Racial favouritism

[Jim]

I found this on the web today:

You call me:
"white racist names [not appropriate for the forum]"
and you think it's OK.

But when I call you:
"black racist names [not appropriate for the forum]"
you call me a racist.

--You have the United Negro College Fund.
--You have Martin Luther King Day.
--You have Black History Month.
--You have Cesar Chavez Day.
--You have Yom Hashoah
--You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi
--You have the NAACP.
--You have BET.

--If we had WET(white entertainment television) ...we'd be racist.
--If we had a White Pride Day... you would call us racist.
--If we had white history month... we'd be racist.
--If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives... we'd be racist.
--If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships...you know we'd be racist.
--In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights...you would call us racist.
--Did you know that some high school students decided to make a club for only the white students because the other ethnicities had them. they all got sent to court for being racist but the african-american, Latino, and Asia clubs were not even questioned.
--You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.

Why is it that only whites can be racists?



WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS?

[Dr43%er]

Do you feel oppressed? Thats all you have to ask.

[Noopie]

Even though what you're saying is technically probably true, I hate people who say this, it just makes them look racist themselves.

[Ann]

that is true words said there Noopie i agree 1000% :bigsmile:

[Sunny_01]

You see in our day and age of political correctness it seems wrong that there can be such things identified as being "black only" or "asian only" etc.. yet like the thread says if we had clubs for "whites" it would be wrong, I ask why? why are we the only people who do not get to acknowledge the colour of our skin if we do so desire (I am not bothered lol)

[tinkerbell]

I completly agree with you Jim, i was watching Epic movie the other day and they were clalin woman White BItch...... the black guy was aswell but naah its fiineee but oh noooo when they clal someone a black bitch the whole world collapses...

[the_chosen_one]

If we could all just learn to hate everyone equally, there wouldn't be a problem.

[spitfire]

Jim your so right.A lot of English people are even scared to celebrate St Georges day through fear of being called a racist.Wave your flag i say.Be proud of who you are,no matter what colour or nationality you are. http://i11.tinypic.com/61mhwcn.gif

[cansei]

Racism is such a Horrible thing :(

[spitfire]

Originally posted by cansei
Racism is such a Horrible thing :(
Agreed but what all the PC twits should realise is that their is a difference between racism and patriotism.

[gracie24]

My friend's neighbour had an England flag hanging out of his window during the World Cup last year and someone in the same street who was from an ethnic background complained about it saying he found it offensive and the guy with the flag was made to take it down.

We're not even allowed to be patriotic :rolleyes:

[Princess]

^That ridiculous! We always have flags hanging out over here when football/hurling/GAA is on.

Political correctioness is ridiculous.

[Holograms]

I agree with everything you said like people cant even sing bah bah black sheep anymore as a black person finds it offensive its stupid.

[InTheFade]

Originally posted by Holograms
I agree with everything you said like people cant even sing bah bah black sheep anymore as a black person finds it offensive its stupid.

I don't think that's true, I doubt the majority of black people find 'baa baa black sheep' offensive at all, I think the government is paranoid that black people will find it offensive.

[Sunny_01]

I think you hit the nail on the head in the fade! most of this cultural/racial divide is caused by politicians and people in local government who sit in their offices wondering what madness to throw at us next.

If basic respect was the norm then there would not be the problems we are faced with today. Most black people I know would not be offended by bah bah black sheep, it's a nursery rhyme with no underlying racial undertones, it's people in government who are the ones that make it appear that way!

[sarahtheangel]

when i was a dinner lady ,we were told not to say black mans pinch , jim will no what i mean . we had to then call it blood blistor .

[spitfire]

Originally posted by InTheFade
Originally posted by Holograms
I agree with everything you said like people cant even sing bah bah black sheep anymore as a black person finds it offensive its stupid.

I don't think that's true, I doubt the majority of black people find 'baa baa black sheep' offensive at all, I think the government is paranoid that black people will find it offensive. Very very true.This is why groups like the BNP are gaining so many votes not because of racism but because of PC gone mad.

[the_stillness]

I think it's ridiculous really that soooooo many people worry about all of this nonsense. My best friend is white, but he has an Asian wife who is simply wonderful and I go round to their house often and she is so chatty and hospitable and friendly and such a nice person. She is Asian and she is a human being just like the rest of us. Her skin is not white, but sooooooo what. I was talking one day about the subject of Race, well, there was about four of us actually and she said that friends of her's own a newsagents and one day she went in to buy some magazines and suddenly while browsing through them, she heard the guy behind the counter who is also Asian saying nasty comments about a white customer right in front of his face in his Urdu language and the white english only speaking customer is totally unaware of this. Anyway, she had a right go at the shopkeeper and accused the Asian man of being racist to the customer and using the Language-Barrier as a weapon. I don't agree that all persons who have a different skin colour to white are racist or not racist and same thing applies to white people. We shouldn't label a race or say - colour of skin, we should say INDIVIDUALS and leave it at that

[Ruth]

Originally posted by InTheFade
Originally posted by Holograms
I agree with everything you said like people cant even sing bah bah black sheep anymore as a black person finds it offensive its stupid.

