things up and was promised she wouldn't have to do the tasks. I know this is far-fetched but that so-called attack was so false.

As for what she gained from it well she didn't have to do the blessed task did she? I think that was her aim and she was not best pleased when they won without her. I think she thought they'd fail. She is so unbeleievably arrogant she would believe that.

I don't blame Cameron for detesting her. She is everything he has been brought up to dislike. Arrogant, boastful, and the biggest liar in the world. In fact, she is almost TOO awful. To me it's as if she's been told to behave in as unpleasant a manner as possible.

[AndyJK]

Peachy, you have a point on Cam and I must admit if I was in the same house with Lisa, I'd probably feel the same way as him. But as a viewer I'm interested to see how people react to one another; this is why I am keen to see a bit of arguing, bitching and friction developing and I don't mean that in a nasty way at all. Lisa appears to be providing this, and it beats watching other house-mates stuffing their faces with food and sitting around sun bathing, and that's why I would like Lisa to remain in the house as long as possible.

As for her 'fake coughing', I can understand why some of you are making assumptions that it was put on. Lisa is certainly a mysterious character to evaluate even for the most distinguished of psychologist, and therefore I can not say with concrete proof that her coughing fit was 100 % genuine.

[peachy]

I'm actually right with you, Andy (love your avatar, BTW, it makes me laugh every time I see it) although I think Lisa is appalling. She told Nush earlier that she 'got max respect at school for her skill and superb wit'! I do think that she is making the programme more interesting to watch. It was all too cosy before, anything which makes Scott actually have an opinion on something, and makes Cameron and Steph drop their fake politeness will do it for me. Keep her in I say!

[BusyBee]

That 'asthma' attack was exactly the same thing as my daughter gets when she gets stressed about something. She hyperventilates and just needs to breathe into a paper bag slowly for a while.

What got me was the fact that not long after there she was smoking again.

I know it sounds bitchy but I can do a perfect impression of how she sounded without too much difficulty.

I'm sorry she may have stirred things up in the house, but she annoys me with her me me me me attitude and she always looks as though she is summing people up and judging them when she looks at them. Another gimmick to bring the ratings up.

[Grotbag]

On the E4 feeds, Lisa said it was an asthma attack. I am asthmatic and I can honestly say that having an attack is THE most frightning this I have ever experienced in my life.

At asthma attack causes the sufferer to experience trouble breathing out, not breathing in. Lisa was struggling to breath in. What I found most strange was that she walked into the house, made no effort to loosen her clothes (10 points to Nush, she did all the right things) and carried on trying to talk. The first time I had an attack, I paniced (suprise), grabed my throat, sat down in the middle of the floor and had a real job to calm myself down.

I think that BB was slow in acting, but I do think that there was a certain amount of play acting going on. Throughout the afternoon, she changed her story several times between this hasn't happend for 15 years, to this happens alot lately, its ashtma, is hayfever, its the heat.

If it was asthma and she'd had it before she'd have an inhaler, BB would have known she was asthmatic from her medical check and she'd have known what was happening, sat her self down and got on with it. Bearing in mind that asthma/wheezing/hyperventilating leaves you short of air, and that smoking slows your breathing and cuts down on your oxygen - why oh why would you have a fag? My friend is asthmatic and smokes 30 a day but even she can't have a fag all day after an attack...

But it anycase, if you found that this was happening to you a lot - wouldn't you see a doctor?

Just my thoughts......

[Romantic Old Bird]

Absolutely, the asthma sufferer cannot EXHALE effectively during an attack.

A coughing fit I would find more convincing, as she has a marked smoker's cough, and is heading for trouble if she doesn't stop soon.

She may spoil her classical beauty which is, apparently, the toast of Cardiff as well.


Sorry, she was not in ANY distress.

Her colour was good, she didn't loosen her clothing around her neck, she wasn't clammy, and, most of all, just after, she had a fag!!!!!

She hadn't had hay fever for fifteen years, then suddenly she had it.

It was indeed convenient for getting out of the task.

Seriously, this girl was not ill, and actually, the hyperventilation was contrived.

Hyperventilation is when you inhale vigorously, but do not exhale effectively. This makes you a little dizzy and light headed. It is completely harmless, because even if you don't calm down, the worst thing that will happen is a faint, during which you resume normal breathing patterns and recover rapidly.

Lisa was not this bad. She had been making the sorts of hints all day of being ill that people do the day before they want to throw a sickie. She recovered as soon as she was excused.


She is giving us something to talk about though....

[steve_o]

yeah :thumbs: but Cameron could be choking the life out of her at this very time and there's no cameras on him to prove it. There's no getting away from his mad Preacher face thou have brought thy own ruin on thy self from smoking too many fags, don't come to thy for symathy face though, thy lord will smit thy down thy brassen husy, sorry but's that what he reminded me off. All said and done. :thumbs::laugh:

:spin:

[Stu xxx]

It was indeed convenient for getting out of the task.


:mad: Why? ? ? It just put her in bad stead with the housemates!!!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad: You wouldn't do that - the task wasn't exactly diffiicult and it was onl;y because the doctor advised it!!!!!!!!!! AAHHHHH! x

[sweetlittlesara]

I really dont think it was faked because I cant see why she would have done that. As was seen it just caused annoyance to the housemates and meant that Lisa couldnt do anything to help win the task.

I have said before that I have had similar "attacks" mostly when I get upset and paniked about something and it has nothing to do with asthma or hayfever.