I don't think that's true, I doubt the majority of black people find 'baa baa black sheep' offensive at all, I think the government is paranoid that black people will find it offensive.

That is so true. Most of the things deemed offensive are actually called that by the powers that be, who are just going too far and making issues where there aren't any. I have a lot of Muslim friends for example, who would never find anything like that offensive, and actually get annoyed when people say that such things are offensive.

[InTheFade]

Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by InTheFade
Originally posted by Holograms
I agree with everything you said like people cant even sing bah bah black sheep anymore as a black person finds it offensive its stupid.

I don't think that's true, I doubt the majority of black people find 'baa baa black sheep' offensive at all, I think the government is paranoid that black people will find it offensive.

That is so true. Most of the things deemed offensive are actually called that by the powers that be, who are just going too far and making issues where there aren't any. I have a lot of Muslim friends for example, who would never find anything like that offensive, and actually get annoyed when people say that such things are offensive.

Yeah, in a way, it's really patronising of the government.

[sexy_leigh]

i' m a black girl who has friends from different ethnic groups my best friend is white, i don't care what your skin colour is if anyone calls me the n word or "coloured" theres hell to pay, i admit every ethnic group is some what racist like my dad who isn't fond of white people but most racism comes from the whites, as you don't see black people or asian people having groups such as the kkk OR the bnp in the words of martin luther king "can't we all just get along???" i can't believe racism is still here, why can't people judge other people by thier personality and not by the colour of thier skin because if that was the case then this world would be a better plae for everyone!!!!

[Ruth]

Originally posted by sexy_leigh
i' m a black girl who has friends from different ethnic groups my best friend is white, i don't care what your skin colour is if anyone calls me the n word or "coloured" theres hell to pay, i admit every ethnic group is some what racist like my dad who isn't fond of white people but most racism comes from the whites, as you don't see black people or asian people having groups such as the kkk OR the bnp in the words of martin luther king "can't we all just get along???" i can't believe racism is still here, why can't people judge other people by thier personality and not by the colour of thier skin because if that was the case then this world would be a better plae for everyone!!!!

That's an offensive post. Most white people are as disgusted by the the KKK as you are. Aren't you being racist by making assumptions about white people? (And I bet you would be offended if I said, "the blacks" in the way that you have said "the whites.")

What colour is Robert Mugabe?

I agree that everybody should judge each other by who they are, not the colour of their skin - have you told your dad that?

The killings of Stephen Lawrence and Anthony Walker were shocking crimes, based on race. Do you know how many white people have been murdered in recent years in racist attacks?

[Dr43%er]

but most racism comes from the whites, as you don't see black people or asian people having groups such as the kkk OR the bnp



The Nation of Islam, led by Minister Louis Farrakhan. He has a long record of anti-Semitic and anti-white statements.

Idi Amin. The Ugandan leader who kicked all the Asians out of the country.

Al Sharpton. American "black activist" with a long history of making anti white, gay, Jewish remarks.

There are now many reports of Asian groups fighting with Black groups for no other reason than they are different colours. Is that "the whites" being racist again?

There are areas round some cities in the UK where as a white person you would have to be ****in mental to walk round at night.

I have been called a "white piece of **** by a group of Asian lads. Does that make me the racist?

To say whites are more racist than any other group is ridiculous. You have racists in all walks of life from all ethnic backgrounds.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by sexy_leigh
i admit every ethnic group is some what racist like my dad who isn't fond of white people but most racism comes from the whites, as you don't see black people or asian people having groups such as the kkk OR the bnp

So you have a racist father yet you claim most racism comes from whites.

Hmmmm,
try getting in between an indian and a pakistani group having an argument and watch those racial epithets fly.

and lest we forget all the anti-white and anti-semitic materials that form the basis of The Nation Of Islam in the USA.

We live in a society crippled by political correctness and there are some very opportune folk happy to exploit that chip on their shoulder to play the martyr - they are not white and in my book they are no different from the likes of the BNP.

Racism is racism regardless of the source - and elements within all ethnic groups practice it.

the problem is some people refuse to recognise racism if it comes from a non-caucasian - and therein lies the problem

[sexy_leigh]

Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by sexy_leigh
i' m a black girl who has friends from different ethnic groups my best friend is white, i don't care what your skin colour is if anyone calls me the n word or "coloured" theres hell to pay, i admit every ethnic group is some what racist like my dad who isn't fond of white people but most racism comes from the whites, as you don't see black people or asian people having groups such as the kkk OR the bnp in the words of martin luther king "can't we all just get along???" i can't believe racism is still here, why can't people judge other people by thier personality and not by the colour of thier skin because if that was the case then this world would be a better plae for everyone!!!!

That's an offensive post. Most white people are as disgusted by the the KKK as you are. Aren't you being racist by making assumptions about white people? (And I bet you would be offended if I said, "the blacks" in the way that you have said "the whites.")

What colour is Robert Mugabe?

I agree that everybody should judge each other by who they are, not the colour of their skin - have you told your dad that?

The killings of Stephen Lawrence and Anthony Walker were shocking crimes, based on race. Do you know how many white people have been murdered in recent years in racist attacks?
seeing my post now was quite offensive, but if a group of racists people beat you up so badly that you had to go to hostpital and they also called you the WORST RACIST names you can ever think of then wouldn't you be scared to even walk down the street cos thats what happened to my dad in the early 80's, also you have racists areas such as bermondesy when the bnp is, and i do think that you get racism from all ethnic groups but with the bnp their getting more members everyday so that telling something, and to dr3%er the asians and blacks only fight over stupideness not because of racism, and with what african americans were put through AFTER slavery such as having the kkk lynching black people like it was a bloody hobby and it still goes on today in the south such as alabama and mississpi i would be bloody surprised if the african americans such as al sharpton DIDN'T dislike white people!

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by sexy_leigh

the asians and blacks only fight over stupideness not because of racism,

Originally posted by sexy_leigh
and with what african americans were put through AFTER slavery such as having the kkk lynching black people like it was a bl***y hobby and it still goes on today in the south such as alabama and mississpi i would be bl***y surprised if the african americans such as al sharpton DIDN'T dislike white people!

Earlier you quoted Dr King,
well, after the "stupideness" comment, I would expect him to be turning in his grave when his words are used to make a point by someone who would say such a thing and be serious about it. You appear to be affected with some kind of elitism, would you care to clarify which of the "Asians and Blacks" are stupid and which are not

Secondly - would you care to provide links to the stunning revelation that the KKK are still lynching black people today in the deep south - I'm pretty certain news organisations in the USA and our very own BBC would be happy to follow up such an exclusive revelation...link please.

the last reference to a confirmed KKK lynching I can find is from 1981, yet the perpetrators were caught and executed, so i am sure law enforcement would be grateful to receive the information also.

[Dr43%er]

and to dr3%er the asians and blacks only fight over stupideness not because of racism,
If you believe that then you are very naive. Sorry.



and with what african americans were put through AFTER slavery such as having the kkk lynching black people like it was a bl***y hobby and it still goes on today in the south such as alabama and mississpi i would be bl***y surprised if the african americans such as al sharpton DIDN'T dislike white people!


So it is ok to dislike all white people because of the actions of a few? That is racism. In the same way that i would be racist if I disliked all Asian people because I was abused by those 4 Asian lads.

I all so refuse to be blamed for something that happened a couple
of hundred years before I was born.

I can not stand the BNP and what they stand for, but I see no difference between The BNP and the Nation of Islam. They both want advancement of there own kind at the cost of others not like them.

Oh, and back to Sharpton. I take it he and "his people" have been oppressed over the years by "the Gays" so it's not surprising he does not like them too?

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Jim
I found this on the web today:

You call me:
"white racist names [not appropriate for the forum]"
and you think it's OK.

But when I call you:
"black racist names [not appropriate for the forum]"
you call me a racist.

--You have the United Negro College Fund.
--You have Martin Luther King Day.
--You have Black History Month.
--You have Cesar Chavez Day.
--You have Yom Hashoah
--You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi
--You have the NAACP.
--You have BET.

--If we had WET(white entertainment television) ...we'd be racist.
--If we had a White Pride Day... you would call us racist.
--If we had white history month... we'd be racist.
--If we had an organization for only whites to "advance" our lives... we'd be racist.
--If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships...you know we'd be racist.
--In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights...you would call us racist.
--Did you know that some high school students decided to make a club for only the white students because the other ethnicities had them. they all got sent to court for being racist but the african-american, Latino, and Asia clubs were not even questioned.
--You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.

Why is it that only whites can be racists?



WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT THIS?

You found this where? Do you have a link?

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Sunny_01

there can be such things identified as being "black only" or "asian only" etc..


Can you give some examples please to help me understand?

[Dr43%er]

"You found this where? Do you have a link?"

Probably here. Not safe for work. White supremacist scum site.

http://www.skrewdriver.net/

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by gracie24
My friend's neighbour had an England flag hanging out of his window during the World Cup last year and someone in the same street who was from an ethnic background complained about it saying he found it offensive and the guy with the flag was made to take it down.

We're not even allowed to be patriotic :rolleyes:

I always have my flags out during The world cup and on St Georges day. It's the BNP who unfortunately use the English flag to front their campaign of hate.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Dr43%er

Probably here. Not safe for work. White supremacist scum site.

http://www.skrewdriver.net/


Thanks, but I don't even want to look at that crap. I ask because I see that the OP has not taken part in this discussion at all and has mentioned stuff about "we" and "you". I wanted to know if this was a quote from a site they were looking at and what it actually is. Would be interesting to see the source. I also would like to know what the members thoughts were when starting this thread.

[Psylocke]

i remember when Geri Halliwell wore that iconic Union Jack Dress at the Brits all those years ago,she had to stitch a peace sign in the back of it to make sure people knew she wasnt being racist.

i find that ridiculous.

Everyone should be proud of and display your flag.

[Dr43%er]

I got this a while back. I think the irony of a white Australian complaining about people coming to Australia and changing the way they lived was lost on them.

There is a rising resentment towards our "multicultural" immigration system. The Aussies have taken a tough stand. Seems to me we could well emulate them. Any immigrant must accept our ways,values,way of life etc. If they cant do that , don't take them in. Once accepted no dual citizenship , so they will not be Canadians of convenience that pay no taxes , don ' t espouse Canadian ways , yet expect their second passport ( OURS) to guarantee Canadian support when things go wrong and of course all the "freebies" available.
What a mess we have produced trying to be nice guys. Time to start looking out for our own.
Three Cheers For Australia.......take time to read it, HOW FANTASTIC. Canada, USA, NZ, UK are you with us?
Three Cheers For Australia
Those Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.
A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown.
Treasurer Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state and its laws were made by parliament. "If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you," he said on national television.
"I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia, one the Australian law and another the Islamic law, that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary
law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option," Costello said.
Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country.
Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should "clear off".
"Basically, people who don't want to be Australians, and they don't want to live by Australian values and understand them, well then they can basically clear off," he said. Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques.
AMERICA and Canada..... ARE YOU LISTENING?
Quote: IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.
However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the "politically correct" crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia. However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.
This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. As Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle. This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom.
We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society, Learn the language!
Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push but a fact because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home. Because God is part of our culture.
We will accept your beliefs and will not question why, all we ask is that you accept ours and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.
If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like " A Fair Go", then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means keep your culture but do not force it on others.
This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, "THE RIGHT TO LEAVE".
If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here.
You asked to be here, so accept the country YOU accepted.
Pretty easy really, when you think about it. I figure if we all keep passing this to our friends it will also, sooner or later get back to the complainers, lets all try, please.

PLEASE PASS THIS ON. PERHAPS WE CAN CREATE A GROUND SWELL AND SEND OUR POLITICIANS THE MESSAGE THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF US BELIEVE AS THE AUSSIES DO.........

[Ruth]

Originally posted by sexy_leigh
Originally posted by Ruth
Originally posted by sexy_leigh
i' m a black girl who has friends from different ethnic groups my best friend is white, i don't care what your skin colour is if anyone calls me the n word or "coloured" theres hell to pay, i admit every ethnic group is some what racist like my dad who isn't fond of white people but most racism comes from the whites, as you don't see black people or asian people having groups such as the kkk OR the bnp in the words of martin luther king "can't we all just get along???" i can't believe racism is still here, why can't people judge other people by thier personality and not by the colour of thier skin because if that was the case then this world would be a better plae for everyone!!!!

That's an offensive post. Most white people are as disgusted by the the KKK as you are. Aren't you being racist by making assumptions about white people? (And I bet you would be offended if I said, "the blacks" in the way that you have said "the whites.")

What colour is Robert Mugabe?

I agree that everybody should judge each other by who they are, not the colour of their skin - have you told your dad that?

The killings of Stephen Lawrence and Anthony Walker were shocking crimes, based on race. Do you know how many white people have been murdered in recent years in racist attacks?
seeing my post now was quite offensive, but if a group of racists people beat you up so badly that you had to go to hostpital and they also called you the WORST RACIST names you can ever think of then wouldn't you be scared to even walk down the street cos thats what happened to my dad in the early 80's, also you have racists areas such as bermondesy when the bnp is, and i do think that you get racism from all ethnic groups but with the bnp their getting more members everyday so that telling something, and to dr3%er the asians and blacks only fight over stupideness not because of racism, and with what african americans were put through AFTER slavery such as having the kkk lynching black people like it was a bl***y hobby and it still goes on today in the south such as alabama and mississpi i would be bl***y surprised if the african americans such as al sharpton DIDN'T dislike white people!

And how do you know that I have not been the victim of racism? You assume that I can't have been, because I'm white?

What about all the racist groups that Dr43%er mentioned? What about the white victims of racist attacks? Clearly, you don't really know what you are talking about.

I'm sorry for what happened to your father, because of a racist minority. However, by people such as yourself and your father assuming that all or most white people are racist, you are not only showing yourself to be racist and naive, but you are helping to keep racism alive and well.

You say that black people and Asians are only fighting because of stupidity, and not racism? Could you please show what this opinion is based on? Because it seems that it is simply based on the fact that it suits what you're saying.

You say that because of what people have suffered at the hands of SOME white people, then it's okay to hate all white people and label them all as racists? Soooo....if a black person or an Asian person commits a crime against me, I can assume that they are racist and that from now on I will hate all black and Asian people?

You are basically saying that only white people can be racist. That in itself is a prejudicial and racist comment. Not only that, but your entire post shows that you are neither intelligent nor mature enough to debate the subject properly.

I suggest you go and check your facts.

[Ruth]

Oh, and seeing as how you conveniently ignored my question - do you know how many white people have been murdered in racist attacks, in recent years?

[gracie24]

It's the government that have made racism what it is today.
They don't see it as we see it.

At my school, there is a girl who is Asian, and a girl who is White, both of them have their noses pierced but the girl who is Asian is allowed to wear hers whereas the girl who is White, was told to take hers out. They are both the same age. Racial favouritism goes on in my school because it is easier for someone from an Ethnic background to play the racism card.

[sexy_leigh]

Originally posted by Ruth
Oh, and seeing as how you conveniently ignored my question - do you know how many white people have been murdered in racist attacks, in recent years?
clearly not alot!!!

[Dr43%er]

clearly not alot!!!


And this is based on? Facts? Guess work? Because it's obvious as black people can't be racist?

I am genuinely interested as to where you have got this information from. Can you post a link please.

[Sunny_01]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by Sunny_01

there can be such things identified as being "black only" or "asian only" etc..


Can you give some examples please to help me understand?

Was not saying I agree with it at all Baz, just saying it appears acceptable not worded very well

Examples are
http://www.mosaicbrighton.org.uk/ this is the kind of thing I was on about, it seems its fine to have this kind of group but were we to start a white only kind of site similar we would be branded racists

[sexy_leigh]

Originally posted by spacebandit
Originally posted by sexy_leigh

the asians and blacks only fight over stupideness not because of racism,

Originally posted by sexy_leigh
and with what african americans were put through AFTER slavery such as having the kkk lynching black people like it was a bl***y hobby and it still goes on today in the south such as alabama and mississpi i would be bl***y surprised if the african americans such as al sharpton DIDN'T dislike white people!

Earlier you quoted Dr King,
well, after the "stupideness" comment, I would expect him to be turning in his grave when his words are used to make a point by someone who would say such a thing and be serious about it. You appear to be affected with some kind of elitism, would you care to clarify which of the "Asians and Blacks" are stupid and which are not

Secondly - would you care to provide links to the stunning revelation that the KKK are still lynching black people today in the deep south - I'm pretty certain news organisations in the USA and our very own BBC would be happy to follow up such an exclusive revelation...link please.

the last reference to a confirmed KKK lynching I can find is from 1981, yet the perpetrators were caught and executed, so i am sure law enforcement would be grateful to receive the information also.
about the stupidness comment i'm talking about the british blacks and asians which are in gangs and fighting each other over nothing but just to look good in front of their peers so i don't know what that has to do with martin luther king as you clearly say it does!

[Dr43%er]

about the stupidness comment i'm talking about the british blacks and asians which are in gangs and fighting each other over nothing but just to look good in front of their peers so i don't know what that has to do with martin luther king as you clearly say it does!
And why do you think it is groups of blacks and asians? Are you saying it has nothing to do with race what so ever?

[sexy_leigh]

Originally posted by Dr43%er

clearly not alot!!!


And this is based on? Facts? Guess work? Because it's obvious as black people can't be racist?

I am genuinely interested as to where you have got this information from. Can you post a link please.
so your telling me that there has been more white racist killings than black and asians killings in britain i don't think so as for example stephen lawrence who was stabbed by a gang of whites for no bloody reason and have they found the killer/s no cos the police was to busy trying to find out if stephen was a member of a gang etc people who saw the killers running from the crime scene and yet the police haven't done anything about it, all i'm saying is yeah there has been some white racist killings but DEFINETLY not more than black and asians killings!!!

[Dr43%er]

And just what I wanted. At no point have I said that more whites were murdered by blacks. When asked how many you thought had been killed, it was you that said it was "clearly not a lot" I just wanted to know where you got these clear facts from.

As you can/will not give me your source will Home office figures suffice?



"Racial murders: nearly half the victims are white


Home Office release official figures as police claim that political correctness is stifling the debate

Antony Barnett, investigations editor
Sunday October 22, 2006
The Observer

Nearly half of all victims of racially motivated murders in the last decade have been white, according to official figures released by the Home Office.

The data, released under Freedom of Information legislation, shows that between 1995 and 2004 there have been 58 murders where the police consider a racial element played a key part. Out of these, 24 have been where the murder victim was white.

The disclosure will add to the intense debate over multiculturalism in British society. The figures also overturn the assumption that almost all racial murders are committed against ethnic minority victims.

Article continues
Senior police officers have admitted that 'political correctness' and the fear of discussing the issue have meant that race crime against white people goes under-reported. One chief constable has claimed that white, working-class men are more alienated than the Muslim community.

Peter Fahy, the Chief Constable of Cheshire and a spokesman on race issues for the Association of Chief Police Officers, said it was a fact that it was harder to get the media interested where murder victims were young white men.

'The political correctness and reluctance to discuss these things absolutely does play a factor', he said. 'A lot of police officers and other professions feel almost the best thing to do is try and avoid it for fear of being criticised. We probably have all got ourselves into a bit of state about this.

'The difficulty in the police service is that the whole thing is being closed down because we are all afraid of discussing any of it in case we say the wrong thing - and that is not healthy.'

Racial violence in Britain has become the subject of intense scrutiny since the public inquiry in 1999 into the murder of black teenager Stephen Lawrence. Most of the high-profile cases of hate crime have been focused on young blacks, including Damilola Taylor and more recently Anthony Walker, who was murdered with an axe at a Liverpool bus stop by white youths.

Yet these latest official figures give the most complete picture of racially motivated murders in the UK, revealing the situation to be much more complex. In March 2004 a white Scottish teenager, Kriss Donald, was bundled into a car while walking in the Pollokshields area of Glasgow. He was later beaten, stabbed 13 times, and set on fire. British Pakistani Daanish Zahid was found guilty by unanimous verdict of the charges of racially aggravated murder.

In the same year Christopher Yates, 30, a white man, was beaten to death in an assault by a group of drunken Asian youths as he walked home in Barking, east London.

Politicians and the authorities often face difficulty in raising the issue of racial attacks on white victims for fear that far-right extremists will try to exploit such events to stir up racial tensions."

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Sunny_01

Was not saying I agree with it at all Baz, just saying it appears acceptable not worded very well

Examples are
http://www.mosaicbrighton.org.uk/ this is the kind of thing I was on about, it seems its fine to have this kind of group but were we to start a white only kind of site similar we would be branded racists


I didn't say you were agreeing to it, I just wanted an example of what you were referring to. I got it now thanks.

[Sunny_01]

it's okay Baz, I think wording in my first post was confusing

[Ruth]

Originally posted by sexy_leigh
Originally posted by Ruth
Oh, and seeing as how you conveniently ignored my question - do you know how many white people have been murdered in racist attacks, in recent years?
clearly not alot!!!

I'll assume that means that you haven't got a clue then.:rolleyes:

And not only that, you are not interested in finding out either, seeing as you hold the frankly stupid belief that only white people can be racist.

By the way - here's a bit of advice for you: if someone doesn't like you, you needn't assume that it's because of the colour of your skin; it's probably your attitude.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by sexy_leigh
Originally posted by spacebandit
Originally posted by sexy_leigh

the asians and blacks only fight over stupideness not because of racism,

Originally posted by sexy_leigh
and with what african americans were put through AFTER slavery such as having the kkk lynching black people like it was a bl***y hobby and it still goes on today in the south such as alabama and mississpi i would be bl***y surprised if the african americans such as al sharpton DIDN'T dislike white people!

Earlier you quoted Dr King,
well, after the "stupideness" comment, I would expect him to be turning in his grave when his words are used to make a point by someone who would say such a thing and be serious about it. You appear to be affected with some kind of elitism, would you care to clarify which of the "Asians and Blacks" are stupid and which are not

Secondly - would you care to provide links to the stunning revelation that the KKK are still lynching black people today in the deep south - I'm pretty certain news organisations in the USA and our very own BBC would be happy to follow up such an exclusive revelation...link please.

the last reference to a confirmed KKK lynching I can find is from 1981, yet the perpetrators were caught and executed, so i am sure law enforcement would be grateful to receive the information also.
about the stupidness comment i'm talking about the british blacks and asians which are in gangs and fighting each other over nothing but just to look good in front of their peers so i don't know what that has to do with martin luther king as you clearly say it does!

Leigh - are you able to provide ANYTHING to back up what you are saying? I'm guessing not.

[Psylocke]

Great debate

[Lolla]

The racists are all coming out of the closet now...

Maybe we should start a similar thread about Homosexuals and see all the gay-bashers making fools of themselves too.. :rolleyes:

[Dr43%er]

To be honest I can't see why you are saying that. A few of us have differing opinions but I have seen nothing overtly racist. Care to indulge me?

[Lolla]

Here is something to ponder:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/02/15/whites.only.ap/

(edit to add: There's more where that came from)



Also, I do believe there is a post in this thread which states that most race crime is done by whites...

[Lolla]

"but most racism comes from the whites, as you don't see black people or asian people having groups such as the kkk OR the bnp" <--- there is the quote I referred to..

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Sunny_01

Examples are
http://www.mosaicbrighton.org.uk/ this is the kind of thing I was on about, it seems its fine to have this kind of group but were we to start a white only kind of site similar we would be branded racists


I think the thing is, that white people are not a minority. There is racism all over. We can't get away from that fact. This is an example of a group that are an "ethnic minority". It is a support group for this "minority group". White people are the majority in this country. If they were a minority then I am sure they would exist.

I found this quote

"I could possibly understand the need for a white support group in an area populated mostly by people of color. But, to be blunt, in general American society, I wouldn't see the real need for a support group for whites. Though as human beings whites obviously face all of the trials and tribulations that any human experiences, we live in a country controlled and dominated by white people, so a white person's skin color has probably never prevented them from advancing in this society; it's probably never been a source of shame and punishment, and it's probably never been cause to make them feel "different" or "inferior."

I am sure in some areas of the world where white people are a minority it is perfectly acceptable to have a "white" support group.


http://media.www.bsccomment.com/media/storage/paper662/news/2003/10/12/YourComments/In.Reponse.To.equal.Treatment-526158-page2.shtml

[Lolla]

With the amount of interracial relationships nowadays, there will come a day where there are no black people or white people. Everyone will be of mixed origin.

[gracie24]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by Sunny_01

Examples are
http://www.mosaicbrighton.org.uk/ this is the kind of thing I was on about, it seems its fine to have this kind of group but were we to start a white only kind of site similar we would be branded racists


I think the thing is, that white people are not a minority. There is racism all over. We can't get away from that fact. This is an example of a group that are an "ethnic minority". It is a support group for this "minority group". White people are the majority in this country. If they were a minority then I am sure they would exist.

I found this quote

"I could possibly understand the need for a white support group in an area populated mostly by people of color. But, to be blunt, in general American society, I wouldn't see the real need for a support group for whites. Though as human beings whites obviously face all of the trials and tribulations that any human experiences, we live in a country controlled and dominated by white people, so a white person's skin color has probably never prevented them from advancing in this society; it's probably never been a source of shame and punishment, and it's probably never been cause to make them feel "different" or "inferior."

I am sure in some areas of the world where white people are a minority it is perfectly acceptable to have a "white" support group.

I can completely see where you're coming from but there are days such as Black Pride Day and most people find that acceptable and don't even comment on it.
But that fact is that if there was a White Pride Day, the people taking part and organising it would be classed as racist.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by gracie24

I can completely see where you're coming from but there are days such as Black Pride Day and most people find that acceptable and don't even comment on it.
But that fact is that if there was a White Pride Day, the people taking part and organising it would be classed as racist.

I would ask you to look at this link

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=1749334

March 21st is White Pride Day

White people have not been oppressed with slavery and apartheid etc. Black Pride Day celebrates the fact that this no longer happens.

[spitfire]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by gracie24

I can completely see where you're coming from but there are days such as Black Pride Day and most people find that acceptable and don't even comment on it.
But that fact is that if there was a White Pride Day, the people taking part and organising it would be classed as racist.

I would ask you to look at this link

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?p=1749334

March 21st is White Pride Day

White people have not been oppressed with slavery and apartheid etc. Black Pride Day celebrates the fact that this no longer happens. White people have also been oppessed with slavery but a long time before back slavery.

[gracie24]

Well thanks for the link, I wasn't aware that there was a White Pride Day.
It's not publicised over here though is it?

[spitfire]

Originally posted by gracie24
Well thanks for the link, I wasn't aware that there was a White Pride Day.
It's not publicised over here though is it?
To be honest i dont think thats the kind of white pride day you mean,or at least i hope not.Thats a vile nazi site.:mad:

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by spitfire

White people have also been oppessed with slavery but a long time before back slavery.

Can I ask you a question? Black people were enslaved by white men. When there was white slavery, were they enslaved by black men?

Also, have white people ever been excluded like apartheid did to black people?

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by spitfire

To be honest i dont think thats the kind of white pride day you mean,or at least i hope not.Thats a vile nazi site.:mad:


Merely highlighting there actually is a white pride day.

[spitfire]

No,i dont think they were.
Im sure if we look deep enough we would find somewhere,where whites
have been the victims of aparthied.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by spitfire

Im sure if we look deep enough we would find somewhere,where whites
have been the victims of aparthied.

Have a look and let me know.

[Dr43%er]

Mugabe has already been mentioned has he not? Oh, and Lolla. I still don't see anyone being racist. Ill informed maybe.

[Lolla]

Fair comment doc. :wink:

I really don't get the big deal though. Do some white people want a White Day or a White Group. I mean, I'm straight, but I don't feel left out of the Gay Pride rallies.

STRAIGHT PRIDE... *shakes fist* :laugh:

[Dr43%er]

Bi pride day!!! Shakes one fist. Waves the other limply.

[Sunny_01]

I dont think it's that anyone actually "wants" a white pride day, or a white support group as it just causes division, its just that we would be called racist were we to want one, I dont think I am making much sense here though.

My dream:
That we would live in a world, but would settle for country where no group of individuals felt the need to have groups that highlight either the colour of their skin, their sexuality, disability etc... we are after all just people, we all have flesh and blood, feelings that can be hurt.

I dream of a more tolerant, inclusive society, I just want equality to mean exactly that equality for everyone.

[Mrluvaluva]

Originally posted by Sunny_01

My dream:
That we would live in a world, but would settle for country where no group of individuals felt the need to have groups that highlight either the colour of their skin, their sexuality, disability etc... we are after all just people, we all have flesh and blood, feelings that can be hurt.

I dream of a more tolerant, inclusive society, I just want equality to mean exactly that equality for everyone.


It's called an ideal one. :bigsmile:

[Sunny_01]

tell me about it Baz, if only eh :wink:

[gracie24]

Originally posted by spitfire
Originally posted by gracie24
Well thanks for the link, I wasn't aware that there was a White Pride Day.
It's not publicised over here though is it?
To be honest i dont think thats the kind of white pride day you mean,or at least i hope not.Thats a vile nazi site.:mad:

I'm not really aware of what site it was or anything like that or the content of the White Pride Day they support to be perfectly honest.

[Ruth]

Originally posted by Dr43%er
Mugabe has already been mentioned has he not? Oh, and Lolla. I still don't see anyone being racist. Ill informed maybe.

I'd agree. I don't think anyone on here has been racist. I DO think that there have been posts which indicate a belief that only white people can be racist, but that's down to lack of understanding the subject. Ignorance, if you like.

[Sunny_01]

I once went on a racial awareness course and the guy delivering the course actually said "only white people are capable of racism" he said this an hour into the course so I left, he had no tolerence for our outrage and said that is was just the way things are! he would not enter into debate about it.

[spacebandit]

Originally posted by Mrluvaluva
Originally posted by spitfire

White people have also been oppessed with slavery but a long time before back slavery.

Can I ask you a question? Black people were enslaved by white men. When there was white slavery, were they enslaved by black men?

Also, have white people ever been excluded like apartheid did to black people?

I don't undertand the distinction between whether or not the enslavers need to be black for the slavery to cause an greater or lesser amount of continued offence to the descendents of the enslaved...

slavery and exclusion was practiced by Romans, Huns, Goths, Mongols, etc etc,

and when we talk about exclusion do we include the Indian caste system when we talk about apartheid ? - as I never seem to see the two coupled together

But if we are going to start talking about slavery, then I think the Romans and Vikings have a hell to answer for in my part of the world.

or is that now deemed too long ago ?
at what point does too long ago start ?

and can I claim damages from the Norwegian and Italian Governments ?

What politician will jump on that paticular bandwagon ?